there is no way you dedicate any big money/future contracts to either Daniel Jones or Saquon Barkley.
Barkley played like a complete pussy, especially in the second half. Give me Brightwell and Bredia all day over this fairy two stepper who is afraid to finish off a run.
Jones was a deer in headlights, again, and seemed hesitant to run, again, this week when the opportunity presented itself.
7 wins is a façade. Time to let these guys go and rebuild for real.
Such a stupid analysis and the fact that you felt inclined to start a new thread to announce how stupid you are makes it even worse.
If it is injury that is a good reason not to throw big money at him.
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so saying no without even knowing what the number is makes no sense.
RBs should always be on their first contact
I love absolutes.
the question is do you always love them?
This made me laugh.
Good job!
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If Saquon is dealing with injuries right now. Personally, I think he is hurting right now.
If it is injury that is a good reason not to throw big money at him.
Kinda makes him injury prone? I don’t know he’s not able to elevate the team
SB and DJ have come back to earth mostly since the OL has been mix and match again, and since Bellinger went out, too.
That’s not a coincidence.
One DT for the Lions had 10 QB pressures last game. 1 DT…10 fing pressures!
Couple that with DJ playing with dogshit and he’s in a no win situation. They key SB and rush DJ not worried about our WRs and TEs.
Dak threw 2 picks and was off on a lot of throws. But he’s bailed out by WRs, OL, and a running game. DJ has to be perfect on every throw and while getting crushed waiting for Sills and James to try to get open.
Saquon gets hurt all the time. That is one of his biggest problems. I could see franchising him one time but please no long-term contract.
The franchise for 1 year, as a RB, is a good deal
I don’t think you need to get through the whole season to have a pretty good idea of what you have
The franchise for 1 year, as a RB, is a good deal
Yea it’s basically a no brainer.
If Brightwell was our starting RB this year we don’t start 7-2. Talk about negligent mismanagement.
Barkley is the offense. Even just look at that Brightwell run when Barkley was the decoy. Defenses are terrified of him. The tag is a good value for him
That's what I thought. Especially the way he keeps turning to his back when he is getting stopped. as if he is protecting his front shoulder
But whatever it is, he has not run hard the last two weeks
SB and DJ have come back to earth mostly since the OL has been mix and match again, and since Bellinger went out, too.
That’s not a coincidence.
One DT for the Lions had 10 QB pressures last game. 1 DT…10 fing pressures!
Couple that with DJ playing with dogshit and he’s in a no win situation. They key SB and rush DJ not worried about our WRs and TEs.
Dak threw 2 picks and was off on a lot of throws. But he’s bailed out by WRs, OL, and a running game. DJ has to be perfect on every throw and while getting crushed waiting for Sills and James to try to get open.
Jones needs to read the defense and get the ball out. You can’t get the ball in the shotgun, look the field over for 3.5 seconds and then when the rush comes, blame the rush. The difference between he and Dak is not in throwing ability- Dak isn’t that much better a passer, but he is a quick read, sees the field, is decisive and he gets rid of the ball. Jones can’t seem to do any of that.
If we sign Jones you have to build a top level offensive line. Jones is not good enough to carry a team.
Honestly for 10 years we haven't been able to win the battle in the trenches either on offense or defense. As a Giant fan really tired of not being able to win in the trenches.
we need two 340 pound guards and two dynamic ILB's or we are never going to go very far.
I am not disappointed in losing to dallas they are the more talented team. But really tired of not winning in the trenches.
And as was mentioned on the telecast, the bad throw by Jones (to Barkley) on 4th down was one of the turning points of the game.
Neither of our 2 offensive "stars" showed up today.
Not arguing g who stays who goes etc but Barkley has to catch that. He's a pro. He dropped the freaking ball.
He played like a complete pussy. Which is why brightwell and breida were more effective
He might be but that doesn't explain falling down, dropping passes etc. I don't spend big on a RB period!! We need at least 2 WR's , another TE and of course a QB..
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If Saquon is dealing with injuries right now. Personally, I think he is hurting right now.
He might be but that doesn't explain falling down, dropping passes etc. I don't spend big on a RB period!! We need at least 2 WR's , another TE and of course a QB..
In his defense he fell on the 4th and 1 because he was running the opposite direction and had to reach back and at his ankles. Should have stayed on his feet but it’s not like he just slipped for no reason .
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If Saquon is dealing with injuries right now. Personally, I think he is hurting right now.
He might be but that doesn't explain falling down, dropping passes etc. I don't spend big on a RB period!! We need at least 2 WR's , another TE and of course a QB..
In his defense he fell on the 4th and 1 because he was running the opposite direction and had to reach back and at his ankles. Should have stayed on his feet but it’s not like he just slipped for no reason .
Bullshit the ball weas at his ankles.
Complete bullshit.
To be fair Slayton could/should have had 2 deep catches. He dropped the first one on a nice throw
These 2 are far from the problem.
The WR group is the worst in the NFL. Not sure it’s close. TE’s are probably a bottom 2-3 group too. And the OL is a bottom 10 unit.
What’s wrong with Saquon? They’ve had to rely on him too much. He’s getting a ton of volume and shouldering the load, and facing stacked boxes. Watch how the opposing teams LB’s flow against the Giants- he’s getting hit almost immediately every play. The only time this team can run the ball (since Neal, Bredeson & Bellinger injuries) is with 2-3 extra OL on the field. The issue with Saquon starts up front.
As for the drop- Saquons never been a great catcher of the football. He’s okay at it- but he can’t consistently make catches away from his body like other guys.
These 2 are far from the problem.
The WR group is the worst in the NFL. Not sure it’s close. TE’s are probably a bottom 2-3 group too. And the OL is a bottom 10 unit.
What’s wrong with Saquon? They’ve had to rely on him too much. He’s getting a ton of volume and shouldering the load, and facing stacked boxes. Watch how the opposing teams LB’s flow against the Giants- he’s getting hit almost immediately every play. The only time this team can run the ball (since Neal, Bredeson & Bellinger injuries) is with 2-3 extra OL on the field. The issue with Saquon starts up front.
As for the drop- Saquons never been a great catcher of the football. He’s okay at it- but he can’t consistently make catches away from his body like other guys.
Again, they are both *pending free agents*. It’s like so many here think they are 2nd year players, then of course this point would be relevant. But, both are NOT under contract next season. So, what does “far from the problem” have to do with it? The debate is whether a large investment should be made on either player or both.
Who cares if he is hurt? Saquon has maybe 2 seasons left in him. If he is continually hurt doesn't that prove even more that he is not the guy? He is in year 5 of a position where most players do not even get 2nd contracts.
Barkley is the offense. Even just look at that Brightwell run when Barkley was the decoy. Defenses are terrified of him. The tag is a good value for him
This. Breida and Brightwell succeed because they aren't taken seriously.
Jones still doesn’t always display the best awareness to me. Mainly on those running option plays. He can murder teams on the ground and probably could have hurt Dallas much more tonight. He’s lethal when he puts his head down and runs. Do it more often.
So, pay an average QB $30+ million because there might not be much out there? What if Schoen drafts the next Mahomes? Stop with the doom and gloom that Jones is ok...so let's be content with ok. Don't settle for average because you're scared we won't win 8 games next year...the goal should be winning the SB. DJ ain't winning a SB.
Agree...and even if they're not in love with him, he has trade value if tagged. DJ would have none if tagged.
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This team has overachieved and put themselves out of the running for one of the top 3 QBs in the first round. And if you think any rookie after Stroud, Young, and maybe Levis is better than Jones, then by all means Schoen should pull the trigger. But I don't see it, especially with Anthony Richardson, Hendon Hooker, Tanner McKee, and Tyler Van Dyke. Barkley, as much as I like him, can be replaced in the 2nd or 3rd round. I would love to see both come back because Barkley is that good when healthy and Jones seems to have found his system. This team is still in a rebuild, has many holes to fill, and only but so many draft picks to get cheap talent.
So, pay an average QB $30+ million because there might not be much out there? What if Schoen drafts the next Mahomes? Stop with the doom and gloom that Jones is ok...so let's be content with ok. Don't settle for average because you're scared we won't win 8 games next year...the goal should be winning the SB. DJ ain't winning a SB.
Agree with you completely. We should reach for greatness, not settle for mediocrity.
My own preference is to let him go. It's like the organization is constantly confused about how to use him. He is never going to be a plow up the middle and 30 carry back. But they keep trying it that way. He will wear down and get injured. Not a knock on him. It's true for most backs.
With the right salary, and some shifting in the approach, and a coach who is willing to share the carries, he could be part of the new foundation. I just dont think it will happen here. Let him walk.
This secondary can't hold up against better QBs/WRs, so the two offensive leaders have to do more. And they didn't last night.
These 2 are far from the problem.
???
Many here have known for at least 2 seasons that Jones IS a problem. That isn't something new.
Barkely has not looked good the last 2 weeks but without him, we are 3-8 or 4-7.
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This team has overachieved and put themselves out of the running for one of the top 3 QBs in the first round. And if you think any rookie after Stroud, Young, and maybe Levis is better than Jones, then by all means Schoen should pull the trigger. But I don't see it, especially with Anthony Richardson, Hendon Hooker, Tanner McKee, and Tyler Van Dyke. Barkley, as much as I like him, can be replaced in the 2nd or 3rd round. I would love to see both come back because Barkley is that good when healthy and Jones seems to have found his system. This team is still in a rebuild, has many holes to fill, and only but so many draft picks to get cheap talent.
So, pay an average QB $30+ million because there might not be much out there? What if Schoen drafts the next Mahomes? Stop with the doom and gloom that Jones is ok...so let's be content with ok. Don't settle for average because you're scared we won't win 8 games next year...the goal should be winning the SB. DJ ain't winning a SB.
The "doom and gloom" goes both ways.
You're suggesting doom and gloom if Giants sign him for more than $15m.
You're suggesting doom and gloom that DJ "ain't winning a SB."
And on the flip side you're suggesting drafting the next Mahomes.
While I agree with you in that I'm leaning toward not signing Jones, - it's for different reasons You continue to to be so far offbase. The next "Mahomes" is an expectation? Just "wow!!!!!"
They are the two offensive stars and being heavily considered by many to be worthy of expensive second contracts or at the very least, Franchise Tags.
Shouldn't we expect a heck of a lot more than saying they aren't the problem?
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This team has overachieved and put themselves out of the running for one of the top 3 QBs in the first round. And if you think any rookie after Stroud, Young, and maybe Levis is better than Jones, then by all means Schoen should pull the trigger. But I don't see it, especially with Anthony Richardson, Hendon Hooker, Tanner McKee, and Tyler Van Dyke. Barkley, as much as I like him, can be replaced in the 2nd or 3rd round. I would love to see both come back because Barkley is that good when healthy and Jones seems to have found his system. This team is still in a rebuild, has many holes to fill, and only but so many draft picks to get cheap talent.
So, pay an average QB $30+ million because there might not be much out there? What if Schoen drafts the next Mahomes? Stop with the doom and gloom that Jones is ok...so let's be content with ok. Don't settle for average because you're scared we won't win 8 games next year...the goal should be winning the SB. DJ ain't winning a SB.