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Penalty on Darnay

fanoftheteam : 11/24/2022 7:55 pm
That didnt exist sort of ruined the game.
It would of been a 1 poss at best. But those calls get forgotten when the game ends. Similar to last weeks phantom roughing the passer in the 1st Q.
Both penalties were horrendous calls  
Anakim : 11/24/2022 7:55 pm : link
Garbage calls by garbage officials
The penalty that wiped out the touchdown  
Costy16 : 11/24/2022 7:56 pm : link
Was a heaping crock of shit
Really changed the  
bubba0825 : 11/24/2022 7:56 pm : link
Game
RE: The penalty that wiped out the touchdown  
emcca005 : 11/24/2022 7:57 pm : link
In comment 15921012 Costy16 said:
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Was a heaping crock of shit


Admittedly I didn’t see the penalty on Darnay but the ineligible man downfield was legit. Phillips wandered 3-4 yards off the line before the pass was thrown
The inelegible downfield sucked  
fanoftheteam : 11/24/2022 7:59 pm : link
Because the DL sorta sucked him into it then he retreated. Wouldnt of been called on thr home team.
RE: RE: The penalty that wiped out the touchdown  
Costy16 : 11/24/2022 7:59 pm : link
In comment 15921022 emcca005 said:
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Was a heaping crock of shit



Admittedly I didn’t see the penalty on Darnay but the ineligible man downfield was legit. Phillips wandered 3-4 yards off the line before the pass was thrown


He was engaged on a defender and began to retreat once he disengaged.
Completely phantom call  
BillT : 11/24/2022 8:03 pm : link
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RE: RE: RE: The penalty that wiped out the touchdown  
BillT : 11/24/2022 8:04 pm : link
In comment 15921044 Costy16 said:
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Was a heaping crock of shit



Admittedly I didn’t see the penalty on Darnay but the ineligible man downfield was legit. Phillips wandered 3-4 yards off the line before the pass was thrown



He was engaged on a defender and began to retreat once he disengaged.

Terrible call. Utter nonsense
7 penalties against the Giants...  
Jim in Tampa : 11/24/2022 8:04 pm : link
13 against the Cowboys.

The refs taking away that first TD sucked, but it was the right call.

Jones making that bad throw to Barkley on 4th down was a pretty big turning point too, as was Barkley not showing up for the game.
The throw wasnt bad  
fanoftheteam : 11/24/2022 8:07 pm : link
Watch the replay - their was the Left D End turning the corner with his hand up. He had to put the ball there or let it get batted down.
RE: 7 penalties against the Giants...  
monstercoo : 11/24/2022 8:10 pm : link
In comment 15921069 Jim in Tampa said:
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13 against the Cowboys.

The refs taking away that first TD sucked, but it was the right call.

Jones making that bad throw to Barkley on 4th down was a pretty big turning point too, as was Barkley not showing up for the game.


You need to watch the replay, it was a phantom call, there was no penalty.
Darnay's penalty  
section125 : 11/24/2022 8:13 pm : link
was a bad call. Even Mike Pereira said it was non-existent.

The one on Phillips by the letter of the law was correct, but he did shove his man downfield, so does he have to stop blocking? Game had far too many cheappie calls.
Penalty on Darnay  
Gee Men Fan : 11/24/2022 8:57 pm : link
Interesting that Lamb complains to the ref on the previous play when the pass sailed out of bounds, no where near where he could catch it, and then gets the very next call on the phantom Holmes hold. Pathetic
The penalty for being downfield  
Archer : 11/24/2022 9:10 pm : link
The penalty for Philips being downfield was awful.

The Offensive Lineman is allowed to be within 5 yards of the line, his play had no impact on the play, and the call is only made if it is egregious.

You can make that call on almost every play.

The defensive holding call against Holmes was bogus.
He played the play perfectly.He was in trail position and did not impede the player.

Both of these calls were by the same ref.


While the Cowboys had more penalties they were not nearly as consequential.

Both Penalties Were Horrendous  
Bernie : 11/24/2022 9:10 pm : link
On the illegal man down field, he wanders 3 yards realizes and retreats to 2 yards before the ball is thrown. Well within the 1-3 yard margin that is afforded offensive lineman. That penalty never gets called if the player fixes the error. On Darnay, that was garbage.

Regardless, this game was there to be won if the offense could make some plays in the 3rd qtr. But in the end, hard to win close games when a team is 4 deep into the depth chart at key positions.
RE: The penalty that wiped out the touchdown  
5BowlsSoon : 11/24/2022 9:12 pm : link
In comment 15921012 Costy16 said:
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Was a heaping crock of shit


But I believe according to the rule the guy was guilty by crossing the line by a couple of yards….yes? Are you saying the ref should not apply the rule because it’s a stupid rule or because it was a minor rule infraction?
RE: RE: The penalty that wiped out the touchdown  
section125 : 11/24/2022 9:15 pm : link
In comment 15921280 5BowlsSoon said:
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Was a heaping crock of shit



But I believe according to the rule the guy was guilty by crossing the line by a couple of yards….yes? Are you saying the ref should not apply the rule because it’s a stupid rule or because it was a minor rule infraction?


By the letter is was a penalty. The question is that he was engaged with a defender - what is he supposed to do just stop blocking?
I'm disgusted.  
mittenedman : 11/24/2022 9:18 pm : link
Those 2 calls were as shady as it gets. Even expecting to get screwed vs. DAL, it's never easy when it happens.
RE: The penalty for being downfield  
BlackLight : 11/24/2022 9:19 pm : link
In comment 15921272 Archer said:
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The penalty for Philips being downfield was awful.

The Offensive Lineman is allowed to be within 5 yards of the line, his play had no impact on the play, and the call is only made if it is egregious.



One yard, not five. Whether he has any impact on the play or is, in your judgment, egregious, is irrelevant.

By the letter of the law, it was a foul. People are pissed because they seem to believe this play happens all the time and doesn't get called. This is, at the very least, unproven.
RE: RE: The penalty for being downfield  
section125 : 11/24/2022 9:24 pm : link
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The penalty for Philips being downfield was awful.

The Offensive Lineman is allowed to be within 5 yards of the line, his play had no impact on the play, and the call is only made if it is egregious.





One yard, not five. Whether he has any impact on the play or is, in your judgment, egregious, is irrelevant.

By the letter of the law, it was a foul. People are pissed because they seem to believe this play happens all the time and doesn't get called. This is, at the very least, unproven.


I believe that is the 3rd time this year they have had this called.
RE: RE: The penalty for being downfield  
Bernie : 11/24/2022 9:30 pm : link
In comment 15921316 BlackLight said:
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The penalty for Philips being downfield was awful.

The Offensive Lineman is allowed to be within 5 yards of the line, his play had no impact on the play, and the call is only made if it is egregious.





One yard, not five. Whether he has any impact on the play or is, in your judgment, egregious, is irrelevant.

By the letter of the law, it was a foul. People are pissed because they seem to believe this play happens all the time and doesn't get called. This is, at the very least, unproven.


It was said on the broadcast (I believe by Pereira, but could be wrong) that players are given 1-3 yard buffer on this. He was at 3 and then went back to 2.
RE: RE: RE: The penalty that wiped out the touchdown  
5BowlsSoon : 11/24/2022 9:30 pm : link
In comment 15921293 section125 said:
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Was a heaping crock of shit



But I believe according to the rule the guy was guilty by crossing the line by a couple of yards….yes? Are you saying the ref should not apply the rule because it’s a stupid rule or because it was a minor rule infraction?



By the letter is was a penalty. The question is that he was engaged with a defender - what is he supposed to do just stop blocking?


Phillips even knew he was too far downfield and tried to get back. I think he is allowed to go 1 yard…I’m not sure how far he went…I heard 3 yards.

Should this have been called? I don’t know….does the actual practice allow for grace by the linesman? If so, then no, that should not have been called. But I don’t know what they do in practice.

Should the rule be amended? Hell yes….
RE: 7 penalties against the Giants...  
Joe Beckwith : 11/24/2022 9:32 pm : link
In comment 15921069 Jim in Tampa said:
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13 against the Cowboys.

The refs taking away that first TD sucked, but it was the right call.

Jones making that bad throw to Barkley on 4th down was a pretty big turning point too, as was Barkley not showing up for the game.


It wasn’t the # of penalties, it was type of calls that bothered me.
12 yards downfield our receiver, I think Hodgkin ,was held and called a holding and not PI. Lamb and our defender get a little tangled up, and it’s a PI on us.
Those 2 stood out to me.
I saw some of the BillsLions game, and saw some bad calls there too but at least a PI was a PI and conveniently not renamed holding.
The penalties against Holmes  
Bill in UT : 11/24/2022 9:34 pm : link
may not have been good, but his coverage still wasn't sufficient down the stretch
From the nfl rule book  
Archer : 11/24/2022 10:02 pm : link
The penalty for an ineligible player downfield is if the player is (5) yards beyond the line of scrimmage
5bowls: Here are the downfield rules  
JoeSchoens11 : 11/24/2022 10:19 pm : link
Item 1b and Item 2c are relevant.
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Item 1. Legally Downfield. An ineligible player is not illegally downfield if, after initiating contact with an opponent within one yard of the line of scrimmage during his initial charge:
(a) he moves more than one yard beyond the line while legally blocking or being blocked by an opponent
(b) after breaking legal contact with an opponent more than one yard beyond the line of scrimmage, he remains stationary until
a forward pass is thrown
(c) after losing legal contact with an opponent more than one yard beyond the line of scrimmage, he is forced behind the line of
scrimmage by an opponent, at which time he is again subject to normal blocking restrictions for an ineligible offensive player
Note: If an ineligible offensive player moves beyond the line while legally blocking or being blocked by an opponent, an eligible offensive player may catch a pass between them and the line of scrimmage.

Item 2. Illegally Downfield. An ineligible offensive player is illegally downfield if:
(a) he moves more than one yard beyond the line of scrimmage without contacting an opponent
(b) after losing contact with an opponent within one yard of the line of scrimmage, he advances more than one yard beyond the
line of scrimmage
(c) after losing contact with an opponent more than one yard beyond the line of scrimmage, he continues to move toward his
opponent’s goal line.
Phillips engaged within a yard of the LOS and did not continue to move forward after disengaging (he paused then retreated) .

I guess an argument could be made the the block wasn’t on his ‘initial charge’ but that’s (oddly) not a included in Item 2.
RE: 5bowls: Here are the downfield rules  
section125 : 11/24/2022 10:25 pm : link
In comment 15921457 JoeSchoens11 said:
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Item 1b and Item 2c are relevant.


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Item 1. Legally Downfield. An ineligible player is not illegally downfield if, after initiating contact with an opponent within one yard of the line of scrimmage during his initial charge:
(a) he moves more than one yard beyond the line while legally blocking or being blocked by an opponent
(b) after breaking legal contact with an opponent more than one yard beyond the line of scrimmage, he remains stationary until
a forward pass is thrown
(c) after losing legal contact with an opponent more than one yard beyond the line of scrimmage, he is forced behind the line of
scrimmage by an opponent, at which time he is again subject to normal blocking restrictions for an ineligible offensive player
Note: If an ineligible offensive player moves beyond the line while legally blocking or being blocked by an opponent, an eligible offensive player may catch a pass between them and the line of scrimmage.

Item 2. Illegally Downfield. An ineligible offensive player is illegally downfield if:
(a) he moves more than one yard beyond the line of scrimmage without contacting an opponent
(b) after losing contact with an opponent within one yard of the line of scrimmage, he advances more than one yard beyond the
line of scrimmage
(c) after losing contact with an opponent more than one yard beyond the line of scrimmage, he continues to move toward his
opponent’s goal line.

Phillips engaged within a yard of the LOS and did not continue to move forward after disengaging (he paused then retreated) .

I guess an argument could be made the the block wasn’t on his ‘initial charge’ but that’s (oddly) not a included in Item 2.


That was my question - he was blocking until the defender broke off and then he either sat there or went back toward the line....
Sadly, we will never know as the NFL never allows discussions and will only let the complainant team know and they are not allowed to say publically.
Patriots Vikings game  
Giantimistic : 11/24/2022 11:12 pm : link
Vikings just tried a screen and the oline were like 10 yards down field and that was not called
RE: RE: The penalty that wiped out the touchdown  
Ivan15 : 11/25/2022 7:33 am : link
In comment 15921022 emcca005 said:
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Was a heaping crock of shit



Admittedly I didn’t see the penalty on Darnay but the ineligible man downfield was legit. Phillips wandered 3-4 yards off the line before the pass was thrown
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Isn’t the rule 5 yards? And yes, wander is the operative word as it looked to be completely unintentional. ________________________
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