I really wouldn't care if Judge walked or stayed. Re-sign Benintendi and focus on signing one of de Grom or Verlander and Xander Bogarts. This team needs more contact hitters and pitching. I feel like the Judge contract will end up being the new Robinson Cano contract.
Hope he wrings a $400+ mill plus deal out of them to bring back to the Yanks. But I suspect if he gets close to what he wants he may just stay. Not sure of the tax implications, but I know Cali has a 13% tax rate. Not sure what NYS and what NYC combined top rate would be.
I am surprised that Rizzo signed so quickly. Thought sure it was a good indicator that Judge would be back.
no matter if Judge leaves, no matter how outrageous the contract that team offers, the Yanks are the ones who will get blasted by the fans and media for letting him get away
10 years $400 mill. If that’s the case there’s no way he’s back as a Yankee. Hopefully there’s a plan B in place for Cashman
He is my current favorite player. But a 10 year deal is far to much. I love the guy and the way he plays, but 10 years to a 31 year old that will be off the field in 5 years is too, too much.
I really wouldn't care if Judge walked or stayed. Re-sign Benintendi and focus on signing one of de Grom or Verlander and Xander Bogarts. This team needs more contact hitters and pitching. I feel like the Judge contract will end up being the new Robinson Cano contract.
Yankees don't make the playoffs this year without Aaron Judge. I doubt they even finish above .500.
My gut tells me he signs with San Fran. Minimum would be $40 Million over 8 years. San Fran may have to go to 10 years ($400 Million.)
If he leaves, the Yankees don't take a step backwards. It will be a giant leap.
I really wouldn't care if Judge walked or stayed. Re-sign Benintendi and focus on signing one of de Grom or Verlander and Xander Bogarts. This team needs more contact hitters and pitching. I feel like the Judge contract will end up being the new Robinson Cano contract.
Yankees don't make the playoffs this year without Aaron Judge. I doubt they even finish above .500.
My gut tells me he signs with San Fran. Minimum would be $40 Million over 8 years. San Fran may have to go to 10 years ($400 Million.)
If he leaves, the Yankees don't take a step backwards. It will be a giant leap.
no matter if Judge leaves, no matter how outrageous the contract that team offers, the Yanks are the ones who will get blasted by the fans and media for letting him get away
IMO there's nothing sad about it. There's no salary cap in baseball and the Yanks can afford whoever they want at whatever price, and it's not even debatable. Somehow they've convinced the fans that they are operating under a tight budget.. nonsense, look at their revenue compared to other teams and it's not even close.
If they lose out on Judge after this season, it's nearly unforgiveable and they should get thrashed.
no matter if Judge leaves, no matter how outrageous the contract that team offers, the Yanks are the ones who will get blasted by the fans and media for letting him get away
IMO there's nothing sad about it. There's no salary cap in baseball and the Yanks can afford whoever they want at whatever price, and it's not even debatable. Somehow they've convinced the fans that they are operating under a tight budget.. nonsense, look at their revenue compared to other teams and it's not even close.
If they lose out on Judge after this season, it's nearly unforgiveable and they should get thrashed.
no matter if Judge leaves, no matter how outrageous the contract that team offers, the Yanks are the ones who will get blasted by the fans and media for letting him get away
IMO there's nothing sad about it. There's no salary cap in baseball and the Yanks can afford whoever they want at whatever price, and it's not even debatable. Somehow they've convinced the fans that they are operating under a tight budget.. nonsense, look at their revenue compared to other teams and it's not even close.
If they lose out on Judge after this season, it's nearly unforgiveable and they should get thrashed.
no matter if Judge leaves, no matter how outrageous the contract that team offers, the Yanks are the ones who will get blasted by the fans and media for letting him get away
IMO there's nothing sad about it. There's no salary cap in baseball and the Yanks can afford whoever they want at whatever price, and it's not even debatable. Somehow they've convinced the fans that they are operating under a tight budget.. nonsense, look at their revenue compared to other teams and it's not even close.
If they lose out on Judge after this season, it's nearly unforgiveable and they should get thrashed.
Totally agree. Imagine they come into the season with Donaldson back and Hicks with Judge gone. Talk about an epic disaster all around. Sick of the way this team operates. Never should of reached this stage with Judge.
The Yankees have little else on the roster that they can count on to consistently score runs. If Judge walks, they better have a major plan in place or else next year will be very bad.
Yankees were 15th in average and Judge hit .311 and the next closest was .261.
Yankees were 5th in OBP and Judge was at .425 and nobody was within .70 points of Judge.
Yankees were 4th in OPS and Judge was 1.11 and only 1 other player was above .800 and only 2 were above .700.
Judge was the offense and losing him will be devastating if they don't have a significant backup plan.
no matter if Judge leaves, no matter how outrageous the contract that team offers, the Yanks are the ones who will get blasted by the fans and media for letting him get away
Why is this sad? They had their chance last offseason and took what was -- even then -- a foolishly hardball position, and then leaked it to try and make AJ look bad.
They have made their bed, whether they pay through the nose now or take a well-deserved public beating for mismanaging the whole circus.
Hope he wrings a $400+ mill plus deal out of them to bring back to the Yanks. But I suspect if he gets close to what he wants he may just stay. Not sure of the tax implications, but I know Cali has a 13% tax rate. Not sure what NYS and what NYC combined top rate would be.
I am surprised that Rizzo signed so quickly. Thought sure it was a good indicator that Judge would be back.
NYC and NY just as bad as Cali
At least in CA,prop 13 keeps a lid on property taxes
Both state suck as far as taxation goes
He's the face of the franchise and the majority of their offense. It's not his fault that Hal is cheap. No one to blame for this but Hal and the Yanks.
It's gamesmanship for the way the Yanks leaked the contract offer earlier in the season.
With Judge, I don't think it's about the money, I think it's about which franchise shows him the most respect or shows they care about him. If the Yanks do a better job than SF on that front but their offer is lower than the Giants, I think he'll be back.
Will the Yankees continue to put together a highly flawed line-up with low-level bat contact skills?
He’s done his part in not hitting in the playoffs too. He’s not some post season stud. If he were we likely have Atleast a WS appearance during his tenure.
100 wins every season and seemingly make it to the ALCS or ALDS every year because they haven't won a championship since 2009, but he's going to go to the Giants who have made the playoffs 1 time in the past 5 years(lost in NLDS) because they won a championship 10 years ago? That makes sense in your head?
but I promise you its not because he's frustrated with how the Yankees build a team and happy with how the Giants do it. It will strictly be because of money.
Have to keep in mind that he’s childhood team is offering a boat load of money. Think if your were a mlb free agent and your childhood home team offered you a contract. We would all think very hard about going there.I know if I played for the angels and became a free agent and the Yankees offered me a contract,I would definitely sign with them. Assuming the money is comparable.
RE: So Judge is going to leave the Yankees who have
100 wins every season and seemingly make it to the ALCS or ALDS every year because they haven't won a championship since 2009, but he's going to go to the Giants who have made the playoffs 1 time in the past 5 years(lost in NLDS) because they won a championship 10 years ago? That makes sense in your head?
I think it would be because he's from the area. No offense to da Bronx.
I read on another site that he married his highschool sweetheart
The sense that I get is that no one out here seriously thinks Judge is coming out here. It’s not talked about or even considered a major story. The feeling out here is that the Giants are going through the motions
10 years $400 mill. If that’s the case there’s no way he’s back as a Yankee. Hopefully there’s a plan B in place for Cashman
SF’s GM hasn’t signed. Total value deal over 200mm. Just don’t see a 31yo being this brass’ first signee at that level.
I think he’s just doing the shopping he earned but that he doesn’t come back to the Yankees with anything that challenges their desire to keep Judge and make him the captain of the team.
The idea of the NY Yankees letting their iconic player walk out the door is insanity. And this isn’t exactly the Cardinals here. There’s zero reason to think the front office could parlay money not spent on Judge into a highly competitive roster in some other way.
“We don’t have Robinson Cano, so here’s Jacoby Ellsbury.”
Why part of me is convinced Judge leaves SF as a Giant and then the Yankees go full court press for Correa, even though that doesn't really fit their "plan".
The idea of the NY Yankees letting their iconic player walk out the door is insanity. And this isn’t exactly the Cardinals here. There’s zero reason to think the front office could parlay money not spent on Judge into a highly competitive roster in some other way.
He has to want to return. It is not a one way street. If he is pissed enough at Cashman and Hal divulging the $$ at the start of the year, it may be enough for him to take less or equal and go elsewhere.
the Steinbrenner family pays Judge? There is very little on field punishment for going over the luxury tax. The only punishment is the owners money. If the Yankees exceed the tax by 40 million their first draft pick drops back 10 spots. Big F'n deal.
Have you seen the Cashman Yankees draft? That's why they need a 300 million dollar payroll. If Hal hired a new GM and said we're going to change the baseball philosophy of the organization to emphasize developing our own players over everything else I might buy in. But with Cashman running things for the rest of his life you're worried about saving Hal's money especially on Aaron Judge?
MLB HAS NO SALARY CAP. MLB HAS NO SALARY CAP. MLB HAS NO SALARY CAP. MLB HAS NO SALARY CAP.
MLB isn't the NFL or the NHL. There is no competitive on the field reason to let Judge leave over money. If it turns out the back end of a long contract for Judge gets ugly the Yankees can pay him and release him. The only penalty for that is the Steinbrenner family wallet. If Judge is as disgusted with Hal and Cashman (for among other things paying Donaldson and IFK almost 30 million dollars next year and having a "budget") as most of the fan base is and wants to get far away from them, that's a different conversation for another day.
The Yankees are valued at 6 billion dollars. Should we start a go fund me for the Steinbrenner family so they can afford to keep a player who could have a Hall of Fame trajectory and is a superstar on the field and a solid citizen off the field?
Why do a lot of you want to protect the lucky sperm club billionaires profits rather than have the money go to the people who are the product and entertaining you? Jealousy? Stockholm Syndrome?
Most of you haven't read any of this but for the few who might, if you're curious here's how the MLB tax works.
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Competitive Balance Tax
Definition
Each year, clubs that exceed a predetermined payroll threshold are subject to a Competitive Balance Tax -- which is commonly referred to as a "luxury tax." Those who carry payrolls above that threshold are taxed on each dollar above the threshold, with the tax rate increasing based on the number of consecutive years a club has exceeded the threshold.
A team's Competitive Balance Tax figure is determined using the average annual value of each player's contract on the 40-man roster, plus any additional player benefits. Every team's final CBT figure is calculated at the end of each season. (Note: If a player signs a contract extension that doesn't kick in until a later season, his AAV for the purposes of the CBT doesn't change until the new deal begins.)
The following thresholds were put in place per the 2022-26 collective bargaining agreement:
2022: $230 million
2023: $233 million
2024: $237 million
2025: $241 million
2026: $244 million
A club that exceeds the Competitive Balance Tax threshold is subject to an increasing tax rate depending on how many consecutive years it has done so.
First year: 20 percent tax on all overages
Second consecutive year: 30 percent
Third consecutive year or more: 50 percent
If a club dips below the luxury tax threshold for a season, the penalty level is reset. So, a club that exceeds the threshold for two straight seasons but then drops below that level would be back at 20 percent the next time it exceeds the threshold.
There’s also a surcharge threshold for clubs that exceed the base threshold by $20 million or more.
$20 million to $40 million: 12 percent surcharge
$40 million to $60 million: 42.5 percent surcharge for first year; 45 percent for each consecutive year after that
$60 million or more: 60 percent surcharge
Clubs that are $40 million or more above the threshold shall have their highest selection in the next Rule 4 Draft moved back 10 places unless the pick falls in the top six. In that case, the team will have its second-highest selection moved back 10 places instead.
Hope he wrings a $400+ mill plus deal out of them to bring back to the Yanks. But I suspect if he gets close to what he wants he may just stay. Not sure of the tax implications, but I know Cali has a 13% tax rate. Not sure what NYS and what NYC combined top rate would be.
I am surprised that Rizzo signed so quickly. Thought sure it was a good indicator that Judge would be back.
I pointed this out in another thread. If he comes to SF he will pay 13% state tax for his SF home games and a considerable amount of California road games. NYS top tax is less than 9%. I believe NYC is nothing unless he has a residence in NYC.
Hope he wrings a $400+ mill plus deal out of them to bring back to the Yanks. But I suspect if he gets close to what he wants he may just stay. Not sure of the tax implications, but I know Cali has a 13% tax rate. Not sure what NYS and what NYC combined top rate would be.
I am surprised that Rizzo signed so quickly. Thought sure it was a good indicator that Judge would be back.
I pointed this out in another thread. If he comes to SF he will pay 13% state tax for his SF home games and a considerable amount of California road games. NYS top tax is less than 9%. I believe NYC is nothing unless he has a residence in NYC.
If you work in the City, you pay taxes, IIRC. New Yorkers can correct me if I am wrong on that. It is a double whammy.
Hope he wrings a $400+ mill plus deal out of them to bring back to the Yanks. But I suspect if he gets close to what he wants he may just stay. Not sure of the tax implications, but I know Cali has a 13% tax rate. Not sure what NYS and what NYC combined top rate would be.
I am surprised that Rizzo signed so quickly. Thought sure it was a good indicator that Judge would be back.
I pointed this out in another thread. If he comes to SF he will pay 13% state tax for his SF home games and a considerable amount of California road games. NYS top tax is less than 9%. I believe NYC is nothing unless he has a residence in NYC.
If you work in the City, you pay taxes, IIRC. New Yorkers can correct me if I am wrong on that. It is a double whammy.
Is that a recent change ? Back when I lived in Nassau county ( 3 and a half decades ago )there may have been some tiny commuter tax, but only NYC residents paid NYC income tax for working in the City.
RE: Why do so many of you guys care how much money
the Steinbrenner family pays Judge? There is very little on field punishment for going over the luxury tax. The only punishment is the owners money. If the Yankees exceed the tax by 40 million their first draft pick drops back 10 spots. Big F'n deal.
Have you seen the Cashman Yankees draft? That's why they need a 300 million dollar payroll. If Hal hired a new GM and said we're going to change the baseball philosophy of the organization to emphasize developing our own players over everything else I might buy in. But with Cashman running things for the rest of his life you're worried about saving Hal's money especially on Aaron Judge?
MLB HAS NO SALARY CAP. MLB HAS NO SALARY CAP. MLB HAS NO SALARY CAP. MLB HAS NO SALARY CAP.
MLB isn't the NFL or the NHL. There is no competitive on the field reason to let Judge leave over money. If it turns out the back end of a long contract for Judge gets ugly the Yankees can pay him and release him. The only penalty for that is the Steinbrenner family wallet. If Judge is as disgusted with Hal and Cashman (for among other things paying Donaldson and IFK almost 30 million dollars next year and having a "budget") as most of the fan base is and wants to get far away from them, that's a different conversation for another day.
The Yankees are valued at 6 billion dollars. Should we start a go fund me for the Steinbrenner family so they can afford to keep a player who could have a Hall of Fame trajectory and is a superstar on the field and a solid citizen off the field?
Why do a lot of you want to protect the lucky sperm club billionaires profits rather than have the money go to the people who are the product and entertaining you? Jealousy? Stockholm Syndrome?
Typical - it is somebody else's money so why should anyone else give a shit.
Maybe it isn't important to you or me, but it sure as shit is important to the "Family" and the other investors involved. They are not in it for the glory alone.
I could give a crap what they make, players or owners. But we should care because the Yankees are then send massive $$ to teams like the Diamondbacks, Pirates and Rays who really cheat on salaries and live off the largesse of the healthy franchises. It is not the payroll the Yanks, Dodgers or Mets pay their players, it is the scum owners that live off those teams' luxury tax and not putting the money back into their players' salaries.
I do not mind the players getting what they can - they deserve it. What I dislike is paying for guys like Ellsbury who collect massive amounts to sit home or guys making vast sums well past their effective playing days.
I am surprised that Rizzo signed so quickly. Thought sure it was a good indicator that Judge would be back.
I will say that if Judge isn't retained they should just completely scrap the FO and start over (not going to happen).
He is my current favorite player. But a 10 year deal is far to much. I love the guy and the way he plays, but 10 years to a 31 year old that will be off the field in 5 years is too, too much.
Yankees don't make the playoffs this year without Aaron Judge. I doubt they even finish above .500.
My gut tells me he signs with San Fran. Minimum would be $40 Million over 8 years. San Fran may have to go to 10 years ($400 Million.)
If he leaves, the Yankees don't take a step backwards. It will be a giant leap.
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I really wouldn't care if Judge walked or stayed. Re-sign Benintendi and focus on signing one of de Grom or Verlander and Xander Bogarts. This team needs more contact hitters and pitching. I feel like the Judge contract will end up being the new Robinson Cano contract.
Yankees don't make the playoffs this year without Aaron Judge. I doubt they even finish above .500.
My gut tells me he signs with San Fran. Minimum would be $40 Million over 8 years. San Fran may have to go to 10 years ($400 Million.)
If he leaves, the Yankees don't take a step backwards. It will be a giant leap.
This. Best of luck trying to replace Judge.
IMO there's nothing sad about it. There's no salary cap in baseball and the Yanks can afford whoever they want at whatever price, and it's not even debatable. Somehow they've convinced the fans that they are operating under a tight budget.. nonsense, look at their revenue compared to other teams and it's not even close.
If they lose out on Judge after this season, it's nearly unforgiveable and they should get thrashed.
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no matter if Judge leaves, no matter how outrageous the contract that team offers, the Yanks are the ones who will get blasted by the fans and media for letting him get away
IMO there's nothing sad about it. There's no salary cap in baseball and the Yanks can afford whoever they want at whatever price, and it's not even debatable. Somehow they've convinced the fans that they are operating under a tight budget.. nonsense, look at their revenue compared to other teams and it's not even close.
If they lose out on Judge after this season, it's nearly unforgiveable and they should get thrashed.
See what I mean?
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no matter if Judge leaves, no matter how outrageous the contract that team offers, the Yanks are the ones who will get blasted by the fans and media for letting him get away
IMO there's nothing sad about it. There's no salary cap in baseball and the Yanks can afford whoever they want at whatever price, and it's not even debatable. Somehow they've convinced the fans that they are operating under a tight budget.. nonsense, look at their revenue compared to other teams and it's not even close.
If they lose out on Judge after this season, it's nearly unforgiveable and they should get thrashed.
See what I mean?
Hey, if he gets it, great for him.
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no matter if Judge leaves, no matter how outrageous the contract that team offers, the Yanks are the ones who will get blasted by the fans and media for letting him get away
IMO there's nothing sad about it. There's no salary cap in baseball and the Yanks can afford whoever they want at whatever price, and it's not even debatable. Somehow they've convinced the fans that they are operating under a tight budget.. nonsense, look at their revenue compared to other teams and it's not even close.
If they lose out on Judge after this season, it's nearly unforgiveable and they should get thrashed.
Totally agree. Imagine they come into the season with Donaldson back and Hicks with Judge gone. Talk about an epic disaster all around. Sick of the way this team operates. Never should of reached this stage with Judge.
Yankees were 15th in average and Judge hit .311 and the next closest was .261.
Yankees were 5th in OBP and Judge was at .425 and nobody was within .70 points of Judge.
Yankees were 4th in OPS and Judge was 1.11 and only 1 other player was above .800 and only 2 were above .700.
Judge was the offense and losing him will be devastating if they don't have a significant backup plan.
Oh man, talk about a bad sign from the muses....
Why is this sad? They had their chance last offseason and took what was -- even then -- a foolishly hardball position, and then leaked it to try and make AJ look bad.
They have made their bed, whether they pay through the nose now or take a well-deserved public beating for mismanaging the whole circus.
I am surprised that Rizzo signed so quickly. Thought sure it was a good indicator that Judge would be back.
NYC and NY just as bad as Cali
At least in CA,prop 13 keeps a lid on property taxes
Both state suck as far as taxation goes
With Judge, I don't think it's about the money, I think it's about which franchise shows him the most respect or shows they care about him. If the Yanks do a better job than SF on that front but their offer is lower than the Giants, I think he'll be back.
Will the Yankees continue to put together a highly flawed line-up with low-level bat contact skills?
Will the Yankees continue to put together a highly flawed line-up with low-level bat contact skills?
He’s done his part in not hitting in the playoffs too. He’s not some post season stud. If he were we likely have Atleast a WS appearance during his tenure.
Will the Yankees continue to put together a highly flawed line-up with low-level bat contact skills?
Yeah, he can't possibly be happy that he's on a perennial contender, he'd much rather play with the juggernaut Giants.
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Will the Yankees continue to put together a highly flawed line-up with low-level bat contact skills?
Yeah, he can't possibly be happy that he's on a perennial contender, he'd much rather play with the juggernaut Giants.
How many World Series titles do the Yankees have in past dozen years?
And San Fran?
Will the Yankees continue to put together a highly flawed line-up with low-level bat contact skills?
They are in the playoffs every year in the best division in baseball, even if SF has had a couple WS wins in the last ten years.
Judge's 30% k rate is a contributor, also.
I think it would be because he's from the area. No offense to da Bronx.
That's true.
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Will the Yankees continue to put together a highly flawed line-up with low-level bat contact skills?
Yeah, he can't possibly be happy that he's on a perennial contender, he'd much rather play with the juggernaut Giants.
How many World Series titles do the Yankees have in past dozen years?
And San Fran?
How many times have the Giants been in the playoffs and how many times have the Yankees. Each trip is a chance to go to the WS. FWIW
SF’s GM hasn’t signed. Total value deal over 200mm. Just don’t see a 31yo being this brass’ first signee at that level.
I think he’s just doing the shopping he earned but that he doesn’t come back to the Yankees with anything that challenges their desire to keep Judge and make him the captain of the team.
I'm thinking he meant that Judge just doesn't want to be in NYC anymore.
If SF offers $400 10 years and the Yanks $400 8 years or $350 7 years, where do you sign?
He has to want to return. It is not a one way street. If he is pissed enough at Cashman and Hal divulging the $$ at the start of the year, it may be enough for him to take less or equal and go elsewhere.
Have you seen the Cashman Yankees draft? That's why they need a 300 million dollar payroll. If Hal hired a new GM and said we're going to change the baseball philosophy of the organization to emphasize developing our own players over everything else I might buy in. But with Cashman running things for the rest of his life you're worried about saving Hal's money especially on Aaron Judge?
MLB HAS NO SALARY CAP. MLB HAS NO SALARY CAP. MLB HAS NO SALARY CAP. MLB HAS NO SALARY CAP.
MLB isn't the NFL or the NHL. There is no competitive on the field reason to let Judge leave over money. If it turns out the back end of a long contract for Judge gets ugly the Yankees can pay him and release him. The only penalty for that is the Steinbrenner family wallet. If Judge is as disgusted with Hal and Cashman (for among other things paying Donaldson and IFK almost 30 million dollars next year and having a "budget") as most of the fan base is and wants to get far away from them, that's a different conversation for another day.
The Yankees are valued at 6 billion dollars. Should we start a go fund me for the Steinbrenner family so they can afford to keep a player who could have a Hall of Fame trajectory and is a superstar on the field and a solid citizen off the field?
Why do a lot of you want to protect the lucky sperm club billionaires profits rather than have the money go to the people who are the product and entertaining you? Jealousy? Stockholm Syndrome?
Most of you haven't read any of this but for the few who might, if you're curious here's how the MLB tax works.
Definition
Each year, clubs that exceed a predetermined payroll threshold are subject to a Competitive Balance Tax -- which is commonly referred to as a "luxury tax." Those who carry payrolls above that threshold are taxed on each dollar above the threshold, with the tax rate increasing based on the number of consecutive years a club has exceeded the threshold.
A team's Competitive Balance Tax figure is determined using the average annual value of each player's contract on the 40-man roster, plus any additional player benefits. Every team's final CBT figure is calculated at the end of each season. (Note: If a player signs a contract extension that doesn't kick in until a later season, his AAV for the purposes of the CBT doesn't change until the new deal begins.)
The following thresholds were put in place per the 2022-26 collective bargaining agreement:
2022: $230 million
2023: $233 million
2024: $237 million
2025: $241 million
2026: $244 million
A club that exceeds the Competitive Balance Tax threshold is subject to an increasing tax rate depending on how many consecutive years it has done so.
First year: 20 percent tax on all overages
Second consecutive year: 30 percent
Third consecutive year or more: 50 percent
If a club dips below the luxury tax threshold for a season, the penalty level is reset. So, a club that exceeds the threshold for two straight seasons but then drops below that level would be back at 20 percent the next time it exceeds the threshold.
There’s also a surcharge threshold for clubs that exceed the base threshold by $20 million or more.
$20 million to $40 million: 12 percent surcharge
$40 million to $60 million: 42.5 percent surcharge for first year; 45 percent for each consecutive year after that
$60 million or more: 60 percent surcharge
Clubs that are $40 million or more above the threshold shall have their highest selection in the next Rule 4 Draft moved back 10 places unless the pick falls in the top six. In that case, the team will have its second-highest selection moved back 10 places instead.
I am surprised that Rizzo signed so quickly. Thought sure it was a good indicator that Judge would be back.
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Hope he wrings a $400+ mill plus deal out of them to bring back to the Yanks. But I suspect if he gets close to what he wants he may just stay. Not sure of the tax implications, but I know Cali has a 13% tax rate. Not sure what NYS and what NYC combined top rate would be.
I am surprised that Rizzo signed so quickly. Thought sure it was a good indicator that Judge would be back.
I pointed this out in another thread. If he comes to SF he will pay 13% state tax for his SF home games and a considerable amount of California road games. NYS top tax is less than 9%. I believe NYC is nothing unless he has a residence in NYC.
If you work in the City, you pay taxes, IIRC. New Yorkers can correct me if I am wrong on that. It is a double whammy.
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Hope he wrings a $400+ mill plus deal out of them to bring back to the Yanks. But I suspect if he gets close to what he wants he may just stay. Not sure of the tax implications, but I know Cali has a 13% tax rate. Not sure what NYS and what NYC combined top rate would be.
I am surprised that Rizzo signed so quickly. Thought sure it was a good indicator that Judge would be back.
I pointed this out in another thread. If he comes to SF he will pay 13% state tax for his SF home games and a considerable amount of California road games. NYS top tax is less than 9%. I believe NYC is nothing unless he has a residence in NYC.
If you work in the City, you pay taxes, IIRC. New Yorkers can correct me if I am wrong on that. It is a double whammy.
Have you seen the Cashman Yankees draft? That's why they need a 300 million dollar payroll. If Hal hired a new GM and said we're going to change the baseball philosophy of the organization to emphasize developing our own players over everything else I might buy in. But with Cashman running things for the rest of his life you're worried about saving Hal's money especially on Aaron Judge?
MLB HAS NO SALARY CAP. MLB HAS NO SALARY CAP. MLB HAS NO SALARY CAP. MLB HAS NO SALARY CAP.
MLB isn't the NFL or the NHL. There is no competitive on the field reason to let Judge leave over money. If it turns out the back end of a long contract for Judge gets ugly the Yankees can pay him and release him. The only penalty for that is the Steinbrenner family wallet. If Judge is as disgusted with Hal and Cashman (for among other things paying Donaldson and IFK almost 30 million dollars next year and having a "budget") as most of the fan base is and wants to get far away from them, that's a different conversation for another day.
The Yankees are valued at 6 billion dollars. Should we start a go fund me for the Steinbrenner family so they can afford to keep a player who could have a Hall of Fame trajectory and is a superstar on the field and a solid citizen off the field?
Why do a lot of you want to protect the lucky sperm club billionaires profits rather than have the money go to the people who are the product and entertaining you? Jealousy? Stockholm Syndrome?
Typical - it is somebody else's money so why should anyone else give a shit.
Maybe it isn't important to you or me, but it sure as shit is important to the "Family" and the other investors involved. They are not in it for the glory alone.
I could give a crap what they make, players or owners. But we should care because the Yankees are then send massive $$ to teams like the Diamondbacks, Pirates and Rays who really cheat on salaries and live off the largesse of the healthy franchises. It is not the payroll the Yanks, Dodgers or Mets pay their players, it is the scum owners that live off those teams' luxury tax and not putting the money back into their players' salaries.
I do not mind the players getting what they can - they deserve it. What I dislike is paying for guys like Ellsbury who collect massive amounts to sit home or guys making vast sums well past their effective playing days.