Hopefully I am allowed to start this thread. Many issues with the team again. Between an anemic offense and a defense giving up big plays, you cannot beat a good team. However, overlay officiating that is criminal, you have no chance.
That said, I also think the coaches had another bad game. Two stinkers in a row for our coaches on both offense and defense.
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In comment 15921577 cosmicj said:
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In comment 15921557 djm said:
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I want Barkley and jones to succeed here. I think it was a sloppy pass from jones, not perfect in any means, but a pass Barkley should make.
I think we can just move on no? It’s one fucking play that both qb and rb could have handled differently. We’re gonna run a referendum on jones because of THAT play? Christ it wasn’t that bad a pass. Could have been better and wasn’t. Could have been caught but wasn’t. Move along. More games to come.
Move on? It was a key play and Jones was asked to make a routine play. And didn’t. Seems kind of important, no?
Not a great throw, but it hit Barkley's hands. If he wants to make $12 million per year he's gotta make that catch.
The QBs job is to throw catchable balls to the receivers. Jones has done this very well on crossers over the middle this season. But touch throws and other high difficulty passes he remains suspect. Every team has receivers who drop passes, the QB needs to make the catches as simple as possible. It's a difficult skill to master and separates many great passers from the pack.
And it also goes both ways.
Receivers need to catch balls that hit their hands.
Then when they tried to press him why that play failed (and they were asking if it was the catch or the pass) he just replied "You can't have that". Asked him if he knew why it happened and he said "Yes" but would not assign blame. I think he leans much more to the pass being off than a missed catch but when it is posted you can decide if you like.
Not the head coach at all - or even the rest of the staff. These guys are good.
I do think Kafka's play calls are suspect on occasion. He seems to lose the rhythm of the game at times.
There is no doubt that this coaching staff has turned a steaming pile of crap into a competitive team - even with all the injuries sustained.
Then when they tried to press him why that play failed (and they were asking if it was the catch or the pass) he just replied "You can't have that". Asked him if he knew why it happened and he said "Yes" but would not assign blame. I think he leans much more to the pass being off than a missed catch but when it is posted you can decide if you like.
When he says "can't have that, can't happen" he's responding to the question about 10 men being on the field for that play.
It's hard to hear the question because the reporters are talking over one another.
When he's directly asked about the blame for the incomplete pass, he says "we didn't convert it" and I don't see anything to read into that.
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and you are down for 10 days before the next game and to get the sour taste out.
Hope we gets some good news about the injured returning against the W.
The GMEN need to win this game and please don't talk about Playoffs cause as Mora said......
Playoffs? Don’t talk about - playoffs? You kidding me? Playoffs? I just hope we can win a game!
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BD was a bit agitated overall in the presser. The beats asked about that 4th and 1. First he said he felt he needed to go for it as Dallas had just completed a very long drive and they needed some momentum. This is why I agreed with the call.
Then when they tried to press him why that play failed (and they were asking if it was the catch or the pass) he just replied "You can't have that". Asked him if he knew why it happened and he said "Yes" but would not assign blame. I think he leans much more to the pass being off than a missed catch but when it is posted you can decide if you like.
When he says "can't have that, can't happen" he's responding to the question about 10 men being on the field for that play.
It's hard to hear the question because the reporters are talking over one another.
When he's directly asked about the blame for the incomplete pass, he says "we didn't convert it" and I don't see anything to read into that. giants.com - ( New Window )
Thanks for posting. I did not hear that question just saw he was agitated overall with the whole sequence of the play.
People can take decide if he is faulting one over the other but he did not point out either the pass or catch directly. He obviously knew it was a huge play and disappointed it was not executed when it was there for the taking.
Bad throw, but Dallas receivers were making great catches all day.
There was so much space in front of him that it could’ve been lobbed in front of Saquon. But if Jones threw that same ball accurately, then Lawrence definitely knocks it down.
The Tyre Phillips penalty and the phantom call on Darnay Holmes (for once he wasn’t holding) made me just as sick.
There was backside pressure by the blitzing safety Donovan Wilson. But Jones had time to get the throw off. Hell, he could have bought some more time by rolling away from the Wilson.
Regardless, Barkley was wide open. And a good throw with touch over the Gallimore and Lawrence easily allows SB to get the first down. But Jones couldn't deliver.
Asking SB, IMV, to make the catch while he's reaching back and falling down while the ball is hitting his knee is laughable.
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affect the 4th and 1 throw from Jones?
There was backside pressure by the blitzing safety Donovan Wilson. But Jones had time to get the throw off. Hell, he could have bought some more time by rolling away from the Wilson.
Regardless, Barkley was wide open. And a good throw with touch over the Gallimore and Lawrence easily allows SB to get the first down. But Jones couldn't deliver.
Asking SB, IMV, to make the catch while he's reaching back and falling down while the ball is hitting his knee is laughable.
Yeah right - it's laughable that you mention the ball hit his knee. It's because you were probably drunk watching the game and didn't notice it went through his hands first before it his knee.
You Haters are so full of crap. Your bullshit stories keep coming. Complete bullshit. You have to keep moving the goalposts but its par for the course with you bullshitters.
First you haters say "The ball was at his ankles."
Second you say "Barkley was going full speed."
Third - now you bullshit complete and utter bullshit that the ball hit his knee. laughable from you.
But you have to so desperately try to dig Jones, don’t you? Pathetic. Frankly, the ball didn't even his knee until he rolled over on the ground. Even tighten it might not have.
Newsflash ; His hands were above his knee when his hands of stone screwed up the bad pass.
If you can't see it, well, you just can't see.
Nothing surprising, really...
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I just watxched again on the NFL network.
How can you possibly say the ball hit his knee before it hit his =hands?
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and just stop and play frame by frame of the missed 4th down. You will see for yourself.
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How can you possibly say the ball hit his knee before it hit his =hands?
Barkley is attempting to catch the ball at knee level. I didn't mean the ball literally hit SB's knee.
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and just stop and play frame by frame of the missed 4th down. You will see for yourself.
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I just watxched again on the NFL network.
How can you possibly say the ball hit his knee before it hit his =hands?
Barkley is attempting to catch the ball at knee level. I didn't mean the ball literally hit SB's knee.
SO now it' didn't hit his knee -- so now the story changes yet again?
Anyhow, if you have DVR you would be able to see the ball - the NFL Network Replays - it shows the ball was above his knee and his hands were above his knees.
The ball hit BOTH his hands ABOVE his knees.
Defense about the same
SO now it' didn't hit his knee -- so now the story changes yet again?
Anyhow, if you have DVR you would be able to see the ball - the NFL Network Replays - it shows the ball was above his knee and his hands were above his knees.
The ball hit BOTH his hands ABOVE his knees.
Nothing is changing. It's like saying the ball hit the receiver between the numbers. Which means the ball was right on target.
The ball was behind SB as he was falling down, at knee level, trying to catch Jones's errant pass.
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In comment 15922364 bw in dc said:
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and just stop and play frame by frame of the missed 4th down. You will see for yourself.
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I just watxched again on the NFL network.
How can you possibly say the ball hit his knee before it hit his =hands?
Barkley is attempting to catch the ball at knee level. I didn't mean the ball literally hit SB's knee.
It was above his knees. And his hands were on the ball above his knees. This isn't a 6'3 Wide Reeceiver. Are you suggesting a player can't bend over and catch a ball that hits both hsi hands, not going full speed, while not getting hit?
And when you say that you didn't mean "it hit his knee." But YOU SAID IT DID. Here is what you said:
"while the ball is hitting his knee is laughable."
This is what I mean with you guys - everything changes. I lean toward not signing him too.
Burt you don't have to bullshit to make go after him. Just stop with the bullshit. You would've seen the replay yesterday.
If SB doesn't have hands to catch Jones's errant pass, it hits him in the knee. Does that add color to your world?
I stand by my conclusion - it was a piss-poor pass by Jones and I completely exonerate SB of any blame.
If SB doesn't have hands to catch Jones's errant pass, it hits him in the knee. Does that add color to your world?
I stand by my conclusion - it was a piss-poor pass by Jones and I completely exonerate SB of any blame.
Blame game is popular for sure.
But players catch misplaced passes. Happens all the time.
Both are at fault.
Overall, the Giants played very hard on the road against a good team. I was actually surprised they were in the game and not blown out with all the injuries.
I was with a bunch of Cowboy fans for Thanksgiving, and they all raved about how good Daboll and his staff are for the Giants.
About sums it up for me.
Dissapointed about the huddling/running the ball down 2 scores in the 4th quarter. Felt like I was watching the Eagles-Patriots from 2004 in the Super Bowl.
Many will say they don't trust Jones but I thin they were protecting him to some extent - they didn't trust the OL.
If SB doesn't have hands to catch Jones's errant pass, it hits him in the knee. Does that add color to your world?
I stand by my conclusion - it was a piss-poor pass by Jones and I completely exonerate SB of any blame.
I've already known, never mind expect, that you are a classic bullshitter. And this is just further shows this. You initially say the ball hit his knees. When challenged , all of a sudden you change your tune and claim you didn't say it until I had to prove to you that you did. Your nonsense of blasting of Jones as you keep changing the goalposts is typical. .
You're deliberately looking at a side angle on YT and yet you "conveniently" forget the replays of the game that showed the ball hit Barkley’s hands. HIS HANDS WERE ABOVE HIS KNEES when the ball slipped through his stone hands. Where the ball ended up has NOTHING to do with where the ball slipped through his stone hands.
Big deal you "stand by" your nonsense about Jones. I'm shocked. Shocked that you'd stand by another player vs Jones. LOL.
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on this non-sense. Well, that's actually not true. I've actually have come to expect it.
If SB doesn't have hands to catch Jones's errant pass, it hits him in the knee. Does that add color to your world?
I stand by my conclusion - it was a piss-poor pass by Jones and I completely exonerate SB of any blame.
Blame game is popular for sure.
But players catch misplaced passes. Happens all the time.
For many of the posters on here that hate Jones as much as BW and others do, the blame is nearly always on Jones.
Anyone that is fair - they take a look at that replay - the view from behind Barkley - not the side view that BW is trying to deceptively show- you show the view from behind, that pass is above his knee.
And to think those posters didn't see the replays that clearly showed the ball above his knees when it slipped through his hands is completely ludicrous. They saw it. They just want to just blast Jones no matter what. It was a crummy/awful throw but SB is a pro.
I've already known, never mind expect, that you are a classic bullshitter. And this is just further shows this. You initially say the ball hit his knees. When challenged , all of a sudden you change your tune and claim you didn't say it until I had to prove to you that you did. Your nonsense of blasting of Jones as you keep changing the goalposts is typical. .
You're deliberately looking at a side angle on YT and yet you "conveniently" forget the replays of the game that showed the ball hit Barkley’s hands. HIS HANDS WERE ABOVE HIS KNEES when the ball slipped through his stone hands. Where the ball ended up has NOTHING to do with where the ball slipped through his stone hands.
Big deal you "stand by" your nonsense about Jones. I'm shocked. Shocked that you'd stand by another player vs Jones. LOL.
Can we agree on this indisputable fact - the ball was poorly placed and behind Barkley, and against the direction he was moving?
Are you at least bright enough to see that?
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I've already known, never mind expect, that you are a classic bullshitter. And this is just further shows this. You initially say the ball hit his knees. When challenged , all of a sudden you change your tune and claim you didn't say it until I had to prove to you that you did. Your nonsense of blasting of Jones as you keep changing the goalposts is typical. .
You're deliberately looking at a side angle on YT and yet you "conveniently" forget the replays of the game that showed the ball hit Barkley’s hands. HIS HANDS WERE ABOVE HIS KNEES when the ball slipped through his stone hands. Where the ball ended up has NOTHING to do with where the ball slipped through his stone hands.
Big deal you "stand by" your nonsense about Jones. I'm shocked. Shocked that you'd stand by another player vs Jones. LOL.
Can we agree on this indisputable fact - the ball was poorly placed and behind Barkley, and against the direction he was moving?
Are you at least bright enough to see that?
YYes imo Jones awful throw destroyed a potentially enormously huge play. Overall I'm with you nutjobs but for a different reason on Jones - but I lean ("not sure" but "lean") toward not signing him. Jones has to be better. That blew a potential big chance.
But the fact you are still being this deceptive and ignoring reality is crazy for you to even fight about to even pretend. The ball went through Barkley’s hands. The ball was above his knees. He was not going full speed. No Defender blasted him right away.
You know - nobody gives a shit if you (or anyone else for that matter) are wrong on some things. We are all wrong on a lotta stuff. But the fact you are so willing to be this stubborn because you hate Jones so much that you become this unreasonable is just pretty amazing.
C’mon. You don’t need to bullshit to blast Jones. That play could've been huge. It's indicative of what he misses sometimes, right? So let's stop inventing other stuff. That ball was above Barkley's knee and went through his hands. Barkley is a pro.