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I'm counting 6 ACLs this year (So far)

David B. : 11/21/2022 6:26 pm
Am I missing anyone?:

Sheppard
McKethan
Beavers
Robinson
DJ Davidson
WR Collin Johnson

Was Aaron Robinson an ACL? It was a knee.


Is this a record? For the Giants or the league? I've been watching the Giants for over 40 years. This FEELS like a record. And the season's a long way from over. 😵
What was the spread?  
Giantimistic : 11/21/2022 6:31 pm : link
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Now count the MCLs and total them up  
Simms11 : 11/21/2022 6:31 pm : link
with the ACLs and you've got a slew of knee injuries!

Leo
KT
Jackson
Neal
Bredeson

I'm sure I'm missing a few too
Did they all happen at MetLife?  
CMicks3110 : 11/21/2022 6:36 pm : link
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Was johnson  
g56blue10 : 11/21/2022 6:38 pm : link
A ACL ? I remember it being an Achilles
Well, there goes our fifth golden ring.  
MOOPS : 11/21/2022 6:44 pm : link
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MCL, PCL and ACL. Turf but trainer too  
MeanBunny : 11/21/2022 6:55 pm : link
The ACL holds tibia and femur in rotation. It's a ligament and prone hyperextension and twisting when planting.
MCL and PCLs are usually shots from the side.
The Giants have an exceptional amount of injuries. I don't think the Jets have the same issues so quite possible trainer is overbuilding muscles and joints you cannot build. You can make the supporting structures more resilient and elastic(plus increase ROM) so it's not go and blow all the time.
Last game wasn't as bad so this team was not prepared, lazy, unfocused and the injury counts showed.
RE: Did they all happen at MetLife?  
pjcas18 : 11/21/2022 6:58 pm : link
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RE: MCL, PCL and ACL. Turf but trainer too  
DefenseWins : 11/21/2022 7:35 pm : link
In comment 15917375 MeanBunny said:
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You can make the supporting structures more resilient and elastic(plus increase ROM) so it's not go and blow all the time.


I am leaning in this direction. My unsubstantiated "opinion" is they are not training properly.

I also talk about hamstrings where we have seen far too many of those injuries too. This 100% can be created by the training program.

Lets dive into weight training for a moment. How important is it for small WRs and CBs to do lower body weight training? For these individuals, I would like to find a training program that focuses on injury prevention vs building strength and mass. Again for players who rely more on speed and cutting ability vs lower body power.
RE: RE: MCL, PCL and ACL. Turf but trainer too  
outeiroj : 11/21/2022 7:46 pm : link
In comment 15917413 DefenseWins said:
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You can make the supporting structures more resilient and elastic(plus increase ROM) so it's not go and blow all the time.



I am leaning in this direction. My unsubstantiated "opinion" is they are not training properly.

I also talk about hamstrings where we have seen far too many of those injuries too. This 100% can be created by the training program.

Lets dive into weight training for a moment. How important is it for small WRs and CBs to do lower body weight training? For these individuals, I would like to find a training program that focuses on injury prevention vs building strength and mass. Again for players who rely more on speed and cutting ability vs lower body power.


this is not strictly an nfl issue, there are studies that have been done linked directly to training non stop at an early age. Athletes today are treated like horses from a young age and groomed to squeeze every ounce of performance out of their bodies.

Saquon was squatting 495lbs for reps as a freshman at PSU... he didn't just show up at college and magically had the ability to do that... it was trained into him

The NBA commish has come out and publicly said that young athletes are a ticking timebomb due to overtraining from a young age
And at least 3  
Joe Beckwith : 11/21/2022 9:04 pm : link
Of the 4 names listed in the middle of the thread we’re looking to be early starters/ contributors , and part of the future.
A third of the’23 draft may be dedicated to rebuilding part of the ‘22 draft.
A third will be WRs.
RE: Did they all happen at MetLife?  
GMen72 : 11/21/2022 10:26 pm : link
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And what's the league average per team, per year?
Giants gonna Giant.  
Dave in Hoboken : 11/21/2022 10:31 pm : link
I wouldn't be surprised if we have another 5+ ACL tears by the end of the season.
How do you expect to have a medical trainer in the ring of honor?  
State Your Name : 11/22/2022 5:40 am : link
If you don’t have tons of guys needing medical treatment?
Thanks Dr. Ronnie!!

RE: RE: MCL, PCL and ACL. Turf but trainer too  
BigBlueShock : 11/22/2022 7:26 am : link
In comment 15917413 DefenseWins said:
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In comment 15917375 MeanBunny said:


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You can make the supporting structures more resilient and elastic(plus increase ROM) so it's not go and blow all the time.



I am leaning in this direction. My unsubstantiated "opinion" is they are not training properly.

I also talk about hamstrings where we have seen far too many of those injuries too. This 100% can be created by the training program.

Lets dive into weight training for a moment. How important is it for small WRs and CBs to do lower body weight training? For these individuals, I would like to find a training program that focuses on injury prevention vs building strength and mass. Again for players who rely more on speed and cutting ability vs lower body power.

4 of these guys are rookies and 3 of them got injured early in the season/preseason. That training program sure works fast!

Hint: none of those guys were injured because of the damn training program….
Artificial Turf is garbage  
Costy16 : 11/22/2022 7:54 am : link
Bottom line. It's literally a carpet with fake blades of grass that has no give to it and these guys cleats are getting stuck in it and it is RUINING careers and also player depth on this team. You don't see guys ACL's going out with nearly the same frequency on natural grass.

Read last week that the Panthers players told David Tepper (who switched the playing surface from natural grass to field turf for concerts and soccer team) that they want a grass playing surface back in the stadium. Panthers had natural grass since their inaugural season until Tepper switched it last season.
How many ACLs do the Jets  
section125 : 11/22/2022 7:56 am : link
have at MetLife this year? Anyone have an idea?
RE: RE: RE: MCL, PCL and ACL. Turf but trainer too  
JB_in_DC : 11/22/2022 8:26 am : link
In comment 15917423 outeiroj said:
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You can make the supporting structures more resilient and elastic(plus increase ROM) so it's not go and blow all the time.



I am leaning in this direction. My unsubstantiated "opinion" is they are not training properly.

I also talk about hamstrings where we have seen far too many of those injuries too. This 100% can be created by the training program.

Lets dive into weight training for a moment. How important is it for small WRs and CBs to do lower body weight training? For these individuals, I would like to find a training program that focuses on injury prevention vs building strength and mass. Again for players who rely more on speed and cutting ability vs lower body power.



this is not strictly an nfl issue, there are studies that have been done linked directly to training non stop at an early age. Athletes today are treated like horses from a young age and groomed to squeeze every ounce of performance out of their bodies.

Saquon was squatting 495lbs for reps as a freshman at PSU... he didn't just show up at college and magically had the ability to do that... it was trained into him

The NBA commish has come out and publicly said that young athletes are a ticking timebomb due to overtraining from a young age


I agree with this. The overtraining from a young age isn't going to change as long as the financial incentives that drive college football and for players getting drafted exist. Changing to artificial grass from turf may help a little, but will be slight. The genie is out of the bottle imo.
RE: RE: RE: MCL, PCL and ACL. Turf but trainer too  
DefenseWins : 11/22/2022 8:39 am : link
In comment 15917633 BigBlueShock said:
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4 of these guys are rookies and 3 of them got injured early in the season/preseason. That training program sure works fast!

Hint: none of those guys were injured because of the damn training program….


I had shifted to talking about hamstrings when I mentioned the training program. You absolutely can pull hamstrings SOON AFTER being exposed to a new training program. In fact, you are more likely to have that happen when you are not used to it.

For example, if you start to do heavy or frequent squats and then go out on the field and start running sprints, you have a higher probability of pulling a hamstring. You do not need to be exposed to this for a long time for it to happen. This is just one example.
RE: How many ACLs do the Jets  
Juice921 : 11/22/2022 9:28 am : link
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have at MetLife this year? Anyone have an idea?

Breece Hall tore his ACL but it was during a road game. I suppose its possible the amount of time these guys spend on turf may weaken the knee though?
RE: RE: RE: RE: MCL, PCL and ACL. Turf but trainer too  
BigBlueShock : 11/22/2022 9:51 am : link
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4 of these guys are rookies and 3 of them got injured early in the season/preseason. That training program sure works fast!

Hint: none of those guys were injured because of the damn training program….



I had shifted to talking about hamstrings when I mentioned the training program. You absolutely can pull hamstrings SOON AFTER being exposed to a new training program. In fact, you are more likely to have that happen when you are not used to it.

For example, if you start to do heavy or frequent squats and then go out on the field and start running sprints, you have a higher probability of pulling a hamstring. You do not need to be exposed to this for a long time for it to happen. This is just one example.

There have been hundreds of players that have been in the building that have also played for other franchises. Have we ever heard one single player comment about the Giants training program being different than other places?
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Costy16 : 11/22/2022 9:56 am : link
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have at MetLife this year? Anyone have an idea?


Breece Hall tore his ACL but it was during a road game. I suppose its possible the amount of time these guys spend on turf may weaken the knee though?


I read somewhere that players said that there is a significant difference in how they feel the next day after playing on turf vs playing on grass.
RE: RE: RE: How many ACLs do the Jets  
section125 : 11/22/2022 10:05 am : link
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have at MetLife this year? Anyone have an idea?


Breece Hall tore his ACL but it was during a road game. I suppose its possible the amount of time these guys spend on turf may weaken the knee though?



I read somewhere that players said that there is a significant difference in how they feel the next day after playing on turf vs playing on grass.


I believe that is true - playing on a rug cover asphalt field cannot be fun.

I do wonder why only the Giants players are blowing ACLs at MetLife. If the Jets are not, then how is it the field - there should be a correlation, no?
Probably a combination of over training  
AnnapolisMike : 11/22/2022 10:20 am : link
and the synthetic turf that leads to more of these injuries. You would have to think they can make a synthetic surface which yields like a grass field.
When I think about it historically  
David B. : 11/22/2022 11:09 am : link
The Giants always seem to lose at least 2-3 guys to ACLs a season. Which always seemed like a lot. But 6, halfway through the season seems unprecedented. And yeah, there could be more.

I too believe that grass would be easier on the body (in general, and probably better on ACLs), but it's not like guys didn't get ACLs on grass in the pre-turf era. They certainly did. Was the rate less? Probably, but I don't know that the data exists.

The NFL always trots out their data that the difference is negligible, but it's hard to trust them on anything regarding player health and safety. The league and the owners would sell their mothers to make an extra buck. It's more important to them than winning, and the players. Sure, all teams want to win, but win or lose, they revenue share the pie. So even when star players go down, it's not a financial motivator to change anything from an owner's POV.

Changing the field is not going to happen. Especially not in Metlife where you have two teams and all the other events. A grass field would be mud all year. Besides, they already tried it a while back with the trays. It didn't work.

ACLs are going to happen regardless. My initial post here was less about the playing surface debate and more about this year's ridiculous number of ACLs. Let's just hope it's bad luck. Because 6+ a year is not sustainable.
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