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NFT: World Cup Wednesday 11/23

bluefin : 11/23/2022 7:25 am
Group F, Croatia vs Morocco, 0 - 0; a good result for the Moroccans

8:00 Group E, Germany vs Japan

11:00 Group E, Spain vs Costa Rica

2:00 Group F, Belgium vs Canada

extra bonus: the lovely Jenny Taft is hosting

What are the expectations  
section125 : 11/23/2022 7:33 am : link
from Germany and Spain? Will they be up to France?
Watch for Japan in this group  
Sec 103 : 11/23/2022 7:48 am : link
I expect Spain and Germany but would not be surprised at Japan moving on.... Time will tell
RE: What are the expectations  
bluefin : 11/23/2022 7:55 am : link
In comment 15918665 section125 said:
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from Germany and Spain? Will they be up to France?

Germany is ranked #11 in the world, Spain #7, and Belgium is #2, and all three are certainly on par with #4 France - but any of them can be surprised by lower-ranked opponents who are juiced to be representing their countries on the big stage, (see Saudi Arabia), or teams that are better than what their FIFA rank may indicate (see Canada)
here we go  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 11/23/2022 8:03 am : link
Well can't say it's uneventful even with a couple of 0-0 draws.

Germany-Japan starting now but we have

-- Saudi Arabia 2-1 Argentina and then the Athletic posts an article detailing Messi's financial dealings with the Saudi government.

-- Manchester United announces Ronaldo won't return and then finally announces exploring a sale of the club.

-- Harry Kane scan on the ankle

-- and then the usual smorgasbord of issues with Qatar as host.

Be Champions!
Canada Could Surprise Belgium  
Jeffrey : 11/23/2022 8:17 am : link
The Belgians are an older team with many of their stars past their prime. Canada has two exciting and fast young players who could be the difference. Germany also relying upon some older players and took a hit with the loss of Timo Werner prior to WC. Werner had speed and when away from the craziness of Chelsea is a quality player. This should be a very good day of football.
Canada could definately  
section125 : 11/23/2022 8:26 am : link
surprise.

Thanks for overview of Germany, Belgium and et al. Seems that the Cup is perhaps a little more open for the taking this time around by the "hot team." The usual suspects are there of course.
I know..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/23/2022 8:31 am : link
that a lot of people think Canada might surprise, but I don't see it yet. Belgium isn't likely to win the Cup, but they still have the best playmaker in the game with Kevin de Bruyne and one of the best keepers.

David and Davies give teams something to account for when playing Canada, but the rest of their roster is not going to cause too many advantages.

Germany will now have a penalty to take the lead
Germany looking strong  
bluefin : 11/23/2022 8:38 am : link
dominating Japan early on
RE: Canada could definately  
bluefin : 11/23/2022 8:48 am : link
In comment 15918692 section125 said:
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surprise.

Thanks for overview of Germany, Belgium and et al. Seems that the Cup is perhaps a little more open for the taking this time around by the "hot team." The usual suspects are there of course.

I agree - any one of 8-12 teams could win depending on who gets hot, and also depth will be a factor in later rounds when yellow cards accumulate
RE: RE: Canada could definately  
jomps : 11/23/2022 9:26 am : link
In comment 15918711 bluefin said:
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surprise.

Thanks for overview of Germany, Belgium and et al. Seems that the Cup is perhaps a little more open for the taking this time around by the "hot team." The usual suspects are there of course.


I agree - any one of 8-12 teams could win depending on who gets hot, and also depth will be a factor in later rounds when yellow cards accumulate


It has never happened, and I don't think it's possible this time around.

Brazil, France, Argentina, England, Germany and Portugal are the strongest. Netherlands and maybe Belgium also have a shot but that's it, imv of course.
Japan with the equalizer  
Jints in Carolina : 11/23/2022 9:38 am : link
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Nice goal by Japan  
UConn4523 : 11/23/2022 9:38 am : link
felt like that was coming for a while. German D looks really shaky.
Germany just pulled a US  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 11/23/2022 9:38 am : link
They haven't adapted and now Japan is even and on the front foot.
Japan coming on strong pushing for goals  
Rick in Dallas : 11/23/2022 9:39 am : link
Just scored. Germany has missed multiple chances to score.
RE: RE: RE: Canada could definately  
section125 : 11/23/2022 9:41 am : link
In comment 15918737 jomps said:
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surprise.

Thanks for overview of Germany, Belgium and et al. Seems that the Cup is perhaps a little more open for the taking this time around by the "hot team." The usual suspects are there of course.


I agree - any one of 8-12 teams could win depending on who gets hot, and also depth will be a factor in later rounds when yellow cards accumulate



It has never happened, and I don't think it's possible this time around.

Brazil, France, Argentina, England, Germany and Portugal are the strongest. Netherlands and maybe Belgium also have a shot but that's it, imv of course.


FWIW, I did not mean Canada could win the Cup. Just that they could play well enough to advance a round. It will be won by one of the usual suspects.

I suspect Netherlands and England will do the usual foldo. I am hoping the US can tie England and beat Iran to advance.
Canada is a definite dark horse  
Rick in Dallas : 11/23/2022 9:43 am : link
Love their physical brand of play
Portugal  
NJBlueTuna : 11/23/2022 9:44 am : link
Thoughts on Ronaldo aside, as he is a polarizing player, Portugal just seems loaded (I mean absolutely stacked) with talent. I guess the question is whether it’s just a collection of stars/talent or can they play together as a team?
wow, this is awesome  
UConn4523 : 11/23/2022 9:45 am : link
2-1 Japan!
Wow…Japan with an outrageous goal  
Rick in Dallas : 11/23/2022 9:46 am : link
They deserve to win. Their speed on the wings is amazing
Wow, Japan up  
section125 : 11/23/2022 9:46 am : link
2-1. Scrappy fast team.
Japan!  
Jints in Carolina : 11/23/2022 9:47 am : link
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RE: Wow, Japan up  
giantBCP : 11/23/2022 9:47 am : link
In comment 15918757 section125 said:
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2-1. Scrappy fast team.


In a group with Spain, Germany is on the outside looking in right now.
Another stunner  
Producer : 11/23/2022 9:47 am : link
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I love WC chaos  
Rick in Dallas : 11/23/2022 9:48 am : link
Makes for terrific soccer.
I wish the USMNT plays with this intensity on Friday
This world cup is starting to resemble 2002.  
Producer : 11/23/2022 9:48 am : link
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What  
AcidTest : 11/23/2022 9:48 am : link
the hell was Neuer doing? Asano had a terrible angle. His only chance was to roof the shot into a very narrow space. It looked like Landon Donovan's goal in the WC in 2014 IIRC.
RE: What  
giantBCP : 11/23/2022 9:51 am : link
In comment 15918765 AcidTest said:
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the hell was Neuer doing? Asano had a terrible angle. His only chance was to roof the shot into a very narrow space. It looked like Landon Donovan's goal in the WC in 2014 IIRC.


How do you expect him to save a ball that’s blasted over his head? Attackers usually shoot high in situations like that.
7 minutes  
section125 : 11/23/2022 9:52 am : link
extra..
RE: RE: What are the expectations  
Optimus-NY : 11/23/2022 9:52 am : link
In comment 15918678 bluefin said:
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from Germany and Spain? Will they be up to France?


Germany is ranked #11 in the world, Spain #7, and Belgium is #2, and all three are certainly on par with #4 France - but any of them can be surprised by lower-ranked opponents who are juiced to be representing their countries on the big stage, (see Saudi Arabia), or teams that are better than what their FIFA rank may indicate (see Canada)


Egypt played Belgium on Friday in Kuwait in a friendly. Egypt won 2-1 with Salah playing. Belgium didn't look like anything special. They can be beat, just like Germany is gonna be right now.
RE: Portugal  
bluefin : 11/23/2022 9:53 am : link
In comment 15918753 NJBlueTuna said:
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Thoughts on Ronaldo aside, as he is a polarizing player, Portugal just seems loaded (I mean absolutely stacked) with talent. I guess the question is whether it’s just a collection of stars/talent or can they play together as a team?

Portugal is stacked and deep, but some say that CR7 and Bruno Fernandes are defensive liabilities, and coach Santos hasn’t kept up with modern tactics and formations, although he did lead them to win the Euro in 2016.
Japan has exposed the German back line big time  
Rick in Dallas : 11/23/2022 9:53 am : link
Their speed on the flanks is awesome to watch
RE: RE: RE: RE: Canada could definately  
jomps : 11/23/2022 9:55 am : link
In comment 15918749 section125 said:
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FWIW, I did not mean Canada could win the Cup. Just that they could play well enough to advance a round. It will be won by one of the usual suspects.

I suspect Netherlands and England will do the usual foldo. I am hoping the US can tie England and beat Iran to advance.


This I agree.

Germany and Argentina losing, this is looking incredibly well for me (Brazilian). Only France and England have shown great football so far.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Canada could definately  
Optimus-NY : 11/23/2022 9:56 am : link
In comment 15918774 jomps said:
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FWIW, I did not mean Canada could win the Cup. Just that they could play well enough to advance a round. It will be won by one of the usual suspects.

I suspect Netherlands and England will do the usual foldo. I am hoping the US can tie England and beat Iran to advance.



This I agree.

Germany and Argentina losing, this is looking incredibly well for me (Brazilian). Only France and England have shown great football so far.


My pop picked Brasil to win the WC this year. I picked Argentina (lol).
The height difference  
section125 : 11/23/2022 9:58 am : link
is incredible...
France are the strong favorites barring any serious injuries  
Rick in Dallas : 11/23/2022 9:58 am : link
England’s back line can be exposed. Especially Maguire.
RE: RE: Portugal  
giantBCP : 11/23/2022 9:59 am : link
In comment 15918771 bluefin said:
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Thoughts on Ronaldo aside, as he is a polarizing player, Portugal just seems loaded (I mean absolutely stacked) with talent. I guess the question is whether it’s just a collection of stars/talent or can they play together as a team?


Portugal is stacked and deep, but some say that CR7 and Bruno Fernandes are defensive liabilities, and coach Santos hasn’t kept up with modern tactics and formations, although he did lead them to win the Euro in 2016.


Expect Leao to explode.
RE: France are the strong favorites barring any serious injuries  
jomps : 11/23/2022 9:59 am : link
In comment 15918781 Rick in Dallas said:
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England’s back line can be exposed. Especially Maguire.


I think your opinion changes when Brazil plays tomorrow, I think them and France are both strong favorites over anyone else.
Good on Japan.  
section125 : 11/23/2022 10:00 am : link
I love the early upsets...
that was awesome  
UConn4523 : 11/23/2022 10:00 am : link
good for Japan.
way to go Japan!  
Jints in Carolina : 11/23/2022 10:02 am : link
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What a fabulous win by Japan  
Rick in Dallas : 11/23/2022 10:03 am : link
Their second half game plan and substitutes ran the German defense into the ground.
IMV, Asano’s game winner was awesome and Neuer had no chance. That’s a goal 9 out of 10 times
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Canada could definately  
jomps : 11/23/2022 10:04 am : link
In comment 15918777 Optimus-NY said:
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FWIW, I did not mean Canada could win the Cup. Just that they could play well enough to advance a round. It will be won by one of the usual suspects.

I suspect Netherlands and England will do the usual foldo. I am hoping the US can tie England and beat Iran to advance.



This I agree.

Germany and Argentina losing, this is looking incredibly well for me (Brazilian). Only France and England have shown great football so far.



My pop picked Brasil to win the WC this year. I picked Argentina (lol).


Hope he's right. And hope deep down in my heart you're wrong haha!

Last time Argentina lost to a non-EU in the WC was in 1990 1st game vs Cameron, they went on to play in the finals, so they're very dangerous yet.
RE: RE: RE: Portugal  
bluefin : 11/23/2022 10:04 am : link
In comment 15918783 giantBCP said:
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Thoughts on Ronaldo aside, as he is a polarizing player, Portugal just seems loaded (I mean absolutely stacked) with talent. I guess the question is whether it’s just a collection of stars/talent or can they play together as a team?


Portugal is stacked and deep, but some say that CR7 and Bruno Fernandes are defensive liabilities, and coach Santos hasn’t kept up with modern tactics and formations, although he did lead them to win the Euro in 2016.



Expect Leao to explode.

he’ll be a big factor tomorrow
RE: What a fabulous win by Japan  
section125 : 11/23/2022 10:05 am : link
In comment 15918791 Rick in Dallas said:
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Their second half game plan and substitutes ran the German defense into the ground.
IMV, Asano’s game winner was awesome and Neuer had no chance. That’s a goal 9 out of 10 times


That was tenacity fighting thru the defender and placing an accurate ball just under the bar with such a narrow view of the goal.
RE: Watch for Japan in this group  
bluefin : 11/23/2022 10:06 am : link
In comment 15918673 Sec 103 said:
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I expect Spain and Germany but would not be surprised at Japan moving on.... Time will tell

good call!
What does Costa Rica  
bluefin : 11/23/2022 10:11 am : link
need to do to have a chance vs Spain?
RE: What does Costa Rica  
giantBCP : 11/23/2022 10:47 am : link
In comment 15918803 bluefin said:
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need to do to have a chance vs Spain?


Nope. If you can understand Spanish, try to sync that audio from Chiringuito Inside on YouTube with the game. It’s a spectacle.
Spain toying with  
section125 : 11/23/2022 11:28 am : link
Costa Rica early. 2-0 already
RE: What does Costa Rica  
Jints in Carolina : 11/23/2022 11:31 am : link
In comment 15918803 bluefin said:
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need to do to have a chance vs Spain?


maybe show up? LOL

3-0 Spain
Granted CR is not a worthy WC opponent  
Sec 103 : 11/23/2022 12:47 pm : link
but this young Spanish team is gonna make some noise
Spain vs Germany  
Rick in Dallas : 11/23/2022 1:00 pm : link
Should be a fun match
Hard to say how good Spain is versus a team like Costs Rica
We will know more about Spain next match
Having said that Spain is stacked with quality and depth
Their second team could probably qualify for the WC on their own merits
I have a new fav player in Gavi. OMG is he talented
Spain ran a train on Costa Rica  
Optimus-NY : 11/23/2022 1:09 pm : link
Got DAYUM!
RE: Japan has exposed the German back line big time  
AcidTest : 11/23/2022 1:22 pm : link
In comment 15918772 Rick in Dallas said:
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Their speed on the flanks is awesome to watch


Yup.
Germany is not the same as two Cups ago  
ColHowPepper : 11/23/2022 1:25 pm : link
It was exposed in a couple of games 2018, Portugal? Löw knew it was time yet even he stayed a cycle too long.

Belgium v CAN should be interesting from tactical perspective, skill v physicality, aging v youth. Belgium probably has too much experience. I wouldn't put too much credence in the exhibition with Egypt: is it known how many of the first 11 played substantial minutes?
Rooting like crazy for Canada to get a win  
Rick in Dallas : 11/23/2022 1:58 pm : link
Best team in CONCACAF
RE: Granted CR is not a worthy WC opponent  
section125 : 11/23/2022 2:05 pm : link
In comment 15919009 Sec 103 said:
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but this young Spanish team is gonna make some noise


Agree, Spain looked very, very good.
with you  
ColHowPepper : 11/23/2022 2:06 pm : link
had to laugh when I saw the stat: ESP has never lost an int'l of any kind to a CONCACAF team
Clear penalty  
Producer : 11/23/2022 2:09 pm : link
Go Canada!
Canada with a penalty  
section125 : 11/23/2022 2:10 pm : link
shot. VAR handball on Belgium
RE: Canada with a penalty  
section125 : 11/23/2022 2:10 pm : link
In comment 15919127 section125 said:
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shot. VAR handball on Belgium


Ehh, save!
D’oh  
bluefin : 11/23/2022 2:11 pm : link
Canada!
Love the pressure Canada putting on Belgium  
Rick in Dallas : 11/23/2022 2:16 pm : link
Canada  
AcidTest : 11/23/2022 2:17 pm : link
with relentless pressure, but that missed penalty could be very costly.
Didn't  
AcidTest : 11/23/2022 2:22 pm : link
the Belgium coach used to coach Everton? Everton sucks.
RE: Canada  
bluefin : 11/23/2022 2:23 pm : link
In comment 15919141 AcidTest said:
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with relentless pressure, but that missed penalty could be very costly.

Yes Canada is forechecking well
if CAN keeps fouling Hazard  
ColHowPepper : 11/23/2022 2:27 pm : link
it will draw a Yellow for persistent infringement, doesn't matter if it's the same guy(s) or not
Canada  
AcidTest : 11/23/2022 2:30 pm : link
is trying to run Belgium off the field. It's creating some counterattacking opportunities for Belgium, but I love the aggressive strategy to take it right to them.
Belgium  
giantBCP : 11/23/2022 2:32 pm : link
is an embarrassment.
Davies snd Buchanan are world class players  
Rick in Dallas : 11/23/2022 2:35 pm : link
Canada is totally controlling the match
It keeps Hazard and DeBruyner from making plays on the ball
RE: Belgium  
section125 : 11/23/2022 2:35 pm : link
In comment 15919165 giantBCP said:
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is an embarrassment.


So far they are withstanding the relentless pressure and have had a couple counters.
Witsel with the sneaky  
section125 : 11/23/2022 2:39 pm : link
trip in the box....
Canada fell asleep  
section125 : 11/23/2022 2:44 pm : link
and give up the easy goal....
I  
AcidTest : 11/23/2022 2:44 pm : link
guess Belgium isn't an embarrassment. That's what they can do. They also have world class players.
Goal against the run of play  
Rick in Dallas : 11/23/2022 2:45 pm : link
Belgium over the top of the defense
RE: Belgium  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/23/2022 2:50 pm : link
In comment 15919165 giantBCP said:
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is an embarrassment.


I guess stupidity on game threads is International.
RE: RE: Belgium  
section125 : 11/23/2022 2:51 pm : link
In comment 15919187 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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is an embarrassment.



I guess stupidity on game threads is International.


Ha...
Canada needs to continue to pressure Belgium  
Rick in Dallas : 11/23/2022 2:54 pm : link
They will get quality chances in second half
Substitutions will be the key for Belgium as older players start to get tired
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jomps : 11/23/2022 2:54 pm : link
Canada played very well, I didn't expect that, if it wasn't for the ref screwing them they might be winning now.
You think Belgium is playing well?  
giantBCP : 11/23/2022 2:55 pm : link
Based on that half of football? Biggest fraud team around with their #2 FIFA ranking.
xG  
giantBCP : 11/23/2022 2:57 pm : link
2.34 - .66 in favor of Canada. I don’t put much stock into it in many cases, but I think that’s a fair representation of how the half went.
RE: You think Belgium is playing well?  
section125 : 11/23/2022 2:59 pm : link
In comment 15919194 giantBCP said:
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Based on that half of football? Biggest fraud team around with their #2 FIFA ranking.


You could put any of the top 8 teams, maybe 10, in almost any position in the rankings. Perhaps Brazil is a solid #1, but Argentina is #3 - based on having Messi?
RE: RE: Belgium  
Sec 103 : 11/23/2022 3:01 pm : link
In comment 15919187 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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is an embarrassment.



I guess stupidity on game threads is International.


On this and many other boards... LOL FMIC
RE: You think Belgium is playing well?  
Gruber : 11/23/2022 3:06 pm : link
In comment 15919194 giantBCP said:
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Based on that half of football? Biggest fraud team around with their #2 FIFA ranking.


Opening encounters in World Cups are often misleading.
Mind you, so are FIFA rankings.
Canada  
AcidTest : 11/23/2022 3:09 pm : link
played a very high line in the first half, pushing players forward to try and dominate the ball and wear out Belgium. It left them a little exposed at the back. That plus a nice play over the top by Belgium and a terrific finish produced the goal.

Canada is faster and stronger than Belgium, but they aren't converting the chances their speed and strength are creating.
Canada..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/23/2022 3:15 pm : link
has used a very good gameplan, but their thought was that this strategy would have caused several errors and led to a goal by now. Belgium has withstood the pressure because they have several players who have patience and are good on the ball and Canada will likely be gassed by the 75th minute.

You see it often when high pressure is applied for this duration.
Yeah,  
AcidTest : 11/23/2022 3:24 pm : link
If you're going to go balls out like Canada did in the first half you need to get something for all that effort. That missed penalty is brutal. But they do get five substitutions, and this being the first game they are likely at their healthiest and fittest right now. Belgium is also an older team.
Canada  
AcidTest : 11/23/2022 3:32 pm : link
is missing a lot of passes now. They not surprisingly looked fatigued.
Belgium misses Lukaku  
Producer : 11/23/2022 3:39 pm : link
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how can FIFA rankings be so off  
bluefin : 11/23/2022 3:51 pm : link
ranking Canada #41?
upstairs neighbor did good  
bluefin : 11/23/2022 3:57 pm : link
but Belgium holds on
Well they tried  
section125 : 11/23/2022 3:58 pm : link
a decent game plan, but did not convert any chances.
RE: how can FIFA rankings be so off  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/23/2022 4:06 pm : link
In comment 15919254 bluefin said:
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ranking Canada #41?


FIFA rankings are always over the place, but not sure questioning Canada at 41 based on a close loss is really all that legit. They have two world class players and they played scrappy, but Saudi Arabia is the 51st ranked team and they actually won their match.

At the end of the day, Canada's chances to advance out of their group aren't good right now - they will need a win at minimum to advance. FIFA's rankings are all over the place based on the criteria they use but teams like Canada often struggle to rise until they actually put together some decent wins - especially on the world stage.
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