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Mark from Jersey : 11/24/2022 8:01 pm
there is no way you dedicate any big money/future contracts to either Daniel Jones or Saquon Barkley.

Barkley played like a complete pussy, especially in the second half. Give me Brightwell and Bredia all day over this fairy two stepper who is afraid to finish off a run.

Jones was a deer in headlights, again, and seemed hesitant to run, again, this week when the opportunity presented itself.

7 wins is a façade. Time to let these guys go and rebuild for real.
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Wow what a bad take  
larryflower37 : 11/24/2022 8:27 pm : link
Dallas keyed the whole defense at Barkley the only reason Britewell got that big run was because everyone ran passed him to go after Barkley.
Such a stupid analysis and the fact that you felt inclined to start a new thread to announce how stupid you are makes it even worse.
RE: You Have No Idea  
ZogZerg : 11/24/2022 8:37 pm : link
In comment 15921058 Bob in Vt said:
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If Saquon is dealing with injuries right now. Personally, I think he is hurting right now.


If it is injury that is a good reason not to throw big money at him.
Have Joe look at the niners….  
thrunthrublue : 11/24/2022 8:39 pm : link
We want that, not what is here now.
Define big money  
UConn4523 : 11/24/2022 8:42 pm : link
that term is kinda pointless without some figures to work with. It’s quite possible Barkley can be had at 5-6% of the cap, with reasonable guarantees. No, I wouldn’t pay him 5 years $75m with 50% guaranteed but you likely won’t need to.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RBs don’t really make big money  
Jim in Tampa : 11/24/2022 8:42 pm : link
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so saying no without even knowing what the number is makes no sense.



RBs should always be on their first contact



I love absolutes.



the question is do you always love them?

This made me laugh.

Good job!
RE: RE: You Have No Idea  
bubba0825 : 11/24/2022 8:43 pm : link
In comment 15921188 ZogZerg said:
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In comment 15921058 Bob in Vt said:


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If Saquon is dealing with injuries right now. Personally, I think he is hurting right now.



If it is injury that is a good reason not to throw big money at him.


Kinda makes him injury prone? I don’t know he’s not able to elevate the team
Played like a pussy?  
Chris in Philly : 11/24/2022 8:44 pm : link
Jesus, shut up.
While I think SB  
Daniel in MI : 11/24/2022 8:44 pm : link
Doesn’t run “tough” since his shoulder, you guys are missing the big picture.

SB and DJ have come back to earth mostly since the OL has been mix and match again, and since Bellinger went out, too.

That’s not a coincidence.

One DT for the Lions had 10 QB pressures last game. 1 DT…10 fing pressures!

Couple that with DJ playing with dogshit and he’s in a no win situation. They key SB and rush DJ not worried about our WRs and TEs.

Dak threw 2 picks and was off on a lot of throws. But he’s bailed out by WRs, OL, and a running game. DJ has to be perfect on every throw and while getting crushed waiting for Sills and James to try to get open.
Signing Barkley  
Dave in PA : 11/24/2022 8:45 pm : link
Would be negligent mismanagement of an already shitty cap situation. Some no name scrub like Brightwell just proved that you do not need a “star” at RB to succeed
RE: You Have No Idea  
US1 Giants : 11/24/2022 8:45 pm : link
In comment 15921058 Bob in Vt said:
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If Saquon is dealing with injuries right now. Personally, I think he is hurting right now.


Saquon gets hurt all the time. That is one of his biggest problems. I could see franchising him one time but please no long-term contract.
i wonder what you were saying about Barkley  
wigs in nyc : 11/24/2022 8:47 pm : link
earlier this season.

The franchise for 1 year, as a RB, is a good deal
RE: I am glad we do not have any real player evaluators here ...  
NYG123 : 11/24/2022 8:48 pm : link
In comment 15921109 DefenseWins said:
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making decisions about the following season when we still have a lot of games left to play in this season.


I don’t think you need to get through the whole season to have a pretty good idea of what you have
RE: i wonder what you were saying about Barkley  
ajr2456 : 11/24/2022 8:50 pm : link
In comment 15921216 wigs in nyc said:
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earlier this season.

The franchise for 1 year, as a RB, is a good deal


Yea it’s basically a no brainer.
RE: Signing Barkley  
UConn4523 : 11/24/2022 8:52 pm : link
In comment 15921210 Dave in PA said:
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Would be negligent mismanagement of an already shitty cap situation. Some no name scrub like Brightwell just proved that you do not need a “star” at RB to succeed


If Brightwell was our starting RB this year we don’t start 7-2. Talk about negligent mismanagement.
Barkley started the day 2nd in the league in rushing.  
BlackLight : 11/24/2022 8:53 pm : link
Should we cut him now or wait?
Franchise Barkley  
Jerry in_DC : 11/24/2022 8:54 pm : link
And offer Jones essentially the same contract (1 year $12m) as a placeholder.

Barkley is the offense. Even just look at that Brightwell run when Barkley was the decoy. Defenses are terrified of him. The tag is a good value for him
And like 75% of our passing game  
Jerry in_DC : 11/24/2022 8:56 pm : link
Is based on the threat of Barkley. I get the arguments against a long term deal for an RB, but he's so valuable to the team and it's really not that much money for the tag
RE: You Have No Idea  
Vanzetti : 11/24/2022 8:57 pm : link
In comment 15921058 Bob in Vt said:
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If Saquon is dealing with injuries right now. Personally, I think he is hurting right now.


That's what I thought. Especially the way he keeps turning to his back when he is getting stopped. as if he is protecting his front shoulder

But whatever it is, he has not run hard the last two weeks
RE: While I think SB  
HomerJones45 : 11/24/2022 9:00 pm : link
In comment 15921209 Daniel in MI said:
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Doesn’t run “tough” since his shoulder, you guys are missing the big picture.

SB and DJ have come back to earth mostly since the OL has been mix and match again, and since Bellinger went out, too.

That’s not a coincidence.

One DT for the Lions had 10 QB pressures last game. 1 DT…10 fing pressures!

Couple that with DJ playing with dogshit and he’s in a no win situation. They key SB and rush DJ not worried about our WRs and TEs.

Dak threw 2 picks and was off on a lot of throws. But he’s bailed out by WRs, OL, and a running game. DJ has to be perfect on every throw and while getting crushed waiting for Sills and James to try to get open.
sorry but no. I in the first place, jones got bailed out on a few throws too.

Jones needs to read the defense and get the ball out. You can’t get the ball in the shotgun, look the field over for 3.5 seconds and then when the rush comes, blame the rush. The difference between he and Dak is not in throwing ability- Dak isn’t that much better a passer, but he is a quick read, sees the field, is decisive and he gets rid of the ball. Jones can’t seem to do any of that.
.  
SoZKillA : 11/24/2022 9:01 pm : link
I refuse to believe a 25 year old professional athlete is exhausted. Tikis last 3 years he was getting over 300 carries and 50 catches and never got hurt or came out of the game.
Running backs have short careers  
kelly : 11/24/2022 9:11 pm : link
Barkley never ran hard. When was the last time you ever saw him break a tackle? I can't remember. Also he is injury prone. Now a shoulder injury. Can't afford to sign him, too many holes in the roster, we are not one player away from a good roster.

If we sign Jones you have to build a top level offensive line. Jones is not good enough to carry a team.

Honestly for 10 years we haven't been able to win the battle in the trenches either on offense or defense. As a Giant fan really tired of not being able to win in the trenches.

we need two 340 pound guards and two dynamic ILB's or we are never going to go very far.

I am not disappointed in losing to dallas they are the more talented team. But really tired of not winning in the trenches.

RE: Except for calling Barkley a fairy  
giantstock : 11/24/2022 9:11 pm : link
In comment 15921117 Jim in Tampa said:
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And as was mentioned on the telecast, the bad throw by Jones (to Barkley) on 4th down was one of the turning points of the game.

Neither of our 2 offensive "stars" showed up today.


Not arguing g who stays who goes etc but Barkley has to catch that. He's a pro. He dropped the freaking ball.
Sy called it after Seattle  
Chocco : 11/24/2022 9:13 pm : link
Teams will know how to game plan against the giants now. They seem like they are trying to adjust, but don't have the talent and I think not having Bellanger is making a bigger difference than we realize.
I do not  
PaulN : 11/24/2022 9:14 pm : link
Believe for a moment that we know what they will do, but my guess is that they are going to make a lot of changes. They will keep intact what they believe is important and sustainable for the future. You think at his salary that Leonard Williams has nothing to be concerned about? There are hoping to be plenty of changes, that is what I see. Leonard Willuams has not known a season where he is not paid like a Superstar player. Is that what we are getting out of him. Superstar play?
RE: Played like a pussy?  
fanoftheteam : 11/24/2022 9:14 pm : link
In comment 15921208 Chris in Philly said:
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Jesus, shut up.



He played like a complete pussy. Which is why brightwell and breida were more effective
The two biggest plays of the game  
ajr2456 : 11/24/2022 9:15 pm : link
Was a Richie James diving catch and Slayton mossing a corner 40 yards downfield. Without those Daniel Jones’ day would have looked much worse.
I would love to keep both players  
JerrysKids : 11/24/2022 9:15 pm : link
Disagree that DJ had a bad game, actually I thought he was showed up and played well. He has a leaky line that is decimated 3 starters out, has the top 4 receivers and starting TE injured or traded off the team. I think he's not going to bankrupt us to keep DJ thinking the market for him will not be too strong, DJ at 25 per year would be a good value. Sequan I think we will not be able to keep, not comfortable giving him a big contact with his injury history, 10 mil a year is the max I would offer him.
RE: You Have No Idea  
jvm52106 : 11/24/2022 9:16 pm : link
In comment 15921058 Bob in Vt said:
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If Saquon is dealing with injuries right now. Personally, I think he is hurting right now.


He might be but that doesn't explain falling down, dropping passes etc. I don't spend big on a RB period!! We need at least 2 WR's , another TE and of course a QB..
RE: RE: You Have No Idea  
ajr2456 : 11/24/2022 9:18 pm : link
In comment 15921297 jvm52106 said:
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If Saquon is dealing with injuries right now. Personally, I think he is hurting right now.



He might be but that doesn't explain falling down, dropping passes etc. I don't spend big on a RB period!! We need at least 2 WR's , another TE and of course a QB..


In his defense he fell on the 4th and 1 because he was running the opposite direction and had to reach back and at his ankles. Should have stayed on his feet but it’s not like he just slipped for no reason .
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giantstock : 11/24/2022 9:35 pm : link
In comment 15921308 ajr2456 said:
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If Saquon is dealing with injuries right now. Personally, I think he is hurting right now.



He might be but that doesn't explain falling down, dropping passes etc. I don't spend big on a RB period!! We need at least 2 WR's , another TE and of course a QB..



In his defense he fell on the 4th and 1 because he was running the opposite direction and had to reach back and at his ankles. Should have stayed on his feet but it’s not like he just slipped for no reason .


Bullshit the ball weas at his ankles.

Complete bullshit.
RE: The two biggest plays of the game  
Chocco : 11/24/2022 9:40 pm : link
In comment 15921290 ajr2456 said:
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Was a Richie James diving catch and Slayton mossing a corner 40 yards downfield. Without those Daniel Jones’ day would have looked much worse.

To be fair Slayton could/should have had 2 deep catches. He dropped the first one on a nice throw
It’s amazing how fast  
Breeze_94 : 11/24/2022 10:38 pm : link
This fan base has turned on Barkley and Jones.

These 2 are far from the problem.

The WR group is the worst in the NFL. Not sure it’s close. TE’s are probably a bottom 2-3 group too. And the OL is a bottom 10 unit.

What’s wrong with Saquon? They’ve had to rely on him too much. He’s getting a ton of volume and shouldering the load, and facing stacked boxes. Watch how the opposing teams LB’s flow against the Giants- he’s getting hit almost immediately every play. The only time this team can run the ball (since Neal, Bredeson & Bellinger injuries) is with 2-3 extra OL on the field. The issue with Saquon starts up front.

As for the drop- Saquons never been a great catcher of the football. He’s okay at it- but he can’t consistently make catches away from his body like other guys.
But a good  
thrunthrublue : 11/24/2022 10:40 pm : link
Decoy since opposing teams practice to stop him…..running him away from the point of attack seemed to yield positive yards today.
RE: It’s amazing how fast  
Sean : 11/24/2022 10:42 pm : link
In comment 15921501 Breeze_94 said:
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This fan base has turned on Barkley and Jones.

These 2 are far from the problem.

The WR group is the worst in the NFL. Not sure it’s close. TE’s are probably a bottom 2-3 group too. And the OL is a bottom 10 unit.

What’s wrong with Saquon? They’ve had to rely on him too much. He’s getting a ton of volume and shouldering the load, and facing stacked boxes. Watch how the opposing teams LB’s flow against the Giants- he’s getting hit almost immediately every play. The only time this team can run the ball (since Neal, Bredeson & Bellinger injuries) is with 2-3 extra OL on the field. The issue with Saquon starts up front.

As for the drop- Saquons never been a great catcher of the football. He’s okay at it- but he can’t consistently make catches away from his body like other guys.

Again, they are both *pending free agents*. It’s like so many here think they are 2nd year players, then of course this point would be relevant. But, both are NOT under contract next season. So, what does “far from the problem” have to do with it? The debate is whether a large investment should be made on either player or both.
RE: You Have No Idea  
sharp315 : 11/24/2022 10:56 pm : link
In comment 15921058 Bob in Vt said:
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If Saquon is dealing with injuries right now. Personally, I think he is hurting right now.

Who cares if he is hurt? Saquon has maybe 2 seasons left in him. If he is continually hurt doesn't that prove even more that he is not the guy? He is in year 5 of a position where most players do not even get 2nd contracts.
RE: Franchise Barkley  
islander1 : 11/24/2022 11:03 pm : link
In comment 15921235 Jerry in_DC said:
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And offer Jones essentially the same contract (1 year $12m) as a placeholder.

Barkley is the offense. Even just look at that Brightwell run when Barkley was the decoy. Defenses are terrified of him. The tag is a good value for him


This. Breida and Brightwell succeed because they aren't taken seriously.
As far as Jones goes, what else is out there?  
anon837 : 11/24/2022 11:15 pm : link
This team has overachieved and put themselves out of the running for one of the top 3 QBs in the first round. And if you think any rookie after Stroud, Young, and maybe Levis is better than Jones, then by all means Schoen should pull the trigger. But I don't see it, especially with Anthony Richardson, Hendon Hooker, Tanner McKee, and Tyler Van Dyke. Barkley, as much as I like him, can be replaced in the 2nd or 3rd round. I would love to see both come back because Barkley is that good when healthy and Jones seems to have found his system. This team is still in a rebuild, has many holes to fill, and only but so many draft picks to get cheap talent.
Don't we usually...  
Brown_Hornet : 11/24/2022 11:24 pm : link
...keep the stupid on the game threads?
I wish jones would run more too  
djm : 11/24/2022 11:36 pm : link
It’s my biggest complaint with him the last two weeks. Against Detroit I was screaming for jones to “keep” it on all those option plays where he kept giving it to Barkley only to see Barkley get crushed for no gain.

Jones still doesn’t always display the best awareness to me. Mainly on those running option plays. He can murder teams on the ground and probably could have hurt Dallas much more tonight. He’s lethal when he puts his head down and runs. Do it more often.
As for Barkley  
djm : 11/24/2022 11:39 pm : link
He’s underrated by a lot of posters here. End of the day the guy will have over 1500 all purpose yards, 1300+ rushing yards. Double digit tds. But he’s twinkly toes. Yea you don’t know wtf your watching. Watch every other rb every play ten tell me Barkley isn’t any good. Clueless.
RE: As far as Jones goes, what else is out there?  
GMen72 : 11/24/2022 11:59 pm : link
In comment 15921546 anon837 said:
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This team has overachieved and put themselves out of the running for one of the top 3 QBs in the first round. And if you think any rookie after Stroud, Young, and maybe Levis is better than Jones, then by all means Schoen should pull the trigger. But I don't see it, especially with Anthony Richardson, Hendon Hooker, Tanner McKee, and Tyler Van Dyke. Barkley, as much as I like him, can be replaced in the 2nd or 3rd round. I would love to see both come back because Barkley is that good when healthy and Jones seems to have found his system. This team is still in a rebuild, has many holes to fill, and only but so many draft picks to get cheap talent.


So, pay an average QB $30+ million because there might not be much out there? What if Schoen drafts the next Mahomes? Stop with the doom and gloom that Jones is ok...so let's be content with ok. Don't settle for average because you're scared we won't win 8 games next year...the goal should be winning the SB. DJ ain't winning a SB.
RE: As for Barkley  
GMen72 : 11/25/2022 12:00 am : link
In comment 15921562 djm said:
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He’s underrated by a lot of posters here. End of the day the guy will have over 1500 all purpose yards, 1300+ rushing yards. Double digit tds. But he’s twinkly toes. Yea you don’t know wtf your watching. Watch every other rb every play ten tell me Barkley isn’t any good. Clueless.


Agree...and even if they're not in love with him, he has trade value if tagged. DJ would have none if tagged.
RE: RE: As far as Jones goes, what else is out there?  
Producer : 11/25/2022 12:08 am : link
In comment 15921568 GMen72 said:
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This team has overachieved and put themselves out of the running for one of the top 3 QBs in the first round. And if you think any rookie after Stroud, Young, and maybe Levis is better than Jones, then by all means Schoen should pull the trigger. But I don't see it, especially with Anthony Richardson, Hendon Hooker, Tanner McKee, and Tyler Van Dyke. Barkley, as much as I like him, can be replaced in the 2nd or 3rd round. I would love to see both come back because Barkley is that good when healthy and Jones seems to have found his system. This team is still in a rebuild, has many holes to fill, and only but so many draft picks to get cheap talent.



So, pay an average QB $30+ million because there might not be much out there? What if Schoen drafts the next Mahomes? Stop with the doom and gloom that Jones is ok...so let's be content with ok. Don't settle for average because you're scared we won't win 8 games next year...the goal should be winning the SB. DJ ain't winning a SB.


Agree with you completely. We should reach for greatness, not settle for mediocrity.
Ya'll crazy fans if you think Jones or  
prdave73 : 11/25/2022 2:39 am : link
especially Barkley aren't worth singing long term.. Wow. Barkley for sure should be resigned. This guy is one of the best RB's in the game. Look what he has done this season even with the Giants Oline??! You kidding me? He is a franchise player. So he has a slow day against one of the best defenses in the league?? The OC is a big part of him getting going as well. If the Giants don't resign Barkley, they are stupid.
It's very confusing...  
Kanavis : 11/25/2022 8:24 am : link
You can look at the numbers and realize SB has done things no other RB has this year. But you watch the games and he does look just a bit slower and tentative.

My own preference is to let him go. It's like the organization is constantly confused about how to use him. He is never going to be a plow up the middle and 30 carry back. But they keep trying it that way. He will wear down and get injured. Not a knock on him. It's true for most backs.

With the right salary, and some shifting in the approach, and a coach who is willing to share the carries, he could be part of the new foundation. I just dont think it will happen here. Let him walk.
Jones need to throw that ball better to Saquon  
chick310 : 11/25/2022 8:47 am : link
and Saquon should have caught it anyway.

This secondary can't hold up against better QBs/WRs, so the two offensive leaders have to do more. And they didn't last night.

RE: It’s amazing how fast  
BlueVinnie : 11/25/2022 9:07 am : link
In comment 15921501 Breeze_94 said:
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This fan base has turned on Barkley and Jones.

These 2 are far from the problem.


???
Many here have known for at least 2 seasons that Jones IS a problem. That isn't something new.
Barkely has not looked good the last 2 weeks but without him, we are 3-8 or 4-7.
RE: RE: As far as Jones goes, what else is out there?  
giantstock : 11/25/2022 9:23 am : link
In comment 15921568 GMen72 said:
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This team has overachieved and put themselves out of the running for one of the top 3 QBs in the first round. And if you think any rookie after Stroud, Young, and maybe Levis is better than Jones, then by all means Schoen should pull the trigger. But I don't see it, especially with Anthony Richardson, Hendon Hooker, Tanner McKee, and Tyler Van Dyke. Barkley, as much as I like him, can be replaced in the 2nd or 3rd round. I would love to see both come back because Barkley is that good when healthy and Jones seems to have found his system. This team is still in a rebuild, has many holes to fill, and only but so many draft picks to get cheap talent.



So, pay an average QB $30+ million because there might not be much out there? What if Schoen drafts the next Mahomes? Stop with the doom and gloom that Jones is ok...so let's be content with ok. Don't settle for average because you're scared we won't win 8 games next year...the goal should be winning the SB. DJ ain't winning a SB.


The "doom and gloom" goes both ways.

You're suggesting doom and gloom if Giants sign him for more than $15m.

You're suggesting doom and gloom that DJ "ain't winning a SB."

And on the flip side you're suggesting drafting the next Mahomes.

While I agree with you in that I'm leaning toward not signing Jones, - it's for different reasons You continue to to be so far offbase. The next "Mahomes" is an expectation? Just "wow!!!!!"
Waving past posts discussing Jones and Barkley and  
chick310 : 11/25/2022 9:41 am : link
claiming they "aren't the problem" so look elsewhere is disingenuous.

They are the two offensive stars and being heavily considered by many to be worthy of expensive second contracts or at the very least, Franchise Tags.

Shouldn't we expect a heck of a lot more than saying they aren't the problem?
RE: RE: As far as Jones goes, what else is out there?  
anon837 : 11/25/2022 1:44 pm : link
In comment 15921568 GMen72 said:
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This team has overachieved and put themselves out of the running for one of the top 3 QBs in the first round. And if you think any rookie after Stroud, Young, and maybe Levis is better than Jones, then by all means Schoen should pull the trigger. But I don't see it, especially with Anthony Richardson, Hendon Hooker, Tanner McKee, and Tyler Van Dyke. Barkley, as much as I like him, can be replaced in the 2nd or 3rd round. I would love to see both come back because Barkley is that good when healthy and Jones seems to have found his system. This team is still in a rebuild, has many holes to fill, and only but so many draft picks to get cheap talent.



So, pay an average QB $30+ million because there might not be much out there? What if Schoen drafts the next Mahomes? Stop with the doom and gloom that Jones is ok...so let's be content with ok. Don't settle for average because you're scared we won't win 8 games next year...the goal should be winning the SB. DJ ain't winning a SB.
This is like my daughter saying "just go to the bank and get more money". Thats not how it works. IF they find a rookie that is more than DJ, then, as I said, they should pull the trigger. The next Mahomes? They just don't pop up in every darft, in every round. GMs are looking for the nxt big, strong, mobile QB that can turn in to Josh Allen. That specimen is very, very rare. Hope they have a Plan B. If there is a FA QB that can be had that is better, then you pull the trigger. But looking at the draft (where the Giants may be positioned) and the upcoming FA market, it's pretty bare. You can win with Jones. Did he miss a few throws? That he did. But I want to get a better gauge of what he looks like with an actual healthy team and another off-season with Daboll. They got the coaching staff right. Its up to the FO to make that decision on a signal caller.
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