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Giants will not draft a QB in Rd.1

Bill in UT : 11/24/2022 5:44 pm
Why not stick my neck out? This team needs to draft a CB, a WR and an ILB/WR on days 1 and 2. They can't afford to go QB and lose those 3 picks. I don't know if they sign Jones to a new contract, tag him or let him go for Taylor. And I'm really wary of signing Barkley to a multi-year deal. Just my thoughts after watching 1 Qtr+ today. And going along with the thread to start drinking early :)
I totally agree with you  
Earl the goat : 11/24/2022 5:48 pm : link
Especially since we are dentists
agreed...  
outeiroj : 11/24/2022 5:52 pm : link
they have 9 picks next year and need to spend all of them on trying to add skills positions in rounds 1-3 and also rebuild the bottom of the roster in rounds 4-7
it is an awful  
pjcas18 : 11/24/2022 5:54 pm : link
strategy to go in to the draft and say the the team "has to draft..." any position in the premium draft rounds and no team does that.
I just remembered they have an extra 3rd round pick  
Bill in UT : 11/24/2022 5:59 pm : link
for Toney. That should be a 2nd WR or a RB if they don't keep Barkley.
RE: it is an awful  
Bill in UT : 11/24/2022 6:01 pm : link
In comment 15920263 pjcas18 said:
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strategy to go in to the draft and say the the team "has to draft..." any position in the premium draft rounds and no team does that.


Of course, this obviously assumes that there are players of value at those positions when the Giants draft. And maybe they pick up a FA before the draft that changes that, but better to get the low cost guys in the draft.
They will draft the best player available  
Larry in Pencilvania : 11/24/2022 6:20 pm : link
Team needs talent
Giants should not act desperate for a QB  
fkap : 11/24/2022 6:23 pm : link
but if a good prospect falls in their lap, go ahead and pull the trigger.

After that, position of need is a meaningless category. Virtually every position is one of need. Position will factor in, but BPA should take precedence IF there's a clear BPA gap.
I’d prefer  
GiantsRage2007 : 11/24/2022 7:40 pm : link
A qb who can complete a 5 yard pass but you go ahead and keep Jones
Whether you're a DJ believer or not,  
Anakim : 11/24/2022 7:43 pm : link
Kafka and Daboll have little faith in him to carry out their offense. We're what? 28th in the league in passing? Last in big plays? Sure, some of that has to do with our receiving unit, which is absolutely dreadful, but they have NO faith in DJ pushing the ball down the field.


We may not draft a QB in Round 1, but it wouldn't surprise me one bit if we had a new
RE: I’d prefer  
Jim in Fairfax : 11/24/2022 7:44 pm : link
In comment 15920917 GiantsRage2007 said:
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A qb who can complete a 5 yard pass but you go ahead and keep Jones
It would help to have receivers who could catch a 5 yard pass.
This goes under the negative column for Jones  
Sean : 11/24/2022 7:46 pm : link
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Agree.  
Dave in Hoboken : 11/24/2022 7:48 pm : link
Lots of folks gonna be disappointed. He'll be here next year.
Running down 15 with no tempo?  
GMen72 : 11/24/2022 7:48 pm : link
They definitely have no faith in him to run a 2 minute offense. End of the 1st half was pathetic.

Two different drives and they need DJ to make an accurate 2 yard pass and he missed badly on both.
RE: Agree.  
Anakim : 11/24/2022 7:52 pm : link
In comment 15920973 Dave in Hoboken said:
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Lots of folks gonna be disappointed. He'll be here next year.


I'm not so sure about that. Daboll and Kafka have yet to unleash their offense. Whether that's because of the lack of faith in DJ or the shitty WR unit (or both), I don't know, but this offense is a shell of what it's supposed to be.
Love ya Bill but  
bwitz : 11/24/2022 7:57 pm : link
QB makes the team go. Jones just doesn’t have it. They certainly do have multiple other players that are needed, but it starts at the head. At the moment, Jones is nothing but a middling QB.
I reckon it's going to be the biggest challenge  
Gruber : 11/24/2022 8:11 pm : link
facing Joe Schoen: finding a QB. Jones is not the answer, but I don't see how they can realistically be in a position to draft one in 2023. Not sure what they do.
RE: I reckon it's going to be the biggest challenge  
Anakim : 11/24/2022 8:15 pm : link
In comment 15921115 Gruber said:
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facing Joe Schoen: finding a QB. Jones is not the answer, but I don't see how they can realistically be in a position to draft one in 2023. Not sure what they do.


It wouldn't surprise me one bit if they rolled with Tyrod, while signing or trading for some competition (Jordan Love?). Don't think it'll be Jimmy G or Baker Mayfield.
RE: I reckon it's going to be the biggest challenge  
bwitz : 11/24/2022 8:31 pm : link
In comment 15921115 Gruber said:
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facing Joe Schoen: finding a QB. Jones is not the answer, but I don't see how they can realistically be in a position to draft one in 2023. Not sure what they do.


The last time this franchise got their QB, they traded for him in the draft. It’s not out of the realm of possibility that they do the same again and sacrifice future draft picks for a guy they want.
RE: RE: I reckon it's going to be the biggest challenge  
PetesHereNow : 11/24/2022 8:35 pm : link
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facing Joe Schoen: finding a QB. Jones is not the answer, but I don't see how they can realistically be in a position to draft one in 2023. Not sure what they do.



The last time this franchise got their QB, they traded for him in the draft. It’s not out of the realm of possibility that they do the same again and sacrifice future draft picks for a guy they want.


It’s a vast difference trading up from 4 to 1 for Eli and trading up from where we will be picking (15-25, I’d guess) up high enough to get one of the top two QB’s.
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Scooter185 : 11/24/2022 8:38 pm : link
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facing Joe Schoen: finding a QB. Jones is not the answer, but I don't see how they can realistically be in a position to draft one in 2023. Not sure what they do.



The last time this franchise got their QB, they traded for him in the draft. It’s not out of the realm of possibility that they do the same again and sacrifice future draft picks for a guy they want.



It’s a vast difference trading up from 4 to 1 for Eli and trading up from where we will be picking (15-25, I’d guess) up high enough to get one of the top two QB’s.


That's how Buffalo ended up with JA too
Did you see us running the ball  
Jerry in_DC : 11/24/2022 8:51 pm : link
Over and over when we were down by 15 midway through the 4th quarter? Thats a coaching staff that has confidence in the QB?
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PetesHereNow : 11/24/2022 8:53 pm : link
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facing Joe Schoen: finding a QB. Jones is not the answer, but I don't see how they can realistically be in a position to draft one in 2023. Not sure what they do.



The last time this franchise got their QB, they traded for him in the draft. It’s not out of the realm of possibility that they do the same again and sacrifice future draft picks for a guy they want.



It’s a vast difference trading up from 4 to 1 for Eli and trading up from where we will be picking (15-25, I’d guess) up high enough to get one of the top two QB’s.



That's how Buffalo ended up with JA too


Buffalo traded 21 and OT Cordy Glenn to Cincinnati for 12.

Then they traded 12 and 2 2nds to Tampa for 7 where they selected Allen.

We’re not going to trade a young OL to move up and then we don’t have multiple 2nd rounders to move up in top the top 10.
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bwitz : 11/24/2022 9:08 pm : link
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facing Joe Schoen: finding a QB. Jones is not the answer, but I don't see how they can realistically be in a position to draft one in 2023. Not sure what they do.



The last time this franchise got their QB, they traded for him in the draft. It’s not out of the realm of possibility that they do the same again and sacrifice future draft picks for a guy they want.



It’s a vast difference trading up from 4 to 1 for Eli and trading up from where we will be picking (15-25, I’d guess) up high enough to get one of the top two QB’s.


This is obvious and, why I said they would have to trade future picks to get a guy they wanted should anything happen.
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PetesHereNow : 11/24/2022 9:11 pm : link
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facing Joe Schoen: finding a QB. Jones is not the answer, but I don't see how they can realistically be in a position to draft one in 2023. Not sure what they do.



The last time this franchise got their QB, they traded for him in the draft. It’s not out of the realm of possibility that they do the same again and sacrifice future draft picks for a guy they want.



It’s a vast difference trading up from 4 to 1 for Eli and trading up from where we will be picking (15-25, I’d guess) up high enough to get one of the top two QB’s.



This is obvious and, why I said they would have to trade future picks to get a guy they wanted should anything happen.


Ok, we can give up multiple number 1 picks but we better not miss. The team has far too many holes to do that, IMO.
RE: Love ya Bill but  
Bill in UT : 11/24/2022 9:41 pm : link
In comment 15921026 bwitz said:
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QB makes the team go. Jones just doesn’t have it. They certainly do have multiple other players that are needed, but it starts at the head. At the moment, Jones is nothing but a middling QB.


Where we'll be drafting, we won't get anything but a middling QB, unless we give away a ton of picks, which will mean we still end up with all the holes we have now.
Here’s what we know  
Breeze_94 : 11/24/2022 10:51 pm : link
LT Thomas
LG Ezeudu/Bredeson
RG Glowinski (stop gap)/McKethan
RT Neal

DL Lawrence
DL Williams
Edge KT
Edge Ojulari
LB McFadden/Beavers
CB Jackson
FS McKinney
SS Belton

Decisions on Jones, Barkley, Slayton, Love, Gates

So this team needs possibly a QB, RB, RB2, WR1-3, TE2, C, RG, swing T, DL, ILB, CB, Nickel and a punter. And a returner too.
RE: Here’s what we know  
Breeze_94 : 11/24/2022 10:53 pm : link
In comment 15921522 Breeze_94 said:
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LT Thomas
LG Ezeudu/Bredeson
RG Glowinski (stop gap)/McKethan
RT Neal

DL Lawrence
DL Williams
Edge KT
Edge Ojulari
LB McFadden/Beavers
CB Jackson
FS McKinney
SS Belton

Decisions on Jones, Barkley, Slayton, Love, Gates

So this team needs possibly a QB, RB, RB2, WR1-3, TE2, C, RG, swing T, DL, ILB, CB, Nickel and a punter. And a returner too.


Basically we have the team we thought the Giants would have. But won more games than expected.
Great post Breeze  
gersh : 11/25/2022 2:30 am : link
There is enough there to build with for sure.
QB is such a difficult position to fill, as it is so difficult to play at a high level and so crucial to a teams success.

I think Jones has proven that he can be a legit starting QB in the league, but will not be a guy to consistently raise his team to victory.

I think Daboll/ Kafka have proven they can scheme to a QBs strengths and protect his weaknesses.

Ultimately, Jones is better than Tyrod Taylor and, I’m guessing, anyone they can draft this year (without using a lot of draft picks)

As has been discussed ad nauseum, at what price? My guess is that a value will be placed on Jones. If he walks, the decision was made we are better off with Taylor and developing a guy with raw talent in the draft.
Hindsight is always 20-20  
HomerJones45 : 11/25/2022 8:27 am : link
But maybe we should have kept the fields pick and picked fields.

Jones is done here. We are going to draft a quarterback. Maybe not in round one but we are going to draft one. In the meantime, we will get a cheap quarterback among the various free agents. there is nothing Jones does that can’t be duplicated by one of the other cheap free agent qb’s that are going to be available
taking a longshot flier  
fkap : 11/25/2022 8:49 am : link
on a sub round 1 QB is a luxury we can't afford. The odds are too long compared to other positions which are of dire need.

Even the 2nd half of round 1 is too iffy for me with so much building left to do.
Roster needs help in many areas. But I see no reason why,  
chick310 : 11/25/2022 8:54 am : link
if Schoen has an evaluation that he really likes on a guy, he wouldn't take a QB in Rd 1.


RE: RE: I’d prefer  
Gatorade Dunk : 11/25/2022 9:13 am : link
In comment 15920957 Jim in Fairfax said:
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A qb who can complete a 5 yard pass but you go ahead and keep Jones

It would help to have receivers who could catch a 5 yard pass.

You think the receivers suck now, wait until Jones is making 4x what he makes now (along with the other players on this roster who are also at/approaching their second contract).

Having your QB on his rookie contract is the biggest advantage you get in the cap era. If you're missing significant pieces at the time when you go from rookie contract to second contract, it can become significantly more difficult to improve those other pieces at the same time that you're increasing your QB cap allocation.

The idea that we can't draft a QB because we have too many other holes is just as ridiculous as the idea that we could fill all those holes while spending 4x as much on the same QB that needs help to succeed at $8M.
RE: Running down 15 with no tempo?  
speedywheels : 11/25/2022 1:36 pm : link
In comment 15920978 GMen72 said:
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They definitely have no faith in him to run a 2 minute offense. End of the 1st half was pathetic.

Two different drives and they need DJ to make an accurate 2 yard pass and he missed badly on both.


The end of the first half was "pathetic"?? They drove 40 yards in less than 2 minutes and kicked a fucking FG.

JFC, some of you are ridiculous whiners.

PS - Barkley should have caught that ball. Period. Full stop.
RE: I’d prefer  
kickoff : 11/25/2022 1:37 pm : link
In comment 15920917 GiantsRage2007 said:
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A qb who can complete a 5 yard pass but you go ahead and keep Jones

I've been and still am a supporter of DJ but that pass was awful and in my mind a game changer. It's on him not SB.
RE: RE: I’d prefer  
gary_from_chester : 11/25/2022 2:07 pm : link
In comment 15922140 kickoff said:
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A qb who can complete a 5 yard pass but you go ahead and keep Jones


I've been and still am a supporter of DJ but that pass was awful and in my mind a game changer. It's on him not SB.


It wasn’t a great pass…BUT

Barkley has been very disappointing as a pass catcher. Bad hands, bad route runner. He’s been much better this year at blitz pickup, I’ll give him that. He’s just not very good as a pass catcher; watch the good ones - Kamara, McCaffrey, Ekeler, etc….he’s not in their league. He’s dropped those types of throws quite a bit in his career….
Waiting for game four of group stage to sub  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 11/25/2022 3:30 pm : link
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RE: Hindsight is always 20-20  
Sean : 11/25/2022 3:41 pm : link
In comment 15921668 HomerJones45 said:
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But maybe we should have kept the fields pick and picked fields.

Jones is done here. We are going to draft a quarterback. Maybe not in round one but we are going to draft one. In the meantime, we will get a cheap quarterback among the various free agents. there is nothing Jones does that can’t be duplicated by one of the other cheap free agent qb’s that are going to be available

I tend to agree.
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