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DefenseWins : 11/24/2022 7:35 pm
Hopefully I am allowed to start this thread. Many issues with the team again. Between an anemic offense and a defense giving up big plays, you cannot beat a good team. However, overlay officiating that is criminal, you have no chance.

That said, I also think the coaches had another bad game. Two stinkers in a row for our coaches on both offense and defense.
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RE: RE: RE: RE: You guys are brutal  
OBJ_AllDay : 11/24/2022 9:27 pm : link
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This team is dealing with 3rd and 4th strings against the 2nd best defensive in the league.
They played well and were in the game until the 4th quarter.
The defense held strong today against an offense that has been on fire with once again 3rd string CB's
Coaching game plan was well put together and Jones played smart.
They were keying on Barkley.
Wink is going to drive you crazy in games but I will tell you he hit Prescott alot today and forced him off his spot more than once.
I am not sure most of understand how limited this team is talentwise. We had 7 practice squad players on offense today .



Defense did their part for as long as they could. Horrible awareness to allow the td on 3rd and goal from about the 15 though on the one drive



Thibs has to make that sack on the start of the 2nd half. To whiff on Dak right there was brutal and they would have gotten the ball right there.



I thought thibs’ missed sack was in the 1st half


The majority of the crowd here likes his speed and getting close. To me he’s a poor man’s osi. Time will tell but he’s a speed demon, not so strong, non 2 way DE… anyone that thinks he’s gonna compare to a JPP year 2 to year 2 is out of their bird imo. Parsons can light the world on fire from the get go but we have to wait till year 3 or 4 for him to “develop”. He’s a top 5 pick. Take over a game
Daboll was pissed at the stupid  
larryflower37 : 11/24/2022 9:29 pm : link
Questions right away.
He settled down and seemed good.
RE: the officiating  
ryanmkeane : 11/24/2022 9:31 pm : link
In comment 15921330 JerrysKids said:
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was bad but I don't believe changed the outcome. Dabal can't get in the habit of complaining about the zebras. They are part of the game. We get beat fair and square at the point of attack, all day long.

On the Holmes penalty, Dallas ended up scoring a touchdown. It was third and long and they likely punt there or kick a very long field goal. How does that not change the outcome?

The illegal man downfield penalty almost never gets called there, he was 2 yards downfield. That was a 4 point swing.
RE: RE: I’m not making excuses for Jones, but if Jones had the same protection  
HomerJones45 : 11/24/2022 9:33 pm : link
In comment 15921215 section125 said:
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That Prescott had, the Giants would have won this game easily.



Dak was just throwing balls in CeeDee Lamb's direction every 3rd and long. Maybe if Jones had a CeeDee Lamb he could have done better.
you guys act like the NFL is your local flag tag league. dak can read a defense and knows where he is going with the ball. Jones can’t do either.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: You guys are brutal  
section125 : 11/24/2022 9:34 pm : link
In comment 15921336 OBJ_AllDay said:
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The majority of the crowd here likes his speed and getting close. To me he’s a poor man’s osi. Time will tell but he’s a speed demon, not so strong, non 2 way DE… anyone that thinks he’s gonna compare to a JPP year 2 to year 2 is out of their bird imo. Parsons can light the world on fire from the get go but we have to wait till year 3 or 4 for him to “develop”. He’s a top 5 pick. Take over a game


Not all players develop at the same rate. Parsons is a tremendous player - a true freak. He flat out beat Thomas twice for sacks and just missed a third.

Thibs looks like he will get there, before long. Needs greater strength, no doubt.
Thibs plays the run much better than Osi.
RE: RE: I’m not making excuses for Jones, but if Jones had the same protection  
5BowlsSoon : 11/24/2022 9:35 pm : link
In comment 15921215 section125 said:
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That Prescott had, the Giants would have won this game easily.



Dak was just throwing balls in CeeDee Lamb's direction every 3rd and long. Maybe if Jones had a CeeDee Lamb he could have done better.


I assume you don’t think Golladay could be that guy…..but I think when we got him, we all thought he could be that guy.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/24/2022 9:35 pm : link
Pat Leonard
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Daniel Jones on the 4th down: “Just a bad throw. I gotta get it out in front of him. Bad throw. Can’t miss that.”

Saquon Barkley on the 4th down: “I gotta make that play. That’s it. I just gotta make the play.”
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HomerJones45 : 11/24/2022 9:36 pm : link
In comment 15921298 ryanmkeane said:
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Daboll was trying his best to not say anything about the refs in the postgame
just as well. Would have been hard to explain how Dallas had at one point twice as many penalties for twice as many yards as we did. They’re excuses for losers.
lets face it there was a huge talent gap between these two teams  
kelly : 11/24/2022 9:36 pm : link
especially considering all the injured Giants.

Having said that, Jones and Barkley came up small. Jones missed several easy throws to the right flat that would have changed the game.

Look at how Barkley runs compared to Brightwell, Zeke, and Pollard. He just doesn't run hard and never has. I can't remember Barkley ever breaking a tackle. No way he should be resigned. Compare Barkley to Meggett and Bradshaw who were much smaller but ran much harder. I want a back that lowers the shoulder and breaks tackles. A back who delivers the blow.

As for Jones, I have been a supporter, but if we keep him you have to build a wall around him. He is not going to carry team on his arm. Our interior line is not good. We need a bunch of mauling 340 pound guards.

Hard to be competitive on defense with so many injuries, our secondary especially. Our inside backers suck also. So effectively we cannot cover any decent receiving targets, meaning tight ends, backs, receivers. So Wink dials up pressure because give a QB time and his receivers will get open.

By the way did anyone notice the catches the Dallas receivers repeatedly made compared to the Giant receivers. Night and day.

It sucks but we are many players away from a good team. It's almost too bad we did not trade barkley at the deadline. I realize we are still in a playoff hunt but we need as many draft picks as possible.

we have to build from the trenches out. until we can control the trenches we are not going to be a playoff caliber team.
They're both right  
Jerry in_DC : 11/24/2022 9:36 pm : link
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They still had a chance to get the Cowboys off the field  
ajr2456 : 11/24/2022 9:37 pm : link
On 3rd and 12 and 3rd and 15. They didn’t. Plus given that Dallas went for it in their own territory earlier in the game, they probably go for it instead of punting it. Who knows what happens then.

Complaining about the refs is embarrassing. 0 second half points until garbage time is why they lost this game. The refs weren’t even in the top 5 reasons.
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Chris684 : 11/24/2022 9:38 pm : link
In comment 15921361 Eric from BBI said:
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Daniel Jones on the 4th down: “Just a bad throw. I gotta get it out in front of him. Bad throw. Can’t miss that.”

Saquon Barkley on the 4th down: “I gotta make that play. That’s it. I just gotta make the play.”


And in the end, we all lose.

Jones short to intermediate passes today were ugly as sin. That said, Barkley has looked lost for 2 weeks.
RE: People  
larryflower37 : 11/24/2022 9:39 pm : link
In comment 15921303 Eric from BBI said:
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are going to get pissed at me, but this was a "good" loss in this sense... it wasn't an embarrassing blowout like it could have been. Dallas imposed their will on the Giants in the second quarter, not only with the points but time of possesion (the Giants punted on their second possession of the half in the 4th quarter!).

But this wasn't a 30-3 wipeout that could have caused real confidence issues.

A year ago we would not have scored in this game and lost by 30.
We were leading a halftime!
This team really get up for daboll and it not playing scared or not get blown out, they think they can win every game.
Thibs played a great game today and was in Prescott's face all day.
These game actually gave me hope we can steal some games down the stretch
RE: RE: RE: I’m not making excuses for Jones, but if Jones had the same protection  
section125 : 11/24/2022 9:40 pm : link
In comment 15921353 HomerJones45 said:
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That Prescott had, the Giants would have won this game easily.



Dak was just throwing balls in CeeDee Lamb's direction every 3rd and long. Maybe if Jones had a CeeDee Lamb he could have done better.

you guys act like the NFL is your local flag tag league. dak can read a defense and knows where he is going with the ball. Jones can’t do either.


Yeah, you can tell Dak reads defenses well - his two shitty INTs proved it. I suppose being able to just throw a ball in Lamb's vicinity shows his supreme skillz reading the defense. Everytime you post nonsense like this you prove your football acuity.

And yes, Jones missed about 4 open throws today. It may be the nail in his coffin with the Giants. Missing Barkley on the 4th and 1 was about as bad a throw you can make.
ajr  
ryanmkeane : 11/24/2022 9:40 pm : link
Well they were still on the field because of the penalty. That’s the whole fucking point dude.
RE: while  
M.S. : 11/24/2022 9:42 pm : link
In comment 15921326 Eric from BBI said:
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Phillips was technically downfield, that usually doesn't get called unless the lineman is further downfield than that and/or is affecting the play.

That was the biggest crock of SH** call I've seen in quite a while. And I'm not sure the Darnay Holmes crucial holding call was much better. Just sucks. It's hard enough to play this game even up, even harder when you're down a dozen starters, and even worse still when you're up against bullshit ref calls.
So what?  
ajr2456 : 11/24/2022 9:42 pm : link
It’s not why they lost. Why are we crying about it still?

Teams deal with bad calls every single game, every single week. NFL officiating sucks. Make a play and get off the field so the penalty doesn’t matter. They had a chance to and didn’t.
RE: ...  
giantstock : 11/24/2022 9:43 pm : link
In comment 15921361 Eric from BBI said:
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Daniel Jones on the 4th down: “Just a bad throw. I gotta get it out in front of him. Bad throw. Can’t miss that.”

Saquon Barkley on the 4th down: “I gotta make that play. That’s it. I just gotta make the play.”


What we have is an idiot on another thread saying the ball was at Barkley's ankles.

HE has to catch the ball- period.

Blast away at Jones any way you want but Barkley has got to catch that ball.

Okay don't sign Jones next year but this year - today - this game SB has to catch that ball. Giving SB an excuse like that moron tried to is extreme.

ajr  
ryanmkeane : 11/24/2022 9:43 pm : link
are you really this clueless? The Cowboys were at the 40.
RE: the officiating  
giantstock : 11/24/2022 9:46 pm : link
In comment 15921330 JerrysKids said:
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was bad but I don't believe changed the outcome. Dabal can't get in the habit of complaining about the zebras. They are part of the game. We get beat fair and square at the point of attack, all day long.


Dabal can say anything he wants. He's shown to be a very good coach thus far.

You need to break your habit of pretending like you want to dictate what Dabal should say in his postgames.
RE: ajr  
ajr2456 : 11/24/2022 9:46 pm : link
In comment 15921381 ryanmkeane said:
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are you really this clueless? The Cowboys were at the 40.


They were at the 37. They probably weren’t punting or kicking a field goal, they went for it on their own 40 because they had little respect for the Giants offense. They were going for that if it wasn’t for the penalty and the Giants would have had to make a stop again. The penalty had a tiny role in why they lost today.
RE: So what?  
section125 : 11/24/2022 9:47 pm : link
In comment 15921378 ajr2456 said:
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It’s not why they lost. Why are we crying about it still?

Teams deal with bad calls every single game, every single week. NFL officiating sucks. Make a play and get off the field so the penalty doesn’t matter. They had a chance to and didn’t.


The hold on Holmes extended a drive, so yeah it made a difference in the game. That is not whining.

Was the Phillips call a cheapie? Yes it was, but at least it was really a penalty by the rule book.
RE: ajr  
giantstock : 11/24/2022 9:47 pm : link
In comment 15921381 ryanmkeane said:
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are you really this clueless? The Cowboys were at the 40.


Yes he is. I don't kwwo what he said - he's already made a couple of laughable posts. But to answer - yes- he is clueless.
RE: So what?  
M.S. : 11/24/2022 9:48 pm : link
In comment 15921378 ajr2456 said:
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It’s not why they lost. Why are we crying about it still?

Teams deal with bad calls every single game, every single week. NFL officiating sucks. Make a play and get off the field so the penalty doesn’t matter. They had a chance to and didn’t.

The Giants got beat because they were butchered, chopped up and eaten on both sides of the line of scrimmage. No doubt about that. But the ref calls in this game still sucked and certainly did not help matters any.
Coming in,  
Jerry in_DC : 11/24/2022 9:48 pm : link
I thought our OL would get massacred like Minnesotas last week. They didn't which is a good sign. Still need to improve there, but they did a lot better than the 1st game and better than many other teams against Dallas.
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ajr2456 : 11/24/2022 9:48 pm : link
In comment 15921380 giantstock said:
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Pat Leonard
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Daniel Jones on the 4th down: “Just a bad throw. I gotta get it out in front of him. Bad throw. Can’t miss that.”

Saquon Barkley on the 4th down: “I gotta make that play. That’s it. I just gotta make the play.”



What we have is an idiot on another thread saying the ball was at Barkley's ankles.

HE has to catch the ball- period.

Blast away at Jones any way you want but Barkley has got to catch that ball.

Okay don't sign Jones next year but this year - today - this game SB has to catch that ball. Giving SB an excuse like that moron tried to is extreme.


Low, at his ankles. Who cares. It was a shit throw and it should have been caught. Who is saying different? One guy is getting more shit for it than the other. Both guys fucked up.

We had excuses this week calling a 4th down interception just like a punt and low vs ankles is what has you riled up?
RE: RE: So what?  
ajr2456 : 11/24/2022 9:50 pm : link
In comment 15921386 section125 said:
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It’s not why they lost. Why are we crying about it still?

Teams deal with bad calls every single game, every single week. NFL officiating sucks. Make a play and get off the field so the penalty doesn’t matter. They had a chance to and didn’t.



The hold on Holmes extended a drive, so yeah it made a difference in the game. That is not whining.

Was the Phillips call a cheapie? Yes it was, but at least it was really a penalty by the rule book.


It makes way less of a difference when you let them convert two third and longs later in the drive, one for a touchdown.
It was a horrible pass  
Jerry in_DC : 11/24/2022 9:50 pm : link
That still could've been caught.

Missing a that short of a pass by that much is terrible. But as Barkley said, he still could've caught it.
RE: It was a horrible pass  
section125 : 11/24/2022 9:53 pm : link
In comment 15921398 Jerry in_DC said:
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That still could've been caught.

Missing a that short of a pass by that much is terrible. But as Barkley said, he still could've caught it.


Jones short passes even earlier in the game were off. That was a terrible pass on a wide open route. I do not blame Barkley on that throw. Would have been a tremendous catch had he made it.
The throw wasn't just at Barkley's ankles  
Greg from LI : 11/24/2022 10:00 pm : link
It was also behind him. Jones threw several terrible short passes in the flats today.
RE: RE: It was a horrible pass  
giantstock : 11/24/2022 10:03 pm : link
In comment 15921403 section125 said:
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That still could've been caught.

Missing a that short of a pass by that much is terrible. But as Barkley said, he still could've caught it.



Jones short passes even earlier in the game were off. That was a terrible pass on a wide open route. I do not blame Barkley on that throw. Would have been a tremendous catch had he made it.


What a complete bullshit post you make. First off you bring up an irrelevant point about "earlier in the game" when the issue you replied to was THAT pass. What the fuck does "earlier in the game" have ot with that pass?

Instead you just want to just make another dig on Jones.

Tremendous catch? hahhahahhaa lmao.

Some you Jones haters are so full of shit. It's okay don't sign him. But the crap you haters post is unreal.

RE: lets face it there was a huge talent gap between these two teams  
OBJ_AllDay : 11/24/2022 10:03 pm : link
In comment 15921363 kelly said:
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especially considering all the injured Giants.

Having said that, Jones and Barkley came up small. Jones missed several easy throws to the right flat that would have changed the game.

Look at how Barkley runs compared to Brightwell, Zeke, and Pollard. He just doesn't run hard and never has. I can't remember Barkley ever breaking a tackle. No way he should be resigned. Compare Barkley to Meggett and Bradshaw who were much smaller but ran much harder. I want a back that lowers the shoulder and breaks tackles. A back who delivers the blow.

As for Jones, I have been a supporter, but if we keep him you have to build a wall around him. He is not going to carry team on his arm. Our interior line is not good. We need a bunch of mauling 340 pound guards.

Hard to be competitive on defense with so many injuries, our secondary especially. Our inside backers suck also. So effectively we cannot cover any decent receiving targets, meaning tight ends, backs, receivers. So Wink dials up pressure because give a QB time and his receivers will get open.

By the way did anyone notice the catches the Dallas receivers repeatedly made compared to the Giant receivers. Night and day.

It sucks but we are many players away from a good team. It's almost too bad we did not trade barkley at the deadline. I realize we are still in a playoff hunt but we need as many draft picks as possible.

we have to build from the trenches out. until we can control the trenches we are not going to be a playoff caliber team.


Did you watch him as a rookie? He threw ppl off him as though he was a silverback
ajr  
ryanmkeane : 11/24/2022 10:03 pm : link
wrong again. It was 3rd and 7! The Cowboys aren’t going for it on 3rd and 7 at the 37. They would have kicked the FG.

They either miss it or it’s 13-10 Giants.

Changed the whole game.
RE: The throw wasn't just at Barkley's ankles  
giantstock : 11/24/2022 10:04 pm : link
In comment 15921410 Greg from LI said:
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It was also behind him. Jones threw several terrible short passes in the flats today.


It wasn't at Barkley's ankles. It's bullshit you even say that. Complete bullshit.
They went for it in their own territory  
ajr2456 : 11/24/2022 10:08 pm : link
I’d wager they’d have gone for it on 4th and 7 when they were converting whatever they wanted, instead of kicking a 54 yard FG, but neither of us know for sure and it’s really irrelevant. The Giants didn’t score another point until garbage time so they still lose the game in all likelihood.

It’s like blaming the ump because the first strike call was really a ball, but you stared at two fast balls down the middle.
Sure, sure  
Greg from LI : 11/24/2022 10:08 pm : link
Barkley fell down trying to catch that pass because it was such a strike thrown by Jones.

Who do you think you're kidding here? We have eyes.
RE: RE: The throw wasn't just at Barkley's ankles  
section125 : 11/24/2022 10:08 pm : link
In comment 15921421 giantstock said:
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It was also behind him. Jones threw several terrible short passes in the flats today.



It wasn't at Barkley's ankles. It's bullshit you even say that. Complete bullshit.


Ok, below his knees....it was as bad a throw as I have seen to a wide open player. I saw exactly what Greg saw - Jones' short passes were terrible today. I think he may have doomed his chances at a new contract with today's performance.
It was just below waist level and slightly behind him.  
mittenedman : 11/24/2022 10:08 pm : link
Meanwhile on the other side we've got Lamb and Gallup making circus catches with guys draped all over them.

This is the NFL. That was an easy catch and Barkley looked like an uncoordinated egg trying to deal with it.
Ugh, I am not going to get  
jvm52106 : 11/24/2022 10:10 pm : link
Into an argument about the play calling or time management with folks who just refuse to see the overall situation.

We absolutely couldn't go fast as our Oline was getting exposed in obvious passing downs. We were relegated to running, running rollouts etc and straight drop back just wasn't happening.

6 games to make a run but know that we are looking for a QB in the off-season along with WR's , another TE and maybe a G.
Easy catch? 🤣  
Greg from LI : 11/24/2022 10:10 pm : link
The DJFC crew is sinking to new depths of delusion tonight
RE: They went for it in their own territory  
section125 : 11/24/2022 10:10 pm : link
In comment 15921430 ajr2456 said:
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I’d wager they’d have gone for it on 4th and 7 when they were converting whatever they wanted, instead of kicking a 54 yard FG, but neither of us know for sure and it’s really irrelevant. The Giants didn’t score another point until garbage time so they still lose the game in all likelihood.

It’s like blaming the ump because the first strike call was really a ball, but you stared at two fast balls down the middle.


Well almost everyone disagrees with you...
RE: It was just below waist level and slightly behind him.  
ajr2456 : 11/24/2022 10:10 pm : link
In comment 15921433 mittenedman said:
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Meanwhile on the other side we've got Lamb and Gallup making circus catches with guys draped all over them.

This is the NFL. That was an easy catch and Barkley looked like an uncoordinated egg trying to deal with it.


He should have caught it, but it certainly wasn’t an easy catch.
RE: RE: The throw wasn't just at Barkley's ankles  
Jerry in_DC : 11/24/2022 10:10 pm : link
In comment 15921421 giantstock said:
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It was also behind him. Jones threw several terrible short passes in the flats today.



It wasn't at Barkley's ankles. It's bullshit you even say that. Complete bullshit.


I heard there was a professor at Duke that gave Jones a B on a paper one time. You should call him up and yell at him. Get Daniel that A he deserved
RE: It was just below waist level and slightly behind him.  
section125 : 11/24/2022 10:12 pm : link
In comment 15921433 mittenedman said:
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Meanwhile on the other side we've got Lamb and Gallup making circus catches with guys draped all over them.

This is the NFL. That was an easy catch and Barkley looked like an uncoordinated egg trying to deal with it.


ok then...
I’m a little surprised about  
M.S. : 11/24/2022 10:12 pm : link
All the posts on the Jones-Barkley fiasco on 4th down. In the grand scheme of this game, it didn’t count for much, if any. And in the grand scheme of this team going forward, it has no relevance whatsoever. What is relevant: this franchise will not do jack shit so long as it’s defense is weak and worthless against the run. All year long they have sucked. And they have sucked for years.
RE: I’m a little surprised about  
ajr2456 : 11/24/2022 10:13 pm : link
In comment 15921444 M.S. said:
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All the posts on the Jones-Barkley fiasco on 4th down. In the grand scheme of this game, it didn’t count for much, if any. And in the grand scheme of this team going forward, it has no relevance whatsoever. What is relevant: this franchise will not do jack shit so long as it’s defense is weak and worthless against the run. All year long they have sucked. And they have sucked for years.


How’d it not count for much? It was a 14-13 game.
RE: I’m a little surprised about  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/24/2022 10:15 pm : link
In comment 15921444 M.S. said:
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All the posts on the Jones-Barkley fiasco on 4th down. In the grand scheme of this game, it didn’t count for much, if any. And in the grand scheme of this team going forward, it has no relevance whatsoever. What is relevant: this franchise will not do jack shit so long as it’s defense is weak and worthless against the run. All year long they have sucked. And they have sucked for years.


What? It was a huge play in the game.
RE: I’m a little surprised about  
section125 : 11/24/2022 10:15 pm : link
In comment 15921444 M.S. said:
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All the posts on the Jones-Barkley fiasco on 4th down. In the grand scheme of this game, it didn’t count for much, if any. And in the grand scheme of this team going forward, it has no relevance whatsoever. What is relevant: this franchise will not do jack shit so long as it’s defense is weak and worthless against the run. All year long they have sucked. And they have sucked for years.


You are not wrong. They only had a handful of draft picks. Beavers blew his knee out. The rest of the ILBs suck. That is where they are getting blown up. They can only correct so many things in one off season without any money against the cap.
The defense hasn’t been lights out  
ajr2456 : 11/24/2022 10:17 pm : link
But the amount of shit they get, especially on a day when the offense managed 13 points, is wild. The defense keeping games close is probably #2 behind Saqoun on why they’re 7-4, and now they’re missing their two best secondary players.
All I'll say is that people here are deranged  
Greg from LI : 11/24/2022 10:21 pm : link
Screaming about the coaching staff - did they not notice some of the names in the starting lineup? Frankly, I'm amazed the game was as close as it was.

Daniel Jones proved yet again that he can't carry a team on his back. Yes, the talent around him is weak, but there were plays to be made out there that he simply didn't make.
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