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This is not a good defense right now...

DefenseWins : 11/24/2022 8:07 pm
For the past few weeks, the defense has been a serious problem.

Giving up too many big plays
Allowing too many 3rd down conversions at crucial points in the game
Too many penalties
Not stopping the run effectively

We did win a few games this year off of a defensive turnover... but the defense allowed the teams to drive down the field.

I like Wink and we do have quite a few injuries. However, if we are not getting home with the blitz, we have to think about another approach to the scheme.
Need speed at LB  
PetesHereNow : 11/24/2022 8:08 pm : link
The defense needs a beast in the middle.
It would have be nice  
Mark from Jersey : 11/24/2022 8:09 pm : link
to have a stud CB that can cover anyone man to man out there. Might have made this a different game.

Oh wait, we had one and put him in a position to get hurt on special teams.

Unbelievable.
Let me get this straight  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/24/2022 8:09 pm : link
the secondary loses 3/4 of its starters...and this was thin unit to begin with... and the defense isn't as good now?
RE: It would have be nice  
Blackmax00 : 11/24/2022 8:10 pm : link
In comment 15921099 Mark from Jersey said:
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to have a stud CB that can cover anyone man to man out there. Might have made this a different game.

Oh wait, we had one and put him in a position to get hurt on special teams.

Unbelievable.

Be nice to stop a tight end once and a while
They were on the field the whole game...  
GMen72 : 11/24/2022 8:10 pm : link
The offense couldn't stay on the field. The defense was the only reason this game was close?

This offense is a joke when we can't run the football and we have no 2 minute/hurry-up offense. End of the 1st half was a joke and running the ball down 15? WTF?
RE: Let me get this straight  
BigBlueJ : 11/24/2022 8:11 pm : link
In comment 15921103 Eric from BBI said:
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the secondary loses 3/4 of its starters...and this was thin unit to begin with... and the defense isn't as good now?


BBI post game at its best.
Gettleman left them  
Ned In Atlanta : 11/24/2022 8:11 pm : link
Nothing at ILB
One starting nfl corner. They had to cut the other one because of the cap
mess he left
No depth

This regime started with one hand tied behind their back and the injuries have only made it worse. And Gettlemans prized WR was invisible


What exactly do you expect ? They’re 7-4 which is nothing short of a miracle
Third down and TE catches  
Giantimistic : 11/24/2022 8:11 pm : link
Look different when we have our pro bowl level corner and safety playing.
RE: Let me get this straight  
DefenseWins : 11/24/2022 8:13 pm : link
In comment 15921103 Eric from BBI said:
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the secondary loses 3/4 of its starters...and this was thin unit to begin with... and the defense isn't as good now?


Eric, I did say we have a lot of injuries. If we have injuries in the back end, then we need to give them more help.

Blitzing as often as we do can help and hurt at the same time. If you get to the QB, you help the secondary. When you dont get to the QB, you just exposed the secondary. That is what we have been seeing.
Practice Squad CBs  
GruningsOnTheHill : 11/24/2022 8:15 pm : link
will do that to a defense.

They had to cut their #1 CB because of the financial mess left by the last regime. Their #2 CB got injured returning punts. Fabian Moreau had looked great but now he's out too. There's only so much they can do when they don't have the horses.

All teams have injuries at this point in the season but the Giants have been particularly snakebitten. Even with all the starters they had out, it was a 1-score game. They're on the right path.

The only thing I'm worried about is that Wink & Kafka will get poached in the offseason.
The D played damn well  
AG5686 : 11/24/2022 8:15 pm : link
In comment 15921103 Eric from BBI said:
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the secondary loses 3/4 of its starters...and this was thin unit to begin with... and the defense isn't as good now?

All things considered...
RE: Let me get this straight  
GruningsOnTheHill : 11/24/2022 8:17 pm : link
In comment 15921103 Eric from BBI said:
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the secondary loses 3/4 of its starters...and this was thin unit to begin with... and the defense isn't as good now?

+ infinity
I would say they are playing better  
larryflower37 : 11/24/2022 8:18 pm : link
Than the talent they have a available.
They battled all day today and forced 2 turnovers.
RE: RE: Let me get this straight  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/24/2022 8:24 pm : link
In comment 15921125 DefenseWins said:
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In comment 15921103 Eric from BBI said:


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the secondary loses 3/4 of its starters...and this was thin unit to begin with... and the defense isn't as good now?



Eric, I did say we have a lot of injuries. If we have injuries in the back end, then we need to give them more help.

Blitzing as often as we do can help and hurt at the same time. If you get to the QB, you help the secondary. When you dont get to the QB, you just exposed the secondary. That is what we have been seeing.


I don't think you get football.
RE: Let me get this straight  
Percy : 11/24/2022 8:30 pm : link
In comment 15921103 Eric from BBI said:
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the secondary loses 3/4 of its starters...and this was thin unit to begin with... and the defense isn't as good now?

You're right. Commenters to the contrary are missing an upper floor.
there were three turnovers in the first half  
gidiefor : Mod : 11/24/2022 8:31 pm : link
by this defense, even with their limitations
RE: Let me get this straight  
Daniel in MI : 11/24/2022 8:34 pm : link
In comment 15921103 Eric from BBI said:
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the secondary loses 3/4 of its starters...and this was thin unit to begin with... and the defense isn't as good now?


Alert the media! Put together a blue ribbon research panel!

“Team with worse players playing plays worse. A mystery for the ages.”
RE: Gettleman left them  
ZogZerg : 11/24/2022 8:35 pm : link
In comment 15921112 Ned In Atlanta said:
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Nothing at ILB
One starting nfl corner. They had to cut the other one because of the cap
mess he left
No depth

This regime started with one hand tied behind their back and the injuries have only made it worse. And Gettlemans prized WR was invisible


What exactly do you expect ? They’re 7-4 which is nothing short of a miracle


You can't blame DG for getting our star corner hurt when he shouldn't be returning punts and the star safety being stupid during the bye.
RE: They were on the field the whole game...  
joe48 : 11/24/2022 8:37 pm : link
In comment 15921110 GMen72 said:
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The offense couldn't stay on the field. The defense was the only reason this game was close?

This offense is a joke when we can't run the football and we have no 2 minute/hurry-up offense. End of the 1st half was a joke and running the ball down 15? WTF?

Son, you need a reset.
Wink  
noro9 : 11/24/2022 8:39 pm : link
Has done a amazing job with the players that he's had to work with. Better players, better result
Also, no Giants fan  
BlackLight : 11/24/2022 8:45 pm : link
can pretend they didn't know what they were getting with Wink Martindale. He's going to blitz the shit out the opposing team and play man, no matter what.

People who think he should change strategy based on our diminished talent are missing the point. When you have diminished talent, that's when you play defense the way Martindale is calling for it to be played. Effort and intensity as a substitute for talent.

RE: Also, no Giants fan  
Angel Eyes : 11/24/2022 8:55 pm : link
In comment 15921212 BlackLight said:
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can pretend they didn't know what they were getting with Wink Martindale. He's going to blitz the shit out the opposing team and play man, no matter what.

People who think he should change strategy based on our diminished talent are missing the point. When you have diminished talent, that's when you play defense the way Martindale is calling for it to be played. Effort and intensity as a substitute for talent.

I'll admit I didn't want Wink as our DC for a few reasons from serious to trivial. Didn't like playing out of a 3-4 base (trivial), the fact that his defenses didn't get a lot of sacks, his emphasis on cornerbacks since the Giants don't do well with drafting them (read: Apple and Baker), and apparently his solution to our linebacker coverage problem is to get linebackers that blitz, linebackers that don't get home, leading back to the lack of sacks.
Right now we have  
JerrysKids : 11/24/2022 9:03 pm : link
a taxi squad secondary in 3 of the 4 spots. They played there butts off against a very good team, I see a silver lining from this performance. We are getting better, I can't wait to see how we can do with a good draft and off season.
You think that  
PaulN : 11/24/2022 9:07 pm : link
Having our 3 best cornerbacks out has something to do with this? You think that having our top 2 free safeties out and then our third string free safety got hurt. You think that the defensive line I juries that have crippled our depth and rotation have hurt us. You think the fact that we do not have a single good inside linebacker on our team has had an affect? Can you just try to be serials. Otherwise injuries are just excuse, right? Unfucking believeable.
I guess your right afterall  
PaulN : 11/24/2022 9:09 pm : link
Our defense is not very good with its current makeup. Maybe you can be lje your buddy and blame the coaching. That makes great sense.
So don’t blitz and let your  
Dave on the UWS : 11/24/2022 9:19 pm : link
3rd string secondary (that can’t cover) play coverage? Great concept! I’ll send
It right over to Wink!
RE: Practice Squad CBs  
NJ-GMenFan : 11/24/2022 9:32 pm : link
In comment 15921131 GruningsOnTheHill said:
[quote] will do that to a defense.

They had to cut their #1 CB because of the financial mess left by the last regime. Their #2 CB got injured returning punts. Fabian Moreau had looked great but now he's out too. There's only so much they can do when they don't have the horses.

All teams have injuries at this point in the season but the Giants have been particularly snakebitten. Even with all the starters they had out, it was a 1-score game. They're on the right path.

The only thing I'm worried about is that Wink & Kafka will get poached in the offseason. [/quote}

Kafka? He’s HORRIBLE
The issue is  
Breeze_94 : 11/24/2022 11:07 pm : link
They are missing their top 3 CB’s and McKinney. And outside of KT, no real outside rush threat. Ximines and Ward have been okay but they are role players- not every down players.

Force role players into a larger sample size and you’ll see they aren’t as effective. That can be said for the majority of this Giants team today.
Defense is the only thing keeping this team in every game  
sharp315 : 11/24/2022 11:11 pm : link
Offense can barely get a 1st down. This offense is completely anemic and actually worse than the 2 Garrett years. Anyone who says otherwise is not watching or doesn't understand football. It's very simple.
Ten years of mismanagement created the talent gap  
kelly : 11/25/2022 6:30 am : link
Between NY and Dallas.

Did people really think it was going to be fixed this year?

RE: Wink  
Mayo2JZ : 11/25/2022 6:52 am : link
In comment 15921196 noro9 said:
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Has done a amazing job with the players that he's had to work with. Better players, better result


BINGO!!
RE: Ten years of mismanagement created the talent gap  
Mayo2JZ : 11/25/2022 6:59 am : link
In comment 15921601 kelly said:
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Between NY and Dallas.

Did people really think it was going to be fixed this year?


Brother you are spot on! Every year I watch other teams and wonder why they are so talented at almost every position. Especially Dallas and their offensive line. They draft well and put a priority on their lines. I think we're finally on the right track with JS and he will build a competitive team
It is very depleted  
Lines of Scrimmage : 11/25/2022 7:02 am : link
The run defense has been up and down all year. You have Lawrence and Williams playing a heavy volume of plays all year as they have had injuries to depth. They are weak at ILB and still need more on the DL. Then all the secondary injuries.

Two big things the D could count on was red zone D and 3rd down D which has kept points allowed down. Today they give up a 3rd and 15 for a touchdown which highlights both things they have been good at failing. Last week they gave up a big 3rd and 12 with Detroit backed up in its own territory that went on for a touchdown.

These Thursday games are tough. Even more so for the away team. As the game goes on rushers seem to really struggle getting home. I have noticed this in a lot of Thursday games.
Well all the losing certainly didn't make us wiser  
j_rud : 11/25/2022 7:10 am : link
All week you read that we were gonna lose by 60. Too many injuries. Short week. Then, when they somehow make a game of it but that comedically depleted defense breaks and falls people want to criticize the coaching.

The coaching was the only reason it was a contest to begin with.
RE: Let me get this straight  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/25/2022 8:00 am : link
In comment 15921103 Eric from BBI said:
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the secondary loses 3/4 of its starters...and this was thin unit to begin with... and the defense isn't as good now?


God, I hate BBI when we lose.
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