the fact daboll and the team put him back there to return punts in the first place or he doubled down on it and said he had no regrets.
LOL like that was such a bonehead decision.
Oh please. If you want to blame someone, blame Richie James for losing his job bc of not holding onto the ball. If Deion Sanders returned punts in the 90s era of football, Adoree' can as well today.
the fact daboll and the team put him back there to return punts in the first place or he doubled down on it and said he had no regrets.
LOL like that was such a bonehead decision.
Oh please. If you want to blame someone, blame Richie James for losing his job bc of not holding onto the ball. If Deion Sanders returned punts in the 90s era of football, Adoree' can as well today.
You can't predict these things will happen.
You can predict the risk will increase that an injury will happen
probably because brightwell can't catch them. Punt returning requires so much additional skill and practice than kick returns. And I know this because I spent 3.5 years in HS and 2 years in a D1 college program returning punts.
everyone likes to make it out like its a simple transition but its not
probably because brightwell can't catch them. Punt returning requires so much additional skill and practice than kick returns. And I know this because I spent 3.5 years in HS and 2 years in a D1 college program returning punts.
everyone likes to make it out like its a simple transition but its not
You make decisions based on who is the best guy at the time to do the job. Not make decisions based on being scared bc of injuries.
You don't put arguably you most important defensive player back to return punts. Just because there is one outlier in Deion Sanders who also played offense you still don't do that.
Adoree Jackson has little to no upside returning punts he isn't a break tackle juke guy like Deion Sanders.
the fact daboll and the team put him back there to return punts in the first place or he doubled down on it and said he had no regrets.
LOL like that was such a bonehead decision.
Oh please. If you want to blame someone, blame Richie James for losing his job bc of not holding onto the ball. If Deion Sanders returned punts in the 90s era of football, Adoree' can as well today.
You can't predict these things will happen.
Then you cut Richie James and find a guy that can return punts that isn't so valuable to the defense. I like Daboll...justifying Adoree back there is ridiculous. Anyway you slice it it was a stupid decision.
Oh please. If you want to blame someone, blame Richie James for losing his job bc of not holding onto the ball. If Deion Sanders returned punts in the 90s era of football, Adoree' can as well today.
You can't predict these things will happen.
You can predict the risk will increase that an injury will happen
I don't remember, did Deion return punts on a regular basis or just in some big games, like playoffs?
I do largely blame Richie James. If he had done his job and not fumbled 3 punts, Adoree never would've been doing the job.
I'm usually not the type to second guess a coaching staff, especially one that seems to be doing a good job, but I agreed with probably a large majority of Giant fans who were concerned about this. And here we are.
At this point, can't we just fair catch every punt and was there really no one other than our #1 CB who could do that?
nym172: I think you miscounted the active players.
He's under contract 1 more year. Playoffs will be long out of sight by the time he's ready. No use in risking further injury in a lost season when we get him back in 2023.
you would think with this franchise history with Sehorn...we should have known better.
Yep, crossed many of our minds (Sehorn.) As another said, Jackson isn't a super fake you out, juke type of return guy. He has speed but in the NFL you need the former too.
I wonder if all of our injuries are a combination of the turf and the over achieving.
Also, I wonder when a player in in an interview is going to say why he chose team A over B and he says "TBH it was all the injuries they been havin on that turf."
the fact daboll and the team put him back there to return punts in the first place or he doubled down on it and said he had no regrets.
LOL like that was such a bonehead decision.
Oh please. If you want to blame someone, blame Richie James for losing his job bc of not holding onto the ball. If Deion Sanders returned punts in the 90s era of football, Adoree' can as well today.
You can't predict these things will happen.
You can predict the risk will increase that an injury will happen
Problem is Jackson has not returned punts in a while and they just stuck him back there.On the first return, you could tell he was out of practice. He sort of ran in a circle, which is obviously not what you want your punt returner to do.
He was deemed as the best person to return punts and it's a position that directly cost us a game. He's not the first starter to return kicks, nor is he the best. He didn't even get hurt because of the return itself, but rather the cheap shot late hit that wasn't flagged. Incidentally, nobody seems to have a problem with other starters on this team playing ST.
That's the equation. He could be twice as good as the next option, but that has so little affect on the game.
QBs aren't considered for kickoffs, backup linebackers are, regardless of skills.
That's a poor example as most QBs aren't offering anything over anyone else on the kickoff or return teams.
No affect on games? A game yesterday was won on a PR. We've been beaten more than once by a PR. It makes a difference. It's funny, nobody on SF, ATL, or DAL ever complained about Deion returning punts. Same goes for other stars. I'm not saying Jackson is in that class, but he was a very good PR in college and decent at Tenn.
you would think with this franchise history with Sehorn...we should have known better.
this is a pussy mindset. Maybe the Commanders shouldn't ever let a qb drop back to pass cuz theisman broke his leg... happened again with alex smith too! how dare they!
with Belichick who often used WR's to also field punts.
I think it is fair to question BD on Jackson and the impact losing him on a punt return versus the value added. The D changes dramatically without him. That should have been a big factor imv. Now if they had quality depth at corner......
you would think with this franchise history with Sehorn...we should have known better.
this is a pussy mindset. Maybe the Commanders shouldn't ever let a qb drop back to pass cuz theisman broke his leg... happened again with alex smith too! how dare they!
Your analogy with Washington QBs is just plain wrong.
you would think with this franchise history with Sehorn...we should have known better.
this is a pussy mindset. Maybe the Commanders shouldn't ever let a qb drop back to pass cuz theisman broke his leg... happened again with alex smith too! how dare they!
this is a ridiculous analogy. Why don't the vikings put Justin Jefferson back on punts...he has the best hands on the team. The giants rarely at all put Odell back there in his prime unless it was a game altering situation.
Why do teams not put there star RB back on KR???? Why don't the Giants put Barkley back there?
Because you don't put added risk of injury on your top tier players because guys are running full speed to hit you. Too much can go wrong.
Putting a guy that is too important to the defense to return punts is stupid. Defending the move is even more stupid.
you would think with this franchise history with Sehorn...we should have known better.
this is a pussy mindset. Maybe the Commanders shouldn't ever let a qb drop back to pass cuz theisman broke his leg... happened again with alex smith too! how dare they!
this is a ridiculous analogy. Why don't the vikings put Justin Jefferson back on punts...he has the best hands on the team. The giants rarely at all put Odell back there in his prime unless it was a game altering situation.
Why do teams not put there star RB back on KR???? Why don't the Giants put Barkley back there?
Because you don't put added risk of injury on your top tier players because guys are running full speed to hit you. Too much can go wrong.
Putting a guy that is too important to the defense to return punts is stupid. Defending the move is even more stupid.
For starters, you dont catch punts with your hands like a wide receiver does. So justin jefferson having the best hands on the team means nothing for punts.
Odell returned 45 punts while he was with the giants. I wouldn't call that special occasions, thats a decent amount. He was also a PR in college.
And running backs are not typically good kick returners tbh. Typically KR are the faster guys on the team which usually is not running backs, typicallys its db's or wr's. RB's tend to be thicker in the thigh area and that helps them absorb constant punishment but makes it harder to break a kr td
Also I guess Deion wasn't a top tier player, guess deshaun jackson sucks too. Lots of top PR's of all time are top tier players. Injurys happen, its a violent sport. Stop being a pussy about it
You make decisions based on who is the best guy at the time to do the job. Not make decisions based on being scared bc of injuries.
You don't put arguably you most important defensive player back to return punts. Just because there is one outlier in Deion Sanders who also played offense you still don't do that.
Adoree Jackson has little to no upside returning punts he isn't a break tackle juke guy like Deion Sanders.
you would think with this franchise history with Sehorn...we should have known better.
this is a pussy mindset. Maybe the Commanders shouldn't ever let a qb drop back to pass cuz theisman broke his leg... happened again with alex smith too! how dare they!
this is a ridiculous analogy. Why don't the vikings put Justin Jefferson back on punts...he has the best hands on the team. The giants rarely at all put Odell back there in his prime unless it was a game altering situation.
Why do teams not put there star RB back on KR???? Why don't the Giants put Barkley back there?
Because you don't put added risk of injury on your top tier players because guys are running full speed to hit you. Too much can go wrong.
Putting a guy that is too important to the defense to return punts is stupid. Defending the move is even more stupid.
For starters, you dont catch punts with your hands like a wide receiver does. So justin jefferson having the best hands on the team means nothing for punts.
Odell returned 45 punts while he was with the giants. I wouldn't call that special occasions, thats a decent amount. He was also a PR in college.
And running backs are not typically good kick returners tbh. Typically KR are the faster guys on the team which usually is not running backs, typicallys its db's or wr's. RB's tend to be thicker in the thigh area and that helps them absorb constant punishment but makes it harder to break a kr td
Also I guess Deion wasn't a top tier player, guess deshaun jackson sucks too. Lots of top PR's of all time are top tier players. Injurys happen, its a violent sport. Stop being a pussy about it
How about stop name calling and have an actual discussion without being a pretentious douche bag. I know that seems to be a difficult task for you.
Adoree Jackson is not Deion Sanders and he is not Desaun Jackson...they are back there because they are a legit chance to break a PR at anypoint. That is not Adoree Jackson.
There is a reason Adoree didn't start the season as the PR and hasn't been a PR in the NFL. Because he shouldn't be back there. The risk doesn't outweight the reward and the only reason he is back there because Richie James fumbled twice so Daboll panic'd and forced Adoree into a role he shouldn't be doing and paid for it an now AJ is basically out for the season.
there are risks like going for it on 4th or a 2pt conversion...and then there is stupid.
This was STUPID!
He's such a stupid coach that he has millions of dollars. How about you?
What a stupid argument by you which isn't surprising. So because they are a professional coach they can't be questioned with any decision?
So no coach in history can be questioned because he is paid a lot of money to do it? Were you a Joe Judge defender because he was a coach that made a lot of money.
And before you go down some stupid road saying do I think Daboll is JJ? He isn't and he has been a very good coach for us.
He made a bad decision...hopefully he learns from it.
you would think with this franchise history with Sehorn...we should have known better.
this is a pussy mindset. Maybe the Commanders shouldn't ever let a qb drop back to pass cuz theisman broke his leg... happened again with alex smith too! how dare they!
this is a ridiculous analogy. Why don't the vikings put Justin Jefferson back on punts...he has the best hands on the team. The giants rarely at all put Odell back there in his prime unless it was a game altering situation.
Why do teams not put there star RB back on KR???? Why don't the Giants put Barkley back there?
Because you don't put added risk of injury on your top tier players because guys are running full speed to hit you. Too much can go wrong.
Putting a guy that is too important to the defense to return punts is stupid. Defending the move is even more stupid.
For starters, you dont catch punts with your hands like a wide receiver does. So justin jefferson having the best hands on the team means nothing for punts.
Odell returned 45 punts while he was with the giants. I wouldn't call that special occasions, thats a decent amount. He was also a PR in college.
And running backs are not typically good kick returners tbh. Typically KR are the faster guys on the team which usually is not running backs, typicallys its db's or wr's. RB's tend to be thicker in the thigh area and that helps them absorb constant punishment but makes it harder to break a kr td
Also I guess Deion wasn't a top tier player, guess deshaun jackson sucks too. Lots of top PR's of all time are top tier players. Injurys happen, its a violent sport. Stop being a pussy about it
How about stop name calling and have an actual discussion without being a pretentious douche bag. I know that seems to be a difficult task for you.
Adoree Jackson is not Deion Sanders and he is not Desaun Jackson...they are back there because they are a legit chance to break a PR at anypoint. That is not Adoree Jackson.
There is a reason Adoree didn't start the season as the PR and hasn't been a PR in the NFL. Because he shouldn't be back there. The risk doesn't outweight the reward and the only reason he is back there because Richie James fumbled twice so Daboll panic'd and forced Adoree into a role he shouldn't be doing and paid for it an now AJ is basically out for the season.
I never called you a name, I said stop being a pussy which is directed towards your mentality. You play and coach to win.
youtube says hi, here's a punt return td from college
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASUtDsdZ73U
and here's a kick return for good measure
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRhLzktxsP8
the guys is a very good returner, he stopped returning in TN because a couple of fumbles but shit happens. Punt returning requires a level of instinct and ability to judge a ball in the air. When i got to college at a D1 program on day 1 within the first coach talk, they ask anyone who ever returned punts to raise their hand. Every single person who did it in HS, was on the punt practice squad in college. It's not a skill that you just "do". I would guess everyone they had try out for punt returns after RJ's fumbled 2, returned punts in college.
I’m sure if Richie James fumbled again yesterday returning a punt you’d have people up in arms that Daboll should do something else.
It’s football. It happens. The whining is brutal today. These same fans whining at the same people who said this was 4 win team and a 3 year rebuild. Can’t make it up.
RE: If you guys recall, we also had OBJ returning punts
on occasion. He was our #1 WR and it was a big risk with him too because we also didn’t have much at WR after him.
it also wasn't smart then. Its a risk/reward thing. I don't think any big time player should be playing on specials and mostly KR and PR since you are getting hit.
Sure you need to have some starters on kick coverage or punt coverage but there is a difference tackling someone and getting tackled.
putting Jackson on punt return. Risk - reward way off.
Idea is to win games. Having a return guy that can’t hang onto the ball puts that at risk. The risk reward was warranted in this coaches opinion, I agree
Giants have a punt returner on the practice squad too
He's under contract 1 more year. Playoffs will be long out of sight by the time he's ready. No use in risking further injury in a lost season when we get him back in 2023.
7-3. Lost season lol, some of you guys are hard to figure. There is still a very realistic path to the play off regardless of what happens to n Dallas.
Lost season, brother, you can’t make this stuff up.
RE: Giants have a punt returner on the practice squad too
Kalil Pimpleton. Guy is 5'8 dynamo from Central Michigan that went undrafted in 2022. He took a few to the house last year.
He was also a great wide receiver in college. He should have been in there. Kalil Pimpleton || Central Michigan Chippewas Wide Receiver || 2021 Junior Highlights - ( New Window )
maybe its the extra 250k in salary for the rest of the season they didn't want to pay someone. I know it seems short sighted, but if you expect the worst possible outcome every time, its difficult to coach without fear. And the giants are already so close to the cap they likely felt they could get by with someone already on the active roster
putting Jackson on punt return. Risk - reward way off.
Idea is to win games. Having a return guy that can’t hang onto the ball puts that at risk. The risk reward was warranted in this coaches opinion, I agree
That’s why some of us have said that, if the team wants to tempt fate putting Adoree Jackson out there on punt returns, then have him fair catch the ball.
...even think I saw a thread about not putting anyone back on punts LOL
Given Jackson's history as a punt returner AND given the fact we basically lost a game on giving it away on specials I have zero problem with him returning punts.
Unfortunately injuries happen.
I know it was a different time, but I recall LT playing special teams.
LOL like that was such a bonehead decision.
This is going to be a rough one.
Still, he never should have been back there. I hope they've learned their lesson.
Someone said this last year, the year before, the year before that....
Brutal!!!
LOL like that was such a bonehead decision.
Oh please. If you want to blame someone, blame Richie James for losing his job bc of not holding onto the ball. If Deion Sanders returned punts in the 90s era of football, Adoree' can as well today.
You can't predict these things will happen.
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the fact daboll and the team put him back there to return punts in the first place or he doubled down on it and said he had no regrets.
LOL like that was such a bonehead decision.
Oh please. If you want to blame someone, blame Richie James for losing his job bc of not holding onto the ball. If Deion Sanders returned punts in the 90s era of football, Adoree' can as well today.
You can't predict these things will happen.
You can predict the risk will increase that an injury will happen
You make decisions based on who is the best guy at the time to do the job. Not make decisions based on being scared bc of injuries.
probably because brightwell can't catch them. Punt returning requires so much additional skill and practice than kick returns. And I know this because I spent 3.5 years in HS and 2 years in a D1 college program returning punts.
everyone likes to make it out like its a simple transition but its not
That is a miracle, not a rule.
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Someone said this last year, the year before, the year before that....
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probably because brightwell can't catch them. Punt returning requires so much additional skill and practice than kick returns. And I know this because I spent 3.5 years in HS and 2 years in a D1 college program returning punts.
everyone likes to make it out like its a simple transition but its not
I guess that's fair.
You make decisions based on who is the best guy at the time to do the job. Not make decisions based on being scared bc of injuries.
You don't put arguably you most important defensive player back to return punts. Just because there is one outlier in Deion Sanders who also played offense you still don't do that.
Adoree Jackson has little to no upside returning punts he isn't a break tackle juke guy like Deion Sanders.
Still, he never should have been back there. I hope they've learned their lesson.
I think he was already hurt on the tackle before the cheap shot to his back as he was on the ground.
As for the lack of strategic wisdom, the board first-guessed this one.
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the fact daboll and the team put him back there to return punts in the first place or he doubled down on it and said he had no regrets.
LOL like that was such a bonehead decision.
Oh please. If you want to blame someone, blame Richie James for losing his job bc of not holding onto the ball. If Deion Sanders returned punts in the 90s era of football, Adoree' can as well today.
You can't predict these things will happen.
Then you cut Richie James and find a guy that can return punts that isn't so valuable to the defense. I like Daboll...justifying Adoree back there is ridiculous. Anyway you slice it it was a stupid decision.
Oh please. If you want to blame someone, blame Richie James for losing his job bc of not holding onto the ball. If Deion Sanders returned punts in the 90s era of football, Adoree' can as well today.
You can't predict these things will happen.
You can predict the risk will increase that an injury will happen
I don't remember, did Deion return punts on a regular basis or just in some big games, like playoffs?
I do largely blame Richie James. If he had done his job and not fumbled 3 punts, Adoree never would've been doing the job.
I'm usually not the type to second guess a coaching staff, especially one that seems to be doing a good job, but I agreed with probably a large majority of Giant fans who were concerned about this. And here we are.
At this point, can't we just fair catch every punt and was there really no one other than our #1 CB who could do that?
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Just plain dumb
Just plain dumb
you would think with this franchise history with Sehorn...we should have known better.
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you would think with this franchise history with Sehorn...we should have known better.
Yep, crossed many of our minds (Sehorn.) As another said, Jackson isn't a super fake you out, juke type of return guy. He has speed but in the NFL you need the former too.
I wonder if all of our injuries are a combination of the turf and the over achieving.
Also, I wonder when a player in in an interview is going to say why he chose team A over B and he says "TBH it was all the injuries they been havin on that turf."
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the fact daboll and the team put him back there to return punts in the first place or he doubled down on it and said he had no regrets.
LOL like that was such a bonehead decision.
Oh please. If you want to blame someone, blame Richie James for losing his job bc of not holding onto the ball. If Deion Sanders returned punts in the 90s era of football, Adoree' can as well today.
You can't predict these things will happen.
You can predict the risk will increase that an injury will happen
Problem is Jackson has not returned punts in a while and they just stuck him back there.On the first return, you could tell he was out of practice. He sort of ran in a circle, which is obviously not what you want your punt returner to do.
You make decisions based on who is the best guy at the time to do the job. Not make decisions based on being scared bc of injuries.
Yup. And don’t tell anyone that he returned kicks in Tennessee too, over 75 times in fact.
QBs aren't considered for kickoffs, backup linebackers are, regardless of skills.
QBs aren't considered for kickoffs, backup linebackers are, regardless of skills.
No affect on games? A game yesterday was won on a PR. We've been beaten more than once by a PR. It makes a difference. It's funny, nobody on SF, ATL, or DAL ever complained about Deion returning punts. Same goes for other stars. I'm not saying Jackson is in that class, but he was a very good PR in college and decent at Tenn.
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Just plain dumb
you would think with this franchise history with Sehorn...we should have known better.
this is a pussy mindset. Maybe the Commanders shouldn't ever let a qb drop back to pass cuz theisman broke his leg... happened again with alex smith too! how dare they!
I think it is fair to question BD on Jackson and the impact losing him on a punt return versus the value added. The D changes dramatically without him. That should have been a big factor imv. Now if they had quality depth at corner......
2018 - 16
2019 - 5
2020 - 0
Very few returns since 2018, until asked to do it last week. Maybe Titans had a situation early on where they could afford the risk.
Giants didn't.
Terrible Daboll decision.
Jason Sehorn Part Two.
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Just plain dumb
you would think with this franchise history with Sehorn...we should have known better.
this is a pussy mindset. Maybe the Commanders shouldn't ever let a qb drop back to pass cuz theisman broke his leg... happened again with alex smith too! how dare they!
Your analogy with Washington QBs is just plain wrong.
Hugely bad decision by Daboll.
He owns it 100%.
All that said, it's going to be tough playing DAL w/ all these key 2ndary guys out.
You live with the good and the bad
You live with the good and the bad
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Just plain dumb
you would think with this franchise history with Sehorn...we should have known better.
this is a pussy mindset. Maybe the Commanders shouldn't ever let a qb drop back to pass cuz theisman broke his leg... happened again with alex smith too! how dare they!
this is a ridiculous analogy. Why don't the vikings put Justin Jefferson back on punts...he has the best hands on the team. The giants rarely at all put Odell back there in his prime unless it was a game altering situation.
Why do teams not put there star RB back on KR???? Why don't the Giants put Barkley back there?
Because you don't put added risk of injury on your top tier players because guys are running full speed to hit you. Too much can go wrong.
Putting a guy that is too important to the defense to return punts is stupid. Defending the move is even more stupid.
You live with the good and the bad
there are risks like going for it on 4th or a 2pt conversion...and then there is stupid.
This was STUPID!
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Just plain dumb
you would think with this franchise history with Sehorn...we should have known better.
this is a pussy mindset. Maybe the Commanders shouldn't ever let a qb drop back to pass cuz theisman broke his leg... happened again with alex smith too! how dare they!
this is a ridiculous analogy. Why don't the vikings put Justin Jefferson back on punts...he has the best hands on the team. The giants rarely at all put Odell back there in his prime unless it was a game altering situation.
Why do teams not put there star RB back on KR???? Why don't the Giants put Barkley back there?
Because you don't put added risk of injury on your top tier players because guys are running full speed to hit you. Too much can go wrong.
Putting a guy that is too important to the defense to return punts is stupid. Defending the move is even more stupid.
For starters, you dont catch punts with your hands like a wide receiver does. So justin jefferson having the best hands on the team means nothing for punts.
Odell returned 45 punts while he was with the giants. I wouldn't call that special occasions, thats a decent amount. He was also a PR in college.
And running backs are not typically good kick returners tbh. Typically KR are the faster guys on the team which usually is not running backs, typicallys its db's or wr's. RB's tend to be thicker in the thigh area and that helps them absorb constant punishment but makes it harder to break a kr td
Also I guess Deion wasn't a top tier player, guess deshaun jackson sucks too. Lots of top PR's of all time are top tier players. Injurys happen, its a violent sport. Stop being a pussy about it
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You make decisions based on who is the best guy at the time to do the job. Not make decisions based on being scared bc of injuries.
You don't put arguably you most important defensive player back to return punts. Just because there is one outlier in Deion Sanders who also played offense you still don't do that.
Adoree Jackson has little to no upside returning punts he isn't a break tackle juke guy like Deion Sanders.
Didn't Detroit also go for the knees on Jackson?
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You live with the good and the bad
there are risks like going for it on 4th or a 2pt conversion...and then there is stupid.
This was STUPID!
He's such a stupid coach that he has millions of dollars. How about you?
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Just plain dumb
you would think with this franchise history with Sehorn...we should have known better.
this is a pussy mindset. Maybe the Commanders shouldn't ever let a qb drop back to pass cuz theisman broke his leg... happened again with alex smith too! how dare they!
this is a ridiculous analogy. Why don't the vikings put Justin Jefferson back on punts...he has the best hands on the team. The giants rarely at all put Odell back there in his prime unless it was a game altering situation.
Why do teams not put there star RB back on KR???? Why don't the Giants put Barkley back there?
Because you don't put added risk of injury on your top tier players because guys are running full speed to hit you. Too much can go wrong.
Putting a guy that is too important to the defense to return punts is stupid. Defending the move is even more stupid.
For starters, you dont catch punts with your hands like a wide receiver does. So justin jefferson having the best hands on the team means nothing for punts.
Odell returned 45 punts while he was with the giants. I wouldn't call that special occasions, thats a decent amount. He was also a PR in college.
And running backs are not typically good kick returners tbh. Typically KR are the faster guys on the team which usually is not running backs, typicallys its db's or wr's. RB's tend to be thicker in the thigh area and that helps them absorb constant punishment but makes it harder to break a kr td
Also I guess Deion wasn't a top tier player, guess deshaun jackson sucks too. Lots of top PR's of all time are top tier players. Injurys happen, its a violent sport. Stop being a pussy about it
How about stop name calling and have an actual discussion without being a pretentious douche bag. I know that seems to be a difficult task for you.
Adoree Jackson is not Deion Sanders and he is not Desaun Jackson...they are back there because they are a legit chance to break a PR at anypoint. That is not Adoree Jackson.
There is a reason Adoree didn't start the season as the PR and hasn't been a PR in the NFL. Because he shouldn't be back there. The risk doesn't outweight the reward and the only reason he is back there because Richie James fumbled twice so Daboll panic'd and forced Adoree into a role he shouldn't be doing and paid for it an now AJ is basically out for the season.
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That's the equation. He could be twice as good as the next option, but that has so little affect on the game.
QBs aren't considered for kickoffs, backup linebackers are, regardless of skills.
That's a poor example as most QBs aren't offering anything over anyone else on the kickoff or return teams.
They don't try them regardless of their ability, and it's obvious why.
Same reason you don't use the one player you desperately need on defense to be a marginal returner.
(From an already seriously depleted secondary) and put him out there as your punt returner.
It’s axiomatic… you just don’t do that. At worst, you put Adoree Jackson out their to fair catch the ball.
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No risk it, no biscuit
You live with the good and the bad
there are risks like going for it on 4th or a 2pt conversion...and then there is stupid.
This was STUPID!
He's such a stupid coach that he has millions of dollars. How about you?
What a stupid argument by you which isn't surprising. So because they are a professional coach they can't be questioned with any decision?
So no coach in history can be questioned because he is paid a lot of money to do it? Were you a Joe Judge defender because he was a coach that made a lot of money.
And before you go down some stupid road saying do I think Daboll is JJ? He isn't and he has been a very good coach for us.
He made a bad decision...hopefully he learns from it.
(From an already seriously depleted secondary) and put him out there as your punt returner.
It’s axiomatic… you just don’t do that. At worst, you put Adoree Jackson out their to fair catch the ball.
no no no you can't question the Coach!! What are you doing!!!
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(From an already seriously depleted secondary) and put him out there as your punt returner.
It’s axiomatic… you just don’t do that. At worst, you put Adoree Jackson out their to fair catch the ball.
no no no you can't question the Coach!! What are you doing!!!
LOL!
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This season
Just plain dumb
you would think with this franchise history with Sehorn...we should have known better.
this is a pussy mindset. Maybe the Commanders shouldn't ever let a qb drop back to pass cuz theisman broke his leg... happened again with alex smith too! how dare they!
this is a ridiculous analogy. Why don't the vikings put Justin Jefferson back on punts...he has the best hands on the team. The giants rarely at all put Odell back there in his prime unless it was a game altering situation.
Why do teams not put there star RB back on KR???? Why don't the Giants put Barkley back there?
Because you don't put added risk of injury on your top tier players because guys are running full speed to hit you. Too much can go wrong.
Putting a guy that is too important to the defense to return punts is stupid. Defending the move is even more stupid.
For starters, you dont catch punts with your hands like a wide receiver does. So justin jefferson having the best hands on the team means nothing for punts.
Odell returned 45 punts while he was with the giants. I wouldn't call that special occasions, thats a decent amount. He was also a PR in college.
And running backs are not typically good kick returners tbh. Typically KR are the faster guys on the team which usually is not running backs, typicallys its db's or wr's. RB's tend to be thicker in the thigh area and that helps them absorb constant punishment but makes it harder to break a kr td
Also I guess Deion wasn't a top tier player, guess deshaun jackson sucks too. Lots of top PR's of all time are top tier players. Injurys happen, its a violent sport. Stop being a pussy about it
How about stop name calling and have an actual discussion without being a pretentious douche bag. I know that seems to be a difficult task for you.
Adoree Jackson is not Deion Sanders and he is not Desaun Jackson...they are back there because they are a legit chance to break a PR at anypoint. That is not Adoree Jackson.
There is a reason Adoree didn't start the season as the PR and hasn't been a PR in the NFL. Because he shouldn't be back there. The risk doesn't outweight the reward and the only reason he is back there because Richie James fumbled twice so Daboll panic'd and forced Adoree into a role he shouldn't be doing and paid for it an now AJ is basically out for the season.
I never called you a name, I said stop being a pussy which is directed towards your mentality. You play and coach to win.
youtube says hi, here's a punt return td from college
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASUtDsdZ73U
and here's a kick return for good measure
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRhLzktxsP8
the guys is a very good returner, he stopped returning in TN because a couple of fumbles but shit happens. Punt returning requires a level of instinct and ability to judge a ball in the air. When i got to college at a D1 program on day 1 within the first coach talk, they ask anyone who ever returned punts to raise their hand. Every single person who did it in HS, was on the punt practice squad in college. It's not a skill that you just "do". I would guess everyone they had try out for punt returns after RJ's fumbled 2, returned punts in college.
All that said, it's going to be tough playing DAL w/ all these key 2ndary guys out.
LT did play special teams. But imagine, if he had not, he probably could've played another 4-5 years.
Parcells defended him saying " you can't coach scared"
It’s football. It happens. The whining is brutal today. These same fans whining at the same people who said this was 4 win team and a 3 year rebuild. Can’t make it up.
it also wasn't smart then. Its a risk/reward thing. I don't think any big time player should be playing on specials and mostly KR and PR since you are getting hit.
Sure you need to have some starters on kick coverage or punt coverage but there is a difference tackling someone and getting tackled.
Idea is to win games. Having a return guy that can’t hang onto the ball puts that at risk. The risk reward was warranted in this coaches opinion, I agree
He was also a great wide receiver in college. He should have been in there.
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7-3. Lost season lol, some of you guys are hard to figure. There is still a very realistic path to the play off regardless of what happens to n Dallas.
Lost season, brother, you can’t make this stuff up.
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maybe its the extra 250k in salary for the rest of the season they didn't want to pay someone. I know it seems short sighted, but if you expect the worst possible outcome every time, its difficult to coach without fear. And the giants are already so close to the cap they likely felt they could get by with someone already on the active roster
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That should have been a personal foul.
Still, he never should have been back there. I hope they've learned their lesson.
I think he was already hurt on the tackle before the cheap shot to his back as he was on the ground.
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putting Jackson on punt return. Risk - reward way off.
Idea is to win games. Having a return guy that can’t hang onto the ball puts that at risk. The risk reward was warranted in this coaches opinion, I agree
That’s why some of us have said that, if the team wants to tempt fate putting Adoree Jackson out there on punt returns, then have him fair catch the ball.
Given Jackson's history as a punt returner AND given the fact we basically lost a game on giving it away on specials I have zero problem with him returning punts.
Unfortunately injuries happen.
I know it was a different time, but I recall LT playing special teams.
It's football gents.