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The more minutes Thibs trusts him with.

Grimes a pleasure to watch, he does do many things so well

that we need a 2 or 3 for 1 type trade to clear out space for some of the key younger players like Grimes and Sims that have to play. I'm gonna go glass half full here. I definitely would have made the Mitchell trade this summer with what was discussed in offers. However a lot of people say we're stuck in no mans land- not good enough to be a top contender, but not bad enough to get a high lottery pick. I disagree. We have a bunch of nice young pieces along with some vets that can play. Brunson is a borderline star PG. I'd be fine with moving Randle in a perfect world, I just think its near impossible. If we ever could move him it would give a path to start Obi and give Hart and Sims backup minutes at the 4. No Man's land is a roster that is stagnant, with little assets to move. We are in much better shape than that.

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that we need a 2 or 3 for 1 type trade to clear out space for some of the key younger players like Grimes and Sims that have to play. I'm gonna go glass half full here. I definitely would have made the Mitchell trade this summer with what was discussed in offers. However a lot of people say we're stuck in no mans land- not good enough to be a top contender, but not bad enough to get a high lottery pick. I disagree. We have a bunch of nice young pieces along with some vets that can play. Brunson is a borderline star PG. I'd be fine with moving Randle in a perfect world, I just think its near impossible. If we ever could move him it would give a path to start Obi and give Hart and Sims backup minutes at the 4. No Man's land is a roster that is stagnant, with little assets to move. We are in much better shape than that.

No man-land just means not a championship contender and not a tank team, this team is right there but we do have a ton of opportunities available, just need to pull the trigger in the future because I am with you I would have made the Mitchell trade too.
There is young talent on this team, I worry they are hoarding assets and won't make the roster consolidation in the hope a superstar comes available but I am more positive after this road trip and getting to see the younger players play

average on offense and his defense and rebounding aren't good enough for a starting pf.

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average on offense and his defense and rebounding aren't good enough for a starting pf.

Obi has a chance now to prove his talent level....so far he has not lived up to it..
Maybe just maybe Thibs knows what he is doing???
i know that is verbotten here but Thibs sees these guys every day in practice....we don't

But there definitely is something to be said for the stability we've seen the past 3 seasons. Of course one way to build is get lucky in the lottery and land a generational talent or do it the Laker way and have great player gravitate towards you through trades/free agency. However we are doing it the slower way and that's fine too. I agree that the fear is there that we're hoarding assets and that Rose has shown he doesn't have guts to pull the trigger. That's the one big worry.

when he's on the court.

But his offense consists of "fast break open dunk" or "please don't shoot that 3". To be fair, he's been a better 3 point shooter.

But right now, he's a less polished Blake Griffin.

but up until that point he was on fire almost shooting 50% from 3.
I think with consistent minutes and rotation he would show Obi's true skill set he plays scared sometimes and I think that comes with a lack of patience from Thibs.
I think that is Quickley's problem too.

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The more minutes Thibs trusts him with. Grimes a pleasure to watch, he does do many things so well

I actually don't think Sims is raw in every sense of the word. Can he shoot or score anything but a dunk. No. That's a fair criticism. But neither can Mitch. What Sims does better than Mitch is switch to and effectively guard smaller people. He also screens and rolls well.

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In comment 15917758 steve in ky said: Quote: The more minutes Thibs trusts him with. Grimes a pleasure to watch, he does do many things so well I actually don't think Sims is raw in every sense of the word. Can he shoot or score anything but a dunk. No. That's a fair criticism. But neither can Mitch. What Sims does better than Mitch is switch to and effectively guard smaller people. He also screens and rolls well.

I know it came about only because Mitch's knee was barking, but 16 minutes each at C for Mitch, Hart and Sims isn't bad in my view. No foul trouble worries and it allows for high energy. Probably won't happen though.

I liked last night's lineup. What happens when Cam returns, though? And is Rose going to sit now?

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when he's on the court. But his offense consists of "fast break open dunk" or "please don't shoot that 3". To be fair, he's been a better 3 point shooter. But right now, he's a less polished Blake Griffin.

He's actually been a fantastic 3 point shooter. And his game is way more than just fast breaks and 3s but that isn't what Thibs runs. Obi can put the ball in the basket multiple ways but he is basically asked to stand in the corner of the court.

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In comment 15917758 steve in ky said: Quote: The more minutes Thibs trusts him with. Grimes a pleasure to watch, he does do many things so well I actually don't think Sims is raw in every sense of the word. Can he shoot or score anything but a dunk. No. That's a fair criticism. But neither can Mitch. What Sims does better than Mitch is switch to and effectively guard smaller people. He also screens and rolls well.

He is what he is and I wasn’t talking about his shooting. It wasn’t long ago he looked lost, always out of position and falling for every fake and committing stupid fouls. Now he playing much better defense, not fouling as much and is very active on the boards.the difference from where he was to where is is at is dramatic.

In comment 15917907 steve in ky said:

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In comment 15917863 NYG22 said: Quote: In comment 15917758 steve in ky said: Quote: The more minutes Thibs trusts him with. Grimes a pleasure to watch, he does do many things so well I actually don't think Sims is raw in every sense of the word. Can he shoot or score anything but a dunk. No. That's a fair criticism. But neither can Mitch. What Sims does better than Mitch is switch to and effectively guard smaller people. He also screens and rolls well. He is what he is and I wasn’t talking about his shooting. It wasn’t long ago he looked lost, always out of position and falling for every fake and committing stupid fouls. Now he playing much better defense, not fouling as much and is very active on the boards.the difference from where he was to where is is at is dramatic.

That's what comes with playing time he has the talent and skill set but it takes playing time to get in the flow.
Mitch was a foul machine his first 2 years but he learned to play in the NBA. IMO Sims is further ahead than Mitch was when he came in

and he aint built like Wes Unseld,so i doubt he can handle the first string duties of the 5 position.....too slow to be a 4.
What do you all see as a realistic ceiling for this guy?

And 7’4” wingspan

So he was always going to be a project because with those numbers if he had even the slightest degree of basketball skill he would’ve been a top pick in the draft

I do not think he will ever be a star but he will be a very high-quality rotational guy for a number of years

He can guard the swing 5 and still guard the rim.
I think he can be a solid 5 and good rotation player.
Not too many true centers anymore that play with their backs to the rim

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and he aint built like Wes Unseld,so i doubt he can handle the first string duties of the 5 position.....too slow to be a 4. What do you all see as a realistic ceiling for this guy?

Disagree that he’s “too slow to be a 4”. Here he is guarding Jamal Murray on the perimeter:


Sims defense - ( New Window )

But the first unit needs more high IQ players like Grimes who don't just defend but also move the ball and move without the ball.

In comment 15918010 larryflower37 said:

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In comment 15917907 steve in ky said: Quote: In comment 15917863 NYG22 said: Quote: In comment 15917758 steve in ky said: Quote: The more minutes Thibs trusts him with. Grimes a pleasure to watch, he does do many things so well I actually don't think Sims is raw in every sense of the word. Can he shoot or score anything but a dunk. No. That's a fair criticism. But neither can Mitch. What Sims does better than Mitch is switch to and effectively guard smaller people. He also screens and rolls well. He is what he is and I wasn’t talking about his shooting. It wasn’t long ago he looked lost, always out of position and falling for every fake and committing stupid fouls. Now he playing much better defense, not fouling as much and is very active on the boards.the difference from where he was to where is is at is dramatic. That's what comes with playing time he has the talent and skill set but it takes playing time to get in the flow. Mitch was a foul machine his first 2 years but he learned to play in the NBA. IMO Sims is further ahead than Mitch was when he came in

Exactly and why it bugs me when people insist Thibs never plays young guys. He’s proven time and time again that he will play certain young inexperienced players, people just complain when it’s not every player they want to see play more.

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The Knicks churned the 19th selection in 2021 into a future first-rounder because, at the time, they believed the hopes and dreams that draft picks represent would be more attractive in a trade for a star than the certainty of an actual human, which is what they would have had if they’d drafted at No. 19. According to sources around the league, the Knicks have targeted a future first-round pick in a return for Quickley, who is extension-eligible this upcoming summer.

Doesn't say much otherwise except they want to continue to build assets for a star trade
The athletic pay wall - ( New Window )

shoot the messenger but I've been told they are "monitoring" KAT and the Wolves in general.

Never forget the mission.

The New York Knicks want to trade for a star. Not sign one. Not increase their chances of drafting one. They want to trade for one and then trade for another.

Make sure to assess the front office within that context.

I don't doubt they would want Kat and Minnesota might move him after their little experiment didn't do what they expected

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shoot the messenger but I've been told they are "monitoring" KAT and the Wolves in general.

UGH

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In comment 15918229 DanMetroMan said: Quote: shoot the messenger but I've been told they are "monitoring" KAT and the Wolves in general. UGH

Don't worry. It's the Knicks. It's a rites of passage to have these rumors. Nothing ever happens. Ever

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In comment 15918237 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 15918229 DanMetroMan said: Quote: shoot the messenger but I've been told they are "monitoring" KAT and the Wolves in general. UGH Don't worry. It's the Knicks. It's a rites of passage to have these rumors. Nothing ever happens. Ever

i hate Towns

So it won't happen until the off-season at best

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shoot the messenger but I've been told they are "monitoring" KAT and the Wolves in general.

There aren't many star bigs I have ever trusted LESS than Kat. But maybe Thibs and/or MSG and this front office could get the most out of him. I'm scared of him though. Doesn't seem to be a guy you want to hitch the entire wagon to.

Especially coming off the horrible home loss to OKC. Seems like this team is going to have tons of ups and downs that produce a team that is 5 games from .500 either way. Kind of wild to see what they can do at times. If they can find consistency then they might end up being pretty good though!

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In comment 15918229 DanMetroMan said: Quote: shoot the messenger but I've been told they are "monitoring" KAT and the Wolves in general. There aren't many star bigs I have ever trusted LESS than Kat. But maybe Thibs and/or MSG and this front office could get the most out of him. I'm scared of him though. Doesn't seem to be a guy you want to hitch the entire wagon to.

He would definitely be an upgrade so it really comes down to what they have to give up to get him. If it’s reasonable then it could be a good move, if they trade away their future in order to get him, then not so much

Rj nice bounce back game, effecient, maybe thia can be the stsrt of a good stretch..

This team offensively when Rj and Randle are effecient are very hard to defend..Brunson you know is going tk be effecient 95% of the time, if Rj and Randle are there with them they can win some games..

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Rj nice bounce back game, effecient, maybe thia can be the stsrt of a good stretch.. This team offensively when Rj and Randle are effecient are very hard to defend..Brunson you know is going tk be effecient 95% of the time, if Rj and Randle are there with them they can win some games..

And as Grimes get more into game shape, he’s an offense threat as well. The future actually looks bright

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In comment 15918319 nygiants16 said: Quote: Rj nice bounce back game, effecient, maybe thia can be the stsrt of a good stretch.. This team offensively when Rj and Randle are effecient are very hard to defend..Brunson you know is going tk be effecient 95% of the time, if Rj and Randle are there with them they can win some games.. And as Grimes get more into game shape, he’s an offense threat as well. The future actually looks bright

I know Grimes didnt shoot well but him attacking the basket the way he did is very encouraging because when he was drasfted, that was the knock

is why this will always be vastly different than prior Knicks teams or regimes that flirted with 500. I always look forward to watching the Knicks because of all the players that carry intrigue where as in year's past I (we) were merely watching the uniform. If they can win 46+ it would be one of the most enjoyable seasons we have seen over the last 20 years.

Still want that quantity for quality trade to be made, but we're gonna have to be patient and just hope the team plays well.

Do you see him as a future All-Star?

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Do you see him as a future All-Star?

The Knick he reminds me of most is Cazzie Russell, who had a long and solid NBA career but only was an All-Star once. I could see RJ having a very good year along the way and making an All-Star team, but if were only once in his career that wouldn't surprise me either.

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In comment 15918403 AG5686 said: Quote: Do you see him as a future All-Star? The Knick he reminds me of most is Cazzie Russell, who had a long and solid NBA career but only was an All-Star once. I could see RJ having a very good year along the way and making an All-Star team, but if were only once in his career that wouldn't surprise me either.

Good Call....Cazzie Russell....haven't heard that name in a long time,he was before my time,but of course I have seen footage of him as a Knick

I watched the condensed game this morning; couple of thoughts:

1) Brunson...what a great signing. Loved it in the moment, love it on 11/22.
2) I know he gets a ton of grief, but I'm still an IQ fan. I wouldn't move him unless we get a Godfather offer.
3) That was the best game I've seen of RJ this season. I don't know if the stats back it up, but he was damn good last night.

9-9 after what looked like a possible brutal road trip. Back home vs. Blazers on Black Friday. I'll be in the house. Hitting up either Legends or Smithfield Hall for USA-England & then walking-stumbling?-over to MSG. LFG!

Didn’t get along in Minny
So if they trade for KAT in the summer of 2023 you can be sure Thibs won’t be there

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In comment 15918476 Del Shofner said: Quote: In comment 15918403 AG5686 said: Quote: Do you see him as a future All-Star? The Knick he reminds me of most is Cazzie Russell, who had a long and solid NBA career but only was an All-Star once. I could see RJ having a very good year along the way and making an All-Star team, but if were only once in his career that wouldn't surprise me either. Good Call....Cazzie Russell....haven't heard that name in a long time,he was before my time,but of course I have seen footage of him as a Knick

Cazzie was picked #1 overall, RJ #3 overall, very similar in size and role on the team, and to some extent skillset. Maybe RJ looks to be a scorer a little more than Cazzie did. Of course Cazzie had Willis, Clyde et al. as his teammates.

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In comment 15918483 AG5686 said: Quote: In comment 15918476 Del Shofner said: Quote: In comment 15918403 AG5686 said: Quote: Do you see him as a future All-Star? The Knick he reminds me of most is Cazzie Russell, who had a long and solid NBA career but only was an All-Star once. I could see RJ having a very good year along the way and making an All-Star team, but if were only once in his career that wouldn't surprise me either. Good Call....Cazzie Russell....haven't heard that name in a long time,he was before my time,but of course I have seen footage of him as a Knick Cazzie was picked #1 overall, RJ #3 overall, very similar in size and role on the team, and to some extent skillset. Maybe RJ looks to be a scorer a little more than Cazzie did. Of course Cazzie had Willis, Clyde et al. as his teammates.

Cazzie took Michigan to the final four,if memory serves...1965?maybeeeee

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Didn’t get along in Minny So if they trade for KAT in the summer of 2023 you can be sure Thibs won’t be there

I thought this past offseason they said they would be open to working together again

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In comment 15918240 LawrenceTaylor56 said: Quote: In comment 15918237 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 15918229 DanMetroMan said: Quote: shoot the messenger but I've been told they are "monitoring" KAT and the Wolves in general. UGH Don't worry. It's the Knicks. It's a rites of passage to have these rumors. Nothing ever happens. Ever i hate Towns

People think they can’t stand watching Randle, let’s see how they feel having to watch Towns. Yuck

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I watched the condensed game this morning; couple of thoughts: 1) Brunson...what a great signing. Loved it in the moment, love it on 11/22. 2) I know he gets a ton of grief, but I'm still an IQ fan. I wouldn't move him unless we get a Godfather offer. 3) That was the best game I've seen of RJ this season. I don't know if the stats back it up, but he was damn good last night. 9-9 after what looked like a possible brutal road trip. Back home vs. Blazers on Black Friday. I'll be in the house. Hitting up either Legends or Smithfield Hall for USA-England & then walking-stumbling?-over to MSG. LFG!

Brunson has been grrrrreat
IQ has potential and I would want alot in return for him...he can play in this league.
RJ was fantastic last night,I know he was sick,but i also think he has been nursing a knee injury too

are about to lose to a Philly team without Embiid, Harden and Maxey.

He's one of the most naturally talented offensive big men I've ever seen, but I can't support the Knicks going all in on Towns. There is just a recipe for disaster with him in NYC.

With that said, what is the next realistic star that is available in a trade?

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He's one of the most naturally talented offensive big men I've ever seen, but I can't support the Knicks going all in on Towns. There is just a recipe for disaster with him in NYC. With that said, what is the next realistic star that is available in a trade?

I think the hope was that the SGA situation would turn in the Knicks favor, but it is starting to look like that ship has sailed. Looking around the league, I think the teams that stand out in terms of potentially deciding to blow things up if the season doesn't turn around would be the Wolves as you mentioned, the Lakers obviously, and maybe the Bulls.

I think its been discussed pretty thoroughly the pros/cons of an Anthony Davis move, but what about LaVine from Chicago? The Bulls have a lot of money tied up into a core that really doesn't seem like it has a path to be any better than the play in. I believe Vucevic is a free agent after this season, and DeRozan after next year. They are kind of in limbo until after that point, so does it make sense to just wait it out for two years or do they decide they are better off trying to move LaVine for a boat load of assets? If they are still hovering at the bottom of the East as it gets closer to the deadline, I wouldn't be surprised to start hearing rumors about potential shake ups there.

I’m not sure you would want to mortgage too much of your assets if trying got him.

with Lebron out.
the last 4 games
37 PTS, 21 REB, 5 BLK, 64% FG
30 PTS, 18 REB, 3 STL, 63% FG
38 PTS, 16 REB, 4 BLK, 62% FG
37 PTS, 18 REB, 2 AST, 60% FG

If he could stay healthy I would still make a move for him over Kat

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with Lebron out. the last 4 games 37 PTS, 21 REB, 5 BLK, 64% FG 30 PTS, 18 REB, 3 STL, 63% FG 38 PTS, 16 REB, 4 BLK, 62% FG 37 PTS, 18 REB, 2 AST, 60% FG If he could stay healthy I would still make a move for him over Kat

Same here.

0-5, with losses to Bellarmine, Wright State, and Appy State. Last two losses were to Arkansas, 80-54, and Texas Tech, 70-38.

Mind blowingly bad.

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0-5, with losses to Bellarmine, Wright State, and Appy State. Last two losses were to Arkansas, 80-54, and Texas Tech, 70-38. Mind blowingly bad.

Transfer portal and first recruiting class, it's hard to restart a program now even Louisville unless you have a name kids know

sounds like each game has been a nail-biter. Still, it's Mike Anderson's best collection of talent so far, now that he's had a few years.

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I’m not sure you would want to mortgage too much of your assets if trying got him.

He was banged up to start the season. Donovan benched him the other night in the 4th during a close game vs. Orlando.

Health provided, AD is VASTLY superior to KAT. The problem is health with AD.

Its Luka every single time down the court and they are struggiling

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Its Luka every single time down the court and they are struggiling

Still can’t believe we got brunson from Dallas. I know brunson sort of plays the same position as doncic, maybe, but they coexisted just fine and would have been just fine together going forward. Somehow we got him here — never happens for the Knicks…..finally it did. I always believed Cuban would eclipse our offer. He didn’t.

Another day, another blowout loss, this time to Cincinnati

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Its Luka every single time down the court and they are struggiling

He was already ridiculously ball dominant before, and now they have zero talent capable of swinging a game other than Luka himself.

Mark Cuban doesn't get any flack for his poor team builds.

Generational talent supported by nothing part II.

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In comment 15919422 nygiants16 said: Quote: Its Luka every single time down the court and they are struggiling He was already ridiculously ball dominant before, and now they have zero talent capable of swinging a game other than Luka himself. Mark Cuban doesn't get any flack for his poor team builds. Generational talent supported by nothing part II.

Yuo they have dinwiddie but he onoy handkes when Luka is off the court..

Christian Wood is akready dissapointed with his role..

They have a rim runner and 3 shooters around Doncic, its very predictable

In one interview I read Cuban sounded like he wasn’t terribly upset to lose Brunson. I got the impression he knew becoming a Knick was a lifelong dream of Brunson’s and didn’t want to stand in his way if he didn’t want to remain a Maverick.

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Forget he is only 23 and still could develop into a decent wing