NGT: Zach Wilson losing the locker room

not good

has had real weapons and seems to be worse this year than last year, and he was bad last year.

Between the personalities of Salah (calling the offense dogshit) and Wilson, I hope the implode

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Moore and Mims were already pissed. I'm sure Garrett Wilson isn't pleased as well. How does an NFL team get 2 yards in the second half? That's almost impossible.

I've ever seen. Was watching yesterday and he attempted to throw a short screen to the left to the WR and threw a bullet over his head and out of bounds. He has 0 feel for the game and looks completely lost. Unless he shows a huge uptick in performance the last 2 months I can absolutely see the Jets making a big move at QB in the offseason.

He does have some physical talent and can look good for individual plays. But his small stuff QB skills - mental and stuff like pocket movement - are just horrendous

on his craft at all. I get the sense he just wants to play "backyard" football instead of structured, disciplined football. And top of that, he really is an arrogant jackass who seems to have very little self-awareness.

I get the sense Salah is following marching orders from Woody to Chris to continue playing Wilson, too. And if he had his druthers, he'd take ZW out right now.

They do well when he doesn't turn over the ball and make boneheaded miscues.

but I've never seen one that looks so much like a high school QB playing on an NFL field. I've yet to see all the potential that guys like Chris Simms and Dan Orlovsky see in him.

In comment 15916644 bw in dc said:

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on his craft at all. I get the sense he just wants to play "backyard" football instead of structured, disciplined football. And top of that, he really is an arrogant jackass who seems to have very little self-awareness. I get the sense Salah is following marching orders from Woody to Chris to continue playing Wilson, too. And if he had his druthers, he'd take ZW out right now.

Not a good look for Douglas-Saleh botching this pick.

In comment 15916649 bceagle05 said:

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but I've never seen one that looks so much like a high school QB playing on an NFL field. I've yet to see all the potential that guys like Chris Simms and Dan Orlovsky see in him.

He occasionally flashes an electric arm, and occasionally uses it off platform. That's what they see. Nothing else.

His career is in jeopardy if he doesn't get his act together. The Jets should go get a QB this offseason at this point based on his play. Jerry Glanville was right about what "N.F.L." stands for years ago when he cussed out that official.


Old Time Football 🏈 @Ol_TimeFootball - Jerry Glanville “What is he from College? I hate College guys” “This is the NFL, which stands for Not For Long when you make calls like that, I’ll be packing groceries” 😂😂😂 - ( New Window )

In comment 15916638 Jerry in_DC said:

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He does have some physical talent and can look good for individual plays. But his small stuff QB skills - mental and stuff like pocket movement - are just horrendous

Wilson is a very gifted thrower. But, JFC, he made the Pats D yesterday look like the 2000 Ravens. The Pats D is certainly good, but not that good.

In the leadup to the draft. Shouldn't have been taken that high. But they have no choice but to stick with him for the rest of the season. They need to see whether they should move on.

these QB picks right.

was Wilson a pretty consensus top 10 pick coming out of college?

can set him straight

In comment 15916684 jeff57 said:

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In the leadup to the draft. Shouldn't have been taken that high. But they have no choice but to stick with him for the rest of the season. They need to see whether they should move on.

Seemed like an example of the "fighting the last war" policy. All that talk about Wilson's off platform throws was piquing interest based on Mahomes dazzling. There's such a big difference doing that for BYU vs the pros.

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these QB picks right. was Wilson a pretty consensus top 10 pick coming out of college?

Its easy when you simply take the better prospect and dont oveethink it based on a workout in shorts

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can set him straight

get his arrow pointing up you mean..

I have never seen a more erratic passer in my life. He misses easy completions and he misses BIG. He is erratic at every level, holds the ball, runs backwards into sacks. He is the lowest rated QB in NFL. On top of that he is an entitled prick that thinks he is doing great because Patriots dropped his interceptions yesterday.

Saleh needs to sit him and tell him he needs to win the job. Of course that will never happen. Jets gonna Jet......

but this is precisely why people have to be careful with this notion that we can just draft a QB high and dump Jones.

It’s not easy to find good QB’s and Jones has made a ton of progress this year.

Just think how good the Jets would be with Jones at the helm.

the fascination with Wilson as a QB prospect.

If you are Joe Douglas, have to be squirming a bit as GM.

Because of some injuries and issues both years, has barely started one full season worth of games. All or most scouting reports of play at BYU noted he would need at least a year.

Not sure that the OC is God's Gift either. He is also untested in that position. Seems totally afraid to call plays that stretch the field vertically and also does not let running game develop. Jets have only 1 WR not legitimate 4.4 flat or better. You would never know it.

Media seems to feel he is the only QB to ever botch a short pass. Remember Eli. Worst I have ever seen and looked like he must have dogged the sort pass part of practice.

Not all in on ZW. But the reality is he did not lose this game. He did not win it, but he also did not lose it.

my older bro is a die hard Jets fan. talked to him after the game yesterday and he basically said the fan base is done with Wilson after those comments.

Jets need a QB

In comment 15916788 ryanmkeane said:

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my older bro is a die hard Jets fan. talked to him after the game yesterday and he basically said the fan base is done with Wilson after those comments.

Yeah, my younger brother said the same thing (how my younger brother became a Jets fan is a different story). He's done with the guy

where you wonder how the guy was considered a top 5 selection,and it was rumored for a long time.

Wasn't like it happened late in the process.

And with the right QB they can be contenders for sure. This is a huge problem for them

I couldn't care less about those traits. There is so much more to the being a QB than just the arm strength that people go nuts about. I have a good arm too. Big fucking deal.

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I couldn't care less about those traits. There is so much more to the being a QB than just the arm strength that people go nuts about. I have a good arm too. Big fucking deal.

Jeff George and Jamarcus Russell had canon arms

In comment 15916685 LG in NYC said:

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these QB picks right. was Wilson a pretty consensus top 10 pick coming out of college?

Yes he was. One more example of the fact that there is no such thing as a sure thing, not matter where you are drafted. These qb's the past few years - Mayfield, Darnold, Rosen, this guy, Lance....all top ten selections. Obviously not all top ten qb's are gonna bust, but the percentages are really not all that great. You never know what you got till the bullets start flying.

"Who leads my team in TD passes? Flacco"

I though he was kidding, holy crap it's true...

You're 6-4, nobody in the division is better than 7-3. You have a very good defense.

You know Flacco, a man with playoff and SB experience (and a ring) gives you the best chance to win. You have to make that switch.

This is a dangerous game Saleh is playing.

but the position has always been so much more than that. There is a reason why some guys lacking in the physical stuff and yet manage to stay in the league for 10 plus years.

Wilson is trouble. NY is the wrong market when the press turns. They will get a answer on him shortly imv. This won't be easy to overcome.

he’s had a freshman Jinx preceding his sophomore Jinx.
He had opportunities to beat NE both times this year , and came up VERY small both times.
And HE has WRs!

Fans always say missing on a top 5 pick is a fireable offense, which I largely agree with. But he has drafted well that pick aside. The Jets have a solid young roster.

Aside from Wilson I think the arrow is pointing up for the Jets, I wouldn't ditch the GM who is finally building something there. With that said he probably gets one more crack at a QB before losing his job.

That is an interesting landing spot for Derek Carr. If the rumors are true he may be released. Jets could use a solid veteran that can give more consistency.

next to the word "irony" in the dictionary.

This smacks of the NY sporting press shit stirring over a bad game. Where were they when he threw for 355 against the same team 3 weeks ago?

The kid is 23 and has started 20 games. Statistically, he has improved in Int %, yards per att, air yards per attempt, Rating, QBR, and sacks are way down. It would seem that the needle is pointing up.

The Jets are 5-2 in games he has started this season after going 3-10 last season. It's comical that Flacco, who most of the same sportswriters and a good portion of BBi was laughing at two months ago is now seen as the key to victory.

I think he is starting the rest of the way for the Jets.

In comment 15916808 Bleedblue10 said:

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And with the right QB they can be contenders for sure. This is a huge problem for them

This has been said for years and years..

In comment 15917002 HomerJones45 said:

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next to the word "irony" in the dictionary. This smacks of the NY sporting press shit stirring over a bad game. Where were they when he threw for 355 against the same team 3 weeks ago? The kid is 23 and has started 20 games. Statistically, he has improved in Int %, yards per att, air yards per attempt, Rating, QBR, and sacks are way down. It would seem that the needle is pointing up.

Agreed. As frustrating as yesterday's game was for them, the flip side is returning to the Rex Ryan's days of needing two lockerrooms. I'm sure someone in a position of authority will step up to prevent that nonsense.

frustrates, but his lack of accountability is not going to go over well in the locker room. Someone is going to have to have a word with him or he won’t be much longer for this league.

Just asking. Maybe he simply doesn't have it upstairs.

and that is why they are winning this year when they weren't last year.

Wilson is up and down (mostly down) but is young and can still right his ship.

But let's not act like ZW isn't generally playing badly right now.

In comment 15916922 GiantGrit said:

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Fans always say missing on a top 5 pick is a fireable offense, which I largely agree with. But he has drafted well that pick aside. The Jets have a solid young roster. Aside from Wilson I think the arrow is pointing up for the Jets, I wouldn't ditch the GM who is finally building something there. With that said he probably gets one more crack at a QB before losing his job. That is an interesting landing spot for Derek Carr. If the rumors are true he may be released. Jets could use a solid veteran that can give more consistency.

He's got some big whiffs up high in draft besides Wilson (Becton, Mims too) and there's question as to his OL approach so far. He's saved himself with some good FA pickups this year and drafting some cheap finds in 2nd-5th rounds.

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In comment 15916808 Bleedblue10 said: Quote: And with the right QB they can be contenders for sure. This is a huge problem for them This has been said for years and years..

100 percent agree with Dave here. Some of you guys know my history with Jets fans that cross over to areas that it shouldn't (like family cliques, etc).

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Aside from Wilson I think the arrow is pointing up for the Jets

I always respect a fellow poster but isn't this always the case? The arrow pointing up? I don't wish or feel like an injury to a young man's career is something to take lightly. However when Wilson went down in the pre-season, the Jete fans were all in a panic mode about their QB. Now Beningo, Ira in Staten Island, Tierney, are all begging for Mike White.

Some Jets fans went over the line with me so please excuse my loathing of that fan base.

especially since he started at SNY covering NYG and NYJ and gets his little TV spots.
He was a better reporter when on Jets beat past few years.
Now he resembles the other SNY hack -- name of Andy Martino. Baseless speculation without sources. VERY COOL JOB TO HAVE!

ZW sucked badly and he has lost the fanbase, that is about all we know.

Thoughts and prayers for any fans who were treated badly by Jets fans in their families as mentioned above. Very sad!!!

Top 5 QB and they will be a playoff caliber team. Makes sense but obviously it doesn’t always work that way.

But I appreciate the support.

sounds like ZW headed to the bench.