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538 WR project, some interesting Slayton numbers

ajr2456 : 11/22/2022 12:47 pm
Ranks 5th in Open Rate and 9th in YAC rating.
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This explains the calculations  
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That should be 5th overall  
ajr2456 : 11/22/2022 12:50 pm : link
And 2nd in open rate
That's interesting  
widmerseyebrow : 11/22/2022 12:54 pm : link
He's always had wheels and decent size. The drops suck, but if he is getting comfortable in the offense we could certainly do worse.

The Wandale injury really sucks because I thought they complemented each other pretty well.
slayton's issue  
46and2Blue : 11/22/2022 12:59 pm : link
has been consistency. I think everyone sees the talent is there, some of his drops have been daggers to the heart.
I said it in my game review  
Biteymax22 : 11/22/2022 1:06 pm : link
from the Texans game, they started using him in a different set of routes than he was previously running. Slayton wasn't great catching the ball over his shoulder so he's been getting more routes where he doesn't have to "track" the ball as much.

Slants, rubs, drags etc... have been added in to take advantage of his speed rather than the "go deep" strategy Garrett had with him.
im a fan of everything next gen stats  
Eric on Li : 11/22/2022 1:11 pm : link
i've been tracking this since they started it earlier this year, the historical is very interesting even though they only publicized the model this year. i think while this methodology is interesting and certainly will surface great players on an individual level it also surfaces scheme efficiencies.

for example, you may not realize this but Shurmur's offense seems like it was very YAC friendly having both rookie year slayton and golden tate in the top 8. even Engram was graded well at 42nd overall.

garrett's offense seemed extremely yac-unfriendly (all the comeback routes) which is there was likely so much regression from all involved. engram, slayton especially.

daboll's offense has seemingly been able to bring back the yac and also helped get slayton open more. those crossing routes the last several weeks have become a staple (so much so ill bet aaron glenn had that hutchinson play prepared).



back to slayton individually though, he definitely has the athletic talent to make big plays - he simply needs to keep getting better at catching the ball.
RE: I said it in my game review  
Ron Johnson : 11/22/2022 1:14 pm : link
In comment 15918123 Biteymax22 said:
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from the Texans game, they started using him in a different set of routes than he was previously running. Slayton wasn't great catching the ball over his shoulder so he's been getting more routes where he doesn't have to "track" the ball as much.

Slants, rubs, drags etc... have been added in to take advantage of his speed rather than the "go deep" strategy Garrett had with him.


only so much you can do with routes. He bobbles passes coming into his chest when he's standing still.
RE: RE: I said it in my game review  
Biteymax22 : 11/22/2022 1:16 pm : link
In comment 15918132 Ron Johnson said:
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from the Texans game, they started using him in a different set of routes than he was previously running. Slayton wasn't great catching the ball over his shoulder so he's been getting more routes where he doesn't have to "track" the ball as much.

Slants, rubs, drags etc... have been added in to take advantage of his speed rather than the "go deep" strategy Garrett had with him.



only so much you can do with routes. He bobbles passes coming into his chest when he's standing still.


His hands are never going to be confused with Tory Holts, but he's much better catching the ball when he doesn't have to track it.
he could be a solid 2/3  
SomeFan : 11/22/2022 1:20 pm : link
It would be great of we had a kick-ass 1. That would really makes this offense take off IMV
Slayton  
AcidTest : 11/22/2022 1:22 pm : link
body catches and juggle a lot of balls, which of course causes drops. A lot of our receivers have the same problem. He's been in the league for almost for almost four years. if his hands were going to improve they likely would have by now.
Why was he buried  
giantBCP : 11/22/2022 1:47 pm : link
behind scrubs for a half a season?
RE: Why was he buried  
Essex : 11/22/2022 1:53 pm : link
In comment 15918182 giantBCP said:
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behind scrubs for a half a season?

If he is one of the top 5 receivers in the league and our coaching staff couldn't figure that out until October that does not say much about their talent evaluation.
I don’t think anyone would call him a top 5  
ajr2456 : 11/22/2022 1:57 pm : link
Receiver in the league. He’s getting open a lot and has been great after the catch (probably skewed heavily from the Texan game), but there’s also a lot of areas he needs improvement.
RE: Why was he buried  
islander1 : 11/22/2022 2:01 pm : link
In comment 15918182 giantBCP said:
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behind scrubs for a half a season?


My brother and I were talking about this. Only answer is he must've gotten himself into Daboll's doghouse very early on.

Keep in mind also that teams weren't exactly beating down his door for his service, either.
Slayton’s issue has always been drops.....  
Simms11 : 11/22/2022 2:33 pm : link
He has his share of good plays only to have a few ah shit plays. He’s the #1 now, but really is probably no better then a #3 or 4 on most teams.
RE: Why was he buried  
widmerseyebrow : 11/22/2022 2:36 pm : link
In comment 15918182 giantBCP said:
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behind scrubs for a half a season?


My guess is drops and learning the new offense. The latter is much better so they trust him (and need him) to play more.
RE: Slayton’s issue has always been drops.....  
ajr2456 : 11/22/2022 2:36 pm : link
In comment 15918234 Simms11 said:
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He has his share of good plays only to have a few ah shit plays. He’s the #1 now, but really is probably no better then a #3 or 4 on most teams.


I think he’d be a very good 3 too. His drops are an issue but probably not as bad a lot of #3s around the league. He’s probably in the top half of #3s because of his YAC skills.
RE: I said it in my game review  
Tuckrule : 11/22/2022 3:45 pm : link
In comment 15918123 Biteymax22 said:
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from the Texans game, they started using him in a different set of routes than he was previously running. Slayton wasn't great catching the ball over his shoulder so he's been getting more routes where he doesn't have to "track" the ball as much.

Slants, rubs, drags etc... have been added in to take advantage of his speed rather than the "go deep" strategy Garrett had with him.


Yea sorry. That’s you just making shit up. He’s been dropping slants and bobbling those also. It’s not “tracking” it’s his hands. It’s called being inconsistent. You can’t teach hands. I guess engram was used on the routes as well.
its great that  
outeiroj : 11/22/2022 8:30 pm : link
he gets open and his yac if he catches it is good... but his catch rate is under 50, and sadly, nothing else matters if you don't catch the ball
I’m happy for slayton  
djm : 11/22/2022 9:10 pm : link
He looks like a legit wr now. Still doesn’t have great hands or even good hands but he can certainly play. His weird career arch makes more and more sense if you attribute 20-21 to the obvious problems at HC and everywhere else, and early 22 just to a new system, player and staff finding their comfort zone.
Good post ajr...  
bw in dc : 11/22/2022 9:20 pm : link
Slayton is underrated. Not a WR1, but he's a solid WR2 and he makes plays.

And he dispels this notion that we don't have any skill players available for Jones. Over 80% of his catches go for first downs. That has to be close to top of the league...?
RE: Why was he buried  
steve in ky : 11/22/2022 9:40 pm : link
In comment 15918182 giantBCP said:
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behind scrubs for a half a season?


Maybe he's doing so well now because of how DaBoll handled him early on.
RE: RE: Why was he buried  
steve in ky : 11/22/2022 9:43 pm : link
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behind scrubs for a half a season?



Maybe he's doing so well now because of how DaBoll handled him early on.


Also, I think he only missed a couple of games to start the season.
RE: RE: I said it in my game review  
Joey in VA : 11/22/2022 9:57 pm : link
In comment 15918353 Tuckrule said:
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from the Texans game, they started using him in a different set of routes than he was previously running. Slayton wasn't great catching the ball over his shoulder so he's been getting more routes where he doesn't have to "track" the ball as much.

Slants, rubs, drags etc... have been added in to take advantage of his speed rather than the "go deep" strategy Garrett had with him.



Yea sorry. That’s you just making shit up. He’s been dropping slants and bobbling those also. It’s not “tracking” it’s his hands. It’s called being inconsistent. You can’t teach hands. I guess engram was used on the routes as well.
I like Bitey but you are right, he dropped an over the shoulder this week and he's not running slants at all, he's running deep crosses and digs. He's inconsistent catching the ball, that's usually one of two things: mental hurdle or someone who doesn't know he has a vision problem. Catching the Football is not a physical thing if it's easy drops. You can fix that with repetition. What you have trouble fixing is mental things and undiagnosed vision problems.
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