I know this unit banged up but we have invested so much draft capital here in the past and have so many holes on the roster. Question is are there enough pieces to bypass in next years draft?
LT-thomas
LR-ezeudu
C-gates/brederson?
RG-phillips/glowinski/brederson
RT-neal
is there enough there?
But I agree Giants will draft at least one interior OL.
No knock on Gates, but for team building.
No knock on EZ , but who knows about McKs knee and if he is really pro level.
And if they are unsure of Neal and his footwork / technique improving, they might slide him to G , then will need a RT.
I think they will try to stick with round 3 and later to accomplish this as good interior guys can be found here.
FYI its Bredeson
No knock on Gates, but for team building.
No knock on EZ , but who knows about McKs knee and if he is really pro level.
And if they are unsure of Neal and his footwork / technique improving, they might slide him to G , then will need a RT.
McK was doing well until that injury and looked like he might be in the rotation this season.
My guess is you will be wrong. They now have at least 5 guys and maybe six who are better than the three who were starting at G and C at the end of last year. Ezeudu, Glowinski, Gates, Lemieux, McKeathan and Bredeson. You can throw Phillips in as a possibility. At some point you have to trust guys to improve through, better technique, reps and experience, like Thomas.
The only OL I can see them taking is a center, and that would be third round or later. Rounds 1 and 2 will most likely be WR and CB. Get some receivers who are a threat and can get separation quickly and other teams won't be able to just play the run.
Lemieux looked as bad as possible. May be rust or may be what he is and will be.
Gates can pass a Physical. That is really all we know.
Guys picked where McKethan was picked usually end up just trying to find a roster spot somewhere, not making a positive difference.
LT Thomas Peart
LG Ezeudu Lemieux
C Gates Bredeson
RG Glowinski day 2 pick
RT Neal Phillips
I'm not sure. Having a decent IOL would've made a huge difference yesterday even with the horrible recievers.
We will see what E-man does his sophomore year.
What's the draft look like next year for guards?
1 CB
1 DT
2 LBs
That’s the priority
I think they fix OL in FA. There’s plenty of youth there now
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are in such bad shape at playmaking spots, I wager strongly they won't pick an OL in 1st 3 rounds in draft.
I'm not sure. Having a decent IOL would've made a huge difference yesterday even with the horrible recievers.
Can't have everyone and everything everywhere all of the time.
Ask Reese and Gentleman how this plan worked out. It was the nail in both of their coffins.
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At some point you have to trust guys to improve through, better technique, reps and experience, like Thomas.
Ask Reese and Gentleman how this plan worked out. It was the nail in both of their coffins.
I think the guys playing now have shown much more than the guys Gettleman and Reese relied on. But maybe you want to draft the next Pugh or Flowers.
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At some point you have to trust guys to improve through, better technique, reps and experience, like Thomas.
Ask Reese and Gentleman how this plan worked out. It was the nail in both of their coffins.
I think the guys playing now have shown much more than the guys Gettleman and Reese relied on. But maybe you want to draft the next Pugh or Flowers.
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At some point you have to trust guys to improve through, better technique, reps and experience, like Thomas.
Ask Reese and Gentleman how this plan worked out. It was the nail in both of their coffins.
I think the guys playing now have shown much more than the guys Gettleman and Reese relied on. But maybe you want to draft the next Pugh or Flowers.
What have you seen in anyone but Thomas that makes you so confident. Thomas is and All-Pro Talent, you think Neal will be good and you hope Gates can get back into form. Assuming that getting these guys more reps is going to automatically make them better is setting yourself up for the same mistake the prior GMs made.
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At some point you have to trust guys to improve through, better technique, reps and experience, like Thomas.
Ask Reese and Gentleman how this plan worked out. It was the nail in both of their coffins.
I think the guys playing now have shown much more than the guys Gettleman and Reese relied on. But maybe you want to draft the next Pugh or Flowers.
What have you seen in anyone but Thomas that makes you so confident. Thomas is and All-Pro Talent, you think Neal will be good and you hope Gates can get back into form. Assuming that getting these guys more reps is going to automatically make them better is setting yourself up for the same mistake the prior GMs made.
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At some point you have to trust guys to improve through, better technique, reps and experience, like Thomas.
Ask Reese and Gentleman how this plan worked out. It was the nail in both of their coffins.
I think the guys playing now have shown much more than the guys Gettleman and Reese relied on. But maybe you want to draft the next Pugh or Flowers.
What have you seen in anyone but Thomas that makes you so confident. Thomas is and All-Pro Talent, you think Neal will be good and you hope Gates can get back into form. Assuming that getting these guys more reps is going to automatically make them better is setting yourself up for the same mistake the prior GMs made.
How so. Neal is a 1st round choice who has already shown improvement and some of the skills that made him a top choice. Gates was playing at an all pro level before being injured. So, how is it unrealistic to think a line replacing Feliciano and Philips/Peart with them will make for a better OL.
I don't think it's unrealistic, but I don't think it is a given either. I am just saying it is a mistake assuming that things will only get better with more reps and that you don't have to do anything to address the O-Line in the off-season.
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At some point you have to trust guys to improve through, better technique, reps and experience, like Thomas.
Ask Reese and Gentleman how this plan worked out. It was the nail in both of their coffins.
I think the guys playing now have shown much more than the guys Gettleman and Reese relied on. But maybe you want to draft the next Pugh or Flowers.
What have you seen in anyone but Thomas that makes you so confident. Thomas is and All-Pro Talent, you think Neal will be good and you hope Gates can get back into form. Assuming that getting these guys more reps is going to automatically make them better is setting yourself up for the same mistake the prior GMs made.
How so. Neal is a 1st round choice who has already shown improvement and some of the skills that made him a top choice. Gates was playing at an all pro level before being injured. So, how is it unrealistic to think a line replacing Feliciano and Philips/Peart with them will make for a better OL.
I don't think it's unrealistic, but I don't think it is a given either. I am just saying it is a mistake assuming that things will only get better with more reps and that you don't have to do anything to address the O-Line in the off-season.
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At some point you have to trust guys to improve through, better technique, reps and experience, like Thomas.
Ask Reese and Gentleman how this plan worked out. It was the nail in both of their coffins.
I think the guys playing now have shown much more than the guys Gettleman and Reese relied on. But maybe you want to draft the next Pugh or Flowers.
What have you seen in anyone but Thomas that makes you so confident. Thomas is and All-Pro Talent, you think Neal will be good and you hope Gates can get back into form. Assuming that getting these guys more reps is going to automatically make them better is setting yourself up for the same mistake the prior GMs made.
How so. Neal is a 1st round choice who has already shown improvement and some of the skills that made him a top choice. Gates was playing at an all pro level before being injured. So, how is it unrealistic to think a line replacing Feliciano and Philips/Peart with them will make for a better OL.
I don't think it's unrealistic, but I don't think it is a given either. I am just saying it is a mistake assuming that things will only get better with more reps and that you don't have to do anything to address the O-Line in the off-season.
It was wrong to assume that blindly with guys that have no track records. But, Gates has already played at a high level and Neal is already improving each week and has the pedigree. Thomas is one of the top 3 OTs in the league right now. Expecting a solid OL with these guys together is very realistic, especially when Neal and (hopefully) Gates are replacing really shitty players.
But to clarify, you are comfortable not doing anything at guard because you think that Neal and hope that Gates will be good enough to make up for them.
OT - Thomas, Neal, Peart/Phillips - We are better than most teams here. The expectation is that Neal will become at least an average starter here. Thomas is a stud. Maybe someone gets brought in as a vet to push Peart/Phillips but I don't see money being shelled out.
IL - Ezudou is going to start next year. The question is where. Gates is on audition. If he passes, then I think we go into next year with Glowinski, Lemieux and Bredeson fighting it out for the other spot with Glowinski maybe getting traded/cut if he loses the spot. If Gates isn't ready, we do something at center and I would guess probably in free agency.
I do think we go into the draft looking for a backup or 2 for day 3. That is because Bredeson/Lemieux/Peart/Phillips would all be free agents in 2024.
There are glaring needs on this team, OL I don't see as 1 of them.
- Inside linebacker.
- Wide Reciever +3
- Interior defensive lineman.
But clearly, they need WRs, CB, IDL and ILB more. And there is a better than 50% chance they will be searching for a QB.
I do think that Schoen will be a best available player type drafter and they will have rows of players, but I do not think OL will be high on the priority list days 1 or 2.
I would think....they will add bodies every year....but unlikely in the top of draft