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George from CT : 11/22/2022 10:18 pm
I’m surprised how many people are bashing DJ after one bad game that wasn’t even that bad. I’m not sure what people are expecting, he had practice squad level WR’s, an offensive line that couldn’t run or pass block, Shane Lemieux was a turnstile until he was replaced with an injured player. The center got hurt and we had Peart the 3rd string RT. Yes he had two interceptions, the first one being his fault as he didn’t see the 2nd overall pick back in coverage, who also made a great play. The second interception on 4th down was not a terrible decision. First of all he was under tremendous pressure as he was throwing the ball, he was throwing it to a WR that really wasn’t open. He couldn’t throw the ball out of bounds, he had to throw it up for grabs as they would of lost it on downs at the 40.

I used to post more frequently when it was Pete’s corner and I feel over the years people expectations have gone a little whacky. DJ is further along at this point then Eli was. Eli was very erratic early in his career. He didn’t get it all together until year 5. I’m not saying DJ is going to better than Eli. Eli had great pocket awareness, able to read defenses, just a great football mind. DJ is way more athletic, does what he’s asked to and has gotten better. I’m not saying he’s in the Mahomes, Allen level who can sling the ball all over the field but he does have a good arm, pocket presence is getting better and let’s not forget he didn’t have an interception in over 140 attempts, led the league. Eli also had a great front office, good coaching staff and way better talent around him. DJ has had a revolving door of FO, coaching and players around him.

I feel at this point he’s a solid 2nd tier QB that should continue to improve. I hope the Giants figure out a way to resign him barring a total collapse.

You shouldn’t be surprised  
dancing blue bear : 11/22/2022 10:23 pm : link
There a contingency that has been not so patiently waiting for that game. All season

I agree it was not terrible. But it will have to do…
Part of me can't wait until the season is over and  
thefan : 11/22/2022 10:23 pm : link
the decision is made. This debate is getting old. I guess for some fans this is an easy decision, for me its not really. I am incredibly neutral on Daniel Jones.

I think the Giants will role with Tyrod Taylor next year and continue improving the roster. Will be interesting to see where DJ ends up. Colts like to retry QBs. Imagine if the Commanders rolled the dice?
RE: Part of me can't wait until the season is over and  
broadbandz : 11/22/2022 10:27 pm : link
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the decision is made. This debate is getting old. I guess for some fans this is an easy decision, for me its not really. I am incredibly neutral on Daniel Jones.

I think the Giants will role with Tyrod Taylor next year and continue improving the roster. Will be interesting to see where DJ ends up. Colts like to retry QBs. Imagine if the Commanders rolled the dice?


If we roll with Taylor next yr the coach is getting fired in yr 2 like Macadoo, Shurmur, Judge. He is that bad.
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thefan : 11/22/2022 10:30 pm : link
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the decision is made. This debate is getting old. I guess for some fans this is an easy decision, for me its not really. I am incredibly neutral on Daniel Jones.

I think the Giants will role with Tyrod Taylor next year and continue improving the roster. Will be interesting to see where DJ ends up. Colts like to retry QBs. Imagine if the Commanders rolled the dice?



If we roll with Taylor next yr the coach is getting fired in yr 2 like Macadoo, Shurmur, Judge. He is that bad.


It would take a lot for the Giants to fire Daboll in year 2. A bridge QB and a losing year in a rebuild prob ain't enough.
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18E : 11/22/2022 10:31 pm : link
In comment 15918598 thefan said:
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the decision is made. This debate is getting old. I guess for some fans this is an easy decision, for me its not really. I am incredibly neutral on Daniel Jones.

I think the Giants will role with Tyrod Taylor next year and continue improving the roster. Will be interesting to see where DJ ends up. Colts like to retry QBs. Imagine if the Commanders rolled the dice?


You're incredibly stupid.
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thefan : 11/22/2022 10:34 pm : link
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the decision is made. This debate is getting old. I guess for some fans this is an easy decision, for me its not really. I am incredibly neutral on Daniel Jones.

I think the Giants will role with Tyrod Taylor next year and continue improving the roster. Will be interesting to see where DJ ends up. Colts like to retry QBs. Imagine if the Commanders rolled the dice?



You're incredibly stupid.


Oh yeah? Why's that tough guy?
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Rory : 11/22/2022 10:35 pm : link
In comment 15918598 thefan said:
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the decision is made. This debate is getting old. I guess for some fans this is an easy decision, for me its not really. I am incredibly neutral on Daniel Jones.

I think the Giants will role with Tyrod Taylor next year and continue improving the roster. Will be interesting to see where DJ ends up. Colts like to retry QBs. Imagine if the Commanders rolled the dice?


then there will just be another debate. This fanbase is shit
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Ron Johnson : 11/22/2022 10:42 pm : link
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the decision is made. This debate is getting old. I guess for some fans this is an easy decision, for me its not really. I am incredibly neutral on Daniel Jones.

I think the Giants will role with Tyrod Taylor next year and continue improving the roster. Will be interesting to see where DJ ends up. Colts like to retry QBs. Imagine if the Commanders rolled the dice?



then there will just be another debate. This fanbase is shit


Absolute shit. Who in their right mind would want to play here endure such non-stop whimpering?
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thefan : 11/22/2022 10:43 pm : link
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the decision is made. This debate is getting old. I guess for some fans this is an easy decision, for me its not really. I am incredibly neutral on Daniel Jones.

I think the Giants will role with Tyrod Taylor next year and continue improving the roster. Will be interesting to see where DJ ends up. Colts like to retry QBs. Imagine if the Commanders rolled the dice?



then there will just be another debate. This fanbase is shit



Absolute shit. Who in their right mind would want to play here endure such non-stop whimpering?


The guy who gets paid or drafted by this organization would.
Coach could survive 1 year  
dancing blue bear : 11/22/2022 10:47 pm : link
Of not contending for the playoffs with a rookie QB. But not multiple years.

I think we have debunked the ridiculous notion of a “multi year” rebuild as patently idiotic. A competent leadership team should be able to get to .500 in any other circumstance.
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Ron Johnson : 11/22/2022 10:52 pm : link
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the decision is made. This debate is getting old. I guess for some fans this is an easy decision, for me its not really. I am incredibly neutral on Daniel Jones.

I think the Giants will role with Tyrod Taylor next year and continue improving the roster. Will be interesting to see where DJ ends up. Colts like to retry QBs. Imagine if the Commanders rolled the dice?



then there will just be another debate. This fanbase is shit



Absolute shit. Who in their right mind would want to play here endure such non-stop whimpering?



The guy who gets paid or drafted by this organization would.


Yup. On his rookie deal.
the amount of negative whining and complaining over  
Producer : 11/22/2022 10:54 pm : link
other people's opinions is mind-boggling. So fucking what? I'm a Giants fan, who wants to win the Super Bowl, five times in a row, and I think Daniel jones is a garbage QB who is not worth banking on. Big fucking deal. It's not like there isn't substantial data to support my point of view, there is, and you know it. Grow up and accept some people have different opinions than you. Maybe you could open your mind, you might learn something. Up to now, in year four, it's pretty clear Daniel Jones will never be a great passer. Doesn't mean he can't win in an absolutely stacked situation, maybe he could, but it's a bad bet to make. We shouldn't wager the fortunes of this $5B organization on a guy who has no chance to be great. We're the New York Fucking Giants.
Love DJ he’s my QB  
JerrysKids : 11/22/2022 10:54 pm : link
Tough, athletic, leader. He’s not likely to be a HOF player but you can win a championship with him if you have a good team supporting him.
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Tom in NY : 11/22/2022 11:10 pm : link
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other people's opinions is mind-boggling. So fucking what? I'm a Giants fan, who wants to win the Super Bowl, five times in a row, and I think Daniel jones is a garbage QB who is not worth banking on. Big fucking deal. It's not like there isn't substantial data to support my point of view, there is, and you know it. Grow up and accept some people have different opinions than you. Maybe you could open your mind, you might learn something. Up to now, in year four, it's pretty clear Daniel Jones will never be a great passer. Doesn't mean he can't win in an absolutely stacked situation, maybe he could, but it's a bad bet to make. We shouldn't wager the fortunes of this $5B organization on a guy who has no chance to be great. We're the New York Fucking Giants.


It's probably more your obnoxious fashion in which you state your opinion as absolute fact. "...I think Daniel Jones is a garbage QB.." is meant to elicit a specific reaction, and now your the one whining when others disagree with your opinion.
We'll see at year's end, but frankly you appear on any thread involving Jones to bash him, which generally puts many others on the defensive about a guy who, whether it's good enough or not, is laying it all on the line every week for his team.
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IchabodGiant : 11/22/2022 11:14 pm : link
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other people's opinions is mind-boggling. So fucking what? I'm a Giants fan, who wants to win the Super Bowl, five times in a row, and I think Daniel jones is a garbage QB who is not worth banking on. Big fucking deal. It's not like there isn't substantial data to support my point of view, there is, and you know it. Grow up and accept some people have different opinions than you. Maybe you could open your mind, you might learn something. Up to now, in year four, it's pretty clear Daniel Jones will never be a great passer. Doesn't mean he can't win in an absolutely stacked situation, maybe he could, but it's a bad bet to make. We shouldn't wager the fortunes of this $5B organization on a guy who has no chance to be great. We're the New York Fucking Giants.



It's probably more your obnoxious fashion in which you state your opinion as absolute fact. "...I think Daniel Jones is a garbage QB.." is meant to elicit a specific reaction, and now your the one whining when others disagree with your opinion.
We'll see at year's end, but frankly you appear on any thread involving Jones to bash him, which generally puts many others on the defensive about a guy who, whether it's good enough or not, is laying it all on the line every week for his team.


Bingo.
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dancing blue bear : 11/22/2022 11:16 pm : link
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other people's opinions is mind-boggling. So fucking what? I'm a Giants fan, who wants to win the Super Bowl, five times in a row, and I think Daniel jones is a garbage QB who is not worth banking on. Big fucking deal. It's not like there isn't substantial data to support my point of view, there is, and you know it. Grow up and accept some people have different opinions than you. Maybe you could open your mind, you might learn something. Up to now, in year four, it's pretty clear Daniel Jones will never be a great passer. Doesn't mean he can't win in an absolutely stacked situation, maybe he could, but it's a bad bet to make. We shouldn't wager the fortunes of this $5B organization on a guy who has no chance to be great. We're the New York Fucking Giants.



It's probably more your obnoxious fashion in which you state your opinion as absolute fact. "...I think Daniel Jones is a garbage QB.." is meant to elicit a specific reaction, and now your the one whining when others disagree with your opinion.
We'll see at year's end, but frankly you appear on any thread involving Jones to bash him, which generally puts many others on the defensive about a guy who, whether it's good enough or not, is laying it all on the line every week for his team.



Bingo.


+1
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Producer : 11/22/2022 11:20 pm : link
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other people's opinions is mind-boggling. So fucking what? I'm a Giants fan, who wants to win the Super Bowl, five times in a row, and I think Daniel jones is a garbage QB who is not worth banking on. Big fucking deal. It's not like there isn't substantial data to support my point of view, there is, and you know it. Grow up and accept some people have different opinions than you. Maybe you could open your mind, you might learn something. Up to now, in year four, it's pretty clear Daniel Jones will never be a great passer. Doesn't mean he can't win in an absolutely stacked situation, maybe he could, but it's a bad bet to make. We shouldn't wager the fortunes of this $5B organization on a guy who has no chance to be great. We're the New York Fucking Giants.



It's probably more your obnoxious fashion in which you state your opinion as absolute fact. "...I think Daniel Jones is a garbage QB.." is meant to elicit a specific reaction, and now your the one whining when others disagree with your opinion.
We'll see at year's end, but frankly you appear on any thread involving Jones to bash him, which generally puts many others on the defensive about a guy who, whether it's good enough or not, is laying it all on the line every week for his team.


I don't think what I'm saying is a fact. It's an opinion. I always say this.

And I've also said Jones has played pretty well at times this season. I do give him credit.
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GMen72 : 11/22/2022 11:21 pm : link
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other people's opinions is mind-boggling. So fucking what? I'm a Giants fan, who wants to win the Super Bowl, five times in a row, and I think Daniel jones is a garbage QB who is not worth banking on. Big fucking deal. It's not like there isn't substantial data to support my point of view, there is, and you know it. Grow up and accept some people have different opinions than you. Maybe you could open your mind, you might learn something. Up to now, in year four, it's pretty clear Daniel Jones will never be a great passer. Doesn't mean he can't win in an absolutely stacked situation, maybe he could, but it's a bad bet to make. We shouldn't wager the fortunes of this $5B organization on a guy who has no chance to be great. We're the New York Fucking Giants.



It's probably more your obnoxious fashion in which you state your opinion as absolute fact. "...I think Daniel Jones is a garbage QB.." is meant to elicit a specific reaction, and now your the one whining when others disagree with your opinion.
We'll see at year's end, but frankly you appear on any thread involving Jones to bash him, which generally puts many others on the defensive about a guy who, whether it's good enough or not, is laying it all on the line every week for his team.


So, he's supposed to state his opinion in a way that doesn't hurt your feelings? Seriously? Never heard the word "suck" before? Good grief...grow a pair!
and while he's definitely laying it on the line  
Producer : 11/22/2022 11:26 pm : link
you have to admit, they're all laying it on the line. So that doesn't say anything in particular about Daniel Jones. I don't think he's laying it on the line any more than anybody else. Or more than any of his QB peers.
Watching him play this season  
greatgrandpa : 11/23/2022 12:04 am : link
It’s obvious that the Giants can win with Jones. The question for Schoen and Daboll is can he take the team to the next level? This is where the arguments split and what they will look at over the next seven games which for Jones are almost all playoff games They will know after playing the Cowboys on the big stage the Eagles twice, Washington twice and the Colts (better than people think). A QB taking a team to the next level means using your own skills and performance under pressure and taking the players in the huddle with you and scoring points. No excuses. You know what they call a QB like that? Eli Manning
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Tom in NY : 11/23/2022 12:15 am : link
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other people's opinions is mind-boggling. So fucking what? I'm a Giants fan, who wants to win the Super Bowl, five times in a row, and I think Daniel jones is a garbage QB who is not worth banking on. Big fucking deal. It's not like there isn't substantial data to support my point of view, there is, and you know it. Grow up and accept some people have different opinions than you. Maybe you could open your mind, you might learn something. Up to now, in year four, it's pretty clear Daniel Jones will never be a great passer. Doesn't mean he can't win in an absolutely stacked situation, maybe he could, but it's a bad bet to make. We shouldn't wager the fortunes of this $5B organization on a guy who has no chance to be great. We're the New York Fucking Giants.



It's probably more your obnoxious fashion in which you state your opinion as absolute fact. "...I think Daniel Jones is a garbage QB.." is meant to elicit a specific reaction, and now your the one whining when others disagree with your opinion.
We'll see at year's end, but frankly you appear on any thread involving Jones to bash him, which generally puts many others on the defensive about a guy who, whether it's good enough or not, is laying it all on the line every week for his team.



So, he's supposed to state his opinion in a way that doesn't hurt your feelings? Seriously? Never heard the word "suck" before? Good grief...grow a pair!


No, that's not what I said. He intentionally uses language to elicit a response, and then complains when others defend the player. He has a right to be obnoxious...just don't whine about others response when they disagree.
No to your point about "growing a pair" who the hell asked to defend Producer? GTFOH!
RE: and while he's definitely laying it on the line  
Tom in NY : 11/23/2022 12:21 am : link
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you have to admit, they're all laying it on the line. So that doesn't say anything in particular about Daniel Jones. I don't think he's laying it on the line any more than anybody else. Or more than any of his QB peers.


I never said he was "laying it more on the line than others..." He's the Giants QB ans is playing for our team. If you don't like him, fine. Please spare me your indignation as for more than a year you have sought out any/all DJ comments to bash him. You have a lot invested in his failure... a long line of you opinions that "he is garbage." If it goes any other way, you will look the fool and we all know it.
Hey, you may be right but please tell me you are not going to start bashing JS and BD if they resign DJ.
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GMen72 : 11/23/2022 12:50 am : link
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other people's opinions is mind-boggling. So fucking what? I'm a Giants fan, who wants to win the Super Bowl, five times in a row, and I think Daniel jones is a garbage QB who is not worth banking on. Big fucking deal. It's not like there isn't substantial data to support my point of view, there is, and you know it. Grow up and accept some people have different opinions than you. Maybe you could open your mind, you might learn something. Up to now, in year four, it's pretty clear Daniel Jones will never be a great passer. Doesn't mean he can't win in an absolutely stacked situation, maybe he could, but it's a bad bet to make. We shouldn't wager the fortunes of this $5B organization on a guy who has no chance to be great. We're the New York Fucking Giants.



It's probably more your obnoxious fashion in which you state your opinion as absolute fact. "...I think Daniel Jones is a garbage QB.." is meant to elicit a specific reaction, and now your the one whining when others disagree with your opinion.
We'll see at year's end, but frankly you appear on any thread involving Jones to bash him, which generally puts many others on the defensive about a guy who, whether it's good enough or not, is laying it all on the line every week for his team.



So, he's supposed to state his opinion in a way that doesn't hurt your feelings? Seriously? Never heard the word "suck" before? Good grief...grow a pair!



No, that's not what I said. He intentionally uses language to elicit a response, and then complains when others defend the player. He has a right to be obnoxious...just don't whine about others response when they disagree.
No to your point about "growing a pair" who the hell asked to defend Producer? GTFOH!


So, he states his opinion as fact and uses language to elicit a response? Those sound like a you problem. Should he not believe the opinions he's expressing?

I guess I could care less how somebody says something...I'd never let someone I've never met, and never will, get in my head. To each, his own...
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Producer : 11/23/2022 1:01 am : link
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you have to admit, they're all laying it on the line. So that doesn't say anything in particular about Daniel Jones. I don't think he's laying it on the line any more than anybody else. Or more than any of his QB peers.



I never said he was "laying it more on the line than others..." He's the Giants QB ans is playing for our team. If you don't like him, fine. Please spare me your indignation as for more than a year you have sought out any/all DJ comments to bash him. You have a lot invested in his failure... a long line of you opinions that "he is garbage." If it goes any other way, you will look the fool and we all know it.
Hey, you may be right but please tell me you are not going to start bashing JS and BD if they resign DJ.


Tom, I don't mean to upset you. I have a conviction and I express it passionately. I am not invested in being right. I wish I was wrong. I wish Daniel Jones would be Peyton Manning. I really fucking do. But he's basically the same QB he has always been, just more efficient.
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Mad Mike : 11/23/2022 1:16 am : link
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Tom, I don't mean to upset you. I have a conviction and I express it passionately. I am not invested in being right. I wish I was wrong.

LOL.
Please tell me what player coming out this year can lead us  
Maijay : 11/23/2022 5:31 am : link
to the promised land. Daboll and company must by now have that the player in mind. So many feel Jones is not the answer but give me the player that right now who is a better prospect. I'm not a DJ apologist but I can't deal with the hot prospect that falls flat on his face like the Jets Zach Wilson.
Please somebody give me a player who can in a short time make us a Super Bowl contender. Let's face it we can only speculate and hope the Giant organization has a firm idea on how to proceed on the QB of the future. How long can we wait for our QB savior?
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mfjmfj : 11/23/2022 5:52 am : link
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other people's opinions is mind-boggling. So fucking what? I'm a Giants fan, who wants to win the Super Bowl, five times in a row, and I think Daniel jones is a garbage QB who is not worth banking on. Big fucking deal. It's not like there isn't substantial data to support my point of view, there is, and you know it. Grow up and accept some people have different opinions than you. Maybe you could open your mind, you might learn something. Up to now, in year four, it's pretty clear Daniel Jones will never be a great passer. Doesn't mean he can't win in an absolutely stacked situation, maybe he could, but it's a bad bet to make. We shouldn't wager the fortunes of this $5B organization on a guy who has no chance to be great. We're the New York Fucking Giants.
My view of DJ is roughly the same as the OP, but largely agree with Producer on people getting upset with other people's opinions. In my opinion there is no substantial data to support Producer's opinion, but he certainly has the right to have it and express it anyway he wants to. DJ really looks to be a 2nd tier NFL starter (i.e. 10-20) which is what he has always looked like. If you like him maybe you see him sneak into the top 10. If you think he is not a starter in the NFL, you don't actually understand football or see what gets trotted out at QB every year. For the record, I don't think Phil Simms was ever much better than a top 10 to 20 QB (and threw a ton more interceptions than DJ). And a lot of NFL people would put Eli in that 10 to 15 range (I wouldn'T). I definitely want DJ back, but not sure if we will be willing to pay what it takes. Only the coaching staff knows his real worth since they know what they are asking of him and why. If they are willing to pay through the nose for him (assuming nothing changes in his play and health, I don't see how he signs for less than 4/$110, $60 guaranteed) I am good with it. If they are willing to franchise him, I am OK but don't love it. If they are willing to let him walk I am good with that because they have the best view of whether he is worth the big money.
RE: Coach could survive 1 year  
Eman11 : 11/23/2022 6:39 am : link
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Of not contending for the playoffs with a rookie QB. But not multiple years.

I think we have debunked the ridiculous notion of a “multi year” rebuild as patently idiotic. A competent leadership team should be able to get to .500 in any other circumstance.


Problem is it won’t be one year if they go with Taylor next year. If they did that and struggled through a bad year, they’d get their QB after next season and then have to roll with him in his rookie season.

That would be two years after contending for a playoff spot (and hopefully getting it) with DJ this year.
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Route 9 : 11/23/2022 7:10 am : link
Yeah.

The Giants need to score points.

Can they get 28 points in a game?
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Route 9 : 11/23/2022 7:12 am : link
I actually think you're both annoying. Both crowds:


"I'm surprised DJ is getting criticized" and the ones to jump on him right away.
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section125 : 11/23/2022 7:44 am : link
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So, he states his opinion as fact and uses language to elicit a response? Those sound like a you problem. Should he not believe the opinions he's expressing?

I guess I could care less how somebody says something...I'd never let someone I've never met, and never will, get in my head. To each, his own...


and yet, here you are...

As to DJ, I like him. But I do not think he is "the one." He is not garbage, just a midlevel QB. Give him one good NFL WR with a couple of real NFL WRs and a Bellinger TE and you have Kirk Cousins with wheels.

If he had had Daboll to start with when drafted, I think he would have been much better at this point.

I think Schoen will move on after the season. Big money can be used more efficiently elsewhere.
Thought provoking thread  
UConn4523 : 11/23/2022 7:47 am : link
I learned a lot.
Dan Jones cannot fail  
eugibs : 11/23/2022 8:18 am : link
He can only be failed by the people around him.
George  
Lines of Scrimmage : 11/23/2022 8:28 am : link
Just the nature of the position. HC's and QB's are always the two top targets when things go poorly.

Jones has done some good things and JS has to decide is he enough of a QB and what cost is he willing to pay if he goes that route. I think JS would prefer to draft a QB but there are so many variables with that. Make the wrong choice and it he is probably looking for a HC in 3 years.

Cosell probably phrased it the best I have heard regarding QB's. Something like every QB needs help and the variable is how much. Look at Mark Sanchez. Played in two AFCCG's his first two years and a couple years later he was a career back up. So he was enough of a QB to accomplish this (and cheap) with a outstanding team but yet not enough to go further. Then when that team fell off it further highlighted his deficiencies.

This is what JS has to figure out if he sticks with Jones. That variable of help has a cost and not just money which complicates the issue.
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jomps : 11/23/2022 8:45 am : link
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other people's opinions is mind-boggling. So fucking what? I'm a Giants fan, who wants to win the Super Bowl, five times in a row, and I think Daniel jones is a garbage QB who is not worth banking on. Big fucking deal. It's not like there isn't substantial data to support my point of view, there is, and you know it. Grow up and accept some people have different opinions than you. Maybe you could open your mind, you might learn something. Up to now, in year four, it's pretty clear Daniel Jones will never be a great passer. Doesn't mean he can't win in an absolutely stacked situation, maybe he could, but it's a bad bet to make. We shouldn't wager the fortunes of this $5B organization on a guy who has no chance to be great. We're the New York Fucking Giants.

My view of DJ is roughly the same as the OP, but largely agree with Producer on people getting upset with other people's opinions. In my opinion there is no substantial data to support Producer's opinion, but he certainly has the right to have it and express it anyway he wants to. DJ really looks to be a 2nd tier NFL starter (i.e. 10-20) which is what he has always looked like. If you like him maybe you see him sneak into the top 10. If you think he is not a starter in the NFL, you don't actually understand football or see what gets trotted out at QB every year. For the record, I don't think Phil Simms was ever much better than a top 10 to 20 QB (and threw a ton more interceptions than DJ). And a lot of NFL people would put Eli in that 10 to 15 range (I wouldn'T). I definitely want DJ back, but not sure if we will be willing to pay what it takes. Only the coaching staff knows his real worth since they know what they are asking of him and why. If they are willing to pay through the nose for him (assuming nothing changes in his play and health, I don't see how he signs for less than 4/$110, $60 guaranteed) I am good with it. If they are willing to franchise him, I am OK but don't love it. If they are willing to let him walk I am good with that because they have the best view of whether he is worth the big money.


Mostly agree with what you said.
RE: You shouldn’t be surprised  
Tuckrule : 11/23/2022 8:45 am : link
In comment 15918597 dancing blue bear said:
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There a contingency that has been not so patiently waiting for that game. All season

I agree it was not terrible. But it will have to do…


The only terrible game played was his left guard. Atrocious. McNeill had 3 TFL and 3 QB hits. That’s squarely on the shoulders of lungy McGee aka Shane Lemieux who is not an nfl caliber player. He made McNeill look like Aaron Donald. I think the Shane experiment should be over and he should not be on the roster in 2023
RE: RE: Part of me can't wait until the season is over and  
Gatorade Dunk : 11/23/2022 8:48 am : link
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the decision is made. This debate is getting old. I guess for some fans this is an easy decision, for me its not really. I am incredibly neutral on Daniel Jones.

I think the Giants will role with Tyrod Taylor next year and continue improving the roster. Will be interesting to see where DJ ends up. Colts like to retry QBs. Imagine if the Commanders rolled the dice?



then there will just be another debate. This fanbase is shit

You're why.
RE: the amount of negative whining and complaining over  
joeinpa : 11/23/2022 9:00 am : link
In comment 15918618 Producer said:
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other people's opinions is mind-boggling. So fucking what? I'm a Giants fan, who wants to win the Super Bowl, five times in a row, and I think Daniel jones is a garbage QB who is not worth banking on. Big fucking deal. It's not like there isn't substantial data to support my point of view, there is, and you know it. Grow up and accept some people have different opinions than you. Maybe you could open your mind, you might learn something. Up to now, in year four, it's pretty clear Daniel Jones will never be a great passer. Doesn't mean he can't win in an absolutely stacked situation, maybe he could, but it's a bad bet to make. We shouldn't wager the fortunes of this $5B organization on a guy who has no chance to be great. We're the New York Fucking Giants.


Of course you re entitled to your opinion. But your track record in evaluating quarterbacks isn’t great. There is a list of quarterbacks beginning with Gardner Minshew ending with Malik Lewis who you stated with great conviction were a huge upgrade over Daniel
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ryanmkeane : 11/23/2022 9:08 am : link
Giants are 7-3 in large part due to his play.

How he finishes the season will play a big role in the decision making.

I for one think he's the franchise QB, let's see what he's got over the next 7 games.
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ryanmkeane : 11/23/2022 9:24 am : link
Jones is 10th in the league at 6.9 Y/A

All we heard in the offseason was that he sucked in this department and would never improve. Well, he's improved in completion percentage and Y/A in this offense. I imagine that stat would be a bit higher if our receivers were any good.
RE: RE: RE: the amount of negative whining and complaining over  
Dr. D : 11/23/2022 9:25 am : link
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In comment 15918618 Producer said:


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other people's opinions is mind-boggling. So fucking what? I'm a Giants fan, who wants to win the Super Bowl, five times in a row, and I think Daniel jones is a garbage QB who is not worth banking on. Big fucking deal. It's not like there isn't substantial data to support my point of view, there is, and you know it. Grow up and accept some people have different opinions than you. Maybe you could open your mind, you might learn something. Up to now, in year four, it's pretty clear Daniel Jones will never be a great passer. Doesn't mean he can't win in an absolutely stacked situation, maybe he could, but it's a bad bet to make. We shouldn't wager the fortunes of this $5B organization on a guy who has no chance to be great. We're the New York Fucking Giants.



It's probably more your obnoxious fashion in which you state your opinion as absolute fact. "...I think Daniel Jones is a garbage QB.." is meant to elicit a specific reaction, and now your the one whining when others disagree with your opinion.
We'll see at year's end, but frankly you appear on any thread involving Jones to bash him, which generally puts many others on the defensive about a guy who, whether it's good enough or not, is laying it all on the line every week for his team.



Bingo.

Bingo X 2
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ryanmkeane : 11/23/2022 9:27 am : link
Actually I read that list wrong, not 10th! But 14th. A few QBs above him at 7.0 and 7.1. Still an improvement however.
No issues with Jones  
mdthedream : 11/23/2022 9:36 am : link
at all. I don't understand how the Giants haven't brought in any help at TE and Wr this season. They bring in every other positions. Also Didn't like the Oline change last week.
RE: Dan Jones cannot fail  
eugibs : 11/23/2022 9:42 am : link
In comment 15918688 eugibs said:
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He can only be failed by the people around him.


When the Giants win, it’s because of Dan Jones. When the Giants lose, it’s because of everyone else. Not in the history of professional sports has an athlete garnered more goodwill and loyalty from a fan base for less production than Dan Jones.
RE: No issues with Jones  
Sammo85 : 11/23/2022 10:33 am : link
In comment 15918742 mdthedream said:
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at all. I don't understand how the Giants haven't brought in any help at TE and Wr this season. They bring in every other positions. Also Didn't like the Oline change last week.


They had and have no cap space! They made a choice to try to spend a little to upgrade OL to keep Jones more upright first. Smart move IMO given limited resources. I still think Neal pick will pay dividends too (having Thomas on new deal and Neal on rookie deal for few years) for impact and flexibility.

Taking a WR early (Drake London, Garrett Wilson) with one of the two 1sts could have been an option - but both of those guys are having some success but are not yet "#1" guys. It's something Giants will have to address this offseason with more cap space - adding a FA WR will be a necessity, even if it's just a #2/#3 guy. Adding an IOL too would be ideal.

They likely will have to cluster draft a few picks on offensive playmakers (WR, TE, even a RB at some point). They also can't ignore CB.

RE: RE: Dan Jones cannot fail  
section125 : 11/23/2022 10:36 am : link
In comment 15918750 eugibs said:
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He can only be failed by the people around him.



When the Giants win, it’s because of Dan Jones. When the Giants lose, it’s because of everyone else. Not in the history of professional sports has an athlete garnered more goodwill and loyalty from a fan base for less production than Dan Jones.


Really? I do not think too many would agree with you.
Is Jones going to be worth the money  
MeanBunny : 11/23/2022 10:39 am : link
I suspect we will drop him unless negotiations get us a hometown discount of a lot. Like a lot of money.
RE: RE: RE: Dan Jones cannot fail  
Dr. D : 11/23/2022 10:39 am : link
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He can only be failed by the people around him.



When the Giants win, it’s because of Dan Jones. When the Giants lose, it’s because of everyone else. Not in the history of professional sports has an athlete garnered more goodwill and loyalty from a fan base for less production than Dan Jones.



Really? I do not think too many would agree with you.

I think someone has some imaginary BBIers living in their head.
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Gatorade Dunk : 11/23/2022 10:42 am : link
In comment 15918738 ryanmkeane said:
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Actually I read that list wrong, not 10th! But 14th. A few QBs above him at 7.0 and 7.1. Still an improvement however.

Ryan, you mention that DJ improved in both completion percentage and Y/A. Those improvements are actually the same thing. The improvement in one necessarily informs an improvement in the other if all other factors remain equal.

The improvement in completion percentage is the sole reason for the improvement in Y/A. Trying to assign credit for each stat individually is redundant. You get that, right?
RE: the amount of negative whining and complaining over  
djm : 11/23/2022 11:41 am : link
In comment 15918618 Producer said:
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other people's opinions is mind-boggling. So fucking what? I'm a Giants fan, who wants to win the Super Bowl, five times in a row, and I think Daniel jones is a garbage QB who is not worth banking on. Big fucking deal. It's not like there isn't substantial data to support my point of view, there is, and you know it. Grow up and accept some people have different opinions than you. Maybe you could open your mind, you might learn something. Up to now, in year four, it's pretty clear Daniel Jones will never be a great passer. Doesn't mean he can't win in an absolutely stacked situation, maybe he could, but it's a bad bet to make. We shouldn't wager the fortunes of this $5B organization on a guy who has no chance to be great. We're the New York Fucking Giants.


Totally fair other than saying DJ is garbage. He’s not garbage and know this. Want garbage? Switch to the afc east, same stadium, last name Wilson.
Who’s bashing him?  
Section331 : 11/23/2022 11:50 am : link
There has been some deserved criticism of his 2 picks, just as there have been innumerable excuses made for them. How the 2nd pick was “like a punt” (a punt that was returned for 40 yards, mind you), or that Cager “alligator-armed a throw that was a foot over his head.

QB’s get criticized, maybe more than deserved at times, just as they get praised even when it isn’t deserved. Only here are criticisms deemed “bashing”.
He’s tied for 18th in yards per attempt  
ajr2456 : 11/23/2022 12:45 pm : link
Not 14th
YPA - ( New Window )
RE: Watching him play this season  
kickoff : 11/23/2022 1:14 pm : link
In comment 15918634 greatgrandpa said:
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It’s obvious that the Giants can win with Jones. The question for Schoen and Daboll is can he take the team to the next level? This is where the arguments split and what they will look at over the next seven games which for Jones are almost all playoff games They will know after playing the Cowboys on the big stage the Eagles twice, Washington twice and the Colts (better than people think). A QB taking a team to the next level means using your own skills and performance under pressure and taking the players in the huddle with you and scoring points. No excuses. You know what they call a QB like that? Eli Manning

Don"t know how anything can be judged with the multitude of starters injuries.
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kickoff : 11/23/2022 1:16 pm : link
In comment 15918726 ryanmkeane said:
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Giants are 7-3 in large part due to his play.

How he finishes the season will play a big role in the decision making.

I for one think he's the franchise QB, let's see what he's got over the next 7 games.

Totally agree!
For the folks on here who think DJ should be replaced or is garbage  
George from CT : 11/23/2022 4:48 pm : link
Who would you try to replace him with?
As a casual fan who has watched over 95% of the games for over 30 years,
I get and understand there are way more qualified individuals that see things I don’t, What am I missing? Is he not processing his reads correctly?
Please explain
If they run for no gain on the first two downs  
thrunthrublue : 11/24/2022 12:37 pm : link
That lets dallas 31 loose after jones, if jones is lucky and throws it out of bounds on down 3……there is enough blame to go around….Need Kafka and the O line to men up!
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