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DefenseWins : 11/24/2022 7:35 pm
Hopefully I am allowed to start this thread. Many issues with the team again. Between an anemic offense and a defense giving up big plays, you cannot beat a good team. However, overlay officiating that is criminal, you have no chance.

That said, I also think the coaches had another bad game. Two stinkers in a row for our coaches on both offense and defense.
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JerrysKids : 11/24/2022 10:50 pm : link
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RE: RE: Cowboys had 2x number of penalties  
sharp315 : 11/24/2022 10:51 pm : link
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Why is everyone whining about the refs???



Because we needed a relatively level playing field, and those two penalties affected the scoreboard when the game was still close.

.... Cowboys defense had more penalty yards than any of our skill players. Anyone trying to pin this on the refs is lost.
Jones also missed James in the flat that would  
kelly : 11/24/2022 10:51 pm : link
Have been a first down and more. Jones throws to the right flat we're off.in your forth year you need to ba able to consistently make that throw.

I supported Jones but growing weary.will he ever be more than what he is now? I don't know.

Maybe we will need to start over. We could make a splash in free agency if we didn't spend money on Jones and Barkley.
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ajr2456 : 11/24/2022 10:54 pm : link
In comment 15921519 JerrysKids said:
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That’s worse than originally thought and not worth the complaints
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JerrysKids : 11/24/2022 10:57 pm : link
It was extremely catchable. NFL players do not drop balls like that very often.
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Producer : 11/24/2022 11:04 pm : link
In comment 15921528 JerrysKids said:
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It was extremely catchable. NFL players do not drop balls like that very often.


I don't know what NFL you're watching. NFL receivers drop balls all the time, even the very good ones. All QBs have to overcome drops at some point.
This thread is entertaining  
Rjanyg : 11/24/2022 11:09 pm : link
Everyone of Dallas’ starters played tonight on both O and D. We had backups at C, LG, RT, TE, Slot WR, WR, CB1, CB2, FS

We were leading at halftime. The refs sucked balls.

Daboll SHOULD NOT have gone for it at our own 45 that early in the game only down by 1. The fact the pass was off target and Saquon could have caught it is reason enough. Field position is big in a tight game. You need to force teams to go the length of the field.

I really like Daboll, but haven’t Jackson return punts and going for it at our 45 in that situation are 2 very bad decisions.
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djm : 11/24/2022 11:13 pm : link
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This team is dealing with 3rd and 4th strings against the 2nd best defensive in the league.
They played well and were in the game until the 4th quarter.
The defense held strong today against an offense that has been on fire with once again 3rd string CB's
Coaching game plan was well put together and Jones played smart.
They were keying on Barkley.
Wink is going to drive you crazy in games but I will tell you he hit Prescott alot today and forced him off his spot more than once.
I am not sure most of understand how limited this team is talentwise. We had 7 practice squad players on offense today .



Defense did their part for as long as they could. Horrible awareness to allow the td on 3rd and goal from about the 15 though on the one drive



Thibs has to make that sack on the start of the 2nd half. To whiff on Dak right there was brutal and they would have gotten the ball right there.



I thought thibs’ missed sack was in the 1st half



The majority of the crowd here likes his speed and getting close. To me he’s a poor man’s osi. Time will tell but he’s a speed demon, not so strong, non 2 way DE… anyone that thinks he’s gonna compare to a JPP year 2 to year 2 is out of their bird imo. Parsons can light the world on fire from the get go but we have to wait till year 3 or 4 for him to “develop”. He’s a top 5 pick. Take over a game


Nonsense. Poor man’s osi?? Osi did fuck all as a rookie. He barely played.

Thibs is flat out a better talent than Osi. If he stays healthy he will be a better pro than osi. You can hold me to that.

RE: RE: 100% that ball should have been caught  
giantstock : 11/24/2022 11:13 pm : link
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DJ had a free back side rusher breathing down his neck so it was a little rushed and behind Sequan but it was on his right hip, hit his hands and he dropped the ball while he tripped. This is the NFL that should be a routine catch. High school players make that play in there sleep Sequan is 100% at fault for that play it was a dropped pass. DJ also needs to make a better throw but it was a very catchable ball by any standard.




You do realize that NFL WIDE RECEIVERS drop passes every Sunday.

Saquon is already shaky at catching. And you're saying he should've 100% caught a pass that he had to reach back for, while running full speed the other way

That is the ultimate "imma fan, I've never played sports" take


Another bullshit post form you guys. COmeplete bullshit.

"Full speed" is complete horse shit! "Full speed" - laughing my ass off.

LMAO -- "full speed!" hahahhaha Is that you Mrs Barkley posting?

SO his hands suck - so that's the new excuse now that you boy shouldn't be allowed to catch a pass unless it's perfect? Poor baby. Why don't you just say "Don't throw the ball to my son. His hands suck and it's your fault if you do throw it to him."
regrettably  
JerrysKids : 11/24/2022 11:14 pm : link
Barkley is tied for 4th most drops in the NFL with 5 drops this year.
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ajr2456 : 11/24/2022 11:14 pm : link
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Nonsense. Poor man’s osi?? Osi did fuck all as a rookie. He barely played.

Thibs is flat out a better talent than Osi. If he stays healthy he will be a better pro than osi. You can hold me to that.


Also I thought he made a couple of good reads against the run too.
RE: RE: RE: 100% that ball should have been caught  
ajr2456 : 11/24/2022 11:16 pm : link
In comment 15921543 giantstock said:
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LMAO -- "full speed!" hahahhaha Is that you Mrs Barkley posting?



Too much wine. Time for bed, Mrs. Jones
RE: RE: RE: RE: 100% that ball should have been caught  
giantstock : 11/24/2022 11:18 pm : link
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LMAO -- "full speed!" hahahhaha Is that you Mrs Barkley posting?





Too much wine. Time for bed, Mrs. Jones


I guess you have. You're the idiot that said the ball was at his ankles. Drunk watching the game yet again and incoherent after?

Yeah right the ball was "at his ankles . . ." LMAO.
RE: Cowboys had 2x number of penalties  
djm : 11/24/2022 11:26 pm : link
In comment 15921497 sharp315 said:
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Why is everyone whining about the refs???


Because they should have had 3x the penalties. Thanks for asking.

Dallas takes a lot of penalties by design. They are extremely aggressive and play that way on purpose. They should be called for a lot of penalties and the refs still missed too many.
I’m being 100% objective  
djm : 11/24/2022 11:30 pm : link
I want Barkley and jones to succeed here. I think it was a sloppy pass from jones, not perfect in any means, but a pass Barkley should make.

I think we can just move on no? It’s one fucking play that both qb and rb could have handled differently. We’re gonna run a referendum on jones because of THAT play? Christ it wasn’t that bad a pass. Could have been better and wasn’t. Could have been caught but wasn’t. Move along. More games to come.
RE: I’m being 100% objective  
giantstock : 11/24/2022 11:41 pm : link
In comment 15921557 djm said:
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I want Barkley and jones to succeed here. I think it was a sloppy pass from jones, not perfect in any means, but a pass Barkley should make.

I think we can just move on no? It’s one fucking play that both qb and rb could have handled differently. We’re gonna run a referendum on jones because of THAT play? Christ it wasn’t that bad a pass. Could have been better and wasn’t. Could have been caught but wasn’t. Move along. More games to come.


There is no "referendum."

You make the obvious point the ball should have been caught.

It's the morons that want to keep fighting this simple logic because they want to dig on Jones. Why do they have to keep fighting what is so logical instead of saying "The ball was down at his ankles," and "He was running full speed."

What's wrong with calling them out on such horseshit? If they are going to post horseshit, why is it wrong to point it out?
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OBJ_AllDay : 11/24/2022 11:56 pm : link
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This team is dealing with 3rd and 4th strings against the 2nd best defensive in the league.
They played well and were in the game until the 4th quarter.
The defense held strong today against an offense that has been on fire with once again 3rd string CB's
Coaching game plan was well put together and Jones played smart.
They were keying on Barkley.
Wink is going to drive you crazy in games but I will tell you he hit Prescott alot today and forced him off his spot more than once.
I am not sure most of understand how limited this team is talentwise. We had 7 practice squad players on offense today .



Defense did their part for as long as they could. Horrible awareness to allow the td on 3rd and goal from about the 15 though on the one drive



Thibs has to make that sack on the start of the 2nd half. To whiff on Dak right there was brutal and they would have gotten the ball right there.



I thought thibs’ missed sack was in the 1st half



The majority of the crowd here likes his speed and getting close. To me he’s a poor man’s osi. Time will tell but he’s a speed demon, not so strong, non 2 way DE… anyone that thinks he’s gonna compare to a JPP year 2 to year 2 is out of their bird imo. Parsons can light the world on fire from the get go but we have to wait till year 3 or 4 for him to “develop”. He’s a top 5 pick. Take over a game



Nonsense. Poor man’s osi?? Osi did fuck all as a rookie. He barely played.

Thibs is flat out a better talent than Osi. If he stays healthy he will be a better pro than osi. You can hold me to that.


Fair enough 1 sack down 84 to go plus a lot
Of strip sack fumbles… they’re very similar players. Thibs is more osi than tuck JPP or strahan I think that’s apparent. I stand by it. His toolkit is speed and nothing else
RE: I’m being 100% objective  
cosmicj : 11/25/2022 12:10 am : link
In comment 15921557 djm said:
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I want Barkley and jones to succeed here. I think it was a sloppy pass from jones, not perfect in any means, but a pass Barkley should make.

I think we can just move on no? It’s one fucking play that both qb and rb could have handled differently. We’re gonna run a referendum on jones because of THAT play? Christ it wasn’t that bad a pass. Could have been better and wasn’t. Could have been caught but wasn’t. Move along. More games to come.


Move on? It was a key play and Jones was asked to make a routine play. And didn’t. Seems kind of important, no?
RE: RE: I’m being 100% objective  
sb from NYT Forum : 11/25/2022 12:14 am : link
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I want Barkley and jones to succeed here. I think it was a sloppy pass from jones, not perfect in any means, but a pass Barkley should make.

I think we can just move on no? It’s one fucking play that both qb and rb could have handled differently. We’re gonna run a referendum on jones because of THAT play? Christ it wasn’t that bad a pass. Could have been better and wasn’t. Could have been caught but wasn’t. Move along. More games to come.



Move on? It was a key play and Jones was asked to make a routine play. And didn’t. Seems kind of important, no?


Not a great throw, but it hit Barkley's hands. If he wants to make $12 million per year he's gotta make that catch.
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I want Barkley and jones to succeed here. I think it was a sloppy pass from jones, not perfect in any means, but a pass Barkley should make.

I think we can just move on no? It’s one fucking play that both qb and rb could have handled differently. We’re gonna run a referendum on jones because of THAT play? Christ it wasn’t that bad a pass. Could have been better and wasn’t. Could have been caught but wasn’t. Move along. More games to come.



Move on? It was a key play and Jones was asked to make a routine play. And didn’t. Seems kind of important, no?



Not a great throw, but it hit Barkley's hands. If he wants to make $12 million per year he's gotta make that catch.


The QBs job is to throw catchable balls to the receivers. Jones has done this very well on crossers over the middle this season. But touch throws and other high difficulty passes he remains suspect. Every team has receivers who drop passes, the QB needs to make the catches as simple as possible. It's a difficult skill to master and separates many great passers from the pack.
I’m reading that we need to question the HC?  
lax counsel : 11/25/2022 12:47 am : link
This is the best giants head coach since coughlin and staff since the last SB in 11. The QB is shitty and has been bottomed of the barrel since he was a 0 star recruit at Duke. There’s no pass rush and no downfield passing game. You don’t win in this league without that. Gettleman sucked, but this franchise is on the right track with this coach and front office.
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giantstock : 11/25/2022 12:59 am : link
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I want Barkley and jones to succeed here. I think it was a sloppy pass from jones, not perfect in any means, but a pass Barkley should make.

I think we can just move on no? It’s one fucking play that both qb and rb could have handled differently. We’re gonna run a referendum on jones because of THAT play? Christ it wasn’t that bad a pass. Could have been better and wasn’t. Could have been caught but wasn’t. Move along. More games to come.



Move on? It was a key play and Jones was asked to make a routine play. And didn’t. Seems kind of important, no?



Not a great throw, but it hit Barkley's hands. If he wants to make $12 million per year he's gotta make that catch.



The QBs job is to throw catchable balls to the receivers. Jones has done this very well on crossers over the middle this season. But touch throws and other high difficulty passes he remains suspect. Every team has receivers who drop passes, the QB needs to make the catches as simple as possible. It's a difficult skill to master and separates many great passers from the pack.


And it also goes both ways.

Receivers need to catch balls that hit their hands.
Just listened to the post game  
Lines of Scrimmage : 11/25/2022 6:56 am : link
BD was a bit agitated overall in the presser. The beats asked about that 4th and 1. First he said he felt he needed to go for it as Dallas had just completed a very long drive and they needed some momentum. This is why I agreed with the call.

Then when they tried to press him why that play failed (and they were asking if it was the catch or the pass) he just replied "You can't have that". Asked him if he knew why it happened and he said "Yes" but would not assign blame. I think he leans much more to the pass being off than a missed catch but when it is posted you can decide if you like.
RE: I’m reading that we need to question the HC?  
section125 : 11/25/2022 7:07 am : link
In comment 15921584 lax counsel said:
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This is the best giants head coach since coughlin and staff since the last SB in 11. The QB is shitty and has been bottomed of the barrel since he was a 0 star recruit at Duke. There’s no pass rush and no downfield passing game. You don’t win in this league without that. Gettleman sucked, but this franchise is on the right track with this coach and front office.


Not the head coach at all - or even the rest of the staff. These guys are good.

I do think Kafka's play calls are suspect on occasion. He seems to lose the rhythm of the game at times.

There is no doubt that this coaching staff has turned a steaming pile of crap into a competitive team - even with all the injuries sustained.
Except for the dumb call  
jeff57 : 11/25/2022 7:12 am : link
Going for it on fourth down only down one, there’s not much to be upset about the game. To be leading at halftime against a 7-3 team on the road while playing a lot of third stringers was an accomplishment. Especially when the third stringers are on the OL and DB.
RE: Just listened to the post game  
shyster : 11/25/2022 7:13 am : link
In comment 15921604 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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BD was a bit agitated overall in the presser. The beats asked about that 4th and 1. First he said he felt he needed to go for it as Dallas had just completed a very long drive and they needed some momentum. This is why I agreed with the call.

Then when they tried to press him why that play failed (and they were asking if it was the catch or the pass) he just replied "You can't have that". Asked him if he knew why it happened and he said "Yes" but would not assign blame. I think he leans much more to the pass being off than a missed catch but when it is posted you can decide if you like.


When he says "can't have that, can't happen" he's responding to the question about 10 men being on the field for that play.

It's hard to hear the question because the reporters are talking over one another.

When he's directly asked about the blame for the incomplete pass, he says "we didn't convert it" and I don't see anything to read into that.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/25/2022 7:15 am : link
Lost to a better, more talented team. Simple as that.
The worst part of  
kcgiants : 11/25/2022 7:53 am : link
losing a TNF is that there is no game this Sunday
and you are down for 10 days before the next game and to get the sour taste out.
Hope we gets some good news about the injured returning against the W.
The GMEN need to win this game and please don't talk about Playoffs cause as Mora said......
Playoffs? Don’t talk about - playoffs? You kidding me? Playoffs? I just hope we can win a game!
RE: RE: Just listened to the post game  
Lines of Scrimmage : 11/25/2022 8:07 am : link
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BD was a bit agitated overall in the presser. The beats asked about that 4th and 1. First he said he felt he needed to go for it as Dallas had just completed a very long drive and they needed some momentum. This is why I agreed with the call.

Then when they tried to press him why that play failed (and they were asking if it was the catch or the pass) he just replied "You can't have that". Asked him if he knew why it happened and he said "Yes" but would not assign blame. I think he leans much more to the pass being off than a missed catch but when it is posted you can decide if you like.



When he says "can't have that, can't happen" he's responding to the question about 10 men being on the field for that play.

It's hard to hear the question because the reporters are talking over one another.

When he's directly asked about the blame for the incomplete pass, he says "we didn't convert it" and I don't see anything to read into that. giants.com - ( New Window )


Thanks for posting. I did not hear that question just saw he was agitated overall with the whole sequence of the play.

People can take decide if he is faulting one over the other but he did not point out either the pass or catch directly. He obviously knew it was a huge play and disappointed it was not executed when it was there for the taking.
Did pressure  
bc4life : 11/25/2022 8:09 am : link
affect the 4th and 1 throw from Jones?
Other posters have mentioned  
GiantMike92 : 11/25/2022 11:40 am : link
that if Jones led him more the pass would’ve been batted down by the DE. As it was he barely missed tipping the ball. Should Barkley have caught it probably but it was behind him and possibly his injured shoulder didn’t help him. Before the play I did not want them to go for it but Daboll did bring up good points about the defense being on the field for a long time on the prior series. Either way this play along with the phantom holding and ticky tack OL too far down the field had a huge impact on the game. Btw I was very surprised with all the injuries the game was that close for so long. I didn’t feel like I was wasting my time watching the game like last week and many times over the last few years.
RE: it was not a good throw but it was good enough to be caught,  
kickoff : 11/25/2022 1:44 pm : link
In comment 15921495 JerrysKids said:
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that is a easy catch at any level in the game of football. The QB is not always going to hit you in stride, he totally blew it. DJ takes some responsibility but this was Barkley that dropped a ball that hit him right in the hands at the biggest moment of the game. Jones got mauled the second that ball was released.

Bad throw, but Dallas receivers were making great catches all day.
RE: Other posters have mentioned  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 11/25/2022 1:54 pm : link
In comment 15921981 GiantMike92 said:
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that if Jones led him more the pass would’ve been batted down by the DE. As it was he barely missed tipping the ball. Should Barkley have caught it probably but it was behind him and possibly his injured shoulder didn’t help him. Before the play I did not want them to go for it but Daboll did bring up good points about the defense being on the field for a long time on the prior series. Either way this play along with the phantom holding and ticky tack OL too far down the field had a huge impact on the game. Btw I was very surprised with all the injuries the game was that close for so long. I didn’t feel like I was wasting my time watching the game like last week and many times over the last few years.


There was so much space in front of him that it could’ve been lobbed in front of Saquon. But if Jones threw that same ball accurately, then Lawrence definitely knocks it down.

The Tyre Phillips penalty and the phantom call on Darnay Holmes (for once he wasn’t holding) made me just as sick.
RE: Did pressure  
bw in dc : 11/25/2022 4:41 pm : link
In comment 15921649 bc4life said:
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affect the 4th and 1 throw from Jones?


There was backside pressure by the blitzing safety Donovan Wilson. But Jones had time to get the throw off. Hell, he could have bought some more time by rolling away from the Wilson.

Regardless, Barkley was wide open. And a good throw with touch over the Gallimore and Lawrence easily allows SB to get the first down. But Jones couldn't deliver.

Asking SB, IMV, to make the catch while he's reaching back and falling down while the ball is hitting his knee is laughable.
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giantstock : 11/25/2022 5:07 pm : link
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affect the 4th and 1 throw from Jones?



There was backside pressure by the blitzing safety Donovan Wilson. But Jones had time to get the throw off. Hell, he could have bought some more time by rolling away from the Wilson.

Regardless, Barkley was wide open. And a good throw with touch over the Gallimore and Lawrence easily allows SB to get the first down. But Jones couldn't deliver.

Asking SB, IMV, to make the catch while he's reaching back and falling down while the ball is hitting his knee is laughable.


Yeah right - it's laughable that you mention the ball hit his knee. It's because you were probably drunk watching the game and didn't notice it went through his hands first before it his knee.

You Haters are so full of crap. Your bullshit stories keep coming. Complete bullshit. You have to keep moving the goalposts but its par for the course with you bullshitters.

First you haters say "The ball was at his ankles."

Second you say "Barkley was going full speed."

Third - now you bullshit complete and utter bullshit that the ball hit his knee. laughable from you.

But you have to so desperately try to dig Jones, don’t you? Pathetic. Frankly, the ball didn't even his knee until he rolled over on the ground. Even tighten it might not have.

Newsflash ; His hands were above his knee when his hands of stone screwed up the bad pass.
This is the first time I am posting on this thread...  
bw in dc : 11/25/2022 5:17 pm : link
My account is a study of the video; and it's accurate. The pass from Jones was behind SB and at knee level.

If you can't see it, well, you just can't see.

Nothing surprising, really...
Go to the 7:57 mark of the linked video...  
bw in dc : 11/25/2022 5:19 pm : link
and just stop and play frame by frame of the missed 4th down. You will see for yourself.

You're welcome.


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RE: Go to the 7:57 mark of the linked video...  
giantstock : 11/25/2022 5:29 pm : link
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and just stop and play frame by frame of the missed 4th down. You will see for yourself.

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I just watxched again on the NFL network.

How can you possibly say the ball hit his knee before it hit his =hands?
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bw in dc : 11/25/2022 5:32 pm : link
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and just stop and play frame by frame of the missed 4th down. You will see for yourself.

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I just watxched again on the NFL network.

How can you possibly say the ball hit his knee before it hit his =hands?


Barkley is attempting to catch the ball at knee level. I didn't mean the ball literally hit SB's knee.
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giantstock : 11/25/2022 5:36 pm : link
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and just stop and play frame by frame of the missed 4th down. You will see for yourself.

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I just watxched again on the NFL network.

How can you possibly say the ball hit his knee before it hit his =hands?



Barkley is attempting to catch the ball at knee level. I didn't mean the ball literally hit SB's knee.


SO now it' didn't hit his knee -- so now the story changes yet again?

Anyhow, if you have DVR you would be able to see the ball - the NFL Network Replays - it shows the ball was above his knee and his hands were above his knees.

The ball hit BOTH his hands ABOVE his knees.
Giants just outmanned  
uther99 : 11/25/2022 5:36 pm : link
other than Thomas, is there a single Giant you would take over Cowboys on offense? No wr, no ol, no te. Maybe Barkley.

Defense about the same
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bw in dc : 11/25/2022 5:45 pm : link
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SO now it' didn't hit his knee -- so now the story changes yet again?

Anyhow, if you have DVR you would be able to see the ball - the NFL Network Replays - it shows the ball was above his knee and his hands were above his knees.

The ball hit BOTH his hands ABOVE his knees.


Nothing is changing. It's like saying the ball hit the receiver between the numbers. Which means the ball was right on target.

The ball was behind SB as he was falling down, at knee level, trying to catch Jones's errant pass.
RE: RE: RE: Go to the 7:57 mark of the linked video...  
giantstock : 11/25/2022 5:46 pm : link
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and just stop and play frame by frame of the missed 4th down. You will see for yourself.

You're welcome.
Jones missed pass... - ( New Window )


I just watxched again on the NFL network.

How can you possibly say the ball hit his knee before it hit his =hands?



Barkley is attempting to catch the ball at knee level. I didn't mean the ball literally hit SB's knee.


It was above his knees. And his hands were on the ball above his knees. This isn't a 6'3 Wide Reeceiver. Are you suggesting a player can't bend over and catch a ball that hits both hsi hands, not going full speed, while not getting hit?

And when you say that you didn't mean "it hit his knee." But YOU SAID IT DID. Here is what you said:

"while the ball is hitting his knee is laughable."


This is what I mean with you guys - everything changes. I lean toward not signing him too.

Burt you don't have to bullshit to make go after him. Just stop with the bullshit. You would've seen the replay yesterday.
I can't believe you dwell...  
bw in dc : 11/25/2022 6:15 pm : link
on this non-sense. Well, that's actually not true. I've actually have come to expect it.

If SB doesn't have hands to catch Jones's errant pass, it hits him in the knee. Does that add color to your world?

I stand by my conclusion - it was a piss-poor pass by Jones and I completely exonerate SB of any blame.
RE: I can't believe you dwell...  
BillKo : 11/25/2022 6:51 pm : link
In comment 15922382 bw in dc said:
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on this non-sense. Well, that's actually not true. I've actually have come to expect it.

If SB doesn't have hands to catch Jones's errant pass, it hits him in the knee. Does that add color to your world?

I stand by my conclusion - it was a piss-poor pass by Jones and I completely exonerate SB of any blame.


Blame game is popular for sure.

But players catch misplaced passes. Happens all the time.
RE: Look on the 4th down play I fault both Jones and Barkley  
BillKo : 11/25/2022 6:57 pm : link
In comment 15921515 Rick in Dallas said:
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Jones needs to make a more accurate pass and having said that Barkley should have caught the pass that he did make.
Both are at fault.

Overall, the Giants played very hard on the road against a good team. I was actually surprised they were in the game and not blown out with all the injuries.
I was with a bunch of Cowboy fans for Thanksgiving, and they all raved about how good Daboll and his staff are for the Giants.



About sums it up for me.

Dissapointed about the huddling/running the ball down 2 scores in the 4th quarter. Felt like I was watching the Eagles-Patriots from 2004 in the Super Bowl.

Many will say they don't trust Jones but I thin they were protecting him to some extent - they didn't trust the OL.
RE: I can't believe you dwell...  
giantstock : 11/25/2022 7:47 pm : link
In comment 15922382 bw in dc said:
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on this non-sense. Well, that's actually not true. I've actually have come to expect it.

If SB doesn't have hands to catch Jones's errant pass, it hits him in the knee. Does that add color to your world?

I stand by my conclusion - it was a piss-poor pass by Jones and I completely exonerate SB of any blame.


I've already known, never mind expect, that you are a classic bullshitter. And this is just further shows this. You initially say the ball hit his knees. When challenged , all of a sudden you change your tune and claim you didn't say it until I had to prove to you that you did. Your nonsense of blasting of Jones as you keep changing the goalposts is typical. .

You're deliberately looking at a side angle on YT and yet you "conveniently" forget the replays of the game that showed the ball hit Barkley’s hands. HIS HANDS WERE ABOVE HIS KNEES when the ball slipped through his stone hands. Where the ball ended up has NOTHING to do with where the ball slipped through his stone hands.

Big deal you "stand by" your nonsense about Jones. I'm shocked. Shocked that you'd stand by another player vs Jones. LOL.
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giantstock : 11/25/2022 7:56 pm : link
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on this non-sense. Well, that's actually not true. I've actually have come to expect it.

If SB doesn't have hands to catch Jones's errant pass, it hits him in the knee. Does that add color to your world?

I stand by my conclusion - it was a piss-poor pass by Jones and I completely exonerate SB of any blame.



Blame game is popular for sure.

But players catch misplaced passes. Happens all the time.


For many of the posters on here that hate Jones as much as BW and others do, the blame is nearly always on Jones.

Anyone that is fair - they take a look at that replay - the view from behind Barkley - not the side view that BW is trying to deceptively show- you show the view from behind, that pass is above his knee.

And to think those posters didn't see the replays that clearly showed the ball above his knees when it slipped through his hands is completely ludicrous. They saw it. They just want to just blast Jones no matter what. It was a crummy/awful throw but SB is a pro.
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bw in dc : 11/25/2022 8:08 pm : link
In comment 15922481 giantstock said:
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I've already known, never mind expect, that you are a classic bullshitter. And this is just further shows this. You initially say the ball hit his knees. When challenged , all of a sudden you change your tune and claim you didn't say it until I had to prove to you that you did. Your nonsense of blasting of Jones as you keep changing the goalposts is typical. .

You're deliberately looking at a side angle on YT and yet you "conveniently" forget the replays of the game that showed the ball hit Barkley’s hands. HIS HANDS WERE ABOVE HIS KNEES when the ball slipped through his stone hands. Where the ball ended up has NOTHING to do with where the ball slipped through his stone hands.

Big deal you "stand by" your nonsense about Jones. I'm shocked. Shocked that you'd stand by another player vs Jones. LOL.


Can we agree on this indisputable fact - the ball was poorly placed and behind Barkley, and against the direction he was moving?

Are you at least bright enough to see that?
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giantstock : 11/25/2022 9:14 pm : link
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I've already known, never mind expect, that you are a classic bullshitter. And this is just further shows this. You initially say the ball hit his knees. When challenged , all of a sudden you change your tune and claim you didn't say it until I had to prove to you that you did. Your nonsense of blasting of Jones as you keep changing the goalposts is typical. .

You're deliberately looking at a side angle on YT and yet you "conveniently" forget the replays of the game that showed the ball hit Barkley’s hands. HIS HANDS WERE ABOVE HIS KNEES when the ball slipped through his stone hands. Where the ball ended up has NOTHING to do with where the ball slipped through his stone hands.

Big deal you "stand by" your nonsense about Jones. I'm shocked. Shocked that you'd stand by another player vs Jones. LOL.



Can we agree on this indisputable fact - the ball was poorly placed and behind Barkley, and against the direction he was moving?

Are you at least bright enough to see that?


YYes imo Jones awful throw destroyed a potentially enormously huge play. Overall I'm with you nutjobs but for a different reason on Jones - but I lean ("not sure" but "lean") toward not signing him. Jones has to be better. That blew a potential big chance.

But the fact you are still being this deceptive and ignoring reality is crazy for you to even fight about to even pretend. The ball went through Barkley’s hands. The ball was above his knees. He was not going full speed. No Defender blasted him right away.

You know - nobody gives a shit if you (or anyone else for that matter) are wrong on some things. We are all wrong on a lotta stuff. But the fact you are so willing to be this stubborn because you hate Jones so much that you become this unreasonable is just pretty amazing.

C’mon. You don’t need to bullshit to blast Jones. That play could've been huge. It's indicative of what he misses sometimes, right? So let's stop inventing other stuff. That ball was above Barkley's knee and went through his hands. Barkley is a pro.

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