You don’t sit the number 2 pick in the draft in his 2nd year. Even Saleh can’t be that dumb.
He’s still a young player that has time. They’re in the playoff hunt and don’t want to throw the season away. I don’t see anything wrong with the move, and it doesn’t mean that they don’t believe in Wilson long term.
they benched Wilson. Let me rephrase, I am surprised they benched him now, instead of after the Bears game. If Flacco or White bomb this Sunday, you really can't go back to Wilson that quickly or you will lose the locker room. I think putting Wilson on notice heading into this game, seeing how he responds would give you better options going forward.
Instead he takes Wilson out now and without much of a chance of putting him back in if things do not go well.
...Chicago who may be without Fields. I was listening to WFAN and they are speculating that Woody doesn't want the crowd booing as he expects a sell out. The Jets should be favored to win this one with any of their QBs. This is a difficult road for Zach Wilson.
You don’t sit the number 2 pick in the draft in his 2nd year. Even Saleh can’t be that dumb.
Why was it dumb? The Jets are winning by defense, despite Wilson. And if he didn't bench Wilson, he'd lost the team.
I think you have to be VERY careful here. The best course of action was put him on notice and the offense in general and then have your backup QB ready to play if needed.
Instead, it comes off as a knee jerk reaction- Wilson sucked but so did Jones for New England and the loss was really on the ST's. If Flacco struggles or worse, gets hurt, now you go back To Wilson and what, he is suddenly leading the team. Every time he gets sacked, misses a throw or turns it over the whole place will fall apart internally and explode externally!
At this point you basically have a Darnold situation all over again in NY.
which makes me wonder if Flacco is the backup. You can't go back to Wilson after this...
Guarantee Wilson will be the starter vs the Lions..
Jets see the schedule, let Mike White play against the Bears light em up and give the fans something tl be happy about, he then gets crushed by the vikings and Bills on the road and they go back to Wilson against lions at home, he plays well
I think if Wilson had displayed even the least bit
will lose the locker room. Saleh is doing all he can and one thing is for sure, you can’t keep trotting out a player that plays like Wilson.
This is the main thing.
As a head coach, you can't risk losing the locker room when the defense and other facets have been playing at a level way above a second year quarterback with some maturity issues.
but at the this point you now have ZERO alternatives. You cannot go back to Wilson PERIOD! It is White and it is Flacco...
You don't move your starter to inactive and then think if the new starter struggles we will go back to Wilson.. This shit show is made worse by the quick decision.. Listen to what Jason McCourty said about the Jets and Wilson this morning on GMFB.
I agree Wilson needed to be benched but to do it now you have painted yourself into a corner and it is ride or die with this decision.
they benched Wilson. Let me rephrase, I am surprised they benched him now, instead of after the Bears game. If Flacco or White bomb this Sunday, you really can't go back to Wilson that quickly or you will lose the locker room. I think putting Wilson on notice heading into this game, seeing how he responds would give you better options going forward.
Instead he takes Wilson out now and without much of a chance of putting him back in if things do not go well.
I hope the Bears beat them Sunday.
Look, Wilson benched himself. Not only was the offense miserable, he was miserable. And that's not even the worst of it. He might have survived that dismal performance, but then in his postgame comments he didn't take any accountability. THAT is what loses a locker room if you're considered a leader.
You need to take ownership of the problem, and he didn't do that. Saquon after last game only talked about how he needed to do better, and while that is probably true, the reason they failed was the interior of the line and more was collapsed on almost every run play. He could've said, "there's nowhere for me to go when there's no blocking up front." And that would've even be truthful, but he doesn't throw his teammates under the bus.
Wilson is very close to being viewed as a draft bust, because the most concerning thing I saw with him was the lack of leadership and accountability, and he'll never succeed without adjusting his attitude.
they benched Wilson. Let me rephrase, I am surprised they benched him now, instead of after the Bears game. If Flacco or White bomb this Sunday, you really can't go back to Wilson that quickly or you will lose the locker room. I think putting Wilson on notice heading into this game, seeing how he responds would give you better options going forward.
Instead he takes Wilson out now and without much of a chance of putting him back in if things do not go well.
I hope the Bears beat them Sunday.
Look, Wilson benched himself. Not only was the offense miserable, he was miserable. And that's not even the worst of it. He might have survived that dismal performance, but then in his postgame comments he didn't take any accountability. THAT is what loses a locker room if you're considered a leader.
You need to take ownership of the problem, and he didn't do that. Saquon after last game only talked about how he needed to do better, and while that is probably true, the reason they failed was the interior of the line and more was collapsed on almost every run play. He could've said, "there's nowhere for me to go when there's no blocking up front." And that would've even be truthful, but he doesn't throw his teammates under the bus.
Wilson is very close to being viewed as a draft bust, because the most concerning thing I saw with him was the lack of leadership and accountability, and he'll never succeed without adjusting his attitude.
Again, I get it and I agree, except with the timing. You now have made it impossible to go back if needed. If you had made a declaration that his play needs to be better and we will see after this weeks game (a game you should win) then you gave yourself time. Now, it is done. If White gets hurt or struggles against the Bears your next option is Flacco, not Wilson. From here it will be a distraction if the other two QB's struggle.
I have zero issue with Wilson being benched it is just the timing and how you do it. Overall I couldn't care less about the Jets but as an observer this seems to be poorly handled.
Is if a sure thing (really how many are there) alternative was to present itself.
As many of you know, I support both teams and would love to see DJ as the QB of this Jets team if Giants do not recognize a tough, smart winner under their noses.
It might be hard to unseat White if he just plays mediocre
I'm 43, and never in my life have I really hated the Jets, except during the Rex Ryan era. For me, it's not like Yankees-Mets or even Knicks-Nets where I have real enmity for the other team.
That said, I would wager on Wilson being a bust at this point. That QB class isn't looking too stellar right now.
of humility and taken some blame for last week’s loss, he’d have been the starter this week. Saleh couldn’t afford to lose his locker room.
+1
It's probably what happened. Good for the Jets. Gutsy decision, but ultimately the right one for them moving forward. QBs are no longer the sacred cows they once were.
benching was more than warranted. The Jets have a good defense. Wilson has not only played poorly for a long period of time, he's refusing to acknowledge that fact, which is alienating the other players. Poor play or a bad attitude can get anyone benched. Both are very likely, especially for a second year player with no track record of success. Aaron Rodgers is a PITA, but he's a HOF player. Wilson right now looks like another in a long line of top five QBs who busted. The problem for the Jets is that they've now used two top five picks in the last five years on those players.
I nonetheless think the Jets could come back to Wilson this year, especially if they become convinced that the benching has humbled him and White plays poorly.
Daniel Jones is the highly-rated QB of a playoff contender.
that, but for Wilson's tone-deaf post-game presser this past Sunday, he'd still be the starter right now.
I'm pretty sure Saleh spoke before Wilson after the game on Sunday, and he said Wilson was the QB. Then Wilson steps up and says what he said. A day later, Saleh says the QB position is essentially open. And today, he announces Wilson's benching.
It's not an easy spot for Saleh, since his team is in the running for the playoffs. I think there's definitely an argument that you keep the young player in there and have him work through the difficulties. But Wilson's post-game comments completely flipped the field. Now Saleh has to worry about his defense losing respect for him. The Jets might be able to win with a QB who isn't playing well. I don't see it happening if they also have a defense who doesn't want to play at all.
They are competitive this year and he's been awful. I don't think its a complete death sentence for his career but it's a very bad sign. Might also he a wakeup call.
they benched Wilson. Let me rephrase, I am surprised they benched him now, instead of after the Bears game. If Flacco or White bomb this Sunday, you really can't go back to Wilson that quickly or you will lose the locker room. I think putting Wilson on notice heading into this game, seeing how he responds would give you better options going forward.
Instead he takes Wilson out now and without much of a chance of putting him back in if things do not go well.
I hope the Bears beat them Sunday.
Look, Wilson benched himself. Not only was the offense miserable, he was miserable. And that's not even the worst of it. He might have survived that dismal performance, but then in his postgame comments he didn't take any accountability. THAT is what loses a locker room if you're considered a leader.
You need to take ownership of the problem, and he didn't do that. Saquon after last game only talked about how he needed to do better, and while that is probably true, the reason they failed was the interior of the line and more was collapsed on almost every run play. He could've said, "there's nowhere for me to go when there's no blocking up front." And that would've even be truthful, but he doesn't throw his teammates under the bus.
Wilson is very close to being viewed as a draft bust, because the most concerning thing I saw with him was the lack of leadership and accountability, and he'll never succeed without adjusting his attitude.
Again, I get it and I agree, except with the timing. You now have made it impossible to go back if needed. If you had made a declaration that his play needs to be better and we will see after this weeks game (a game you should win) then you gave yourself time. Now, it is done. If White gets hurt or struggles against the Bears your next option is Flacco, not Wilson. From here it will be a distraction if the other two QB's struggle.
I have zero issue with Wilson being benched it is just the timing and how you do it. Overall I couldn't care less about the Jets but as an observer this seems to be poorly handled.
The timing is bad, but his comments forced their hands.
about moving on from Wilson permanently. And starting now. Wilson is a gifted thrower but he's turning into a worse version of Jeff George.
Time for the Jets to start studying the 2023 QB class for a replacement.
The Jets have an elite defense, good young wr’s and rb’s when/if Breece returns to form. That team can win now. They’re going after a veteran QB in the offseason. They don’t need elite play so much as above average competence at the position. I could see Jimmy G and Derek Carr as options there.
Wilson’s mouth is punching him a ticket out of town much like Joe Judge. If he didn’t blow that postgame interview he’s probably starting. I actually like what Saleh said about Wilson mentally needing a reset. I liken it to a relief pitcher who needs an IL stint to clear his head.
He’ll get another chance unless Mike White takes off.
RE: If true, there has to be a bigger backstory ...
You don’t sit the number 2 pick in the draft in his 2nd year. Even Saleh can’t be that dumb.
The backstory is he sounded like an asshole in his postgame interview and the locker room wasn’t so quiet about being pissed off with him. So it was sit Wilson or risk the locker room blowing up.
Wilson supposedly spoke to the team today and players said his apology was genuine.
Conventional wisdom would have been to go to the veteran Flacco. Instead, they go with White, while they still have a shot at the playoffs. What does that say about Wilson's future, regardless of Saleh's public comments? And, what does that say about Flacco? He might be more pissed than Wilson.
He deserves the benching. Blaming the wind and then his comment when he says "No" that he didn't let the team down when he was asked was inexcusable while also considering even from the beginning he seems ot want to shuck responsibility right form the start.
You may read from some others that it was a mistake to bench him but they are wrong. The players supposedly were pissed off about his comments. The Jets Defense is elite. Wilson already lot the locker room.
As a result, the comments made "you can't go back to Wilson," ofc you can. And to further that, as a coach you manage/coach your team to win. SO there are multiple reasons why you have backups QB's. For the Jets it's also because of this reason - in case your young QB shits the bed (especially while losing the locker room as in this case he shows no accountability.).
RE: RE: RE: If true, there has to be a bigger backstory ...
You don’t sit the number 2 pick in the draft in his 2nd year. Even Saleh can’t be that dumb.
Why was it dumb? The Jets are winning by defense, despite Wilson. And if he didn't bench Wilson, he'd lost the team.
I think you have to be VERY careful here. The best course of action was put him on notice and the offense in general and then have your backup QB ready to play if needed.
Instead, it comes off as a knee jerk reaction- Wilson sucked but so did Jones for New England and the loss was really on the ST's. If Flacco struggles or worse, gets hurt, now you go back To Wilson and what, he is suddenly leading the team. Every time he gets sacked, misses a throw or turns it over the whole place will fall apart internally and explode externally!
At this point you basically have a Darnold situation all over again in NY.
His play is only a small part of the equation. It’s the Atticus, the inability to be a leader. He is trying to to reach the young kid something. You’re the leader and must assume all accountability for your team. That’s what leaders do. If he doesn’t learn that he won’t be king for NY. Jones is the complete opposite of Wilson in that regard
Much ado about nothing - Unless it becomes something
Forgot whether injury forced or not, but Jets did a Zach hiatus last year, and he seemed to have slowed down whatever was going on in his head when he returned to starting role.
Remember that this staff had 3 games to evaluate Flacco as starter this year and clearly someone with some juice was not impressed.
He’s still a young player that has time. They’re in the playoff hunt and don’t want to throw the season away. I don’t see anything wrong with the move, and it doesn’t mean that they don’t believe in Wilson long term.
Instead he takes Wilson out now and without much of a chance of putting him back in if things do not go well.
I hope the Bears beat them Sunday.
jvm52106 - I am with you here. I am sure the troll is rooting.
Why was it dumb? The Jets are winning by defense, despite Wilson. And if he didn't bench Wilson, he'd lost the team.
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You don’t sit the number 2 pick in the draft in his 2nd year. Even Saleh can’t be that dumb.
Why was it dumb? The Jets are winning by defense, despite Wilson. And if he didn't bench Wilson, he'd lost the team.
I think you have to be VERY careful here. The best course of action was put him on notice and the offense in general and then have your backup QB ready to play if needed.
Instead, it comes off as a knee jerk reaction- Wilson sucked but so did Jones for New England and the loss was really on the ST's. If Flacco struggles or worse, gets hurt, now you go back To Wilson and what, he is suddenly leading the team. Every time he gets sacked, misses a throw or turns it over the whole place will fall apart internally and explode externally!
At this point you basically have a Darnold situation all over again in NY.
which makes me wonder if Flacco is the backup. You can't go back to Wilson after this...
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which makes me wonder if Flacco is the backup. You can't go back to Wilson after this...
Guarantee Wilson will be the starter vs the Lions..
Jets see the schedule, let Mike White play against the Bears light em up and give the fans something tl be happy about, he then gets crushed by the vikings and Bills on the road and they go back to Wilson against lions at home, he plays well
This is the main thing.
As a head coach, you can't risk losing the locker room when the defense and other facets have been playing at a level way above a second year quarterback with some maturity issues.
This is shaping up into a real Buddy Ryan-esque offense vs defense team...
You don't move your starter to inactive and then think if the new starter struggles we will go back to Wilson.. This shit show is made worse by the quick decision.. Listen to what Jason McCourty said about the Jets and Wilson this morning on GMFB.
I agree Wilson needed to be benched but to do it now you have painted yourself into a corner and it is ride or die with this decision.
This is shaping up into a real Buddy Ryan-esque offense vs defense team...
Who knew that one of his tools was being one.
Instead he takes Wilson out now and without much of a chance of putting him back in if things do not go well.
I hope the Bears beat them Sunday.
Look, Wilson benched himself. Not only was the offense miserable, he was miserable. And that's not even the worst of it. He might have survived that dismal performance, but then in his postgame comments he didn't take any accountability. THAT is what loses a locker room if you're considered a leader.
You need to take ownership of the problem, and he didn't do that. Saquon after last game only talked about how he needed to do better, and while that is probably true, the reason they failed was the interior of the line and more was collapsed on almost every run play. He could've said, "there's nowhere for me to go when there's no blocking up front." And that would've even be truthful, but he doesn't throw his teammates under the bus.
Wilson is very close to being viewed as a draft bust, because the most concerning thing I saw with him was the lack of leadership and accountability, and he'll never succeed without adjusting his attitude.
Time for the Jets to start studying the 2023 QB class for a replacement.
Once again the Jets HAND the starting job to a high draft pick that is not ready to play let alone start.
Same thing they did with Sanchez and Darnold.
I don't see any upside to this kid. He is afraid to take a hit to make a play and is wildly inaccurate at every level with no pressure.
B-U-S-T
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they benched Wilson. Let me rephrase, I am surprised they benched him now, instead of after the Bears game. If Flacco or White bomb this Sunday, you really can't go back to Wilson that quickly or you will lose the locker room. I think putting Wilson on notice heading into this game, seeing how he responds would give you better options going forward.
Instead he takes Wilson out now and without much of a chance of putting him back in if things do not go well.
I hope the Bears beat them Sunday.
Look, Wilson benched himself. Not only was the offense miserable, he was miserable. And that's not even the worst of it. He might have survived that dismal performance, but then in his postgame comments he didn't take any accountability. THAT is what loses a locker room if you're considered a leader.
You need to take ownership of the problem, and he didn't do that. Saquon after last game only talked about how he needed to do better, and while that is probably true, the reason they failed was the interior of the line and more was collapsed on almost every run play. He could've said, "there's nowhere for me to go when there's no blocking up front." And that would've even be truthful, but he doesn't throw his teammates under the bus.
Wilson is very close to being viewed as a draft bust, because the most concerning thing I saw with him was the lack of leadership and accountability, and he'll never succeed without adjusting his attitude.
Again, I get it and I agree, except with the timing. You now have made it impossible to go back if needed. If you had made a declaration that his play needs to be better and we will see after this weeks game (a game you should win) then you gave yourself time. Now, it is done. If White gets hurt or struggles against the Bears your next option is Flacco, not Wilson. From here it will be a distraction if the other two QB's struggle.
I have zero issue with Wilson being benched it is just the timing and how you do it. Overall I couldn't care less about the Jets but as an observer this seems to be poorly handled.
As many of you know, I support both teams and would love to see DJ as the QB of this Jets team if Giants do not recognize a tough, smart winner under their noses.
That said, I would wager on Wilson being a bust at this point. That QB class isn't looking too stellar right now.
Jets did as much DD and we did with toney and baker
Seriously, scouting is an all yr job. U should be able to get some better insights
Probably true.
+1
It's probably what happened. Good for the Jets. Gutsy decision, but ultimately the right one for them moving forward. QBs are no longer the sacred cows they once were.
I nonetheless think the Jets could come back to Wilson this year, especially if they become convinced that the benching has humbled him and White plays poorly.
Go figure.
I'm pretty sure Saleh spoke before Wilson after the game on Sunday, and he said Wilson was the QB. Then Wilson steps up and says what he said. A day later, Saleh says the QB position is essentially open. And today, he announces Wilson's benching.
It's not an easy spot for Saleh, since his team is in the running for the playoffs. I think there's definitely an argument that you keep the young player in there and have him work through the difficulties. But Wilson's post-game comments completely flipped the field. Now Saleh has to worry about his defense losing respect for him. The Jets might be able to win with a QB who isn't playing well. I don't see it happening if they also have a defense who doesn't want to play at all.
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they benched Wilson. Let me rephrase, I am surprised they benched him now, instead of after the Bears game. If Flacco or White bomb this Sunday, you really can't go back to Wilson that quickly or you will lose the locker room. I think putting Wilson on notice heading into this game, seeing how he responds would give you better options going forward.
Instead he takes Wilson out now and without much of a chance of putting him back in if things do not go well.
I hope the Bears beat them Sunday.
Look, Wilson benched himself. Not only was the offense miserable, he was miserable. And that's not even the worst of it. He might have survived that dismal performance, but then in his postgame comments he didn't take any accountability. THAT is what loses a locker room if you're considered a leader.
You need to take ownership of the problem, and he didn't do that. Saquon after last game only talked about how he needed to do better, and while that is probably true, the reason they failed was the interior of the line and more was collapsed on almost every run play. He could've said, "there's nowhere for me to go when there's no blocking up front." And that would've even be truthful, but he doesn't throw his teammates under the bus.
Wilson is very close to being viewed as a draft bust, because the most concerning thing I saw with him was the lack of leadership and accountability, and he'll never succeed without adjusting his attitude.
Again, I get it and I agree, except with the timing. You now have made it impossible to go back if needed. If you had made a declaration that his play needs to be better and we will see after this weeks game (a game you should win) then you gave yourself time. Now, it is done. If White gets hurt or struggles against the Bears your next option is Flacco, not Wilson. From here it will be a distraction if the other two QB's struggle.
I have zero issue with Wilson being benched it is just the timing and how you do it. Overall I couldn't care less about the Jets but as an observer this seems to be poorly handled.
The timing is bad, but his comments forced their hands.
As will lack of toughness and team attitude.
Wilson lacks both.
Time for the Jets to start studying the 2023 QB class for a replacement.
The Jets have an elite defense, good young wr’s and rb’s when/if Breece returns to form. That team can win now. They’re going after a veteran QB in the offseason. They don’t need elite play so much as above average competence at the position. I could see Jimmy G and Derek Carr as options there.
Wilson’s mouth is punching him a ticket out of town much like Joe Judge. If he didn’t blow that postgame interview he’s probably starting. I actually like what Saleh said about Wilson mentally needing a reset. I liken it to a relief pitcher who needs an IL stint to clear his head.
He’ll get another chance unless Mike White takes off.
The backstory is he sounded like an asshole in his postgame interview and the locker room wasn’t so quiet about being pissed off with him. So it was sit Wilson or risk the locker room blowing up.
Wilson supposedly spoke to the team today and players said his apology was genuine.
The Jets suck and it does my heart good to see them go down in flames.
See below.
https://www.newyorkjets.com/video/qb-zach-wilson-postgame-press-conference-11-20-jets-at-patriots
He deserves the benching. Blaming the wind and then his comment when he says "No" that he didn't let the team down when he was asked was inexcusable while also considering even from the beginning he seems ot want to shuck responsibility right form the start.
You may read from some others that it was a mistake to bench him but they are wrong. The players supposedly were pissed off about his comments. The Jets Defense is elite. Wilson already lot the locker room.
As a result, the comments made "you can't go back to Wilson," ofc you can. And to further that, as a coach you manage/coach your team to win. SO there are multiple reasons why you have backups QB's. For the Jets it's also because of this reason - in case your young QB shits the bed (especially while losing the locker room as in this case he shows no accountability.).
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You don’t sit the number 2 pick in the draft in his 2nd year. Even Saleh can’t be that dumb.
Why was it dumb? The Jets are winning by defense, despite Wilson. And if he didn't bench Wilson, he'd lost the team.
I think you have to be VERY careful here. The best course of action was put him on notice and the offense in general and then have your backup QB ready to play if needed.
Instead, it comes off as a knee jerk reaction- Wilson sucked but so did Jones for New England and the loss was really on the ST's. If Flacco struggles or worse, gets hurt, now you go back To Wilson and what, he is suddenly leading the team. Every time he gets sacked, misses a throw or turns it over the whole place will fall apart internally and explode externally!
At this point you basically have a Darnold situation all over again in NY.
His play is only a small part of the equation. It’s the Atticus, the inability to be a leader. He is trying to to reach the young kid something. You’re the leader and must assume all accountability for your team. That’s what leaders do. If he doesn’t learn that he won’t be king for NY. Jones is the complete opposite of Wilson in that regard
Remember that this staff had 3 games to evaluate Flacco as starter this year and clearly someone with some juice was not impressed.