Nick Gates

The tell sometimes how individual players on the line are performing but it seemed to me like he was holding on well with pass blocking. He didn’t seem to be getting pushed back

And so will Lemieux. Hard to play against players that are in mid season form when you are in training camp form and condition.

Would not play Shane, but I would play Nick. Ezeudu is the right call at LG if he can go.

In comment 15918671 Dukie Dimes said:

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Would not play Shane, but I would play Nick. Ezeudu is the right call at LG if he can go.

Agree

games to get comfortable and work out some kinks for a couple games.

The SL decision is interesting and I don't recall seeing too much on why the decision to start him was made. Was it because of Ezuedu's injury or did the staff feel he is the best option? I thought it was surprising to start him with so much time missed unless they felt he was clearly the best option.

SL at LG but I would use SL as a blocking TE some.

The Giants lately are telegraphing (by design and formation) when they are running and this line (outside of late in the Jax game) has not shown they can just physically dominate you when you know what is coming.

What we need to do is become a bit more varied in attack even when using formations and groupings that scream one style (pass or run) only.

Gates at Center is ultimately where we need to do but, is he fully able to do it now? Might not have a choice regardless so hopefully he is ready and able to be the guy for a 60 min game.

AT-JE-NG-MG-EN is the preferred lineup but RT may be Peart or Phillips this week.

He will get better with more snaps. As for Skinner he was just a flash in the pan. The guy needs to go away

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And so will Lemieux. Hard to play against players that are in mid season form when you are in training camp form and condition.

Based on this past game only (and I recognize that it was his first game back from an extended stretch of injuries), Lemieux needs to improve just to deserve a roster spot. He should be at the bottom of the OG depth chart right now, and I don't know if there's much reason to be confident that he'll deserve to climb the depth chart anytime soon: after all, he can't make his arms get longer.

If you watched Skinner's OL report, he pointed out a number of times that Lemieux's positioning and technique was perfectly fine, but his short arms allowed the opposing DL to ragdoll him anyway. That's not because of midseason form, IMO, at least not entirely. Besides, midseason form also comes with some midseason fatigue. Training camp form comes with fresh legs. I don't think Lemieux's issues on Sunday arose from technique or conditioning, but it would be more encouraging if they had.

You can fix technique a lot more easily than you can fix anatomy. I think there's a very real possibility that Lemieux will always just be a liability in pass pro because of his short arms.

In comment 15918699 Gatorade Dunk said:

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In comment 15918664 section125 said: Quote: And so will Lemieux. Hard to play against players that are in mid season form when you are in training camp form and condition. Based on this past game only (and I recognize that it was his first game back from an extended stretch of injuries), Lemieux needs to improve just to deserve a roster spot. He should be at the bottom of the OG depth chart right now, and I don't know if there's much reason to be confident that he'll deserve to climb the depth chart anytime soon: after all, he can't make his arms get longer. If you watched Skinner's OL report, he pointed out a number of times that Lemieux's positioning and technique was perfectly fine, but his short arms allowed the opposing DL to ragdoll him anyway. That's not because of midseason form, IMO, at least not entirely. Besides, midseason form also comes with some midseason fatigue. Training camp form comes with fresh legs. I don't think Lemieux's issues on Sunday arose from technique or conditioning, but it would be more encouraging if they had. You can fix technique a lot more easily than you can fix anatomy. I think there's a very real possibility that Lemieux will always just be a liability in pass pro because of his short arms.

Eh, I'd rather have the midseason form over training camp, the conditioning is still better even if slightly dinged up.

But yes, physical build is a big factor with short arms a big negative.
Ezeudu will be a VG OG. He is just such a physical player. I think they were hoping to give that neck a rest so he'd be neat 100% the rest of the season.
But if Lemieux is that bad, they can release him and move on.

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He will get better with more snaps. As for Skinner he was just a flash in the pan. The guy needs to go away

How about backing that statement up with something. What is your reasoning? Personally, I find his Oline reports very informative.

there is zero point in playing Lemieux

There’s a reason he was designated to return later than Peart, Williams, Smith, and Gates. He was behind those guys, and he was on a different timeline, probably with a view to being activated in Week 13, not Week 11. As it happened, Ezeudu couldn’t practice, and The staff identified Lemieux as the best option. That appears to have been a mistake - one of many the staff made in their first truly terrible week.

Lemieux may ultimately stink, but I don’t think his dreadful performance against Detroit should weigh very heavily in the assessment. He shouldn’t have been in uniform, let alone starting. Maybe they should have played Anderson, or elevated Hamilton or Kinsley, and/or just rolled with Ezeudu once the medical staff cleared him. Regrettably, the tight cap situation may have been a factor.

As for Gates and the rest of the line, a reshuffle could be coming during the ten-day break if the unit flames out again tomorrow.

already better than Lemieux with a higher ceiling. Lemieux WEAK, consistently gets blown up into the backfield. ALways has, always will

In comment 15918798 Victor in CT said:

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already better than Lemieux with a higher ceiling. Lemieux WEAK, consistently gets blown up into the backfield. ALways has, always will

Ezeudu....

... Ekwonu is probably better than any of them, despite his rookie growing pains.

The center we saw in 2020 doesn't currently exist. Maybe he's getting close, as he approaches football shape. We're all rooting for him.

'A healthy Rich Seubert' was better than Jason Whittle, but that didn't matter much while Richie was rehabbing his leg in 2004-2005.

I think the Giants will still look to add a Guard or Center through the draft. It’s necessary to keep that bloodline going and that’s where your quality depth starts to come in too.

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... Ekwonu is probably better than any of them, despite his rookie growing pains.

Is he really? Not following the Panthers...

In comment 15918833 Big Blue Blogger said:

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The center we saw in 2020 doesn't currently exist. Maybe he's getting close, as he approaches football shape. We're all rooting for him. 'A healthy Rich Seubert' was better than Jason Whittle, but that didn't matter much while Richie was rehabbing his leg in 2004-2005.

Don’t know how close to 100% gates can get
But if we can count on him to be a younger, better version of JF in 2023. Find out now
I don’t think JF is bad, he is pretty good in run game. Pass pro not so good
Pretty much what I expected
Also wouldn’t mind seeing some BB at OC too
He may be an IOL starter next yr. I expected a bit more out of Glow.

the lions pushed them around like they were filled with helium......barkley had nothing but lions jerseys to crash into, as four or five lions smothered him in the backfield on every run, just like would happen if the giants only used their center. pitiful.