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DefenseWins : 11/24/2022 7:35 pm
Hopefully I am allowed to start this thread. Many issues with the team again. Between an anemic offense and a defense giving up big plays, you cannot beat a good team. However, overlay officiating that is criminal, you have no chance.

That said, I also think the coaches had another bad game. Two stinkers in a row for our coaches on both offense and defense.
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You  
Shady Lurker : 11/24/2022 7:38 pm : link
can grade on a curve for all the injuries, but I still think the coaching was really poor in this one.

Execution was awful as well, but I get that we're fielding a bunch of players who have no business on an NFL field.
RE: You  
DefenseWins : 11/24/2022 7:40 pm : link
In comment 15920892 Shady Lurker said:
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can grade on a curve for all the injuries, but I still think the coaching was really poor in this one.

Execution was awful as well, but I get that we're fielding a bunch of players who have no business on an NFL field.


Yeah no doubt.. the injuries put us at a huge disadvantage. This is why you need your better players to step up and for the coaches to help win the game. They actually hurt us today.
First Half - A  
Anakim : 11/24/2022 7:41 pm : link
Second Half - F

Refs being assholes aside, that was some horrendous playcalling and game/clock management in the second half.
Severely undermanned team  
US1 Giants : 11/24/2022 7:42 pm : link
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If it wasn’t for Slayton  
ajr2456 : 11/24/2022 7:43 pm : link
I don’t think we’d have touchdown the last two weeks
Golladay  
Tyeson : 11/24/2022 7:44 pm : link
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RE: Severely undermanned team  
Anakim : 11/24/2022 7:45 pm : link
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It is, but that doesn't excuse running the fucking ball and killing the clock when we're down two TDs.
They may not win another game…..  
thrunthrublue : 11/24/2022 7:45 pm : link
That will set the table for jettisoning both 8 and 26…..Barkley looks as fast as 19, and with the same set of hands. It’s onto a full on rebuild. Once again, it’s “wait till next year”.
RE: Golladay  
Anakim : 11/24/2022 7:45 pm : link
In comment 15920958 Tyeson said:
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Active ????? Or just invisible ???


He was in on a few snaps. He was active. Didn't do shit, but he had a few snaps.
I thought they  
bluesince56 : 11/24/2022 7:47 pm : link
played a real gusty game considering all the missing starters
Football aside.  
thefan : 11/24/2022 7:47 pm : link
I hope you all had a good thanksgiving.
RE: RE: Golladay  
bluesince56 : 11/24/2022 7:48 pm : link
In comment 15920963 Anakim said:
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Active ????? Or just invisible ???

He’s gone as soon as they can dump him



He was in on a few snaps. He was active. Didn't do shit, but he had a few snaps.
RE: RE: Severely undermanned team  
BigBlueShock : 11/24/2022 7:48 pm : link
In comment 15920960 Anakim said:
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It is, but that doesn't excuse running the fucking ball and killing the clock when we're down two TDs.

And huddling up and taking their sweet ass time. I know they are beat up but those last two drives did not look like a team terribly concerned about winning a game
RE: Golladay  
Vanzetti : 11/24/2022 7:48 pm : link
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He did a good job blocking.

But what does it say that your 20 million WR comes in only for blocking.
Lot of obstacles  
Lines of Scrimmage : 11/24/2022 7:48 pm : link
They had to overcome. Olsen nailed. The 4th and 1 miss changed the game. I imagine BD went for it knowing it could get out of hand. Dallas had a 14 play drive the previous drive for a TD.

Regroup and let’s hope they get some guys back. Nice effort by Thibs today.
Did Kafka know the score?  
Anakim : 11/24/2022 7:49 pm : link
What? Did they not want to press the panic button?


Whatever. I knew my Thanksgiving was going to be ruined because I didn't see us winning this game, but the fact that it was there for the taking makes me even more pissed.
We  
AcidTest : 11/24/2022 7:49 pm : link
just ran out of gas. There was also bad clock management at the end of the half, and way too much running of Barkley on first down. Other teams know we are going to do it and gang up to stop it, which just puts our bad OL in second and third and long. I thought after we opened up throwing it indicated we weren't going to do that, but Kafka pretty quickly reverted to doing it, even at the end of the game when we were down two scores. Barkley also looks tired and hurt. Brightwell and Breida need to play more.

Jones was under duress all game, but I still don't think he played well. Really nothing from the WRs aside from Slayton's TD, although Hodgins might stick as a possession receiver next year. Everyone else can go.

Great game from Thibs. Love, R. Williams, and Flott also played well. Holmes was just abused, although two of those holding calls were BS.

Need to get healthy, at least a little between now and Washington. And develop a game plan that doesn't involve wasting every first down by running Barkley. Washington also has an excellent front and will be geared to stop him like everyone else.
RE: They may not win another game…..  
SirLoinOfBeef : 11/24/2022 7:50 pm : link
In comment 15920962 thrunthrublue said:
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That will set the table for jettisoning both 8 and 26…..Barkley looks as fast as 19, and with the same set of hands. It’s onto a full on rebuild. Once again, it’s “wait till next year”.


Did you honestly think it would be this year?

Of course, we have to wait until the roster is better. So many fans have irrational exuberance.
little margin for error for this team  
bluepepper : 11/24/2022 7:50 pm : link
and we made plenty of errors today. Things getting tough here. Not seeing a whole lot of wins down the stretch.
RE: Lot of obstacles  
Vanzetti : 11/24/2022 7:51 pm : link
In comment 15920979 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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They had to overcome. Olsen nailed. The 4th and 1 miss changed the game. I imagine BD went for it knowing it could get out of hand. Dallas had a 14 play drive the previous drive for a TD.

Regroup and let’s hope they get some guys back. Nice effort by Thibs today.


Giants had only 10 men on the field and all day long the wrong personnel were on the field and had to run off or have a TO called.

That said, even with ten men, Barkley was wide open for a first down. The pass was a bit behind him but your star player has to make that catch.

Defense played great until they were gassed  
GMen72 : 11/24/2022 7:52 pm : link
DJ, coaching, and clock management weren't good.
I’m a jones fan  
OBJ_AllDay : 11/24/2022 7:53 pm : link
But today he wasn’t good. Game was there for the taking. Also think the giants played the 2 min drive before halftime very soft.
Anyone who didn’t see this coming needs a reality check  
bwitz : 11/24/2022 7:54 pm : link
The coaching staff obviously has this team playing well and are set up great for the future. But with the team constructed as it is currently, they were playing well above what they actually are; a rebuilding team that needs a lot more work.
You are limited with what you can do with this offense  
Mike from Ohio : 11/24/2022 7:54 pm : link
The pace however in the 4th down two scores was inexcusable. Not sure what anyone (Daboll, Kafka, Jones) were thinking there. None of them seemed to understand it was the 4th qtr.

Defense is just undermanned. Not much you can do with the secondary they had to field and the LBs they have.

The calls were terrible, but the refs seemed to want to be seen on national TV. That dramatic explanation on the Lamb out of bounds catch? They wanted to be on TV.

This year has been good for the team but there is still a lot of work to do before this is a legitimately competitive team.
They need  
Chocco : 11/24/2022 7:54 pm : link
To learn how to play with some urgency at the end of the game. They wasted way too much time when they are behind
these game plans have sucked for weeks now  
guitarguybs12 : 11/24/2022 7:55 pm : link
struggling OL but very few rollouts, no other designs to shift the pocket...still trying to establish the run late in the 4th was maddening
RE: RE: Golladay  
HomerJones45 : 11/24/2022 7:56 pm : link
In comment 15920976 Vanzetti said:
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He did a good job blocking.

But what does it say that your 20 million WR comes in only for blocking.
It doesn't matter; Jones won't throw him the ball anyway, and that goes back to last season.
Time is running out for Jones  
fkap : 11/24/2022 7:56 pm : link
to establish himself as a QB you really want. Today was not a plus in his favor. Another day that says so-so.

He'll get a shot somewhere, may even be here, to show he should be your starter. But I think the big bucks are slipping away.
Why in God's name don't the Giants simply cut Golladay?  
Fishmanjim57 : 11/24/2022 7:56 pm : link
He's a waste of space on the roster, and he has no future with this team. Cut him now, pay off what they owe him and move on.
given that there was a near complete  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 11/24/2022 7:57 pm : link
replacement of the secondary and o-line, better than I would have thought. Tough to take against Dallas though.
That drive that started with like 8 minutes left in the game  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 11/24/2022 7:57 pm : link

after Dallas made the game 28-13… Was one of the worst I’ve seen. Zero sense of urgency. Running the ball. Walking back to the huddle. Actually doing a huddle. You’d have thought the Giants were trying to run out the clock. Awful
RE: Why in God's name don't the Giants simply cut Golladay?  
terz22 : 11/24/2022 7:57 pm : link
In comment 15921019 Fishmanjim57 said:
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He's a waste of space on the roster, and he has no future with this team. Cut him now, pay off what they owe him and move on.


They can't.
RE: I’m a jones fan  
Mike from Ohio : 11/24/2022 7:57 pm : link
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But today he wasn’t good. Game was there for the taking. Also think the giants played the 2 min drive before halftime very soft.


Most of the board seemed to acknowledge when Jones played well this year. Will the same happen for an obviously bad game?
With a ton of scrubs on both sides of the ball,  
CT Charlie : 11/24/2022 7:58 pm : link
we were leading at halftime on the road, with the refs playing Jerruh-ball. So I don't blame the coaches.

2nd half, our players put us in a hole consistently, and the better team won. Ahead of the game, I would've guessed 38-13.
.  
OBJ_AllDay : 11/24/2022 7:58 pm : link
Nobody else has a problem with the 2 minute before halftime? Saving timeouts till 30 seconds? Could have been a td drive
RE: They need  
dlauster : 11/24/2022 7:58 pm : link
In comment 15921005 Chocco said:
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To learn how to play with some urgency at the end of the game. They wasted way too much time when they are behind


My guess is that they knew the game was over and just wanted some successful reps to build a bit of confidence for Washington.
Disappointing…  
wma31 : 11/24/2022 7:59 pm : link
Because it felt that a game like today really shows some of the limitations of Jones. He had some easy throws he missed in key spots. Saquon looks a little worn down too. Defense was playing bend don’t break well until the backups got exposed. Wink was bringing blitzes. Live and die with it.

The two game changing plays were the phantom hold penalty on 3rd and long penalty that kept Dallas drive alive to open second half and the 4th and 1 bad pass/drop by Barkley. Team isn’t good enough and too banged up to overcome that.

Didn’t like the pace in the second half on offense.

Overall, it’s kinda of what we expected with a banged up team. Felt DJ and Saquon needed to do more as leaders.

Rest up. Get healthy. On to Washington while still holding on to a playoff spot.
RE: Lot of obstacles  
HomerJones45 : 11/24/2022 7:59 pm : link
In comment 15920979 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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They had to overcome. Olsen nailed. The 4th and 1 miss changed the game. I imagine BD went for it knowing it could get out of hand. Dallas had a 14 play drive the previous drive for a TD.

Regroup and let’s hope they get some guys back. Nice effort by Thibs today.
The play was there. The ball was low and behind the receiver.
RE: RE: I’m a jones fan  
rnargi : 11/24/2022 7:59 pm : link
In comment 15921028 Mike from Ohio said:
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But today he wasn’t good. Game was there for the taking. Also think the giants played the 2 min drive before halftime very soft.



Most of the board seemed to acknowledge when Jones played well this year. Will the same happen for an obviously bad game?


How'd you have felt had the first TD hadn't been called back by a bullshit penalty?
RE: Anyone who didn’t see this coming needs a reality check  
Anakim : 11/24/2022 8:00 pm : link
In comment 15921001 bwitz said:
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The coaching staff obviously has this team playing well and are set up great for the future. But with the team constructed as it is currently, they were playing well above what they actually are; a rebuilding team that needs a lot more work.


Perhaps, but that doesn't excuse the killing of clock late in the fourth quarter and the 10-men personnel on offense on a critical fourth down play.
This team plays hard and had the lead at halftime  
Rjanyg : 11/24/2022 8:00 pm : link
But we give up too many rushing yards. Then when we do stop them we give up long 3rd down conversions. It maddening
In the 2nd Half  
Bob in Vt : 11/24/2022 8:00 pm : link
It seemed like we went away from the planned rollouts. That worked well in the 1st half and rarely used in the 2nd half. Weird.

Also Saquon is not running angry. I think he is still hurt in some way. He is tackled way to easy and rarely falls forward gaining an extra yard or two like Pollard or Elliot. He was doing this early in the season. I think something is wrong with him.

Glad to see them go to Brightwell at least a few times. Oh well, good game and they did not get blown out even with all the back-ups playing.
The two pending free agents botched the biggest play of the game  
Sean : 11/24/2022 8:00 pm : link
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Offense  
Sammo85 : 11/24/2022 8:03 pm : link
had injuries and depth issues but play was weak by our needed guys in Jones and Barkley. Neither played well today when prime opportunities and key spots presented themselves. 2nd half offense looked confused and lethargic in getting plays off.

Clock is ticking on Barkley and Jones. They need to avoid a swoon here in 2nd half.
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Mike from Ohio : 11/24/2022 8:03 pm : link
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But today he wasn’t good. Game was there for the taking. Also think the giants played the 2 min drive before halftime very soft.



Most of the board seemed to acknowledge when Jones played well this year. Will the same happen for an obviously bad game?



How'd you have felt had the first TD hadn't been called back by a bullshit penalty?


Phillips was downfield illegally. It didn’t impact the play, and there were plenty of other bullshit calls this game, but that wasn’t one of them.

And my view would not drastically change on one play. I evaluate the game in whole, not on a single play. Jones left several critical plays on the field today. We may have lost anyway, but he didn’t play well at all.
You guys are brutal  
larryflower37 : 11/24/2022 8:03 pm : link
This team is dealing with 3rd and 4th strings against the 2nd best defensive in the league.
They played well and were in the game until the 4th quarter.
The defense held strong today against an offense that has been on fire with once again 3rd string CB's
Coaching game plan was well put together and Jones played smart.
They were keying on Barkley.
Wink is going to drive you crazy in games but I will tell you he hit Prescott alot today and forced him off his spot more than once.
I am not sure most of understand how limited this team is talentwise. We had 7 practice squad players on offense today .
RE: In the 2nd Half  
HomerJones45 : 11/24/2022 8:04 pm : link
In comment 15921048 Bob in Vt said:
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It seemed like we went away from the planned rollouts. That worked well in the 1st half and rarely used in the 2nd half. Weird.

Also Saquon is not running angry. I think he is still hurt in some way. He is tackled way to easy and rarely falls forward gaining an extra yard or two like Pollard or Elliot. He was doing this early in the season. I think something is wrong with him.

Glad to see them go to Brightwell at least a few times. Oh well, good game and they did not get blown out even with all the back-ups playing.
Barkley is a marked man. No DC is going to let Barkley beat them. Did you notice the three plays where Barkley was a decoy and Brightwell rant the ball? The defense does not give a shit about anyone else but Barkley.
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Chocco : 11/24/2022 8:05 pm : link
In comment 15921036 dlauster said:
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To learn how to play with some urgency at the end of the game. They wasted way too much time when they are behind



My guess is that they knew the game was over and just wanted some successful reps to build a bit of confidence for Washington.

I'm not just talking about the last drive. The 2 drives before that were just as bad. They had guys walking to the line on that second to last drive. It's maddening
At least we  
ajr2456 : 11/24/2022 8:05 pm : link
Won’t have any Is Thibs a bust? threads this week
today's Giants roster  
TJ : 11/24/2022 8:08 pm : link
was never ever going to beat Dallas even if the best coaches ever born were on the sideline. Maybe some backups got some good experience. Move on there are still some winnable games ahead.
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