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| After Sunday’s loss to the Patriots, Jets quarterback Zach Wilson acted his apparent age by declining to admit that his performance let down the defense, which held New England to just a field goal. It should be easy got a quarterback to take public accountability, especially when it’s warranted. Of course he’s responsible, at least in part, for the failure of the Jets to score three points for the game — and to gain only two net yards in the second half. Even if he believes deep down that it isn’t his fault, it’s important for the quarterback to embrace the scrutiny and not deflect it. The locker room is listening. Did the quarterback take the heat? Or did he point fingers? And it wasn’t just the things Wilson said to reporters. Connor Hughes of SNY.tv reports, citing unnamed sources inside the team’s locker room, that Wilson “was walking around after the game ‘like he isn’t the problem.'” Per Hughes, Wilson’s demeanor “rubbed more than a few the wrong way.” |
If you are Joe Douglas, have to be squirming a bit as GM.
Not sure that the OC is God's Gift either. He is also untested in that position. Seems totally afraid to call plays that stretch the field vertically and also does not let running game develop. Jets have only 1 WR not legitimate 4.4 flat or better. You would never know it.
Media seems to feel he is the only QB to ever botch a short pass. Remember Eli. Worst I have ever seen and looked like he must have dogged the sort pass part of practice.
Not all in on ZW. But the reality is he did not lose this game. He did not win it, but he also did not lose it.
Yeah, my younger brother said the same thing (how my younger brother became a Jets fan is a different story). He's done with the guy
Wasn't like it happened late in the process.
Jeff George and Jamarcus Russell had canon arms
was Wilson a pretty consensus top 10 pick coming out of college?
Yes he was. One more example of the fact that there is no such thing as a sure thing, not matter where you are drafted. These qb's the past few years - Mayfield, Darnold, Rosen, this guy, Lance....all top ten selections. Obviously not all top ten qb's are gonna bust, but the percentages are really not all that great. You never know what you got till the bullets start flying.
I though he was kidding, holy crap it's true...
You know Flacco, a man with playoff and SB experience (and a ring) gives you the best chance to win. You have to make that switch.
This is a dangerous game Saleh is playing.
Wilson is trouble. NY is the wrong market when the press turns. They will get a answer on him shortly imv. This won't be easy to overcome.
He had opportunities to beat NE both times this year , and came up VERY small both times.
And HE has WRs!
Aside from Wilson I think the arrow is pointing up for the Jets, I wouldn't ditch the GM who is finally building something there. With that said he probably gets one more crack at a QB before losing his job.
That is an interesting landing spot for Derek Carr. If the rumors are true he may be released. Jets could use a solid veteran that can give more consistency.
This smacks of the NY sporting press shit stirring over a bad game. Where were they when he threw for 355 against the same team 3 weeks ago?
The kid is 23 and has started 20 games. Statistically, he has improved in Int %, yards per att, air yards per attempt, Rating, QBR, and sacks are way down. It would seem that the needle is pointing up.
The Jets are 5-2 in games he has started this season after going 3-10 last season. It's comical that Flacco, who most of the same sportswriters and a good portion of BBi was laughing at two months ago is now seen as the key to victory.
I think he is starting the rest of the way for the Jets.
This has been said for years and years..
This smacks of the NY sporting press shit stirring over a bad game. Where were they when he threw for 355 against the same team 3 weeks ago?
The kid is 23 and has started 20 games. Statistically, he has improved in Int %, yards per att, air yards per attempt, Rating, QBR, and sacks are way down. It would seem that the needle is pointing up.
Agreed. As frustrating as yesterday's game was for them, the flip side is returning to the Rex Ryan's days of needing two lockerrooms. I'm sure someone in a position of authority will step up to prevent that nonsense.
Wilson is up and down (mostly down) but is young and can still right his ship.
But let's not act like ZW isn't generally playing badly right now.
Aside from Wilson I think the arrow is pointing up for the Jets, I wouldn't ditch the GM who is finally building something there. With that said he probably gets one more crack at a QB before losing his job.
That is an interesting landing spot for Derek Carr. If the rumors are true he may be released. Jets could use a solid veteran that can give more consistency.
He's got some big whiffs up high in draft besides Wilson (Becton, Mims too) and there's question as to his OL approach so far. He's saved himself with some good FA pickups this year and drafting some cheap finds in 2nd-5th rounds.
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And with the right QB they can be contenders for sure. This is a huge problem for them
This has been said for years and years..
100 percent agree with Dave here. Some of you guys know my history with Jets fans that cross over to areas that it shouldn't (like family cliques, etc).
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Aside from Wilson I think the arrow is pointing up for the Jets
I always respect a fellow poster but isn't this always the case? The arrow pointing up? I don't wish or feel like an injury to a young man's career is something to take lightly. However when Wilson went down in the pre-season, the Jete fans were all in a panic mode about their QB. Now Beningo, Ira in Staten Island, Tierney, are all begging for Mike White.
Some Jets fans went over the line with me so please excuse my loathing of that fan base.
He was a better reporter when on Jets beat past few years.
Now he resembles the other SNY hack -- name of Andy Martino. Baseless speculation without sources. VERY COOL JOB TO HAVE!
ZW sucked badly and he has lost the fanbase, that is about all we know.
Thoughts and prayers for any fans who were treated badly by Jets fans in their families as mentioned above. Very sad!!!
Mac Jones is 4-0 vs the Jets and has only thrown 3 TDs in those games. TDs thrown obviously doesn't tell the whole story
The Jets are 5-2 in games he has started this season after going 3-10 last season.
Proving once again that using W-L to evaluate a QB is inane.
Heck, Brett Favre signs with the Jets after throwing for over 4000 yards the previous season. His Jets campaign is a quarterbacking fiasco and he throws 22 picks. The Jets release him and he moves to the Vikings where the next season he again throws for over 4000 yards in a 33TD/ 7 INT campaign. Just putting on the Jets uniform seems to have changed Favre into a failed QB.
It’s comical and unreal at the same time.
Jets tried with Favre. Why not try again.
You can ignore it all you want, but arm talent matters. It's the great differentiator for QBs. Why do you think, for example, KC's offense become this historically prolific after Mahomes took the baton from Alex Smith?
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I couldn't care less about those traits. There is so much more to the being a QB than just the arm strength that people go nuts about. I have a good arm too. Big fucking deal.
You can ignore it all you want, but arm talent matters. It's the great differentiator for QBs. Why do you think, for example, KC's offense become this historically prolific after Mahomes took the baton from Alex Smith?
Mahomes has a great arm, your point? He’s also insanely smart, knows how to read defenses and tough as a boot.
If mahomes wasn’t smart and cerebral and dedicated he’s a backup by now.
They all have good arms. It’s literally the easiest fucking thing to scout. Why are so nany laser armed qbs out of the league by 30? Cmon.
Arm talent is different than arm strength. I'm not talking about being able to throw the ball 80 yards. I'm talking about the ability to throw from different arm angles, changing velocity, throwing on the run (either way), throwing off balance when you can't get to your fundamentals, etc.
As someone else said, it appears at lot of time he thinks he is on the playground
Even if it is not all his fault the QB takes the heat - that is the reality of the NFL. This is a bad sign for them
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You need a certain amount of it to be functional as a QB at the pro level, but beyond that, it simply isn't the case that more is better. Peyton Manning and Joe Montana didn't have arm strength that blew you away, but they're still in the Hall Of Fame.
Arm talent is different than arm strength. I'm not talking about being able to throw the ball 80 yards. I'm talking about the ability to throw from different arm angles, changing velocity, throwing on the run (either way), throwing off balance when you can't get to your fundamentals, etc.
Arm talent is also an overvalued trait. Again, see Peyton, Brady, most any relevant QB you can think of - they all played with rock-solid fundamentals. Guys like Mahomes are the exception.
And in fact, like a super athletic running QB, having too much arm talent can work against you. When a guy's convinced he's able to accomplish anything with his legs or his arm, he's liable to try anything with his legs or his arm. And it winds up hampering his development in other areas.
I am late to this thread - but yes, this is why DJ is going to get serious offers in free agency. There are lots of teams - I counted over 12 last time I did this - that have a pretty nice offense and just need a serviceable QB. The Jets could easily win the AFC East this year if they had just a very average QB like a Heinicke. I would put DJ above 'average' although not by much.
I believe to be a great QB in the NFL, you can't point to any single attribute, but a confluence of attributes.
But the most important ones are being a quick processor of information, football smarts and instincts, and a stellar work ethic, which works in concert with the first two.
And yes, arm talent really, really helps because the arm talent combined with the attributes above gives you the ability to make special things happen.
Someone mentioned Alex Smith, who didn't have the arm talent. What he had was a lot of the other stuff, work ethic, football smarts, and ability to process and execute quickly. But because the arm talent is limited, he couldn't make the plays that a Mahomes, Herbert, and Josh Allen can make.
And arm strength is one ingredient to arm talent. Being able to make a throw off-schedule, off-platform, but with accuracy, velocity, and/or touch, from different angles and ability to do so using a large part of the field, that's arm talent.
But for that to be useful, you need to have the superior mental preparation, make the right reads, manipulate the defense at times, and execute making the right decisions with where to go with the football based on pre-snap information and post-snap information, without having to think about it. Instincts.
Drew Brees was one of the best ever despite having a less than elite arm, because he was a superior decision maker and could make the right decision and put the ball on his man accurately, but it was the speed with which he could process all this information and execute his decision that made him great.
Same goes for Brady and Peyton. All of these things have to be combined in a QB to be special.
DJ might not have the superior arm strength, but is a good student of the game, has the preparation and knowledge he needs. The one thing I question is the speed at which he processes post-snap information to be decisive and make the right decisions. And this is why I think we haven't seen the enough evidence that he can be a dynamic passer. And to be fair, the supporting cast hasn't been there and that is certainly a limiting factor.
But I also think he's left a lot of opportunities gone by the wayside, where plays have been there, he just hasn't seen it quick enough to be able to execute the big plays downfield often enough.
It's a tough criticism, because he has a lot of the other aforementioned ingredients to be great, particularly in his study and preparation.
If he can learn to do everything he's doing now but a half-second quicker, and see the downfield opportunities and execute, I think he could yet develop into a great QB.
None of this is easy. And it's fair to question if this is a case of you have it or you don't...which goes back to those football instincts.
Pat Mahomes throws with great touch. He throws with great placement and timing. He throws with exceptional accuracy. He throws a very catchable ball. It's not true that it is all about "throws the ball hard" and the rest is mental. And I would submit that there are very few QBs who possess all the following arm traits (and there aren't many of them) who have failed:
Throw the ball hard and far.
Throw the ball with great accuracy.
Throw with great placement and timing.
Throw a very catchable ball.
There are very few who have all these traits. And the Ryan Leaf's and JaMarcus Russell's, who have all been huge busts, didn't in fact have enough arm talent to make it in the NFL, when you look at the totality of qualities that make up arm traits connected to throwing a football.
He bails backwards and turns is back to the LOS for a brief period time - a recipe for disaster
He tries to make every throw look like a trick shot. He has no fundamentals and rarely throws the ball with "proper technique"
Then throw his immaturity and inability to handle the media on top of that and he is a DISASTER
They had a stat that since 2000 there have been something like 105 QBs in the NFL that have attempted over 500 pass attempts. Wilson ranks 98th amongst those QBs in EPA per drop back.
Absolutely ABYSMAL
The position ultimately comes down to making and executing decisions under pressure. This is done in most cases a little under 3 seconds. Close your eyes and count to three Mississippi. Then think of all the things you may have to deal with within that time. It becomes clearer why so many never reach a acceptable level who have played the position.
You can understand why the talent around the QB matters once you get how hard it is.