Hopefully I am allowed to start this thread. Many issues with the team again. Between an anemic offense and a defense giving up big plays, you cannot beat a good team. However, overlay officiating that is criminal, you have no chance.
That said, I also think the coaches had another bad game. Two stinkers in a row for our coaches on both offense and defense.
Execution was awful as well, but I get that we're fielding a bunch of players who have no business on an NFL field.
Execution was awful as well, but I get that we're fielding a bunch of players who have no business on an NFL field.
Yeah no doubt.. the injuries put us at a huge disadvantage. This is why you need your better players to step up and for the coaches to help win the game. They actually hurt us today.
Refs being assholes aside, that was some horrendous playcalling and game/clock management in the second half.
It is, but that doesn't excuse running the fucking ball and killing the clock when we're down two TDs.
He was in on a few snaps. He was active. Didn't do shit, but he had a few snaps.
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Active ????? Or just invisible ???
He’s gone as soon as they can dump him
He was in on a few snaps. He was active. Didn't do shit, but he had a few snaps.
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It is, but that doesn't excuse running the fucking ball and killing the clock when we're down two TDs.
And huddling up and taking their sweet ass time. I know they are beat up but those last two drives did not look like a team terribly concerned about winning a game
He did a good job blocking.
But what does it say that your 20 million WR comes in only for blocking.
Regroup and let’s hope they get some guys back. Nice effort by Thibs today.
Whatever. I knew my Thanksgiving was going to be ruined because I didn't see us winning this game, but the fact that it was there for the taking makes me even more pissed.
Jones was under duress all game, but I still don't think he played well. Really nothing from the WRs aside from Slayton's TD, although Hodgins might stick as a possession receiver next year. Everyone else can go.
Great game from Thibs. Love, R. Williams, and Flott also played well. Holmes was just abused, although two of those holding calls were BS.
Need to get healthy, at least a little between now and Washington. And develop a game plan that doesn't involve wasting every first down by running Barkley. Washington also has an excellent front and will be geared to stop him like everyone else.
Did you honestly think it would be this year?
Of course, we have to wait until the roster is better. So many fans have irrational exuberance.
Regroup and let’s hope they get some guys back. Nice effort by Thibs today.
Giants had only 10 men on the field and all day long the wrong personnel were on the field and had to run off or have a TO called.
That said, even with ten men, Barkley was wide open for a first down. The pass was a bit behind him but your star player has to make that catch.
Defense is just undermanned. Not much you can do with the secondary they had to field and the LBs they have.
The calls were terrible, but the refs seemed to want to be seen on national TV. That dramatic explanation on the Lamb out of bounds catch? They wanted to be on TV.
This year has been good for the team but there is still a lot of work to do before this is a legitimately competitive team.
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He did a good job blocking.
But what does it say that your 20 million WR comes in only for blocking.
He'll get a shot somewhere, may even be here, to show he should be your starter. But I think the big bucks are slipping away.
after Dallas made the game 28-13… Was one of the worst I’ve seen. Zero sense of urgency. Running the ball. Walking back to the huddle. Actually doing a huddle. You’d have thought the Giants were trying to run out the clock. Awful
They can't.
Most of the board seemed to acknowledge when Jones played well this year. Will the same happen for an obviously bad game?
2nd half, our players put us in a hole consistently, and the better team won. Ahead of the game, I would've guessed 38-13.
My guess is that they knew the game was over and just wanted some successful reps to build a bit of confidence for Washington.
The two game changing plays were the phantom hold penalty on 3rd and long penalty that kept Dallas drive alive to open second half and the 4th and 1 bad pass/drop by Barkley. Team isn’t good enough and too banged up to overcome that.
Didn’t like the pace in the second half on offense.
Overall, it’s kinda of what we expected with a banged up team. Felt DJ and Saquon needed to do more as leaders.
Rest up. Get healthy. On to Washington while still holding on to a playoff spot.
Regroup and let’s hope they get some guys back. Nice effort by Thibs today.
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But today he wasn’t good. Game was there for the taking. Also think the giants played the 2 min drive before halftime very soft.
Most of the board seemed to acknowledge when Jones played well this year. Will the same happen for an obviously bad game?
How'd you have felt had the first TD hadn't been called back by a bullshit penalty?
Perhaps, but that doesn't excuse the killing of clock late in the fourth quarter and the 10-men personnel on offense on a critical fourth down play.
Also Saquon is not running angry. I think he is still hurt in some way. He is tackled way to easy and rarely falls forward gaining an extra yard or two like Pollard or Elliot. He was doing this early in the season. I think something is wrong with him.
Glad to see them go to Brightwell at least a few times. Oh well, good game and they did not get blown out even with all the back-ups playing.
Clock is ticking on Barkley and Jones. They need to avoid a swoon here in 2nd half.
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But today he wasn’t good. Game was there for the taking. Also think the giants played the 2 min drive before halftime very soft.
Most of the board seemed to acknowledge when Jones played well this year. Will the same happen for an obviously bad game?
How'd you have felt had the first TD hadn't been called back by a bullshit penalty?
Phillips was downfield illegally. It didn’t impact the play, and there were plenty of other bullshit calls this game, but that wasn’t one of them.
And my view would not drastically change on one play. I evaluate the game in whole, not on a single play. Jones left several critical plays on the field today. We may have lost anyway, but he didn’t play well at all.
They played well and were in the game until the 4th quarter.
The defense held strong today against an offense that has been on fire with once again 3rd string CB's
Coaching game plan was well put together and Jones played smart.
They were keying on Barkley.
Wink is going to drive you crazy in games but I will tell you he hit Prescott alot today and forced him off his spot more than once.
I am not sure most of understand how limited this team is talentwise. We had 7 practice squad players on offense today .
Also Saquon is not running angry. I think he is still hurt in some way. He is tackled way to easy and rarely falls forward gaining an extra yard or two like Pollard or Elliot. He was doing this early in the season. I think something is wrong with him.
Glad to see them go to Brightwell at least a few times. Oh well, good game and they did not get blown out even with all the back-ups playing.
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To learn how to play with some urgency at the end of the game. They wasted way too much time when they are behind
My guess is that they knew the game was over and just wanted some successful reps to build a bit of confidence for Washington.
I'm not just talking about the last drive. The 2 drives before that were just as bad. They had guys walking to the line on that second to last drive. It's maddening
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But today he wasn’t good. Game was there for the taking. Also think the giants played the 2 min drive before halftime very soft.
Most of the board seemed to acknowledge when Jones played well this year. Will the same happen for an obviously bad game?
How'd you have felt had the first TD hadn't been called back by a bullshit penalty?
Phillips was downfield illegally. It didn’t impact the play, and there were plenty of other bullshit calls this game, but that wasn’t one of them.
And my view would not drastically change on one play. I evaluate the game in whole, not on a single play. Jones left several critical plays on the field today. We may have lost anyway, but he didn’t play well at all.
He sucked today. And I think he’s done his part this year but he Sucked today
It felt like a desperate move and even though they made the correct call...and DJ/SB could not execute it..
I still like pinning them deep and playing D better than going for it...
They played well and were in the game until the 4th quarter.
The defense held strong today against an offense that has been on fire with once again 3rd string CB's
Coaching game plan was well put together and Jones played smart.
They were keying on Barkley.
Wink is going to drive you crazy in games but I will tell you he hit Prescott alot today and forced him off his spot more than once.
I am not sure most of understand how limited this team is talentwise. We had 7 practice squad players on offense today .
Defense did their part for as long as they could. Horrible awareness to allow the td on 3rd and goal from about the 15 though on the one drive
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This team is dealing with 3rd and 4th strings against the 2nd best defensive in the league.
They played well and were in the game until the 4th quarter.
The defense held strong today against an offense that has been on fire with once again 3rd string CB's
Coaching game plan was well put together and Jones played smart.
They were keying on Barkley.
Wink is going to drive you crazy in games but I will tell you he hit Prescott alot today and forced him off his spot more than once.
I am not sure most of understand how limited this team is talentwise. We had 7 practice squad players on offense today .
Defense did their part for as long as they could. Horrible awareness to allow the td on 3rd and goal from about the 15 though on the one drive
That's wink he sent the house and put everyone on an island, they didn't get home.
We were sick of the bend don't break zone, everyone knew what you were getting and he makes no apologies.
They don’t even have him running anything other than picks. It’s wild how little they think of him. I figured he would get a real shot today.
Execution was awful as well, but I get that we're fielding a bunch of players who have no business on an NFL field.
Good handle, LOL
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They had to overcome. Olsen nailed. The 4th and 1 miss changed the game. I imagine BD went for it knowing it could get out of hand. Dallas had a 14 play drive the previous drive for a TD.
Regroup and let’s hope they get some guys back. Nice effort by Thibs today.
The play was there. The ball was low and behind the receiver.
Yes. I agreed with Olsen. He still should have caught it but t Olsen though a better throw he may have scored.
It felt like a desperate move and even though they made the correct call...and DJ/SB could not execute it..
I still like pinning them deep and playing D better than going for it...
Defense was gassed. Daboll knew they needed that to win. Players failed not coaching
They played well and were in the game until the 4th quarter.
The defense held strong today against an offense that has been on fire with once again 3rd string CB's
Coaching game plan was well put together and Jones played smart.
They were keying on Barkley.
Wink is going to drive you crazy in games but I will tell you he hit Prescott alot today and forced him off his spot more than once.
I am not sure most of understand how limited this team is talentwise. We had 7
practice squad players on offense today .
Expectations are very high on this board. How would they like to be a Dallas fan who haven’t sniffed a NFC championship game in over 25 years?
The second half they ran it, their OL asserted itself, and they made the plays.
Dabes pushed the panic button in the 3rd. I didn’t like the call then but it probably doesn’t change the outcome.
We were trotting out backups all over the place. McFadden, Belton, McCloud, Flott, against their WRs and TEs. Our LBs vs their OL and RBs.
Funny that SB and DJ look crappy like before when our OL got hurt all over the place, huh? It’s almost like there’s a relationship there…
Lmao
I didn't have a problem with the pace at the end of the game. The goal was to score under 3 minutes and before the 2 minute warning.
If you play it out, it goes like this...
Score a TD with 2:45 left in the game. You have 2 timeouts left plus the 2 minute warning.
Dallas gets the ball with 2:45 left
After Dallas 1st down play, call timeout
After their 2nd down play, call timeout
Stop them on 3rd...2 minute warning
They punt and we get the ball, down 8, with 1:50 left, no timeouts
That's how it was supposed to play out. That's why they weren't rushing
It worked because the whole dallas D keyed on Barkley and ran past him, it was 2 trick plays.
It felt like a desperate move and even though they made the correct call...and DJ/SB could not execute it..
I still like pinning them deep and playing D better than going for it...
Pin them deep? The Scottish Hammer probably punts it into the endzone, as usual.
Cut him for what? He's not disgruntled. He isn't a problem in the locker room. He does block well when he's in the game
He gives you a little something here and there.
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He's a waste of space on the roster, and he has no future with this team. Cut him now, pay off what they owe him and move on.
Cut him for what? He's not disgruntled. He isn't a problem in the locker room. He does block well when he's in the game
He gives you a little something here and there.
Not to mention it’s like 7 minutes left in the game and daboll is running in a jumbo package like they’re ahead or something. And jones is Passing to running backs. If you’re not going to sling it inthat situation well then??
You’re blaming golliday for that? No one sucks that bad it’s all or nothing at that point. I have no idea what daboll is thinking but he doesn’t want to risk a pick 6 and humiliation
I think he costs too much to cut. He's the gift that keeps on taking.
I did. That was awful. I just do not understand Kafka's play calling sometimes.
That’s exactly what you’re doing because Jones sucks but you like him.
I saw dak roll out of trouble and sling a dime to cd lamb who made an excellent arch but the throw was there. If it were jones it would have behind him ; an interception that would have been called back on a penalty. Or just not accurate throw.
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He's a waste of space on the roster, and he has no future with this team. Cut him now, pay off what they owe him and move on.
I think he costs too much to cut. He's the gift that keeps on taking.
If we cut him now we have to cut another player also
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This team is dealing with 3rd and 4th strings against the 2nd best defensive in the league.
They played well and were in the game until the 4th quarter.
The defense held strong today against an offense that has been on fire with once again 3rd string CB's
Coaching game plan was well put together and Jones played smart.
They were keying on Barkley.
Wink is going to drive you crazy in games but I will tell you he hit Prescott alot today and forced him off his spot more than once.
I am not sure most of understand how limited this team is talentwise. We had 7 practice squad players on offense today .
Defense did their part for as long as they could. Horrible awareness to allow the td on 3rd and goal from about the 15 though on the one drive
Thibs has to make that sack on the start of the 2nd half. To whiff on Dak right there was brutal and they would have gotten the ball right there.
Dak was just throwing balls in CeeDee Lamb's direction every 3rd and long. Maybe if Jones had a CeeDee Lamb he could have done better.
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This team is dealing with 3rd and 4th strings against the 2nd best defensive in the league.
They played well and were in the game until the 4th quarter.
The defense held strong today against an offense that has been on fire with once again 3rd string CB's
Coaching game plan was well put together and Jones played smart.
They were keying on Barkley.
Wink is going to drive you crazy in games but I will tell you he hit Prescott alot today and forced him off his spot more than once.
I am not sure most of understand how limited this team is talentwise. We had 7 practice squad players on offense today .
Defense did their part for as long as they could. Horrible awareness to allow the td on 3rd and goal from about the 15 though on the one drive
Thibs has to make that sack on the start of the 2nd half. To whiff on Dak right there was brutal and they would have gotten the ball right there.
I thought thibs’ missed sack was in the 1st half
The Washington game is crucial to the Giants if they want to make any noise the rest of the season. A loss and my attention will turn to who they might draft in 2023. Something I'm not ready to do.
Thibs has to make that sack on the start of the 2nd half. To whiff on Dak right there was brutal and they would have gotten the ball right there.
I thought thibs’ missed sack was in the 1st half
Opening drive of the 2nd half - 1st series. They had three opportunities on 3rd and long to stop that drive.
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Thibs has to make that sack on the start of the 2nd half. To whiff on Dak right there was brutal and they would have gotten the ball right there.
I thought thibs’ missed sack was in the 1st half
Opening drive of the 2nd half - 1st series. They had three opportunities on 3rd and long to stop that drive.
Really think we need a speedy hard hitting LB in the middle to complete the defense.
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Thibs has to make that sack on the start of the 2nd half. To whiff on Dak right there was brutal and they would have gotten the ball right there.
I thought thibs’ missed sack was in the 1st half
Opening drive of the 2nd half - 1st series. They had three opportunities on 3rd and long to stop that drive.
Really think we need a speedy hard hitting LB in the middle to complete the defense.
More than one. I think those runs up the middle are because the ILB are just bad or out of position.
Also, Daboll was really pissed in press conference.
For a franchise that had Harry Carson and LT, that needs to be improved.
Also, Daboll was really pissed in press conference.
Also AT was also playing with different guys in Anderson and Gates next to him. OL cohesion is a thing too.
What was Daboll pissed about in the press conference? My guess is the officials.
Also, Daboll was really pissed in press conference.
Thomas had a tough assignment with no help if he was 100% healthy.
But this wasn't a 30-3 wipeout that could have caused real confidence issues.
He's wasn't happy with the refs!
But this wasn't a 30-3 wipeout that could have caused real confidence issues.
second half, not second quarter
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Nick Gates said Micah Parsons "full-on punched" him in the chin on the late unnecessary roughness penalty. "I'm surprised he didn't get ejected, but New York said it was open-handed. He'll get (fined) tomorrow. He must not like his money."
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Kayvon Thibodeaux played 21 pass rush snaps & generated pressure on 38.1% of them.
Among players w/ 20-plus PR snaps in a game, this was 3rd-best performance of the year.
Baron Browning, Week 5: 20 PR snaps, 10 prsrs (50%)
Za'Darius Smith, Week 9: 23 PR snaps, 9 prsrs (39.1%)
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This team is dealing with 3rd and 4th strings against the 2nd best defensive in the league.
They played well and were in the game until the 4th quarter.
The defense held strong today against an offense that has been on fire with once again 3rd string CB's
Coaching game plan was well put together and Jones played smart.
They were keying on Barkley.
Wink is going to drive you crazy in games but I will tell you he hit Prescott alot today and forced him off his spot more than once.
I am not sure most of understand how limited this team is talentwise. We had 7 practice squad players on offense today .
Defense did their part for as long as they could. Horrible awareness to allow the td on 3rd and goal from about the 15 though on the one drive
Thibs has to make that sack on the start of the 2nd half. To whiff on Dak right there was brutal and they would have gotten the ball right there.
I thought thibs’ missed sack was in the 1st half
The majority of the crowd here likes his speed and getting close. To me he’s a poor man’s osi. Time will tell but he’s a speed demon, not so strong, non 2 way DE… anyone that thinks he’s gonna compare to a JPP year 2 to year 2 is out of their bird imo. Parsons can light the world on fire from the get go but we have to wait till year 3 or 4 for him to “develop”. He’s a top 5 pick. Take over a game
He settled down and seemed good.
On the Holmes penalty, Dallas ended up scoring a touchdown. It was third and long and they likely punt there or kick a very long field goal. How does that not change the outcome?
The illegal man downfield penalty almost never gets called there, he was 2 yards downfield. That was a 4 point swing.
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That Prescott had, the Giants would have won this game easily.
Dak was just throwing balls in CeeDee Lamb's direction every 3rd and long. Maybe if Jones had a CeeDee Lamb he could have done better.
The majority of the crowd here likes his speed and getting close. To me he’s a poor man’s osi. Time will tell but he’s a speed demon, not so strong, non 2 way DE… anyone that thinks he’s gonna compare to a JPP year 2 to year 2 is out of their bird imo. Parsons can light the world on fire from the get go but we have to wait till year 3 or 4 for him to “develop”. He’s a top 5 pick. Take over a game
Not all players develop at the same rate. Parsons is a tremendous player - a true freak. He flat out beat Thomas twice for sacks and just missed a third.
Thibs looks like he will get there, before long. Needs greater strength, no doubt.
Thibs plays the run much better than Osi.
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That Prescott had, the Giants would have won this game easily.
Dak was just throwing balls in CeeDee Lamb's direction every 3rd and long. Maybe if Jones had a CeeDee Lamb he could have done better.
I assume you don’t think Golladay could be that guy…..but I think when we got him, we all thought he could be that guy.
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Daniel Jones on the 4th down: “Just a bad throw. I gotta get it out in front of him. Bad throw. Can’t miss that.”
Saquon Barkley on the 4th down: “I gotta make that play. That’s it. I just gotta make the play.”
Having said that, Jones and Barkley came up small. Jones missed several easy throws to the right flat that would have changed the game.
Look at how Barkley runs compared to Brightwell, Zeke, and Pollard. He just doesn't run hard and never has. I can't remember Barkley ever breaking a tackle. No way he should be resigned. Compare Barkley to Meggett and Bradshaw who were much smaller but ran much harder. I want a back that lowers the shoulder and breaks tackles. A back who delivers the blow.
As for Jones, I have been a supporter, but if we keep him you have to build a wall around him. He is not going to carry team on his arm. Our interior line is not good. We need a bunch of mauling 340 pound guards.
Hard to be competitive on defense with so many injuries, our secondary especially. Our inside backers suck also. So effectively we cannot cover any decent receiving targets, meaning tight ends, backs, receivers. So Wink dials up pressure because give a QB time and his receivers will get open.
By the way did anyone notice the catches the Dallas receivers repeatedly made compared to the Giant receivers. Night and day.
It sucks but we are many players away from a good team. It's almost too bad we did not trade barkley at the deadline. I realize we are still in a playoff hunt but we need as many draft picks as possible.
we have to build from the trenches out. until we can control the trenches we are not going to be a playoff caliber team.
Complaining about the refs is embarrassing. 0 second half points until garbage time is why they lost this game. The refs weren’t even in the top 5 reasons.
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Daniel Jones on the 4th down: “Just a bad throw. I gotta get it out in front of him. Bad throw. Can’t miss that.”
Saquon Barkley on the 4th down: “I gotta make that play. That’s it. I just gotta make the play.”
And in the end, we all lose.
Jones short to intermediate passes today were ugly as sin. That said, Barkley has looked lost for 2 weeks.
But this wasn't a 30-3 wipeout that could have caused real confidence issues.
A year ago we would not have scored in this game and lost by 30.
We were leading a halftime!
This team really get up for daboll and it not playing scared or not get blown out, they think they can win every game.
Thibs played a great game today and was in Prescott's face all day.
These game actually gave me hope we can steal some games down the stretch
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That Prescott had, the Giants would have won this game easily.
Dak was just throwing balls in CeeDee Lamb's direction every 3rd and long. Maybe if Jones had a CeeDee Lamb he could have done better.
you guys act like the NFL is your local flag tag league. dak can read a defense and knows where he is going with the ball. Jones can’t do either.
Yeah, you can tell Dak reads defenses well - his two shitty INTs proved it. I suppose being able to just throw a ball in Lamb's vicinity shows his supreme skillz reading the defense. Everytime you post nonsense like this you prove your football acuity.
And yes, Jones missed about 4 open throws today. It may be the nail in his coffin with the Giants. Missing Barkley on the 4th and 1 was about as bad a throw you can make.
That was the biggest crock of SH** call I've seen in quite a while. And I'm not sure the Darnay Holmes crucial holding call was much better. Just sucks. It's hard enough to play this game even up, even harder when you're down a dozen starters, and even worse still when you're up against bullshit ref calls.
Teams deal with bad calls every single game, every single week. NFL officiating sucks. Make a play and get off the field so the penalty doesn’t matter. They had a chance to and didn’t.
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Daniel Jones on the 4th down: “Just a bad throw. I gotta get it out in front of him. Bad throw. Can’t miss that.”
Saquon Barkley on the 4th down: “I gotta make that play. That’s it. I just gotta make the play.”
What we have is an idiot on another thread saying the ball was at Barkley's ankles.
HE has to catch the ball- period.
Blast away at Jones any way you want but Barkley has got to catch that ball.
Okay don't sign Jones next year but this year - today - this game SB has to catch that ball. Giving SB an excuse like that moron tried to is extreme.
Dabal can say anything he wants. He's shown to be a very good coach thus far.
You need to break your habit of pretending like you want to dictate what Dabal should say in his postgames.
They were at the 37. They probably weren’t punting or kicking a field goal, they went for it on their own 40 because they had little respect for the Giants offense. They were going for that if it wasn’t for the penalty and the Giants would have had to make a stop again. The penalty had a tiny role in why they lost today.
Teams deal with bad calls every single game, every single week. NFL officiating sucks. Make a play and get off the field so the penalty doesn’t matter. They had a chance to and didn’t.
The hold on Holmes extended a drive, so yeah it made a difference in the game. That is not whining.
Was the Phillips call a cheapie? Yes it was, but at least it was really a penalty by the rule book.
Yes he is. I don't kwwo what he said - he's already made a couple of laughable posts. But to answer - yes- he is clueless.
Teams deal with bad calls every single game, every single week. NFL officiating sucks. Make a play and get off the field so the penalty doesn’t matter. They had a chance to and didn’t.
The Giants got beat because they were butchered, chopped up and eaten on both sides of the line of scrimmage. No doubt about that. But the ref calls in this game still sucked and certainly did not help matters any.
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Daniel Jones on the 4th down: “Just a bad throw. I gotta get it out in front of him. Bad throw. Can’t miss that.”
Saquon Barkley on the 4th down: “I gotta make that play. That’s it. I just gotta make the play.”
What we have is an idiot on another thread saying the ball was at Barkley's ankles.
HE has to catch the ball- period.
Blast away at Jones any way you want but Barkley has got to catch that ball.
Okay don't sign Jones next year but this year - today - this game SB has to catch that ball. Giving SB an excuse like that moron tried to is extreme.
Low, at his ankles. Who cares. It was a shit throw and it should have been caught. Who is saying different? One guy is getting more shit for it than the other. Both guys fucked up.
We had excuses this week calling a 4th down interception just like a punt and low vs ankles is what has you riled up?
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It’s not why they lost. Why are we crying about it still?
Teams deal with bad calls every single game, every single week. NFL officiating sucks. Make a play and get off the field so the penalty doesn’t matter. They had a chance to and didn’t.
The hold on Holmes extended a drive, so yeah it made a difference in the game. That is not whining.
Was the Phillips call a cheapie? Yes it was, but at least it was really a penalty by the rule book.
It makes way less of a difference when you let them convert two third and longs later in the drive, one for a touchdown.
Missing a that short of a pass by that much is terrible. But as Barkley said, he still could've caught it.
Missing a that short of a pass by that much is terrible. But as Barkley said, he still could've caught it.
Jones short passes even earlier in the game were off. That was a terrible pass on a wide open route. I do not blame Barkley on that throw. Would have been a tremendous catch had he made it.
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That still could've been caught.
Missing a that short of a pass by that much is terrible. But as Barkley said, he still could've caught it.
Jones short passes even earlier in the game were off. That was a terrible pass on a wide open route. I do not blame Barkley on that throw. Would have been a tremendous catch had he made it.
What a complete bullshit post you make. First off you bring up an irrelevant point about "earlier in the game" when the issue you replied to was THAT pass. What the fuck does "earlier in the game" have ot with that pass?
Instead you just want to just make another dig on Jones.
Tremendous catch? hahhahahhaa lmao.
Some you Jones haters are so full of shit. It's okay don't sign him. But the crap you haters post is unreal.
Having said that, Jones and Barkley came up small. Jones missed several easy throws to the right flat that would have changed the game.
Look at how Barkley runs compared to Brightwell, Zeke, and Pollard. He just doesn't run hard and never has. I can't remember Barkley ever breaking a tackle. No way he should be resigned. Compare Barkley to Meggett and Bradshaw who were much smaller but ran much harder. I want a back that lowers the shoulder and breaks tackles. A back who delivers the blow.
As for Jones, I have been a supporter, but if we keep him you have to build a wall around him. He is not going to carry team on his arm. Our interior line is not good. We need a bunch of mauling 340 pound guards.
Hard to be competitive on defense with so many injuries, our secondary especially. Our inside backers suck also. So effectively we cannot cover any decent receiving targets, meaning tight ends, backs, receivers. So Wink dials up pressure because give a QB time and his receivers will get open.
By the way did anyone notice the catches the Dallas receivers repeatedly made compared to the Giant receivers. Night and day.
It sucks but we are many players away from a good team. It's almost too bad we did not trade barkley at the deadline. I realize we are still in a playoff hunt but we need as many draft picks as possible.
we have to build from the trenches out. until we can control the trenches we are not going to be a playoff caliber team.
Did you watch him as a rookie? He threw ppl off him as though he was a silverback
They either miss it or it’s 13-10 Giants.
Changed the whole game.
It wasn't at Barkley's ankles. It's bullshit you even say that. Complete bullshit.
It’s like blaming the ump because the first strike call was really a ball, but you stared at two fast balls down the middle.
Who do you think you're kidding here? We have eyes.
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It was also behind him. Jones threw several terrible short passes in the flats today.
It wasn't at Barkley's ankles. It's bullshit you even say that. Complete bullshit.
Ok, below his knees....it was as bad a throw as I have seen to a wide open player. I saw exactly what Greg saw - Jones' short passes were terrible today. I think he may have doomed his chances at a new contract with today's performance.
This is the NFL. That was an easy catch and Barkley looked like an uncoordinated egg trying to deal with it.
We absolutely couldn't go fast as our Oline was getting exposed in obvious passing downs. We were relegated to running, running rollouts etc and straight drop back just wasn't happening.
6 games to make a run but know that we are looking for a QB in the off-season along with WR's , another TE and maybe a G.
It’s like blaming the ump because the first strike call was really a ball, but you stared at two fast balls down the middle.
Well almost everyone disagrees with you...
This is the NFL. That was an easy catch and Barkley looked like an uncoordinated egg trying to deal with it.
He should have caught it, but it certainly wasn’t an easy catch.
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It was also behind him. Jones threw several terrible short passes in the flats today.
It wasn't at Barkley's ankles. It's bullshit you even say that. Complete bullshit.
I heard there was a professor at Duke that gave Jones a B on a paper one time. You should call him up and yell at him. Get Daniel that A he deserved
This is the NFL. That was an easy catch and Barkley looked like an uncoordinated egg trying to deal with it.
ok then...
How’d it not count for much? It was a 14-13 game.
What? It was a huge play in the game.
You are not wrong. They only had a handful of draft picks. Beavers blew his knee out. The rest of the ILBs suck. That is where they are getting blown up. They can only correct so many things in one off season without any money against the cap.
Daniel Jones proved yet again that he can't carry a team on his back. Yes, the talent around him is weak, but there were plays to be made out there that he simply didn't make.
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All the posts on the Jones-Barkley fiasco on 4th down. In the grand scheme of this game, it didn’t count for much, if any. And in the grand scheme of this team going forward, it has no relevance whatsoever. What is relevant: this franchise will not do jack shit so long as it’s defense is weak and worthless against the run. All year long they have sucked. And they have sucked for years.
How’d it not count for much? It was a 14-13 game.
I guess you have to assume that the Giants would have actually done something with that first down and you have to assume that Dallas was not going to continue to bash its way through a creampuff defense. If those two assumptions came true, then yes it was a bigger play than I believe it actually was.
Why aren’t you applying the same logic to the Holmes penalty then? The missed 4th and 1 had way more impact on the game than the penalty.
Daniel Jones proved yet again that he can't carry a team on his back. Yes, the talent around him is weak, but there were plays to be made out there that he simply didn't make.
No, I definitely did not recognize some of the names out there...
Our run defense sucked today. Our run defense has not been good for most of this season. The Giants run defense is the worst in the NFL.
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Meanwhile on the other side we've got Lamb and Gallup making circus catches with guys draped all over them.
This is the NFL. That was an easy catch and Barkley looked like an uncoordinated egg trying to deal with it.
He should have caught it, but it certainly wasn’t an easy catch.
Not surprisingly, nobody in the Jones fan club seems to be pointing out how easy that throw SHOULD have been. Jones was not pressured, Barkley was wide open with a linebacker on coverage and he threw the ball low and behind Barkley when an accurate throw was absolutely a first down and maybe a lot more.
What a joke it is that Jones couldn’t make that throw. And yeah, Barkley should have caught it, but anybody who can’t admit it was a bad throw is not worth talking to because they are completely lost.
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But the amount of shit they get, especially on a day when the offense managed 13 points, is wild. The defense keeping games close is probably #2 behind Saqoun on why they’re 7-4, and now they’re missing their two best secondary players.
Our run defense sucked today. Our run defense has not been good for most of this season. The Giants run defense is the worst in the NFL.
And the linebackers are probably the equivalent of the talent we have at WR. Without the defense this team is probably 4-7, but the amount of heat they catch here is wild.
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Meanwhile on the other side we've got Lamb and Gallup making circus catches with guys draped all over them.
This is the NFL. That was an easy catch and Barkley looked like an uncoordinated egg trying to deal with it.
He should have caught it, but it certainly wasn’t an easy catch.
Not surprisingly, nobody in the Jones fan club seems to be pointing out how easy that throw SHOULD have been. Jones was not pressured, Barkley was wide open with a linebacker on coverage and he threw the ball low and behind Barkley when an accurate throw was absolutely a first down and maybe a lot more.
What a joke it is that Jones couldn’t make that throw. And yeah, Barkley should have caught it, but anybody who can’t admit it was a bad throw is not worth talking to because they are completely lost.
6 on Dallas was about to sack Jones so he was definitely pressured.
now get the angle from the endzone...it was an awful throw. It just had to lead him the tiniest little bit.
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I guess you have to assume that the Giants would have actually done something with that first down and you have to assume that Dallas was not going to continue to bash its way through a creampuff defense. If those two assumptions came true, then yes it was a bigger play than I believe it actually was.
Why aren’t you applying the same logic to the Holmes penalty then? The missed 4th and 1 had way more impact on the game than the penalty.
The Jones-Barkley 4th down fiasco is a story of poor execution on one particular play. Bad stuff happens. But that pales in comparison to getting run over at will by the Dallas offense. That had so much more to do with the outcome of today’s game than the ugly 4th down miss.
Was it a good throw, yes or no?
You keep finding ways to say that the horrific calls against the Giants didn’t impact them that much. I don’t know why you keep saying that, it’s weird.
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Meanwhile on the other side we've got Lamb and Gallup making circus catches with guys draped all over them.
This is the NFL. That was an easy catch and Barkley looked like an uncoordinated egg trying to deal with it.
He should have caught it, but it certainly wasn’t an easy catch.
Not surprisingly, nobody in the Jones fan club seems to be pointing out how easy that throw SHOULD have been. Jones was not pressured, Barkley was wide open with a linebacker on coverage and he threw the ball low and behind Barkley when an accurate throw was absolutely a first down and maybe a lot more.
What a joke it is that Jones couldn’t make that throw. And yeah, Barkley should have caught it, but anybody who can’t admit it was a bad throw is not worth talking to because they are completely lost.
It was a bad throw that should have been caught.
Anyone saying that "it was down at his ankles" or "it would have been a tremendous catch" are the morons.
It was a bad throw that should have been caught.
Anyone saying that "it was down at his ankles" or "it would have been a tremendous catch" are the morons.
It would have been a tremendous catch.
It is what it is at this point. But to say that they had no impact on the game is absolutely bullshit.
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Pales in comparison to what the Cowboys were doing at will on offense.
You keep finding ways to say that the horrific calls against the Giants didn’t impact them that much. I don’t know why you keep saying that, it’s weird.
I don’t know why you keep crying about the officials, it’s weird.
We’ve got people trying to down play the impact of the 4th and 1 miss, but I’m weird for thinking the penalty didn’t have that much of an impact because they had two more third and longs to stop them on?
The Giants got whooped in the second half. They lose this game without that penalty.
Also pretty sure that Giants FG drive before half had more Dallas penalty yards that offense yards. Let's get real here. The offense is trash. Quit complaining about the refs.
Because we needed a relatively level playing field, and those two penalties affected the scoreboard when the game was still close.
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That Prescott had, the Giants would have won this game easily.
Dak was just throwing balls in CeeDee Lamb's direction every 3rd and long. Maybe if Jones had a CeeDee Lamb he could have done better.
you guys act like the NFL is your local flag tag league. dak can read a defense and knows where he is going with the ball. Jones can’t do either.
Yeah, you can tell Dak reads defenses well - his two shitty INTs proved it. I suppose being able to just throw a ball in Lamb's vicinity shows his supreme skillz reading the defense. Everytime you post nonsense like this you prove your football acuity.
And yes, Jones missed about 4 open throws today. It may be the nail in his coffin with the Giants. Missing Barkley on the 4th and 1 was about as bad a throw you can make.
Both are at fault.
Overall, the Giants played very hard on the road against a good team. I was actually surprised they were in the game and not blown out with all the injuries.
I was with a bunch of Cowboy fans for Thanksgiving, and they all raved about how good Daboll and his staff are for the Giants.
You do realize that NFL WIDE RECEIVERS drop passes every Sunday.
Saquon is already shaky at catching. And you're saying he should've 100% caught a pass that he had to reach back for, while running full speed the other way
That is the ultimate "imma fan, I've never played sports" take
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Why is everyone whining about the refs???
Because we needed a relatively level playing field, and those two penalties affected the scoreboard when the game was still close.
.... Cowboys defense had more penalty yards than any of our skill players. Anyone trying to pin this on the refs is lost.
I supported Jones but growing weary.will he ever be more than what he is now? I don't know.
Maybe we will need to start over. We could make a splash in free agency if we didn't spend money on Jones and Barkley.
That’s worse than originally thought and not worth the complaints
I don't know what NFL you're watching. NFL receivers drop balls all the time, even the very good ones. All QBs have to overcome drops at some point.
We were leading at halftime. The refs sucked balls.
Daboll SHOULD NOT have gone for it at our own 45 that early in the game only down by 1. The fact the pass was off target and Saquon could have caught it is reason enough. Field position is big in a tight game. You need to force teams to go the length of the field.
I really like Daboll, but haven’t Jackson return punts and going for it at our 45 in that situation are 2 very bad decisions.
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This team is dealing with 3rd and 4th strings against the 2nd best defensive in the league.
They played well and were in the game until the 4th quarter.
The defense held strong today against an offense that has been on fire with once again 3rd string CB's
Coaching game plan was well put together and Jones played smart.
They were keying on Barkley.
Wink is going to drive you crazy in games but I will tell you he hit Prescott alot today and forced him off his spot more than once.
I am not sure most of understand how limited this team is talentwise. We had 7 practice squad players on offense today .
Defense did their part for as long as they could. Horrible awareness to allow the td on 3rd and goal from about the 15 though on the one drive
Thibs has to make that sack on the start of the 2nd half. To whiff on Dak right there was brutal and they would have gotten the ball right there.
I thought thibs’ missed sack was in the 1st half
The majority of the crowd here likes his speed and getting close. To me he’s a poor man’s osi. Time will tell but he’s a speed demon, not so strong, non 2 way DE… anyone that thinks he’s gonna compare to a JPP year 2 to year 2 is out of their bird imo. Parsons can light the world on fire from the get go but we have to wait till year 3 or 4 for him to “develop”. He’s a top 5 pick. Take over a game
Nonsense. Poor man’s osi?? Osi did fuck all as a rookie. He barely played.
Thibs is flat out a better talent than Osi. If he stays healthy he will be a better pro than osi. You can hold me to that.
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DJ had a free back side rusher breathing down his neck so it was a little rushed and behind Sequan but it was on his right hip, hit his hands and he dropped the ball while he tripped. This is the NFL that should be a routine catch. High school players make that play in there sleep Sequan is 100% at fault for that play it was a dropped pass. DJ also needs to make a better throw but it was a very catchable ball by any standard.
You do realize that NFL WIDE RECEIVERS drop passes every Sunday.
Saquon is already shaky at catching. And you're saying he should've 100% caught a pass that he had to reach back for, while running full speed the other way
That is the ultimate "imma fan, I've never played sports" take
Another bullshit post form you guys. COmeplete bullshit.
"Full speed" is complete horse shit! "Full speed" - laughing my ass off.
LMAO -- "full speed!" hahahhaha Is that you Mrs Barkley posting?
SO his hands suck - so that's the new excuse now that you boy shouldn't be allowed to catch a pass unless it's perfect? Poor baby. Why don't you just say "Don't throw the ball to my son. His hands suck and it's your fault if you do throw it to him."
Nonsense. Poor man’s osi?? Osi did fuck all as a rookie. He barely played.
Thibs is flat out a better talent than Osi. If he stays healthy he will be a better pro than osi. You can hold me to that.
Also I thought he made a couple of good reads against the run too.
LMAO -- "full speed!" hahahhaha Is that you Mrs Barkley posting?
Too much wine. Time for bed, Mrs. Jones
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Too much wine. Time for bed, Mrs. Jones
I guess you have. You're the idiot that said the ball was at his ankles. Drunk watching the game yet again and incoherent after?
Yeah right the ball was "at his ankles . . ." LMAO.
Because they should have had 3x the penalties. Thanks for asking.
Dallas takes a lot of penalties by design. They are extremely aggressive and play that way on purpose. They should be called for a lot of penalties and the refs still missed too many.
I think we can just move on no? It’s one fucking play that both qb and rb could have handled differently. We’re gonna run a referendum on jones because of THAT play? Christ it wasn’t that bad a pass. Could have been better and wasn’t. Could have been caught but wasn’t. Move along. More games to come.
I think we can just move on no? It’s one fucking play that both qb and rb could have handled differently. We’re gonna run a referendum on jones because of THAT play? Christ it wasn’t that bad a pass. Could have been better and wasn’t. Could have been caught but wasn’t. Move along. More games to come.
There is no "referendum."
You make the obvious point the ball should have been caught.
It's the morons that want to keep fighting this simple logic because they want to dig on Jones. Why do they have to keep fighting what is so logical instead of saying "The ball was down at his ankles," and "He was running full speed."
What's wrong with calling them out on such horseshit? If they are going to post horseshit, why is it wrong to point it out?
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This team is dealing with 3rd and 4th strings against the 2nd best defensive in the league.
They played well and were in the game until the 4th quarter.
The defense held strong today against an offense that has been on fire with once again 3rd string CB's
Coaching game plan was well put together and Jones played smart.
They were keying on Barkley.
Wink is going to drive you crazy in games but I will tell you he hit Prescott alot today and forced him off his spot more than once.
I am not sure most of understand how limited this team is talentwise. We had 7 practice squad players on offense today .
Defense did their part for as long as they could. Horrible awareness to allow the td on 3rd and goal from about the 15 though on the one drive
Thibs has to make that sack on the start of the 2nd half. To whiff on Dak right there was brutal and they would have gotten the ball right there.
I thought thibs’ missed sack was in the 1st half
The majority of the crowd here likes his speed and getting close. To me he’s a poor man’s osi. Time will tell but he’s a speed demon, not so strong, non 2 way DE… anyone that thinks he’s gonna compare to a JPP year 2 to year 2 is out of their bird imo. Parsons can light the world on fire from the get go but we have to wait till year 3 or 4 for him to “develop”. He’s a top 5 pick. Take over a game
Nonsense. Poor man’s osi?? Osi did fuck all as a rookie. He barely played.
Thibs is flat out a better talent than Osi. If he stays healthy he will be a better pro than osi. You can hold me to that.
Fair enough 1 sack down 84 to go plus a lot
Of strip sack fumbles… they’re very similar players. Thibs is more osi than tuck JPP or strahan I think that’s apparent. I stand by it. His toolkit is speed and nothing else
I think we can just move on no? It’s one fucking play that both qb and rb could have handled differently. We’re gonna run a referendum on jones because of THAT play? Christ it wasn’t that bad a pass. Could have been better and wasn’t. Could have been caught but wasn’t. Move along. More games to come.
Move on? It was a key play and Jones was asked to make a routine play. And didn’t. Seems kind of important, no?
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I want Barkley and jones to succeed here. I think it was a sloppy pass from jones, not perfect in any means, but a pass Barkley should make.
I think we can just move on no? It’s one fucking play that both qb and rb could have handled differently. We’re gonna run a referendum on jones because of THAT play? Christ it wasn’t that bad a pass. Could have been better and wasn’t. Could have been caught but wasn’t. Move along. More games to come.
Move on? It was a key play and Jones was asked to make a routine play. And didn’t. Seems kind of important, no?
Not a great throw, but it hit Barkley's hands. If he wants to make $12 million per year he's gotta make that catch.
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I want Barkley and jones to succeed here. I think it was a sloppy pass from jones, not perfect in any means, but a pass Barkley should make.
I think we can just move on no? It’s one fucking play that both qb and rb could have handled differently. We’re gonna run a referendum on jones because of THAT play? Christ it wasn’t that bad a pass. Could have been better and wasn’t. Could have been caught but wasn’t. Move along. More games to come.
Move on? It was a key play and Jones was asked to make a routine play. And didn’t. Seems kind of important, no?
Not a great throw, but it hit Barkley's hands. If he wants to make $12 million per year he's gotta make that catch.
The QBs job is to throw catchable balls to the receivers. Jones has done this very well on crossers over the middle this season. But touch throws and other high difficulty passes he remains suspect. Every team has receivers who drop passes, the QB needs to make the catches as simple as possible. It's a difficult skill to master and separates many great passers from the pack.
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I want Barkley and jones to succeed here. I think it was a sloppy pass from jones, not perfect in any means, but a pass Barkley should make.
I think we can just move on no? It’s one fucking play that both qb and rb could have handled differently. We’re gonna run a referendum on jones because of THAT play? Christ it wasn’t that bad a pass. Could have been better and wasn’t. Could have been caught but wasn’t. Move along. More games to come.
Move on? It was a key play and Jones was asked to make a routine play. And didn’t. Seems kind of important, no?
Not a great throw, but it hit Barkley's hands. If he wants to make $12 million per year he's gotta make that catch.
The QBs job is to throw catchable balls to the receivers. Jones has done this very well on crossers over the middle this season. But touch throws and other high difficulty passes he remains suspect. Every team has receivers who drop passes, the QB needs to make the catches as simple as possible. It's a difficult skill to master and separates many great passers from the pack.
And it also goes both ways.
Receivers need to catch balls that hit their hands.
Then when they tried to press him why that play failed (and they were asking if it was the catch or the pass) he just replied "You can't have that". Asked him if he knew why it happened and he said "Yes" but would not assign blame. I think he leans much more to the pass being off than a missed catch but when it is posted you can decide if you like.
Not the head coach at all - or even the rest of the staff. These guys are good.
I do think Kafka's play calls are suspect on occasion. He seems to lose the rhythm of the game at times.
There is no doubt that this coaching staff has turned a steaming pile of crap into a competitive team - even with all the injuries sustained.
Then when they tried to press him why that play failed (and they were asking if it was the catch or the pass) he just replied "You can't have that". Asked him if he knew why it happened and he said "Yes" but would not assign blame. I think he leans much more to the pass being off than a missed catch but when it is posted you can decide if you like.
When he says "can't have that, can't happen" he's responding to the question about 10 men being on the field for that play.
It's hard to hear the question because the reporters are talking over one another.
When he's directly asked about the blame for the incomplete pass, he says "we didn't convert it" and I don't see anything to read into that.
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and you are down for 10 days before the next game and to get the sour taste out.
Hope we gets some good news about the injured returning against the W.
The GMEN need to win this game and please don't talk about Playoffs cause as Mora said......
Playoffs? Don’t talk about - playoffs? You kidding me? Playoffs? I just hope we can win a game!
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BD was a bit agitated overall in the presser. The beats asked about that 4th and 1. First he said he felt he needed to go for it as Dallas had just completed a very long drive and they needed some momentum. This is why I agreed with the call.
Then when they tried to press him why that play failed (and they were asking if it was the catch or the pass) he just replied "You can't have that". Asked him if he knew why it happened and he said "Yes" but would not assign blame. I think he leans much more to the pass being off than a missed catch but when it is posted you can decide if you like.
When he says "can't have that, can't happen" he's responding to the question about 10 men being on the field for that play.
It's hard to hear the question because the reporters are talking over one another.
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Thanks for posting. I did not hear that question just saw he was agitated overall with the whole sequence of the play.
People can take decide if he is faulting one over the other but he did not point out either the pass or catch directly. He obviously knew it was a huge play and disappointed it was not executed when it was there for the taking.
Bad throw, but Dallas receivers were making great catches all day.
There was so much space in front of him that it could’ve been lobbed in front of Saquon. But if Jones threw that same ball accurately, then Lawrence definitely knocks it down.
The Tyre Phillips penalty and the phantom call on Darnay Holmes (for once he wasn’t holding) made me just as sick.
There was backside pressure by the blitzing safety Donovan Wilson. But Jones had time to get the throw off. Hell, he could have bought some more time by rolling away from the Wilson.
Regardless, Barkley was wide open. And a good throw with touch over the Gallimore and Lawrence easily allows SB to get the first down. But Jones couldn't deliver.
Asking SB, IMV, to make the catch while he's reaching back and falling down while the ball is hitting his knee is laughable.
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affect the 4th and 1 throw from Jones?
There was backside pressure by the blitzing safety Donovan Wilson. But Jones had time to get the throw off. Hell, he could have bought some more time by rolling away from the Wilson.
Regardless, Barkley was wide open. And a good throw with touch over the Gallimore and Lawrence easily allows SB to get the first down. But Jones couldn't deliver.
Asking SB, IMV, to make the catch while he's reaching back and falling down while the ball is hitting his knee is laughable.
Yeah right - it's laughable that you mention the ball hit his knee. It's because you were probably drunk watching the game and didn't notice it went through his hands first before it his knee.
You Haters are so full of crap. Your bullshit stories keep coming. Complete bullshit. You have to keep moving the goalposts but its par for the course with you bullshitters.
First you haters say "The ball was at his ankles."
Second you say "Barkley was going full speed."
Third - now you bullshit complete and utter bullshit that the ball hit his knee. laughable from you.
But you have to so desperately try to dig Jones, don’t you? Pathetic. Frankly, the ball didn't even his knee until he rolled over on the ground. Even tighten it might not have.
Newsflash ; His hands were above his knee when his hands of stone screwed up the bad pass.
If you can't see it, well, you just can't see.
Nothing surprising, really...
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I just watxched again on the NFL network.
How can you possibly say the ball hit his knee before it hit his =hands?
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How can you possibly say the ball hit his knee before it hit his =hands?
Barkley is attempting to catch the ball at knee level. I didn't mean the ball literally hit SB's knee.
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and just stop and play frame by frame of the missed 4th down. You will see for yourself.
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I just watxched again on the NFL network.
How can you possibly say the ball hit his knee before it hit his =hands?
Barkley is attempting to catch the ball at knee level. I didn't mean the ball literally hit SB's knee.
SO now it' didn't hit his knee -- so now the story changes yet again?
Anyhow, if you have DVR you would be able to see the ball - the NFL Network Replays - it shows the ball was above his knee and his hands were above his knees.
The ball hit BOTH his hands ABOVE his knees.
Defense about the same
SO now it' didn't hit his knee -- so now the story changes yet again?
Anyhow, if you have DVR you would be able to see the ball - the NFL Network Replays - it shows the ball was above his knee and his hands were above his knees.
The ball hit BOTH his hands ABOVE his knees.
Nothing is changing. It's like saying the ball hit the receiver between the numbers. Which means the ball was right on target.
The ball was behind SB as he was falling down, at knee level, trying to catch Jones's errant pass.
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How can you possibly say the ball hit his knee before it hit his =hands?
Barkley is attempting to catch the ball at knee level. I didn't mean the ball literally hit SB's knee.
It was above his knees. And his hands were on the ball above his knees. This isn't a 6'3 Wide Reeceiver. Are you suggesting a player can't bend over and catch a ball that hits both hsi hands, not going full speed, while not getting hit?
And when you say that you didn't mean "it hit his knee." But YOU SAID IT DID. Here is what you said:
"while the ball is hitting his knee is laughable."
This is what I mean with you guys - everything changes. I lean toward not signing him too.
Burt you don't have to bullshit to make go after him. Just stop with the bullshit. You would've seen the replay yesterday.
If SB doesn't have hands to catch Jones's errant pass, it hits him in the knee. Does that add color to your world?
I stand by my conclusion - it was a piss-poor pass by Jones and I completely exonerate SB of any blame.
If SB doesn't have hands to catch Jones's errant pass, it hits him in the knee. Does that add color to your world?
I stand by my conclusion - it was a piss-poor pass by Jones and I completely exonerate SB of any blame.
Blame game is popular for sure.
But players catch misplaced passes. Happens all the time.
Both are at fault.
Overall, the Giants played very hard on the road against a good team. I was actually surprised they were in the game and not blown out with all the injuries.
I was with a bunch of Cowboy fans for Thanksgiving, and they all raved about how good Daboll and his staff are for the Giants.
About sums it up for me.
Dissapointed about the huddling/running the ball down 2 scores in the 4th quarter. Felt like I was watching the Eagles-Patriots from 2004 in the Super Bowl.
Many will say they don't trust Jones but I thin they were protecting him to some extent - they didn't trust the OL.
If SB doesn't have hands to catch Jones's errant pass, it hits him in the knee. Does that add color to your world?
I stand by my conclusion - it was a piss-poor pass by Jones and I completely exonerate SB of any blame.
I've already known, never mind expect, that you are a classic bullshitter. And this is just further shows this. You initially say the ball hit his knees. When challenged , all of a sudden you change your tune and claim you didn't say it until I had to prove to you that you did. Your nonsense of blasting of Jones as you keep changing the goalposts is typical. .
You're deliberately looking at a side angle on YT and yet you "conveniently" forget the replays of the game that showed the ball hit Barkley’s hands. HIS HANDS WERE ABOVE HIS KNEES when the ball slipped through his stone hands. Where the ball ended up has NOTHING to do with where the ball slipped through his stone hands.
Big deal you "stand by" your nonsense about Jones. I'm shocked. Shocked that you'd stand by another player vs Jones. LOL.
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on this non-sense. Well, that's actually not true. I've actually have come to expect it.
If SB doesn't have hands to catch Jones's errant pass, it hits him in the knee. Does that add color to your world?
I stand by my conclusion - it was a piss-poor pass by Jones and I completely exonerate SB of any blame.
Blame game is popular for sure.
But players catch misplaced passes. Happens all the time.
For many of the posters on here that hate Jones as much as BW and others do, the blame is nearly always on Jones.
Anyone that is fair - they take a look at that replay - the view from behind Barkley - not the side view that BW is trying to deceptively show- you show the view from behind, that pass is above his knee.
And to think those posters didn't see the replays that clearly showed the ball above his knees when it slipped through his hands is completely ludicrous. They saw it. They just want to just blast Jones no matter what. It was a crummy/awful throw but SB is a pro.
I've already known, never mind expect, that you are a classic bullshitter. And this is just further shows this. You initially say the ball hit his knees. When challenged , all of a sudden you change your tune and claim you didn't say it until I had to prove to you that you did. Your nonsense of blasting of Jones as you keep changing the goalposts is typical. .
You're deliberately looking at a side angle on YT and yet you "conveniently" forget the replays of the game that showed the ball hit Barkley’s hands. HIS HANDS WERE ABOVE HIS KNEES when the ball slipped through his stone hands. Where the ball ended up has NOTHING to do with where the ball slipped through his stone hands.
Big deal you "stand by" your nonsense about Jones. I'm shocked. Shocked that you'd stand by another player vs Jones. LOL.
Can we agree on this indisputable fact - the ball was poorly placed and behind Barkley, and against the direction he was moving?
Are you at least bright enough to see that?
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I've already known, never mind expect, that you are a classic bullshitter. And this is just further shows this. You initially say the ball hit his knees. When challenged , all of a sudden you change your tune and claim you didn't say it until I had to prove to you that you did. Your nonsense of blasting of Jones as you keep changing the goalposts is typical. .
You're deliberately looking at a side angle on YT and yet you "conveniently" forget the replays of the game that showed the ball hit Barkley’s hands. HIS HANDS WERE ABOVE HIS KNEES when the ball slipped through his stone hands. Where the ball ended up has NOTHING to do with where the ball slipped through his stone hands.
Big deal you "stand by" your nonsense about Jones. I'm shocked. Shocked that you'd stand by another player vs Jones. LOL.
Can we agree on this indisputable fact - the ball was poorly placed and behind Barkley, and against the direction he was moving?
Are you at least bright enough to see that?
YYes imo Jones awful throw destroyed a potentially enormously huge play. Overall I'm with you nutjobs but for a different reason on Jones - but I lean ("not sure" but "lean") toward not signing him. Jones has to be better. That blew a potential big chance.
But the fact you are still being this deceptive and ignoring reality is crazy for you to even fight about to even pretend. The ball went through Barkley’s hands. The ball was above his knees. He was not going full speed. No Defender blasted him right away.
You know - nobody gives a shit if you (or anyone else for that matter) are wrong on some things. We are all wrong on a lotta stuff. But the fact you are so willing to be this stubborn because you hate Jones so much that you become this unreasonable is just pretty amazing.
C’mon. You don’t need to bullshit to blast Jones. That play could've been huge. It's indicative of what he misses sometimes, right? So let's stop inventing other stuff. That ball was above Barkley's knee and went through his hands. Barkley is a pro.