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| One NFC general manager figured the Giants' "best option'' would be to re-sign Jones this offseason. Another executive with a potential NFC playoff team said there is "no way" he would build around the 2019 No. 6 overall pick, citing what he considered an inability to win in traditional drop-back situations, and the Giants' success in Daboll's scaled-back offense. An NFL executive with experience negotiating contracts suggested a one-year deal for midlevel money would make the most sense for both parties. Something in the $15 million to $20 million range. That is assuming there won't be a big, long-term deal out there for Jones. "He's a bridge to the real future starter," the executive said. Another source pointed to the two-year, $28 million contract ($21 million guaranteed) Jameis Winston signed with the New Orleans Saints this past offseason as an example of what might work with Jones. |
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| Jones, 25, might not be so willing to make that deal. He can likely do better on the open market. He has had more recent success than Winston and isn't coming off a serious injury. But there is an inherent risk to letting Jones test his value. Quarterbacks with far more fleeting success -- Brock Osweiler, Nick Foles and Matt Flynn, to name a few -- have been paid handsomely on the open market. "While far from perfect, he's young and ascending, and upward of 12 teams will need new quarterbacks next season," ESPN NFL front-office insider Mike Tannenbaum said. "The ball-security issue that plagued him over his first three seasons [36 fumbles] is largely under control this year." Tannenbaum doesn't think Jones will get anything less than $25 million per year, citing the supply and demand with the position. |
You can always move a veteran QB in a trade later. Look at Darnold/Rosen/Wentz.
What QB in in college right now really projects to be a franchise altering QB and is in range for Giants at what could be a mid round pick.
Fallback to earth? What planet is he orbiting this year?
I just don't think you decide to keep a QB based on how he plays in a few games in his 4th year, much less the last seven. And I keep saying this and nobody agrees so I must be alone in this. A good offensive minded HC, like Daboll, knows what he wants in a QB. He should be looking for traits that fit how he wants to play ball. He'll be flexible, sure, but I think the QB has to somewhat fit something the coach wants to do. Maybe Jones fits what Daboll wants, but I'm not sure the last 7 will change his mind. I hope his mind is made up - a HC should have a clear vision of what he wants to do and should be able to see what the QB can do, what his traits will allow.
First, our OL is going to get massacred on Thursday. If it looks anything like the last Dallas game, he won't stand a chance and it gives little info about the QB. So now we're down to 6.
Among those 6, he'll probably have 4 Regular Jones games, 1 actual good game and 1 stinker.
Regular Jones games: 3 games we'll keep tight, minimize the role of the QB, he'll throw for 170-210 yards. We'll score between 17 and 24 points. We'll win or lose based on a couple of high leverage plays (basically most games in our 7-2 start). The other will be like on Sunday - fall behind, rack up some yards in the 2nd half
One actual good game, probably against WFT where our D doesn't play so good and Jones looks like a good QB (like the game in DC last year)
One bad game, probably against Philly. We fall behind, need to throw and he turns it over a few times.
Look maybe I'm wrong and there will be some massive transformation or collapse in his play. Bit this is who he is. We've seen it for years. He's going to play like Jones. We'll probably win 2 or 3 games and lose decisively in a playoff game. If we get that information, do we still need to watch him for another season to see it again?
You can always move a veteran QB in a trade later. Look at Darnold/Rosen/Wentz.
What QB in in college right now really projects to be a franchise altering QB and is in range for Giants at what could be a mid round pick.
This is the question that never gets an answer.
I m thinking if season ended today, Giants want to bring him back.
In the last two weeks I watched Josh Allen implode with game on the line, and Justin Herbert throw a bad looking interception to end the game, even great quarterbacks make mistakes. So far this season Daniel makes fewer and leads the league in game winning drives, an inconvenient truth for some.
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worst case scenario, he falls back to earth he sucks and you get the #1 pick in the 2024 draft.
You can always move a veteran QB in a trade later. Look at Darnold/Rosen/Wentz.
What QB in in college right now really projects to be a franchise altering QB and is in range for Giants at what could be a mid round pick.
This is the question that never gets an answer.
No one here is qualified to answer that question.
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worst case scenario, he falls back to earth he sucks and you get the #1 pick in the 2024 draft.
You can always move a veteran QB in a trade later. Look at Darnold/Rosen/Wentz.
What QB in in college right now really projects to be a franchise altering QB and is in range for Giants at what could be a mid round pick.
This is the question that never gets an answer.
The answer is possibly several of them, possibly none of them. There is no perfect line of site on any current college QB becoming a franchise NFL QB. You do your evaluations, rank the guys and possibly navigate the Draft Board to land one.
Can you answer to whether Daniel Jones is franchise QB yet? Not sure why not since you have had nearly 4 years to study him as an NFL starter.
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worst case scenario, he falls back to earth he sucks and you get the #1 pick in the 2024 draft.
You can always move a veteran QB in a trade later. Look at Darnold/Rosen/Wentz.
What QB in in college right now really projects to be a franchise altering QB and is in range for Giants at what could be a mid round pick.
This is the question that never gets an answer.
No one here is qualified to answer that question.
The answer that there are no 100 percent guaranteed QBs in the draft that are franchise QB so you might as well continue to build around jones is a lame one. Jones is who he is. After watching Garapolo on mnf — despite having better skill players — there is clearly a difference.
In a few words this is how I describe Jones …. He is basically the same guy he was at Duke. When passing he needs about 5-6 seconds for a play to develop , in which he will stand like a statue and stare down a field completely oblivious to what is going on around him in the pocket .
In the NFL he would have needed to cut that down to about 3-4 seconds while at the same time moving his head and body to go through reads.
The quick fix for this was jones to tuck a ball away and start running or to go on make shift plays or roll outs at the slightest sign of trouble ; ; which admittedly has been working until he got found out by the Seahawks. That is all even though he had enough time to get a regular play off. Is it any wonder so many receivers are checked out? The jones crew attributes this to poor receivers. They can’t prove it. It’s just an emotional reaction to them liking jones. that is not a starting franchise QBs
I m thinking if season ended today, Giants want to bring him back.
In the last two weeks I watched Josh Allen implode with game on the line, and Justin Herbert throw a bad looking interception to end the game, even great quarterbacks make mistakes. So far this season Daniel makes fewer and leads the league in game winning drives, an inconvenient truth for some.
Comparing other QBs at their worst to Daniel Jones at his best isn't a useful conversation.
The two guys you mentioned are significantly better than Jones in almost every single way. Don't embarrass yourself by bringing them up in comparison to Jones.
In a few words this is how I describe Jones …. He is basically the same guy he was at Duke. When passing he needs about 5-6 seconds for a play to develop , in which he will stand like a statue and stare down a field completely oblivious to what is going on around him in the pocket .
In the NFL he would have needed to cut that down to about 3-4 seconds while at the same time moving his head and body to go through reads.
The quick fix for this was jones to tuck a ball away and start running or to go on make shift plays or roll outs at the slightest sign of trouble ; ; which admittedly has been working until he got found out by the Seahawks. That is all even though he had enough time to get a regular play off. Is it any wonder so many receivers are checked out? The jones crew attributes this to poor receivers. They can’t prove it. It’s just an emotional reaction to them liking jones. that is not a starting franchise QBs
yeah, ok
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worst case scenario, he falls back to earth he sucks and you get the #1 pick in the 2024 draft.
You can always move a veteran QB in a trade later. Look at Darnold/Rosen/Wentz.
What QB in in college right now really projects to be a franchise altering QB and is in range for Giants at what could be a mid round pick.
This is the question that never gets an answer.
No one here is qualified to answer that question.
The answer that there are no 100 percent guaranteed QBs in the draft that are franchise QB so you might as well continue to build around jones is a lame one. Jones is who he is. After watching Garapolo on mnf — despite having better skill players — there is clearly a difference.
In a few words this is how I describe Jones …. He is basically the same guy he was at Duke. When passing he needs about 5-6 seconds for a play to develop , in which he will stand like a statue and stare down a field completely oblivious to what is going on around him in the pocket .
In the NFL he would have needed to cut that down to about 3-4 seconds while at the same time moving his head and body to go through reads.
The quick fix for this was jones to tuck a ball away and start running or to go on make shift plays or roll outs at the slightest sign of trouble ; ; which admittedly has been working until he got found out by the Seahawks. That is all even though he had enough time to get a regular play off. Is it any wonder so many receivers are checked out? The jones crew attributes this to poor receivers. They can’t prove it. It’s just an emotional reaction to them liking jones. that is not a starting franchise QBs
Wait. Are did you really just say that people can’t prove that Jones is playing with poor receivers? Holy shitballs.
What’s next, nobody can prove that the interior OL has played poorly? You are a complete assclown if you honestly think Jones hasn’t been affected by a horrific cast of characters they’re trotting out there every week. I’ve said it a million times that I don’t think Jones is the answer but you need to pull your head out of the sand. It’s ok to question Jones while also admitting his situation has been the worst in the league since he was drafted
I m thinking if season ended today, Giants want to bring him back.
In the last two weeks I watched Josh Allen implode with game on the line, and Justin Herbert throw a bad looking interception to end the game, even great quarterbacks make mistakes. So far this season Daniel makes fewer and leads the league in game winning drives, an inconvenient truth for some.
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In the meadow land winds Sunday, made me wonder once again why some question his arm talent.
I m thinking if season ended today, Giants want to bring him back.
In the last two weeks I watched Josh Allen implode with game on the line, and Justin Herbert throw a bad looking interception to end the game, even great quarterbacks make mistakes. So far this season Daniel makes fewer and leads the league in game winning drives, an inconvenient truth for some.
Joe going down fighting. One can only admire the tenacity. There is not a GM in the League that would take Jones over Allen or Herbert so stop right there.
Nice try. That is not what he said at all. In fact, he said if Allen and Herbert can implode(suggesting they are upper tier QBs) then why couldn't Jones(a lower tier QB)...
You are right, no GM would take Jones over those two. In fact, even DG would have taken Herbert over Jones had he come out that year - we know that.
This year's boogie man is now they'll never get a franchise quarterback in the draft.
Just so we're clear, does that mean Jones is a franchise quarterback? I'd also suggest reading up on how Schoen's former team moved up from 21 to 7 to get Allen, and only traded 1 first round pick.
But short of finding the next Allen, what if the Giants drafted a game manager with good wheels who can lead a run-first team, in a paired down system as he grows? And what if that guy came at a 4 year, 30M price tag?
That would be better, no?
I m thinking if season ended today, Giants want to bring him back.
In the last two weeks I watched Josh Allen implode with game on the line, and Justin Herbert throw a bad looking interception to end the game, even great quarterbacks make mistakes. So far this season Daniel makes fewer and leads the league in game winning drives, an inconvenient truth for some.
DJ's most ardent defenders love to throw the game winning drives stat into the discussion this year because they seem to think it's their ace in the hole.
Guess what? If your QB leads you to a 2 TD lead in the 3rd quarter (for example), and your team holds onto the lead the rest of the way, your QB doesn't get credited with a game winning drive at all. Playing a lot of close games, and playing from behind, gives a QB a lot more opportunities for game winning drives. And there's no requirement that the QB even throw the ball to get credited with a game winning drive in those close games. Several of the top QBs on really good teams don't get very many GWD opportunities at all. If the best QBs have fewer GWD opportunities in the first place, are we certain that having more GWD is a particularly strong indicator of QB performance?
It seems like a silly stat for fans who have nothing else they can cling to.
This year's boogie man is now they'll never get a franchise quarterback in the draft.
Just so we're clear, does that mean Jones is a franchise quarterback? I'd also suggest reading up on how Schoen's former team moved up from 21 to 7 to get Allen, and only traded 1 first round pick.
But short of finding the next Allen, what if the Giants drafted a game manager with good wheels who can lead a run-first team, in a paired down system as he grows? And what if that guy came at a 4 year, 30M price tag?
That would be better, no?
The fear of getting better is common on the board. Just think about this - the Giants may finish in last place.
And before all the excuse makers line up for Jones (and I do think the supporting cast is a major problem), go look at the supporting cast Carson Wentz had back in 2019 and he navigated the Eagles to the playoffs.
It’s quite simple for me. If this team misses the playoffs, I would be shocked if Jones is back in any capacity. He’s got some pressure on him now.
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In the meadow land winds Sunday, made me wonder once again why some question his arm talent.
I m thinking if season ended today, Giants want to bring him back.
In the last two weeks I watched Josh Allen implode with game on the line, and Justin Herbert throw a bad looking interception to end the game, even great quarterbacks make mistakes. So far this season Daniel makes fewer and leads the league in game winning drives, an inconvenient truth for some.
DJ's most ardent defenders love to throw the game winning drives stat into the discussion this year because they seem to think it's their ace in the hole.
Guess what? If your QB leads you to a 2 TD lead in the 3rd quarter (for example), and your team holds onto the lead the rest of the way, your QB doesn't get credited with a game winning drive at all. Playing a lot of close games, and playing from behind, gives a QB a lot more opportunities for game winning drives. And there's no requirement that the QB even throw the ball to get credited with a game winning drive in those close games. Several of the top QBs on really good teams don't get very many GWD opportunities at all. If the best QBs have fewer GWD opportunities in the first place, are we certain that having more GWD is a particularly strong indicator of QB performance?
It seems like a silly stat for fans who have nothing else they can cling to.
Weak argument GD. Wreaks of "yeah but" itself....fact is the Giants are not a good team. The staff does it's best to keep it close so that they can eke ahead in the 4th quarter. The fact does remain he has 5 come from behind wins in the 4th qtr.
Now that the defense is a physical wreck, they will need to try a different tactic.
Both extremes are so dug in, its really odd. Its pretty easy to see that Jones isn't a top tier QB but he's having a positive effect on the 2022 NY Giants, much more so than he ever has in the past. Why you guys won't play in the gray area is strange.
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In the meadow land winds Sunday, made me wonder once again why some question his arm talent.
I m thinking if season ended today, Giants want to bring him back.
In the last two weeks I watched Josh Allen implode with game on the line, and Justin Herbert throw a bad looking interception to end the game, even great quarterbacks make mistakes. So far this season Daniel makes fewer and leads the league in game winning drives, an inconvenient truth for some.
DJ's most ardent defenders love to throw the game winning drives stat into the discussion this year because they seem to think it's their ace in the hole.
Guess what? If your QB leads you to a 2 TD lead in the 3rd quarter (for example), and your team holds onto the lead the rest of the way, your QB doesn't get credited with a game winning drive at all. Playing a lot of close games, and playing from behind, gives a QB a lot more opportunities for game winning drives. And there's no requirement that the QB even throw the ball to get credited with a game winning drive in those close games. Several of the top QBs on really good teams don't get very many GWD opportunities at all. If the best QBs have fewer GWD opportunities in the first place, are we certain that having more GWD is a particularly strong indicator of QB performance?
It seems like a silly stat for fans who have nothing else they can cling to.
Weak argument GD. Wreaks of "yeah but" itself....fact is the Giants are not a good team. The staff does it's best to keep it close so that they can eke ahead in the 4th quarter. The fact does remain he has 5 come from behind wins in the 4th qtr.
Now that the defense is a physical wreck, they will need to try a different tactic.
I get it, but the fact remains that the elite QBs playing on championship contenders might not have 5 GWD opportunities per season to begin with, so it shouldn't be surprising or all that exciting for DJ to have more GWD than Mahomes, for example.
DJ leading the league in GWD is a positive, sure, but I was just pointing out that it's also misleading. A better team will be in GWD situations less frequently than a middle-of-the-pack (or worse) team, so those QBs will have fewer GWDs simply because their team isn't playing from behind or tied in the 4th quarter as often.
If the number of opportunities for a GWD is decreased by a stronger team (and stronger QB play, going hand in hand), then the GWD stat isn't especially insightful as a counting stat. I could see some merit in GWD percentage instead, but that seems like a slog to compile the data.
Both extremes are so dug in, its really odd. Its pretty easy to see that Jones isn't a top tier QB but he's having a positive effect on the 2022 NY Giants, much more so than he ever has in the past. Why you guys won't play in the gray area is strange.
My honest answer, and I can only speak for myself: I won't play in the gray area because the QB market suggests that there is no gray area when it comes to veteran QB contracts. That's just the way I see it, and for me, the DJ question has always been rooted in the value of his next contract (and how that impacts the goal of building a winning roster under the salary cap).
So in that context, what's the point of the gray area, if my honest belief is that DJ's next contract will either land with the sub-$20M journeyman/bridge tier, or the $35M+ "franchise QB" tier? That is a binary first-step question, IMO, and it admittedly dismisses the possibility (or relevance) of a gray area right from the start.
Is DJ worth less than $20M or more than $35M (AAV)? Any gray area just defines which of those two outcomes he's closer to, but I fully admit that I'm pretty locked into my belief that only a tag would stand in the way of one of those two contract value outcomes, with no in between (although I could see the upper limit of the lower price tier creep up a bit to maybe $22M, which is where I could see Geno landing).
ELi had so many game winning drives with memorable plays throughout and big time , crunch time throws like against the Eagles abd Bears to Plaxico Buress ; and Mannignham etc.
My memories of Gaints game winning drives is of jones handing a ball off to Barkley and watching him break a defenders ankles and running 40 yards down the field. If he can't do that , they lose like they did to the Lions.
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In the meadow land winds Sunday, made me wonder once again why some question his arm talent.
I m thinking if season ended today, Giants want to bring him back.
In the last two weeks I watched Josh Allen implode with game on the line, and Justin Herbert throw a bad looking interception to end the game, even great quarterbacks make mistakes. So far this season Daniel makes fewer and leads the league in game winning drives, an inconvenient truth for some.
Joe going down fighting. One can only admire the tenacity. There is not a GM in the League that would take Jones over Allen or Herbert so stop right there.
Nice try. That is not what he said at all. In fact, he said if Allen and Herbert can implode(suggesting they are upper tier QBs) then why couldn't Jones(a lower tier QB)...
You are right, no GM would take Jones over those two. In fact, even DG would have taken Herbert over Jones had he come out that year - we know that.
ELi had so many game winning drives with memorable plays throughout and big time , crunch time throws like against the Eagles abd Bears to Plaxico Buress ; and Mannignham etc.
My memories of Gaints game winning drives is of jones handing a ball off to Barkley and watching him break a defenders ankles and running 40 yards down the field. If he can't do that , they lose like they did to the Lions.
This!
I keep reading about all the game winning drives Jones has "led". I can remember only two; New Orleans last year and one this year. I don't remember who that was against this year, I think it was week 3 or 4.
As you noted, all but one of those game winning drives this year were due to Barkley ripping off some huge 4th quarter runs.
Wait. Are did you really just say that people can’t prove that Jones is playing with poor receivers? Holy shitballs.
What’s next, nobody can prove that the interior OL has played poorly? You are a complete assclown if you honestly think Jones hasn’t been affected by a horrific cast of characters they’re trotting out there every week. I’ve said it a million times that I don’t think Jones is the answer but you need to pull your head out of the sand. It’s ok to question Jones while also admitting his situation has been the worst in the league since he was drafted
So you're changing it now from "worst in the league" to "poor receivers?" It is really these broad generalizations that I know as some fan that only watches one team you have no idea what you're really talking about. Things like "worst receivers in the NFL" and "worst situation since drafted" or whatever.
The fact is you really don't know how much Jones is affecting his receivers. Toney shows up the Chiefs and puts up a TD and a 90 yard game but he didn't even feel like playing here. And I am not saying they are the best either or even the better WR corp in the NFL. But guess what ?? Who has that luxury?
Only a few lucky QBs like Tua or Jimmy Garapoulo that may not be all that great but are being carried. So freaking what? Some got lucky and some just drew an average to below average hand. Jones is no different in that regard than most other QBs.
Did Jared Goff get this awesome deal when he got traded to the Lions -- the worst freaking sports franchise in all of sports? I have seen a freaking near 40 CHad Powers play without a Beckham and put up respectable numbers all things considered with a worse oline; worse defense ; worse coaches. I have seen him win Championships with TEs that consisted of rookies ; total non NFL TEs like Larry Dornel; total disappointments like Evan Engram. So please spare me this Jones got such a raw deal here BS. Part of it is his fault.
Both extremes are so dug in, its really odd. Its pretty easy to see that Jones isn't a top tier QB but he's having a positive effect on the 2022 NY Giants, much more so than he ever has in the past. Why you guys won't play in the gray area is strange.
Jones is playing better than last year. However, I don't see him as having a positive effect. Rather, I see him as having less of a negative impact. With one exception, I don't think any of this year's victories are due to some Jones' heroics.
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worst case scenario, he falls back to earth he sucks and you get the #1 pick in the 2024 draft.
You can always move a veteran QB in a trade later. Look at Darnold/Rosen/Wentz.
What QB in in college right now really projects to be a franchise altering QB and is in range for Giants at what could be a mid round pick.
This is the question that never gets an answer.
No one here is qualified to answer that question.
They aren't qualified to give a fair and accurate evaluation of Jones either but that doesn't stop them.
You compare two qb's carrying their two minute offenses on their backs with one who is being carried on the back of his running back even during his "game winning drives". No wonder Barkley is exhausted. Apples and oranges.
That is your opinion and only an opinion. I think you'd better go back and watch those games because it was Jones that brought them down the field - one with Barkley in the locker room. That he had the help of Barkley is irrelevant because those two QBs have WRs that can actually get open and catch the ball. Should we exclude that from the reality?
Yes apples and oranges - I agree that those two QBs are better without question. But to say Barkley is the only reason they got the TDs is as bad as saying those two QBs did not need their WRs to get down the field.
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and now he is, that isn't notable? Other team's QB's get credit for it, why shouldn't ours? Its not playing a trump card, its stating a simple fact that he's a lot better this year and the wins are proving it. Is it sustainable? We will see.
Both extremes are so dug in, its really odd. Its pretty easy to see that Jones isn't a top tier QB but he's having a positive effect on the 2022 NY Giants, much more so than he ever has in the past. Why you guys won't play in the gray area is strange.
Jones is playing better than last year. However, I don't see him as having a positive effect. Rather, I see him as having less of a negative impact. With one exception, I don't think any of this year's victories are due to some Jones' heroics.
You are entitled to your opinion and don't really have much of a comment on it other than we must be watching different games. No impact on our victories? Lol, alright.
No one here a actually knows. I think Will Levis is a bum. I also thought Josh Allen could never be coached into throwing a football accurately. It doesn't matter what we think. If Daboll can get the best out of Jones there's everyone reason to trust he can identify a better option and maximize it.
Or also maybe not, and we have to wait for Maye next year.
If this was his third year, or the Giants picked up his option, I think most fans would be excited for what next year might show.
But that's not reality. He's a free agent and the Giants have to make an expensive choice, with extenuating circumstances.
If you believe the only viable replacement for Jones is a franchise QB, then you believe Jones is a franchise QB. And if you believe Jones is a franchise QB, you believe he deserves 40M a year. Because that's what they all make.
I think it's that simple.
ELi had so many game winning drives with memorable plays throughout and big time , crunch time throws like against the Eagles abd Bears to Plaxico Buress ; and Mannignham etc.
My memories of Gaints game winning drives is of jones handing a ball off to Barkley and watching him break a defenders ankles and running 40 yards down the field. If he can't do that , they lose like they did to the Lions.
Jones doesn't have these signature moments/plays that jump out at me either. In the Packers game, I remember the defensive stand at the end more than anything the offense did. In the Titans game, I remember the great SB run on the two-point conversion and the missed FG by Bullock. In the Ravens game, Jones did have a nice TD pass that cut the lead to 3, but the defense came up big on back-to-back drives that led to short fields for the offense.
To be fair, however, Jones does get credit for orchestrating the drive that led to points that put us ahead for good. And he did have good runs that helped keep the sticks moving.
But there are no moments where you go, "JFC, what a great throw by Jones...!"
Yeah, I don’t want to pay him $40m but he’s worth more than he’s being paid now, hence the gray area. And I actually think there’s a decent chance the WB market corrects a bit with so many blunder performances this year.
That is assuming there won't be a big, long-term deal out there for Jones.
"He's a bridge to the real future starter," the executive said.
Let me preface my thoughts by saying the 2nd half of the season presents a tougher schedule, I want to see it play out...
but in general I kinda agree with this 'executive',
whoever that guy is. I mean I don't think Jones is a long term solution. Of course they have not given him a lot of help around here as well. Between the O Line and receiver core, tough for a QB.
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Wait. Are did you really just say that people can’t prove that Jones is playing with poor receivers? Holy shitballs.
What’s next, nobody can prove that the interior OL has played poorly? You are a complete assclown if you honestly think Jones hasn’t been affected by a horrific cast of characters they’re trotting out there every week. I’ve said it a million times that I don’t think Jones is the answer but you need to pull your head out of the sand. It’s ok to question Jones while also admitting his situation has been the worst in the league since he was drafted
So you're changing it now from "worst in the league" to "poor receivers?" It is really these broad generalizations that I know as some fan that only watches one team you have no idea what you're really talking about. Things like "worst receivers in the NFL" and "worst situation since drafted" or whatever.
The fact is you really don't know how much Jones is affecting his receivers. Toney shows up the Chiefs and puts up a TD and a 90 yard game but he didn't even feel like playing here. And I am not saying they are the best either or even the better WR corp in the NFL. But guess what ?? Who has that luxury?
Only a few lucky QBs like Tua or Jimmy Garapoulo that may not be all that great but are being carried. So freaking what? Some got lucky and some just drew an average to below average hand. Jones is no different in that regard than most other QBs.
Did Jared Goff get this awesome deal when he got traded to the Lions -- the worst freaking sports franchise in all of sports? I have seen a freaking near 40 CHad Powers play without a Beckham and put up respectable numbers all things considered with a worse oline; worse defense ; worse coaches. I have seen him win Championships with TEs that consisted of rookies ; total non NFL TEs like Larry Dornel; total disappointments like Evan Engram. So please spare me this Jones got such a raw deal here BS. Part of it is his fault.
LOL - more of your narrative drivel...
Eli also had Plax. And Toomer. And Nicks. And Manningham. And Cruz. And Jacobs. And Bradshaw.
And double LOL that you are actually trying to argue the defenses during the two championship runs were worse than what Jones has had his entire career..
But carry on with your bullshit.
Would he do that elsewhere, depends on the type of offers that are out there. He might do it?
Oh yeah, my post above that should be receiver corps,
not core. What was I thinking?
I haven't seen him play, don't know much about him.
I just saw a quick shot on video, kid has good size...
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The only question is when is the future, and do they offer Jones a deal beyond this season based on him being the best bridge option for 2023. I really don't expect NYG to FT Jones. If they really feel he's worth the FT, then an extension should be completed.
Are you sure that bridge isn't named Tyrod Taylor?
I think Jones has shown enough so far to warrant the job over Taylor. One key will be do they have eyes on a UFA or college QB to move on and just turn the page. If not, then I'd have to think they would turn to Jones and try to negotiate a short contract to remain. But, then his agent could try and force Jones' way off the team for a better deal, etc. In the end, Taylor could wind up starting by default. Lots of moving parts next offseason.
I agree that Jones is probably better than Taylor, but has he shown enough to warrant it for $20+ million, or more, than Taylor makes next year? $20 million can be used to help build a pretty good roster. I'd take Taylor unless Jones wants to sign a 1 year, $15 million (or less) deal.
This has been a fun year. But championship contention is still 2-3 years out.
Hopefully there will be a guy we like at a place we can get him. Because you can't roll with placeholders at QB forever.
Hopefully there will be a guy we like at a place we can get him. Because you can't roll with placeholders at QB forever.
You do realize that the draft is 7 weeks after FA begins. What makes you think anyone you mentioned will be there in mid-May?
Or you just sign one of those guys anyway. The timing does make the negotiations tougher because it's not as clear that there is a full time starting job available. But there should be plenty of QBs of this caliber on the market. Some of them will want this job.
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LOL - more of your narrative drivel...
Eli also had Plax. And Toomer. And Nicks. And Manningham. And Cruz. And Jacobs. And Bradshaw.
And double LOL that you are actually trying to argue the defenses during the two championship runs were worse than what Jones has had his entire career..
But carry on with your bullshit.
You’re mixing and matching what I’m saying. The point I was making is that Eli always put up respectable numbers ; even in back half of his career post 2011 and with a Beckham on the sidelines. And what Ahmad Bradshaw was this amazing back? Brandon jacobs was this amazing running back? Mario manningghan isn’t getting fitted for a good jacket any time soon either.
But you go on with your bulls hit that jones isn’t some scrub but it’s everyone else’s fault
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LOL - more of your narrative drivel...
Eli also had Plax. And Toomer. And Nicks. And Manningham. And Cruz. And Jacobs. And Bradshaw.
And double LOL that you are actually trying to argue the defenses during the two championship runs were worse than what Jones has had his entire career..
But carry on with your bullshit.
You’re mixing and matching what I’m saying. The point I was making is that Eli always put up respectable numbers ; even in back half of his career post 2011 and with a Beckham on the sidelines. And what Ahmad Bradshaw was this amazing back? Brandon jacobs was this amazing running back? Mario manningghan isn’t getting fitted for a good jacket any time soon either.
But you go on with your bulls hit that jones isn’t some scrub but it’s everyone else’s fault
Neither Bradshaw or Jacobs is Barkley, but together they may be better because they offered a 1-2 punch and a rest period for the other without much lost on the field.
Diminishing Eli's receivers is just disingenuous. The Giants now have no one that comes close to that group - Manningham was the #3 WR in that group and is probably better than Slayton.
But, you know, carry one with your diatribe.
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LOL - more of your narrative drivel...
Eli also had Plax. And Toomer. And Nicks. And Manningham. And Cruz. And Jacobs. And Bradshaw.
And double LOL that you are actually trying to argue the defenses during the two championship runs were worse than what Jones has had his entire career..
But carry on with your bullshit.
You’re mixing and matching what I’m saying. The point I was making is that Eli always put up respectable numbers ; even in back half of his career post 2011 and with a Beckham on the sidelines. And what Ahmad Bradshaw was this amazing back? Brandon jacobs was this amazing running back? Mario manningghan isn’t getting fitted for a good jacket any time soon either.
But you go on with your bulls hit that jones isn’t some scrub but it’s everyone else’s fault
Neither Bradshaw or Jacobs is Barkley, but together they may be better because they offered a 1-2 punch and a rest period for the other without much lost on the field.
Diminishing Eli's receivers is just disingenuous. The Giants now have no one that comes close to that group - Manningham was the #3 WR in that group and is probably better than Slayton.
But, you know, carry one with your diatribe.
Good post
middle of the road, having overpaid for Jones, and out of reach of the good QB prospects, is the worst case scenario.
FatMan said it a couple of years ago: QB hell is not having a QB that sucks. QB hell is having a mediocre QB not quite good enough, but showing enough to sucker you into spending a couple more years with him. That's the territory Jones is flirting with.
Those of us who hold this view wanted Jones to surge out of that hell territory. Unfortunately, he's showing signs that he might be above that, leaving us wondering if that's good enough to stick with him.