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DefenseWins : 11/24/2022 7:35 pm
Hopefully I am allowed to start this thread. Many issues with the team again. Between an anemic offense and a defense giving up big plays, you cannot beat a good team. However, overlay officiating that is criminal, you have no chance.

That said, I also think the coaches had another bad game. Two stinkers in a row for our coaches on both offense and defense.
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RE: RE: RE: RE: I’m a jones fan  
OBJ_AllDay : 11/24/2022 8:09 pm : link
In comment 15921056 Mike from Ohio said:
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In comment 15921028 Mike from Ohio said:


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But today he wasn’t good. Game was there for the taking. Also think the giants played the 2 min drive before halftime very soft.



Most of the board seemed to acknowledge when Jones played well this year. Will the same happen for an obviously bad game?



How'd you have felt had the first TD hadn't been called back by a bullshit penalty?



Phillips was downfield illegally. It didn’t impact the play, and there were plenty of other bullshit calls this game, but that wasn’t one of them.

And my view would not drastically change on one play. I evaluate the game in whole, not on a single play. Jones left several critical plays on the field today. We may have lost anyway, but he didn’t play well at all.


He sucked today. And I think he’s done his part this year but he Sucked today
Fourth and 1 at midfield...  
AG5686 : 11/24/2022 8:09 pm : link
I felt at the time,we should be punting.
It felt like a desperate move and even though they made the correct call...and DJ/SB could not execute it..
I still like pinning them deep and playing D better than going for it...
RE: You guys are brutal  
OBJ_AllDay : 11/24/2022 8:15 pm : link
In comment 15921059 larryflower37 said:
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This team is dealing with 3rd and 4th strings against the 2nd best defensive in the league.
They played well and were in the game until the 4th quarter.
The defense held strong today against an offense that has been on fire with once again 3rd string CB's
Coaching game plan was well put together and Jones played smart.
They were keying on Barkley.
Wink is going to drive you crazy in games but I will tell you he hit Prescott alot today and forced him off his spot more than once.
I am not sure most of understand how limited this team is talentwise. We had 7 practice squad players on offense today .


Defense did their part for as long as they could. Horrible awareness to allow the td on 3rd and goal from about the 15 though on the one drive
RE: RE: You guys are brutal  
larryflower37 : 11/24/2022 8:22 pm : link
In comment 15921130 OBJ_AllDay said:
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In comment 15921059 larryflower37 said:


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This team is dealing with 3rd and 4th strings against the 2nd best defensive in the league.
They played well and were in the game until the 4th quarter.
The defense held strong today against an offense that has been on fire with once again 3rd string CB's
Coaching game plan was well put together and Jones played smart.
They were keying on Barkley.
Wink is going to drive you crazy in games but I will tell you he hit Prescott alot today and forced him off his spot more than once.
I am not sure most of understand how limited this team is talentwise. We had 7 practice squad players on offense today .



Defense did their part for as long as they could. Horrible awareness to allow the td on 3rd and goal from about the 15 though on the one drive

That's wink he sent the house and put everyone on an island, they didn't get home.
We were sick of the bend don't break zone, everyone knew what you were getting and he makes no apologies.
RE: Golladay  
Justlurking : 11/24/2022 8:25 pm : link
In comment 15920958 Tyeson said:
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Active ????? Or just invisible ???


They don’t even have him running anything other than picks. It’s wild how little they think of him. I figured he would get a real shot today.
RE: You  
Justlurking : 11/24/2022 8:26 pm : link
In comment 15920892 Shady Lurker said:
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can grade on a curve for all the injuries, but I still think the coaching was really poor in this one.

Execution was awful as well, but I get that we're fielding a bunch of players who have no business on an NFL field.


Good handle, LOL
RE: RE: Lot of obstacles  
Lines of Scrimmage : 11/24/2022 8:27 pm : link
In comment 15921042 HomerJones45 said:
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They had to overcome. Olsen nailed. The 4th and 1 miss changed the game. I imagine BD went for it knowing it could get out of hand. Dallas had a 14 play drive the previous drive for a TD.

Regroup and let’s hope they get some guys back. Nice effort by Thibs today.

The play was there. The ball was low and behind the receiver.


Yes. I agreed with Olsen. He still should have caught it but t Olsen though a better throw he may have scored.
RE: Fourth and 1 at midfield...  
Justlurking : 11/24/2022 8:27 pm : link
In comment 15921096 AG5686 said:
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I felt at the time,we should be punting.
It felt like a desperate move and even though they made the correct call...and DJ/SB could not execute it..
I still like pinning them deep and playing D better than going for it...


Defense was gassed. Daboll knew they needed that to win. Players failed not coaching
RE: You guys are brutal  
joe48 : 11/24/2022 8:28 pm : link
In comment 15921059 larryflower37 said:
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This team is dealing with 3rd and 4th strings against the 2nd best defensive in the league.
They played well and were in the game until the 4th quarter.
The defense held strong today against an offense that has been on fire with once again 3rd string CB's
Coaching game plan was well put together and Jones played smart.
They were keying on Barkley.
Wink is going to drive you crazy in games but I will tell you he hit Prescott alot today and forced him off his spot more than once.
I am not sure most of understand how limited this team is talentwise. We had 7
practice squad players on offense today .

Expectations are very high on this board. How would they like to be a Dallas fan who haven’t sniffed a NFC championship game in over 25 years?
I think all you “there for the taking”  
Daniel in MI : 11/24/2022 8:28 pm : link
Guys are a bit delusional. We were in it for a half when the Boys were throwing it, Dak was off, and we got 2 picks.

The second half they ran it, their OL asserted itself, and they made the plays.

Dabes pushed the panic button in the 3rd. I didn’t like the call then but it probably doesn’t change the outcome.

We were trotting out backups all over the place. McFadden, Belton, McCloud, Flott, against their WRs and TEs. Our LBs vs their OL and RBs.

Funny that SB and DJ look crappy like before when our OL got hurt all over the place, huh? It’s almost like there’s a relationship there…
Brightwell needs more work  
gtt350 : 11/24/2022 8:28 pm : link
the two back set works well especially with our wr situation
This offense  
Lines of Scrimmage : 11/24/2022 8:30 pm : link
Needs Neal and especially Bellinger back. He may not have had big stats but Bellinger was a key guy on this team
RE: At least we  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/24/2022 8:31 pm : link
In comment 15921078 ajr2456 said:
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Won’t have any Is Thibs a bust? threads this week


Lmao
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riceneggs : 11/24/2022 8:31 pm : link
Pace before halftime was weird.

I didn't have a problem with the pace at the end of the game. The goal was to score under 3 minutes and before the 2 minute warning.

If you play it out, it goes like this...

Score a TD with 2:45 left in the game. You have 2 timeouts left plus the 2 minute warning.

Dallas gets the ball with 2:45 left

After Dallas 1st down play, call timeout
After their 2nd down play, call timeout
Stop them on 3rd...2 minute warning

They punt and we get the ball, down 8, with 1:50 left, no timeouts

That's how it was supposed to play out. That's why they weren't rushing
RE: Brightwell needs more work  
larryflower37 : 11/24/2022 8:32 pm : link
In comment 15921165 gtt350 said:
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the two back set works well especially with our wr situation

It worked because the whole dallas D keyed on Barkley and ran past him, it was 2 trick plays.
RE: Fourth and 1 at midfield...  
The_Boss : 11/24/2022 8:33 pm : link
In comment 15921096 AG5686 said:
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I felt at the time,we should be punting.
It felt like a desperate move and even though they made the correct call...and DJ/SB could not execute it..
I still like pinning them deep and playing D better than going for it...


Pin them deep? The Scottish Hammer probably punts it into the endzone, as usual.
RE: Why in God's name don't the Giants simply cut Golladay?  
riceneggs : 11/24/2022 8:34 pm : link
In comment 15921019 Fishmanjim57 said:
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He's a waste of space on the roster, and he has no future with this team. Cut him now, pay off what they owe him and move on.


Cut him for what? He's not disgruntled. He isn't a problem in the locker room. He does block well when he's in the game

He gives you a little something here and there.
RE: RE: Why in God's name don't the Giants simply cut Golladay?  
Atari2600 : 11/24/2022 8:37 pm : link
In comment 15921181 riceneggs said:
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In comment 15921019 Fishmanjim57 said:


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He's a waste of space on the roster, and he has no future with this team. Cut him now, pay off what they owe him and move on.



Cut him for what? He's not disgruntled. He isn't a problem in the locker room. He does block well when he's in the game

He gives you a little something here and there.


Not to mention it’s like 7 minutes left in the game and daboll is running in a jumbo package like they’re ahead or something. And jones is Passing to running backs. If you’re not going to sling it inthat situation well then??

You’re blaming golliday for that? No one sucks that bad it’s all or nothing at that point. I have no idea what daboll is thinking but he doesn’t want to risk a pick 6 and humiliation
I’m not making excuses for Jones, but if Jones had the same protection  
Ivan15 : 11/24/2022 8:37 pm : link
That Prescott had, the Giants would have won this game easily.
RE: Why in God's name don't the Giants simply cut Golladay?  
thefan : 11/24/2022 8:38 pm : link
In comment 15921019 Fishmanjim57 said:
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He's a waste of space on the roster, and he has no future with this team. Cut him now, pay off what they owe him and move on.


I think he costs too much to cut. He's the gift that keeps on taking.
 
ryanmkeane : 11/24/2022 8:38 pm : link
Two home games in a row against Washington and Philly. Time to get some guys back and turn the page.
RE: .  
section125 : 11/24/2022 8:40 pm : link
In comment 15921032 OBJ_AllDay said:
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Nobody else has a problem with the 2 minute before halftime? Saving timeouts till 30 seconds? Could have been a td drive


I did. That was awful. I just do not understand Kafka's play calling sometimes.
RE: I’m not making excuses for Jones, but if Jones had the same protection  
Atari2600 : 11/24/2022 8:41 pm : link
In comment 15921191 Ivan15 said:
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That Prescott had, the Giants would have won this game easily.


That’s exactly what you’re doing because Jones sucks but you like him.

I saw dak roll out of trouble and sling a dime to cd lamb who made an excellent arch but the throw was there. If it were jones it would have behind him ; an interception that would have been called back on a penalty. Or just not accurate throw.
Guaranteed…..  
thrunthrublue : 11/24/2022 8:41 pm : link
They do not lose another game…..this Sunday. Book it.
RE: RE: Why in God's name don't the Giants simply cut Golladay?  
nochance : 11/24/2022 8:43 pm : link
In comment 15921192 thefan said:
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In comment 15921019 Fishmanjim57 said:


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He's a waste of space on the roster, and he has no future with this team. Cut him now, pay off what they owe him and move on.



I think he costs too much to cut. He's the gift that keeps on taking.



If we cut him now we have to cut another player also
RE: RE: You guys are brutal  
section125 : 11/24/2022 8:44 pm : link
In comment 15921130 OBJ_AllDay said:
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In comment 15921059 larryflower37 said:


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This team is dealing with 3rd and 4th strings against the 2nd best defensive in the league.
They played well and were in the game until the 4th quarter.
The defense held strong today against an offense that has been on fire with once again 3rd string CB's
Coaching game plan was well put together and Jones played smart.
They were keying on Barkley.
Wink is going to drive you crazy in games but I will tell you he hit Prescott alot today and forced him off his spot more than once.
I am not sure most of understand how limited this team is talentwise. We had 7 practice squad players on offense today .



Defense did their part for as long as they could. Horrible awareness to allow the td on 3rd and goal from about the 15 though on the one drive


Thibs has to make that sack on the start of the 2nd half. To whiff on Dak right there was brutal and they would have gotten the ball right there.
RE: I’m not making excuses for Jones, but if Jones had the same protection  
section125 : 11/24/2022 8:47 pm : link
In comment 15921191 Ivan15 said:
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That Prescott had, the Giants would have won this game easily.


Dak was just throwing balls in CeeDee Lamb's direction every 3rd and long. Maybe if Jones had a CeeDee Lamb he could have done better.
I'm happy with the way they played today,  
JerrysKids : 11/24/2022 8:48 pm : link
Dallas is a much better team right now, we have been decimated by injuries from the beginning of the training camp, stay the course, stay positive we are 7-4 with a ton of rookies and undermanned roster, DJ is showing us we have a franchise QB, Thibs is a impact edge rusher, Thomas is a fine OT, the future looks good we need to keep adding this offseason.
I thought we played fine  
Jerry in_DC : 11/24/2022 8:49 pm : link
We are way outgunned by Dallas all over the field and managed to keep it close for a while. Ultimately they're just a much better team than us and that showed in the 2nd half. Totally respectable effort by the Giants today
The Lombardi showcase  
thrunthrublue : 11/24/2022 8:57 pm : link
Is more admired than the respectable showcase. 2023. New turf, new team…..fuck respectable…..coffee, is for closers, it takes brass balls to win the lombardi.
RE: RE: RE: You guys are brutal  
PetesHereNow : 11/24/2022 8:59 pm : link
In comment 15921207 section125 said:
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In comment 15921059 larryflower37 said:


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This team is dealing with 3rd and 4th strings against the 2nd best defensive in the league.
They played well and were in the game until the 4th quarter.
The defense held strong today against an offense that has been on fire with once again 3rd string CB's
Coaching game plan was well put together and Jones played smart.
They were keying on Barkley.
Wink is going to drive you crazy in games but I will tell you he hit Prescott alot today and forced him off his spot more than once.
I am not sure most of understand how limited this team is talentwise. We had 7 practice squad players on offense today .



Defense did their part for as long as they could. Horrible awareness to allow the td on 3rd and goal from about the 15 though on the one drive



Thibs has to make that sack on the start of the 2nd half. To whiff on Dak right there was brutal and they would have gotten the ball right there.


I thought thibs’ missed sack was in the 1st half
Not surprised by the loss.  
Maijay : 11/24/2022 9:00 pm : link
The team is lacking talent all over the place but they play hard and compete. The team has little margin for error like the fourth down pass to Barkley . One that I put in the category of could've /should've been caught. The coaching has been meh and they need to pick up their game too.

The Washington game is crucial to the Giants if they want to make any noise the rest of the season. A loss and my attention will turn to who they might draft in 2023. Something I'm not ready to do.
RE: RE: RE: RE: You guys are brutal  
section125 : 11/24/2022 9:03 pm : link
In comment 15921246 PetesHereNow said:
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Thibs has to make that sack on the start of the 2nd half. To whiff on Dak right there was brutal and they would have gotten the ball right there.



I thought thibs’ missed sack was in the 1st half


Opening drive of the 2nd half - 1st series. They had three opportunities on 3rd and long to stop that drive.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: You guys are brutal  
PetesHereNow : 11/24/2022 9:07 pm : link
In comment 15921258 section125 said:
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In comment 15921246 PetesHereNow said:


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Thibs has to make that sack on the start of the 2nd half. To whiff on Dak right there was brutal and they would have gotten the ball right there.



I thought thibs’ missed sack was in the 1st half



Opening drive of the 2nd half - 1st series. They had three opportunities on 3rd and long to stop that drive.


Really think we need a speedy hard hitting LB in the middle to complete the defense.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: You guys are brutal  
section125 : 11/24/2022 9:09 pm : link
In comment 15921264 PetesHereNow said:
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In comment 15921246 PetesHereNow said:


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Thibs has to make that sack on the start of the 2nd half. To whiff on Dak right there was brutal and they would have gotten the ball right there.



I thought thibs’ missed sack was in the 1st half



Opening drive of the 2nd half - 1st series. They had three opportunities on 3rd and long to stop that drive.



Really think we need a speedy hard hitting LB in the middle to complete the defense.


More than one. I think those runs up the middle are because the ILB are just bad or out of position.
a couple of points  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/24/2022 9:12 pm : link
Andrew Thomas was playing sick. He wasn't 100 percent.

Also, Daboll was really pissed in press conference.
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ryanmkeane : 11/24/2022 9:13 pm : link
I still can’t believe that holding call against Holmes.
One is a good start.  
PetesHereNow : 11/24/2022 9:13 pm : link
All we have now is late round rookies/young guys and journeymen like Jaylon Smith.

For a franchise that had Harry Carson and LT, that needs to be improved.
RE: a couple of points  
PetesHereNow : 11/24/2022 9:15 pm : link
In comment 15921281 Eric from BBI said:
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Andrew Thomas was playing sick. He wasn't 100 percent.

Also, Daboll was really pissed in press conference.


Also AT was also playing with different guys in Anderson and Gates next to him. OL cohesion is a thing too.

What was Daboll pissed about in the press conference? My guess is the officials.
 
ryanmkeane : 11/24/2022 9:16 pm : link
Daboll was trying his best to not say anything about the refs in the postgame
RE: a couple of points  
larryflower37 : 11/24/2022 9:17 pm : link
In comment 15921281 Eric from BBI said:
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Andrew Thomas was playing sick. He wasn't 100 percent.

Also, Daboll was really pissed in press conference.

Thomas had a tough assignment with no help if he was 100% healthy.
People  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/24/2022 9:17 pm : link
are going to get pissed at me, but this was a "good" loss in this sense... it wasn't an embarrassing blowout like it could have been. Dallas imposed their will on the Giants in the second quarter, not only with the points but time of possesion (the Giants punted on their second possession of the half in the 4th quarter!).

But this wasn't a 30-3 wipeout that could have caused real confidence issues.
RE: …  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/24/2022 9:18 pm : link
In comment 15921298 ryanmkeane said:
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Daboll was trying his best to not say anything about the refs in the postgame


He's wasn't happy with the refs!
RE: People  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/24/2022 9:18 pm : link
In comment 15921303 Eric from BBI said:
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are going to get pissed at me, but this was a "good" loss in this sense... it wasn't an embarrassing blowout like it could have been. Dallas imposed their will on the Giants in the second quarter, not only with the points but time of possesion (the Giants punted on their second possession of the half in the 4th quarter!).

But this wasn't a 30-3 wipeout that could have caused real confidence issues.


second half, not second quarter
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/24/2022 9:20 pm : link
Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
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Nick Gates said Micah Parsons "full-on punched" him in the chin on the late unnecessary roughness penalty. "I'm surprised he didn't get ejected, but New York said it was open-handed. He'll get (fined) tomorrow. He must not like his money."
 
ryanmkeane : 11/24/2022 9:21 pm : link
Man I love Gates
 
ryanmkeane : 11/24/2022 9:22 pm : link
Watched a lot of football this year. That call against Holmes is easily the worst call of the year, hands down.
while  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/24/2022 9:23 pm : link
Phillips was technically downfield, that usually doesn't get called unless the lineman is further downfield than that and/or is affecting the play.
the officiating  
JerrysKids : 11/24/2022 9:24 pm : link
was bad but I don't believe changed the outcome. Dabal can't get in the habit of complaining about the zebras. They are part of the game. We get beat fair and square at the point of attack, all day long.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/24/2022 9:26 pm : link
Jim Ayello
@jimayello
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Kayvon Thibodeaux played 21 pass rush snaps & generated pressure on 38.1% of them.
Among players w/ 20-plus PR snaps in a game, this was 3rd-best performance of the year.

Baron Browning, Week 5: 20 PR snaps, 10 prsrs (50%)
Za'Darius Smith, Week 9: 23 PR snaps, 9 prsrs (39.1%)
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