It seems my assessment of Jones from my couch was off base. The two picks really hurt.
As for Sy’s closing remark, any “progress” made could potentially *not* include Jones & Barkley going forward who are both pending free agents. That’s why it’s such a unique situation.
review. I agree it was mistake to use Jackson on PRs. They should also use Breida more, especially given our lack of WRs.
This team had a small margin for error that injuries have now completely eliminated. I expect a lot of losses as we finish out the season. The team is playing hard, but we simply don't have the talent to withstand this many injuries. I think five players have now torn their ACLs, and others (Neal, Jackson, Robinson), have MCL injuries.
Sounds like there was not an entity in Blue that was prepared for Sunday, including the coaching staff. Detroit is a vastly improved team.
Kafka has got to shake things up. Game after game running Barkley into the wall was not going to work all season. Kafka seems reluctant to get things going in the 1st half. Somehow he has to get Cager and/or Golladay behind the 9 in the box.
For all you BBIers who say "You Can't Coach Scared"
in light of Adoree Jackson injury, I invite you to read these remarks from Sy'56:
"If NYG wanted to put a premium playmaker in the return game, why not put Saquon Barkley back there? Because you don’t want him getting hurt. Then why put Adoree’ Jackson, who in my opinion was the most important player on defense, in that role? This coaching staff has been amazing from the start and Daboll is in the running for Coach of the Year. But that was the wrong move and they’re going to pay for it."
Sounds like there was not an entity in Blue that was prepared for Sunday, including the coaching staff. Detroit is a vastly improved team.
Kafka has got to shake things up. Game after game running Barkley into the wall was not going to work all season. Kafka seems reluctant to get things going in the 1st half. Somehow he has to get Cager and/or Golladay behind the 9 in the box.
Yea, missing that game was not a bad thing to do! On the Giants very first play from scrimmage, Barkley got nailed in the backfield. I believe that one was on Shane Lemieux, who got rag-dolled by Alim McNeill. In fact, McNeill made Lemieux look ugly all day long. In any event, after Barkley got stoned at the start of the game, he looked like he didn't want to carry the ball again.
good stuff Sy. Another weekly BBI thread that I am thankful
Sounds like there was not an entity in Blue that was prepared for Sunday, including the coaching staff. Detroit is a vastly improved team.
Kafka has got to shake things up. Game after game running Barkley into the wall was not going to work all season. Kafka seems reluctant to get things going in the 1st half. Somehow he has to get Cager and/or Golladay behind the 9 in the box.
Yea, missing that game was not a bad thing to do! On the Giants very first play from scrimmage, Barkley got nailed in the backfield. I believe that one was on Shane Lemieux, who got rag-dolled by Alim McNeill. In fact, McNeill made Lemieux look ugly all day long. In any event, after Barkley got stoned at the start of the game, he looked like he didn't want to carry the ball again.
Could be that shoulder is beyond sore.
I would like to see some Brightwell too.
I was very disappointed in the play calling in this game
I think the QB sneak was open so much in the game and not used effectively. Barkley was getting blown up left and right and I saw Jones with several opportunities to keep in for big gains and it was not utilized till late. Is that on Jones or Kafka?
Losing WanDale is a big loss but just looking at him on the field and how small he is Im still wondering if the 2nd round was too early to take that gamble. It seemed like every game he played he was injured in some wayand now with the ACL we may never see the player he was supposed to be again. Im not expecting anything out of this player going forward which is unfortunate. His game relies on his legs and even if he does come back next season, the impact will probably be minimal. I feel bad for the kid. This team has had the worst luck at the WR position. Next season we need need a whole new unit from top to bottom, Id get rid of them all and hope forRobinson in 2024.
RE: good stuff Sy. Another weekly BBI thread that I am thankful
Interesting take on the DAL game. Stranger things have happened.
Victor in CT -- someone on another thread said the same thing more-or-less. I responded to that with the following:
After a Dallas HUGE blow-out of Minny... and the Lions beat-down of the Giants... I can see where you are coming from. Sorta an unexpected reversal of fortune... a let down by the favorite and the over-performance of the angry underdog. I've seen it before, have seen it over 60 years of watching NFL football. So, it can happen. That said, it's hard to envision such a scenario with a defense that may have more holes in its dike than Wink has fingers.
are the ones who bashed anyone (myself included) that questioned Barkley's play this past Sunday. i said more than once that Barkley was not running the same way as he had been and that he was the cause of a few negative plays, as he slowly went towards the line and did the turn his back and just give up on the "forward" attempt at contact.
The offensive line was not good, there is no doubt about that BUT, Breida played better than Barkley and was attacking far harder than Barkley was.
**BTW the Lions and their Oline build might be a great example of why you don't spend BIG $$$ on a Running Back.
RE: RE: good stuff Sy. Another weekly BBI thread that I am thankful
Interesting take on the DAL game. Stranger things have happened.
Victor in CT -- someone on another thread said the same thing more-or-less. I responded to that with the following:
After a Dallas HUGE blow-out of Minny... and the Lions beat-down of the Giants... I can see where you are coming from. Sorta an unexpected reversal of fortune... a let down by the favorite and the over-performance of the angry underdog. I've seen it before, have seen it over 60 years of watching NFL football. So, it can happen. That said, it's hard to envision such a scenario with a defense that may have more holes in its dike than Wink has fingers.
Yes it's not impossible. I actually thanked my Vikes fan friend for them making DAL overconfident LOL!
I was actually worried about this game from the moment McKinney got hurt. You could see it in the Texans game that the 2ndary was not nearly as tight.
Seems so out of character for the quality decision making we have seen thus far from Daboll. Especially after losing McKinney! How is it possible he would put at unnecessary risk his best defensive back? Such a catastrophic unforced error. And his defensive response when asked the question as to why was not terribly satisfying either and reminiscent of the lack of candor from our previous coaching regime.
Should the Giants not make the playoffs, the galactically stupid dereliction of duty by McKinney and the unfathomable decision to have Jackson returning punts will be significant reasons why. Any success this team has had in the first half of the season has been dependent on a quality bend but don't break defense. It simply has not looked the same these past two weeks, notwithstanding the win against the lowly Texans. I suspect they will struggle in the coming weeks given the schedule difficulty, putting that much more unneeded pressure on the offense.
I love your optimism Sy about Thursday, but if the defense plays like it did Sunday, the Giants will get blown out...
seeing more carries in that game the way Barkley looked after carrying the team the previous week. I am not sure it would've mattered in the end with how the line played, then again, we were down just 12 at one point and maybe we are sustaining more drive early. Coaches fucked that up, hopefully they learn that Barkley being super man doesn't make him the man of steel.
I am curious what went into the decision to start shane lemieux. Did he really look that much better in practice or were they trying to give the line a jolt?
As Sy said, the AJ punt return decision was boneheaded. Two big mistakes from the staff right there. Not down on them, just gotta call it like we see it.
Kellen Moore is going to have fun game planning against our LB group
Seems so out of character for the quality decision making we have seen thus far from Daboll. Especially after losing McKinney! How is it possible he would put at unnecessary risk his best defensive back? Such a catastrophic unforced error. And his defensive response when asked the question as to why was not terribly satisfying either and reminiscent of the lack of candor from our previous coaching regime.
Should the Giants not make the playoffs, the galactically stupid dereliction of duty by McKinney and the unfathomable decision to have Jackson returning punts will be significant reasons why. Any success this team has had in the first half of the season has been dependent on a quality bend but don't break defense. It simply has not looked the same these past two weeks, notwithstanding the win against the lowly Texans. I suspect they will struggle in the coming weeks given the schedule difficulty, putting that much more unneeded pressure on the offense.
I love your optimism Sy about Thursday, but if the defense plays like it did Sunday, the Giants will get blown out...
Seems so out of character for the quality decision making we have seen thus far from Daboll. Especially after losing McKinney! How is it possible he would put at unnecessary risk his best defensive back? Such a catastrophic unforced error. And his defensive response when asked the question as to why was not terribly satisfying either and reminiscent of the lack of candor from our previous coaching regime.
Should the Giants not make the playoffs, the galactically stupid dereliction of duty by McKinney and the unfathomable decision to have Jackson returning punts will be significant reasons why.
Hindsight is 20/20 but its quite possibly the worst coaching decision he has made thus far. We weren't relying on a dynamic return game so we really just needed a guy to fair catch punts.
That and McKinney's stupidity cost us a few games for sure. Ultimately this team isn't winning the super bowl either way so hopefully the mistakes are good learning experiences for coach and player.
I may be wrong, but I think Dallas will have a slight let down and the Giants need to get back on their horse. That said, I cannot see Dallas losing a Thanksgiving game against a Division opponent on National TV. They’re just too talented and we’re playing third stringers now! Stranger things have happened but I wouldn’t take the Vegas odds on this one either.
The photo for the review reminded me what a big play that was
Do I get an apology for the sarcastic tone I got, when I suggested Glowinski should be benched for Bredeson?
Glowinski should not be benched for Bredeson. No way.
What about for Lemieux? I say no, but wonder if that's an option. I want Ezeudu to stick at LG because I think he's going to be there for a long while.
Do I get an apology for the sarcastic tone I got, when I suggested Glowinski should be benched for Bredeson?
Glowinski should not be benched for Bredeson. No way.
What about for Lemieux? I say no, but wonder if that's an option. I want Ezeudu to stick at LG because I think he's going to be there for a long while.
Yes please!! I think and have thought that Lemieux is awful.
I thought SB might be a little worn down and agree he had a very big workload the previous week.
Good news it was not Williams or Dex who were big reasons for the faulty run D. I was concerned with Dex's back.
I pretty much said the same thing regarding the Jackson decision. Mind boggling considering already losing X and the other corner spot already losing a starter.
Sounds like there was not an entity in Blue that was prepared for Sunday, including the coaching staff. Detroit is a vastly improved team.
Kafka has got to shake things up. Game after game running Barkley into the wall was not going to work all season. Kafka seems reluctant to get things going in the 1st half. Somehow he has to get Cager and/or Golladay behind the 9 in the box.
I don't know if I would say they weren't prepared. They looked good until the Hutchinson INT. They never rebounded after that.
I feel like I was the only person here for the last couple of days who saw both of those picks as bad plays by Jones. The first everyone has been writing off as a great play by Hutchinson. But, it was a zone blitz they have run before and not only did Jones not recognize it, but he threw it right to Hutchinson who was in his direct line of sight.
The second was a bad throw. I thought it was a great call and a great read. It was 4th and 5, but they had a receiver OPEN deep. Jones missed him badly, taking a great opportunity for points off the board.
Sounds like there was not an entity in Blue that was prepared for Sunday, including the coaching staff. Detroit is a vastly improved team.
Kafka has got to shake things up. Game after game running Barkley into the wall was not going to work all season. Kafka seems reluctant to get things going in the 1st half. Somehow he has to get Cager and/or Golladay behind the 9 in the box.
I don't know if I would say they weren't prepared. They looked good until the Hutchinson INT. They never rebounded after that.
So 1 INT derailed an entire game plan. Down 10-6?(If I have the sequence correct)
INTs happen. Yes the Jones has had very few this year, but they happen to most teams. They need to get past that.
We were pissed at Garrett's vanilla plans. Yes they have had decent success of Barkley's running and some nice runs by Jones. But now that game plan is shot and it really has been since Seattle.
It should be interesting to see what they do now. It will be quite difficult to win now unless Kafka can get some early passing successes.
1) I agree this was a game where more Breida would have been in order. I also agree, moving forward, we should see a lot more sets with both Barkley and Breida on the field at the same time. That has almost always resulted in a positive play thus far. It lends itself to a lot of misdirection and guessing because both are threats to run the ball or catch it, both can split wide, and both can motion and still be effective.
2) I thought that Ximines roughing penalty was one of the turning points. Those 3 points that followed were big, especially with our 2 missed PATs. In his short career, he has a bad history of stupid penalties like this.
3) I also agree with you about TE. I loved the Bellinger pick and like it even more with him on the field. I hope he's back Thursday. They need him. But, there really was nothing behind him. TE needs to be addressed this off season.
4) ILB is a huge problem. It is a big reason we are getting gashed by the run.
5) The pass rush has also been a big problem. I don't know why, but I have a gut feeling Thanksgiving is the game we see a break out performance by KT. We need it and we need Ojulari back.
6) Ezeudu needs to start the rest of the way. He is the best LG on the team, is getting better, and is the one most likely to start next year. He solves both the short term and long term need, in my opinion. Don't confuse this with thinking he is better than the reality. I recognize he is an average OL right now. But, the rest of the options are not even that.
I feel like I was the only person here for the last couple of days who saw both of those picks as bad plays by Jones. The first everyone has been writing off as a great play by Hutchinson. But, it was a zone blitz they have run before and not only did Jones not recognize it, but he threw it right to Hutchinson who was in his direct line of sight.
The second was a bad throw. I thought it was a great call and a great read. It was 4th and 5, but they had a receiver OPEN deep. Jones missed him badly, taking a great opportunity for points off the board.
The 2nd INT was awful. The one to Hutchinson, he probably should not have thrown that but what other DE makes that catch? That was in no way shape or form a gimme INT. Hutchinson made a hell of a play there.
but Hutchinson made a very nice play. I did not realize he was 6'7" either. I wonder if Detroit scouted something and knew that play and Jones got baited.
I feel like I was the only person here for the last couple of days who saw both of those picks as bad plays by Jones. The first everyone has been writing off as a great play by Hutchinson. But, it was a zone blitz they have run before and not only did Jones not recognize it, but he threw it right to Hutchinson who was in his direct line of sight.
The second was a bad throw. I thought it was a great call and a great read. It was 4th and 5, but they had a receiver OPEN deep. Jones missed him badly, taking a great opportunity for points off the board.
The 2nd INT was awful. The one to Hutchinson, he probably should not have thrown that but what other DE makes that catch? That was in no way shape or form a gimme INT. Hutchinson made a hell of a play there.
Nobody said it was a gimme. But, when a tall defender is in the QBs direct line of sight to the intended receiver, it's generally not a good idea for the QB to make that throw.
but Hutchinson made a very nice play. I did not realize he was 6'7" either. I wonder if Detroit scouted something and knew that play and Jones got baited.
Apparently, Detroit will drop Hutch in a zone once in a while. And while I'm clearly not fond of Jones as a long-term solution at QB, I think you have to give credit to Hutch (and the staff) for making a terrific play.
Furthermore, that ball was not thrown right to Hutch. He had to leap up and actually make a terrific grab. I've seen that play now from two field level angles and it was simply a high level play.
So, I'm less willing to kill Jones on that decision.
but Hutchinson made a very nice play. I did not realize he was 6'7" either. I wonder if Detroit scouted something and knew that play and Jones got baited.
Apparently, Detroit will drop Hutch in a zone once in a while. And while I'm clearly not fond of Jones as a long-term solution at QB, I think you have to give credit to Hutch (and the staff) for making a terrific play.
Furthermore, that ball was not thrown right to Hutch. He had to leap up and actually make a terrific grab. I've seen that play now from two field level angles and it was simply a high level play.
So, I'm less willing to kill Jones on that decision.
agree. sometimes the other guy makes a great play.
but Hutchinson made a very nice play. I did not realize he was 6'7" either. I wonder if Detroit scouted something and knew that play and Jones got baited.
Apparently, Detroit will drop Hutch in a zone once in a while. And while I'm clearly not fond of Jones as a long-term solution at QB, I think you have to give credit to Hutch (and the staff) for making a terrific play.
Furthermore, that ball was not thrown right to Hutch. He had to leap up and actually make a terrific grab. I've seen that play now from two field level angles and it was simply a high level play.
So, I'm less willing to kill Jones on that decision.
It was really an incredible play by Hutch. How many guys have the size/length, smarts, talent to drop back as a DE there and make that pick? Killer TO for the Giants, and a play that makes you drool if you're a Lions fan.
but Hutchinson made a very nice play. I did not realize he was 6'7" either. I wonder if Detroit scouted something and knew that play and Jones got baited.
Apparently, Detroit will drop Hutch in a zone once in a while. And while I'm clearly not fond of Jones as a long-term solution at QB, I think you have to give credit to Hutch (and the staff) for making a terrific play.
Furthermore, that ball was not thrown right to Hutch. He had to leap up and actually make a terrific grab. I've seen that play now from two field level angles and it was simply a high level play.
So, I'm less willing to kill Jones on that decision.
Agreed 100%. Now that second INT? That looked pretty bad.
1) I agree this was a game where more Breida would have been in order. I also agree, moving forward, we should see a lot more sets with both Barkley and Breida on the field at the same time. That has almost always resulted in a positive play thus far. It lends itself to a lot of misdirection and guessing because both are threats to run the ball or catch it, both can split wide, and both can motion and still be effective.
2) I thought that Ximines roughing penalty was one of the turning points. Those 3 points that followed were big, especially with our 2 missed PATs. In his short career, he has a bad history of stupid penalties like this.
3) I also agree with you about TE. I loved the Bellinger pick and like it even more with him on the field. I hope he's back Thursday. They need him. But, there really was nothing behind him. TE needs to be addressed this off season.
4) ILB is a huge problem. It is a big reason we are getting gashed by the run.
5) The pass rush has also been a big problem. I don't know why, but I have a gut feeling Thanksgiving is the game we see a break out performance by KT. We need it and we need Ojulari back.
6) Ezeudu needs to start the rest of the way. He is the best LG on the team, is getting better, and is the one most likely to start next year. He solves both the short term and long term need, in my opinion. Don't confuse this with thinking he is better than the reality. I recognize he is an average OL right now. But, the rest of the options are not even that.
FA isn't the way to build a team, but you can bring in solid, stabilizing dudes at TE, IOL, and ILB through FA. Having street FA-level talent at those positions is hurting us even worse now that the injuries are hitting around them.
1) I agree this was a game where more Breida would have been in order. I also agree, moving forward, we should see a lot more sets with both Barkley and Breida on the field at the same time. That has almost always resulted in a positive play thus far. It lends itself to a lot of misdirection and guessing because both are threats to run the ball or catch it, both can split wide, and both can motion and still be effective.
2) I thought that Ximines roughing penalty was one of the turning points. Those 3 points that followed were big, especially with our 2 missed PATs. In his short career, he has a bad history of stupid penalties like this.
3) I also agree with you about TE. I loved the Bellinger pick and like it even more with him on the field. I hope he's back Thursday. They need him. But, there really was nothing behind him. TE needs to be addressed this off season.
4) ILB is a huge problem. It is a big reason we are getting gashed by the run.
5) The pass rush has also been a big problem. I don't know why, but I have a gut feeling Thanksgiving is the game we see a break out performance by KT. We need it and we need Ojulari back.
6) Ezeudu needs to start the rest of the way. He is the best LG on the team, is getting better, and is the one most likely to start next year. He solves both the short term and long term need, in my opinion. Don't confuse this with thinking he is better than the reality. I recognize he is an average OL right now. But, the rest of the options are not even that.
FA isn't the way to build a team, but you can bring in solid, stabilizing dudes at TE, IOL, and ILB through FA. Having street FA-level talent at those positions is hurting us even worse now that the injuries are hitting around them.
I agree. But, thankfully, we also have a starting caliber TE, so FA can be used to improve the depth as one option. OG is a tough call. But, they potentially have 4/5 of the line in place with Gates back. I hope to G-d Beavers comes back healthy and can participate in camp. I think he was a huge loss.
RE: The photo for the review reminded me what a big play that was
that was actually a good drop on that INT, they would have had the ball at the 2. They held them and the Lions punted into the endzone and we got the ball at the 20.
but Hutchinson made a very nice play. I did not realize he was 6'7" either. I wonder if Detroit scouted something and knew that play and Jones got baited.
Apparently, Detroit will drop Hutch in a zone once in a while. And while I'm clearly not fond of Jones as a long-term solution at QB, I think you have to give credit to Hutch (and the staff) for making a terrific play.
Furthermore, that ball was not thrown right to Hutch. He had to leap up and actually make a terrific grab. I've seen that play now from two field level angles and it was simply a high level play.
So, I'm less willing to kill Jones on that decision.
It was a great play by Hutchinson to make the INT. But, I would say it would not have been a great play just to get a PD out of it. They have dropped him in a zone blitz before, so it is on film. Jones has to see it and recognize it, number one. Number two, it's a risky throw with a guy that size because if he tries to add touch to get it over Hutchinson, he is likely giving a DB a good shot at making a play. So, yes, it was a great play by Hutchinson to actually make the grab, it was still a bad play by Jones in terms of recognition, decision making, and execution. It's just a throw he shouldn't have made.
but Hutchinson made a very nice play. I did not realize he was 6'7" either. I wonder if Detroit scouted something and knew that play and Jones got baited.
Apparently, Detroit will drop Hutch in a zone once in a while. And while I'm clearly not fond of Jones as a long-term solution at QB, I think you have to give credit to Hutch (and the staff) for making a terrific play.
Furthermore, that ball was not thrown right to Hutch. He had to leap up and actually make a terrific grab. I've seen that play now from two field level angles and it was simply a high level play.
So, I'm less willing to kill Jones on that decision.
That's where I am with it. Watched the All-22 multiple times. Jones shouldn't have thrown it, but it took an incredible play that 90% of DEs couldn't hope to make.
The Giants in a tough spot with Jones. He seems to me to essentially Garropolo/Tannehill level QB. Could potentially be better if he had some talent around him, but I don't think he'll ever be a top 10 kind of guy. Good enough to win games with, maybe make a little bit of noise in the playoffs, but not good enough to be a year in/year out threat to go deep in the playoffs.
He's the kind of QB I wouldn't mind giving a bridge QB contract to while we find our guy. Say 2-4 years at 15-20 AAV. The problem is, I think so many teams need QBs that he'll be priced out of that range. Someone will see the shit he's been surrounded by and overpay with the belief that he'll be great with more talent around him. I'm not sure I really buy that. I'm not sure the guys available in this draft are going to end up any better, especially with where the Giants will be picking and how much it would cost to trade up for Stroud/Young. I'd be all for a bigtime trade up and neglecting the rest of the roster for a year if Schoen/Daboll believe that strongly in one of them (I don't), I just don't see a Herbert/Mahomes/Allen kind of talent worth trading up for this year.
you can't hope to get lucky and defy. A healthy OBJ the team had a puncher's chance. When healthy Coughlin wins SBs, mediocre other wise. Winless without Daniel Jones.
One exception is we beat Buffalo HOF roster team without our starting QB and RB but that's an outlier with Parcells and Little Bill and travelling back in the way back machine.
As for Sy’s closing remark, any “progress” made could potentially *not* include Jones & Barkley going forward who are both pending free agents. That’s why it’s such a unique situation.
Glowinski should not be benched for Bredeson. No way.
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Do I get an apology for the sarcastic tone I got, when I suggested Glowinski should be benched for Bredeson?
Glowinski should not be benched for Bredeson. No way.
Did you read what he had to say on Glowinski? He’s been a weak point on the line all year.
This team had a small margin for error that injuries have now completely eliminated. I expect a lot of losses as we finish out the season. The team is playing hard, but we simply don't have the talent to withstand this many injuries. I think five players have now torn their ACLs, and others (Neal, Jackson, Robinson), have MCL injuries.
Hard to answer that from my seat. He was the Green Dot guy though - so it factors at least a little bit. Love is no slouch in the role, though.
I think simply not having McKinney out there as a player is the bigger issue.
Sounds like there was not an entity in Blue that was prepared for Sunday, including the coaching staff. Detroit is a vastly improved team.
Kafka has got to shake things up. Game after game running Barkley into the wall was not going to work all season. Kafka seems reluctant to get things going in the 1st half. Somehow he has to get Cager and/or Golladay behind the 9 in the box.
in light of Adoree Jackson injury, I invite you to read these remarks from Sy'56:
"If NYG wanted to put a premium playmaker in the return game, why not put Saquon Barkley back there? Because you don’t want him getting hurt. Then why put Adoree’ Jackson, who in my opinion was the most important player on defense, in that role? This coaching staff has been amazing from the start and Daboll is in the running for Coach of the Year. But that was the wrong move and they’re going to pay for it."
Sounds like there was not an entity in Blue that was prepared for Sunday, including the coaching staff. Detroit is a vastly improved team.
Kafka has got to shake things up. Game after game running Barkley into the wall was not going to work all season. Kafka seems reluctant to get things going in the 1st half. Somehow he has to get Cager and/or Golladay behind the 9 in the box.
Yea, missing that game was not a bad thing to do! On the Giants very first play from scrimmage, Barkley got nailed in the backfield. I believe that one was on Shane Lemieux, who got rag-dolled by Alim McNeill. In fact, McNeill made Lemieux look ugly all day long. In any event, after Barkley got stoned at the start of the game, he looked like he didn't want to carry the ball again.
Interesting take on the DAL game. Stranger things have happened.
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Do I get an apology for the sarcastic tone I got, when I suggested Glowinski should be benched for Bredeson?
Glowinski should not be benched for Bredeson. No way.
Did you read what he had to say on Glowinski? He’s been a weak point on the line all year.
Haha. You do realize you’re replying to Sy, right? The “he” you’re referring to…
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so I appreciate the review.
Sounds like there was not an entity in Blue that was prepared for Sunday, including the coaching staff. Detroit is a vastly improved team.
Kafka has got to shake things up. Game after game running Barkley into the wall was not going to work all season. Kafka seems reluctant to get things going in the 1st half. Somehow he has to get Cager and/or Golladay behind the 9 in the box.
Yea, missing that game was not a bad thing to do! On the Giants very first play from scrimmage, Barkley got nailed in the backfield. I believe that one was on Shane Lemieux, who got rag-dolled by Alim McNeill. In fact, McNeill made Lemieux look ugly all day long. In any event, after Barkley got stoned at the start of the game, he looked like he didn't want to carry the ball again.
Could be that shoulder is beyond sore.
I would like to see some Brightwell too.
Losing WanDale is a big loss but just looking at him on the field and how small he is Im still wondering if the 2nd round was too early to take that gamble. It seemed like every game he played he was injured in some wayand now with the ACL we may never see the player he was supposed to be again. Im not expecting anything out of this player going forward which is unfortunate. His game relies on his legs and even if he does come back next season, the impact will probably be minimal. I feel bad for the kid. This team has had the worst luck at the WR position. Next season we need need a whole new unit from top to bottom, Id get rid of them all and hope forRobinson in 2024.
Interesting take on the DAL game. Stranger things have happened.
Victor in CT -- someone on another thread said the same thing more-or-less. I responded to that with the following:
After a Dallas HUGE blow-out of Minny... and the Lions beat-down of the Giants... I can see where you are coming from. Sorta an unexpected reversal of fortune... a let down by the favorite and the over-performance of the angry underdog. I've seen it before, have seen it over 60 years of watching NFL football. So, it can happen. That said, it's hard to envision such a scenario with a defense that may have more holes in its dike than Wink has fingers.
LOL… Im at work and just saw that. Need my morning coffee.
The offensive line was not good, there is no doubt about that BUT, Breida played better than Barkley and was attacking far harder than Barkley was.
**BTW the Lions and their Oline build might be a great example of why you don't spend BIG $$$ on a Running Back.
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for this Thanksgiving.
Interesting take on the DAL game. Stranger things have happened.
Victor in CT -- someone on another thread said the same thing more-or-less. I responded to that with the following:
After a Dallas HUGE blow-out of Minny... and the Lions beat-down of the Giants... I can see where you are coming from. Sorta an unexpected reversal of fortune... a let down by the favorite and the over-performance of the angry underdog. I've seen it before, have seen it over 60 years of watching NFL football. So, it can happen. That said, it's hard to envision such a scenario with a defense that may have more holes in its dike than Wink has fingers.
Yes it's not impossible. I actually thanked my Vikes fan friend for them making DAL overconfident LOL!
I was actually worried about this game from the moment McKinney got hurt. You could see it in the Texans game that the 2ndary was not nearly as tight.
Should the Giants not make the playoffs, the galactically stupid dereliction of duty by McKinney and the unfathomable decision to have Jackson returning punts will be significant reasons why. Any success this team has had in the first half of the season has been dependent on a quality bend but don't break defense. It simply has not looked the same these past two weeks, notwithstanding the win against the lowly Texans. I suspect they will struggle in the coming weeks given the schedule difficulty, putting that much more unneeded pressure on the offense.
I love your optimism Sy about Thursday, but if the defense plays like it did Sunday, the Giants will get blown out...
I am curious what went into the decision to start shane lemieux. Did he really look that much better in practice or were they trying to give the line a jolt?
As Sy said, the AJ punt return decision was boneheaded. Two big mistakes from the staff right there. Not down on them, just gotta call it like we see it.
Should the Giants not make the playoffs, the galactically stupid dereliction of duty by McKinney and the unfathomable decision to have Jackson returning punts will be significant reasons why. Any success this team has had in the first half of the season has been dependent on a quality bend but don't break defense. It simply has not looked the same these past two weeks, notwithstanding the win against the lowly Texans. I suspect they will struggle in the coming weeks given the schedule difficulty, putting that much more unneeded pressure on the offense.
I love your optimism Sy about Thursday, but if the defense plays like it did Sunday, the Giants will get blown out...
I'm with you 1000% on this. Dead on.
Should the Giants not make the playoffs, the galactically stupid dereliction of duty by McKinney and the unfathomable decision to have Jackson returning punts will be significant reasons why.
Hindsight is 20/20 but its quite possibly the worst coaching decision he has made thus far. We weren't relying on a dynamic return game so we really just needed a guy to fair catch punts.
That and McKinney's stupidity cost us a few games for sure. Ultimately this team isn't winning the super bowl either way so hopefully the mistakes are good learning experiences for coach and player.
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Do I get an apology for the sarcastic tone I got, when I suggested Glowinski should be benched for Bredeson?
Glowinski should not be benched for Bredeson. No way.
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Do I get an apology for the sarcastic tone I got, when I suggested Glowinski should be benched for Bredeson?
Glowinski should not be benched for Bredeson. No way.
What about for Lemieux? I say no, but wonder if that's an option. I want Ezeudu to stick at LG because I think he's going to be there for a long while.
Yes please!! I think and have thought that Lemieux is awful.
Good news it was not Williams or Dex who were big reasons for the faulty run D. I was concerned with Dex's back.
I pretty much said the same thing regarding the Jackson decision. Mind boggling considering already losing X and the other corner spot already losing a starter.
Sounds like there was not an entity in Blue that was prepared for Sunday, including the coaching staff. Detroit is a vastly improved team.
Kafka has got to shake things up. Game after game running Barkley into the wall was not going to work all season. Kafka seems reluctant to get things going in the 1st half. Somehow he has to get Cager and/or Golladay behind the 9 in the box.
I don't know if I would say they weren't prepared. They looked good until the Hutchinson INT. They never rebounded after that.
The second was a bad throw. I thought it was a great call and a great read. It was 4th and 5, but they had a receiver OPEN deep. Jones missed him badly, taking a great opportunity for points off the board.
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so I appreciate the review.
Sounds like there was not an entity in Blue that was prepared for Sunday, including the coaching staff. Detroit is a vastly improved team.
Kafka has got to shake things up. Game after game running Barkley into the wall was not going to work all season. Kafka seems reluctant to get things going in the 1st half. Somehow he has to get Cager and/or Golladay behind the 9 in the box.
I don't know if I would say they weren't prepared. They looked good until the Hutchinson INT. They never rebounded after that.
So 1 INT derailed an entire game plan. Down 10-6?(If I have the sequence correct)
INTs happen. Yes the Jones has had very few this year, but they happen to most teams. They need to get past that.
We were pissed at Garrett's vanilla plans. Yes they have had decent success of Barkley's running and some nice runs by Jones. But now that game plan is shot and it really has been since Seattle.
It should be interesting to see what they do now. It will be quite difficult to win now unless Kafka can get some early passing successes.
2) I thought that Ximines roughing penalty was one of the turning points. Those 3 points that followed were big, especially with our 2 missed PATs. In his short career, he has a bad history of stupid penalties like this.
3) I also agree with you about TE. I loved the Bellinger pick and like it even more with him on the field. I hope he's back Thursday. They need him. But, there really was nothing behind him. TE needs to be addressed this off season.
4) ILB is a huge problem. It is a big reason we are getting gashed by the run.
5) The pass rush has also been a big problem. I don't know why, but I have a gut feeling Thanksgiving is the game we see a break out performance by KT. We need it and we need Ojulari back.
6) Ezeudu needs to start the rest of the way. He is the best LG on the team, is getting better, and is the one most likely to start next year. He solves both the short term and long term need, in my opinion. Don't confuse this with thinking he is better than the reality. I recognize he is an average OL right now. But, the rest of the options are not even that.
The second was a bad throw. I thought it was a great call and a great read. It was 4th and 5, but they had a receiver OPEN deep. Jones missed him badly, taking a great opportunity for points off the board.
The 2nd INT was awful. The one to Hutchinson, he probably should not have thrown that but what other DE makes that catch? That was in no way shape or form a gimme INT. Hutchinson made a hell of a play there.
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I feel like I was the only person here for the last couple of days who saw both of those picks as bad plays by Jones. The first everyone has been writing off as a great play by Hutchinson. But, it was a zone blitz they have run before and not only did Jones not recognize it, but he threw it right to Hutchinson who was in his direct line of sight.
The second was a bad throw. I thought it was a great call and a great read. It was 4th and 5, but they had a receiver OPEN deep. Jones missed him badly, taking a great opportunity for points off the board.
The 2nd INT was awful. The one to Hutchinson, he probably should not have thrown that but what other DE makes that catch? That was in no way shape or form a gimme INT. Hutchinson made a hell of a play there.
Apparently, Detroit will drop Hutch in a zone once in a while. And while I'm clearly not fond of Jones as a long-term solution at QB, I think you have to give credit to Hutch (and the staff) for making a terrific play.
Furthermore, that ball was not thrown right to Hutch. He had to leap up and actually make a terrific grab. I've seen that play now from two field level angles and it was simply a high level play.
So, I'm less willing to kill Jones on that decision.
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but Hutchinson made a very nice play. I did not realize he was 6'7" either. I wonder if Detroit scouted something and knew that play and Jones got baited.
Apparently, Detroit will drop Hutch in a zone once in a while. And while I'm clearly not fond of Jones as a long-term solution at QB, I think you have to give credit to Hutch (and the staff) for making a terrific play.
Furthermore, that ball was not thrown right to Hutch. He had to leap up and actually make a terrific grab. I've seen that play now from two field level angles and it was simply a high level play.
So, I'm less willing to kill Jones on that decision.
agree. sometimes the other guy makes a great play.
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but Hutchinson made a very nice play. I did not realize he was 6'7" either. I wonder if Detroit scouted something and knew that play and Jones got baited.
Apparently, Detroit will drop Hutch in a zone once in a while. And while I'm clearly not fond of Jones as a long-term solution at QB, I think you have to give credit to Hutch (and the staff) for making a terrific play.
Furthermore, that ball was not thrown right to Hutch. He had to leap up and actually make a terrific grab. I've seen that play now from two field level angles and it was simply a high level play.
So, I'm less willing to kill Jones on that decision.
It was really an incredible play by Hutch. How many guys have the size/length, smarts, talent to drop back as a DE there and make that pick? Killer TO for the Giants, and a play that makes you drool if you're a Lions fan.
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but Hutchinson made a very nice play. I did not realize he was 6'7" either. I wonder if Detroit scouted something and knew that play and Jones got baited.
Apparently, Detroit will drop Hutch in a zone once in a while. And while I'm clearly not fond of Jones as a long-term solution at QB, I think you have to give credit to Hutch (and the staff) for making a terrific play.
Furthermore, that ball was not thrown right to Hutch. He had to leap up and actually make a terrific grab. I've seen that play now from two field level angles and it was simply a high level play.
So, I'm less willing to kill Jones on that decision.
Agreed 100%. Now that second INT? That looked pretty bad.
2) I thought that Ximines roughing penalty was one of the turning points. Those 3 points that followed were big, especially with our 2 missed PATs. In his short career, he has a bad history of stupid penalties like this.
3) I also agree with you about TE. I loved the Bellinger pick and like it even more with him on the field. I hope he's back Thursday. They need him. But, there really was nothing behind him. TE needs to be addressed this off season.
4) ILB is a huge problem. It is a big reason we are getting gashed by the run.
5) The pass rush has also been a big problem. I don't know why, but I have a gut feeling Thanksgiving is the game we see a break out performance by KT. We need it and we need Ojulari back.
6) Ezeudu needs to start the rest of the way. He is the best LG on the team, is getting better, and is the one most likely to start next year. He solves both the short term and long term need, in my opinion. Don't confuse this with thinking he is better than the reality. I recognize he is an average OL right now. But, the rest of the options are not even that.
FA isn't the way to build a team, but you can bring in solid, stabilizing dudes at TE, IOL, and ILB through FA. Having street FA-level talent at those positions is hurting us even worse now that the injuries are hitting around them.
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1) I agree this was a game where more Breida would have been in order. I also agree, moving forward, we should see a lot more sets with both Barkley and Breida on the field at the same time. That has almost always resulted in a positive play thus far. It lends itself to a lot of misdirection and guessing because both are threats to run the ball or catch it, both can split wide, and both can motion and still be effective.
2) I thought that Ximines roughing penalty was one of the turning points. Those 3 points that followed were big, especially with our 2 missed PATs. In his short career, he has a bad history of stupid penalties like this.
3) I also agree with you about TE. I loved the Bellinger pick and like it even more with him on the field. I hope he's back Thursday. They need him. But, there really was nothing behind him. TE needs to be addressed this off season.
4) ILB is a huge problem. It is a big reason we are getting gashed by the run.
5) The pass rush has also been a big problem. I don't know why, but I have a gut feeling Thanksgiving is the game we see a break out performance by KT. We need it and we need Ojulari back.
6) Ezeudu needs to start the rest of the way. He is the best LG on the team, is getting better, and is the one most likely to start next year. He solves both the short term and long term need, in my opinion. Don't confuse this with thinking he is better than the reality. I recognize he is an average OL right now. But, the rest of the options are not even that.
FA isn't the way to build a team, but you can bring in solid, stabilizing dudes at TE, IOL, and ILB through FA. Having street FA-level talent at those positions is hurting us even worse now that the injuries are hitting around them.
that was actually a good drop on that INT, they would have had the ball at the 2. They held them and the Lions punted into the endzone and we got the ball at the 20.
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but Hutchinson made a very nice play. I did not realize he was 6'7" either. I wonder if Detroit scouted something and knew that play and Jones got baited.
Apparently, Detroit will drop Hutch in a zone once in a while. And while I'm clearly not fond of Jones as a long-term solution at QB, I think you have to give credit to Hutch (and the staff) for making a terrific play.
Furthermore, that ball was not thrown right to Hutch. He had to leap up and actually make a terrific grab. I've seen that play now from two field level angles and it was simply a high level play.
So, I'm less willing to kill Jones on that decision.
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but Hutchinson made a very nice play. I did not realize he was 6'7" either. I wonder if Detroit scouted something and knew that play and Jones got baited.
Apparently, Detroit will drop Hutch in a zone once in a while. And while I'm clearly not fond of Jones as a long-term solution at QB, I think you have to give credit to Hutch (and the staff) for making a terrific play.
Furthermore, that ball was not thrown right to Hutch. He had to leap up and actually make a terrific grab. I've seen that play now from two field level angles and it was simply a high level play.
So, I'm less willing to kill Jones on that decision.
That's where I am with it. Watched the All-22 multiple times. Jones shouldn't have thrown it, but it took an incredible play that 90% of DEs couldn't hope to make.
The Giants in a tough spot with Jones. He seems to me to essentially Garropolo/Tannehill level QB. Could potentially be better if he had some talent around him, but I don't think he'll ever be a top 10 kind of guy. Good enough to win games with, maybe make a little bit of noise in the playoffs, but not good enough to be a year in/year out threat to go deep in the playoffs.
He's the kind of QB I wouldn't mind giving a bridge QB contract to while we find our guy. Say 2-4 years at 15-20 AAV. The problem is, I think so many teams need QBs that he'll be priced out of that range. Someone will see the shit he's been surrounded by and overpay with the belief that he'll be great with more talent around him. I'm not sure I really buy that. I'm not sure the guys available in this draft are going to end up any better, especially with where the Giants will be picking and how much it would cost to trade up for Stroud/Young. I'd be all for a bigtime trade up and neglecting the rest of the roster for a year if Schoen/Daboll believe that strongly in one of them (I don't), I just don't see a Herbert/Mahomes/Allen kind of talent worth trading up for this year.
One exception is we beat Buffalo HOF roster team without our starting QB and RB but that's an outlier with Parcells and Little Bill and travelling back in the way back machine.