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NFT: FIFA World Cup, Friday Nov. 25

bluefin : 11/25/2022 6:48 am
5:00 AM, Group B - Wales vs Iran

8:00, Group A - Qatar vs Senegal

11:00, Group A - Netherlands vs Ecuador

2:00, Group B - England vs USA
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Substitutions  
Jeffrey : 11/25/2022 3:02 pm : link
What does Berhalter do now since the outcome of this game has no baering on the US chances for going through? I would find a way to get Reyna minutes, perhaps replacing Wright or Weah. Consider getting Dest out of there as his offensive potential is rivaled by his defensive lapses. Might also consider sitting McKennie who has been great but coming off an injury. Insert Aaronson. I want to play England tough but not at the rucks of being unfit for Iran.
RE: Substitutions  
LittleBlue : 11/25/2022 3:08 pm : link
In comment 15922245 Jeffrey said:
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What does Berhalter do now since the outcome of this game has no baering on the US chances for going through? I would find a way to get Reyna minutes, perhaps replacing Wright or Weah. Consider getting Dest out of there as his offensive potential is rivaled by his defensive lapses. Might also consider sitting McKennie who has been great but coming off an injury. Insert Aaronson. I want to play England tough but not at the rucks of being unfit for Iran.


There’s enormous implications. A win here means a tie is all that is needed against Iran. A loss rather than a tie means we have to care about Wales v England.
CLEAR FOUL by Shaw and  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 11/25/2022 3:11 pm : link
should be yellow.
I  
AcidTest : 11/25/2022 3:11 pm : link
never thought I'd say this, but the referee should get more involved. That foul on Weah should have been a yellow, along with a few others in the first half.
Another corner  
Optimus-NY : 11/25/2022 3:18 pm : link
I like what I'm seeing from our guys.
Not loving the idea of a fresh Grealish  
JoeMoney19 : 11/25/2022 3:30 pm : link
Especially against Dest. He and McKennie need to be subbed.
These subs are coming when????  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 11/25/2022 3:31 pm : link
..
RE: Not loving the idea of a fresh Grealish  
bluefin : 11/25/2022 3:35 pm : link
In comment 15922267 JoeMoney19 said:
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Especially against Dest. He and McKennie need to be subbed.

you’re on the money
Wheres gio  
armstead98 : 11/25/2022 3:36 pm : link
He must be injured
RE: Not loving the idea of a fresh Grealish  
AcidTest : 11/25/2022 3:37 pm : link
In comment 15922267 JoeMoney19 said:
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Especially against Dest. He and McKennie need to be subbed.


Good call.
RE: Wheres gio  
AcidTest : 11/25/2022 3:39 pm : link
In comment 15922276 armstead98 said:
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He must be injured


Here he comes.
Alright Reyna  
JoeMoney19 : 11/25/2022 3:41 pm : link
Let's go.
This ref is infinitely better than  
UConn4523 : 11/25/2022 3:41 pm : link
the ref against Wales
Shaq Moore is not it  
JoeMoney19 : 11/25/2022 3:45 pm : link
Should have been Yedlin to come in.
RE: This ref is infinitely better than  
Optimus-NY : 11/25/2022 3:45 pm : link
In comment 15922284 UConn4523 said:
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the ref against Wales


Agreed


Venezuelan Jesús Valenzuela is the ref today. - ( New Window )
RE: RE: This ref is infinitely better than  
bluefin : 11/25/2022 3:46 pm : link
In comment 15922290 Optimus-NY said:
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In comment 15922284 UConn4523 said:


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the ref against Wales



Agreed
Venezuelan Jesús Valenzuela is the ref today. - ( New Window )

He ought to moonlight with the NFL
Too  
AcidTest : 11/25/2022 3:46 pm : link
many passes. Shoot.
That  
AcidTest : 11/25/2022 3:50 pm : link
was a terrible give away by Zimmerman. He also committed the foul that produced the PK against Wales.
Feels like this ref  
JoeMoney19 : 11/25/2022 3:51 pm : link
Actually forgot to bring his cards with him.
Great  
AcidTest : 11/25/2022 3:53 pm : link
game. A tie against England is fine. I agree with the announcers that the last free kick should have gone into the box.
Groups A and B feel different  
bluefin : 11/25/2022 3:53 pm : link
USA and Ecuador ascending
Encouraging game  
JoeMoney19 : 11/25/2022 3:53 pm : link
Really disappointing final play.
Very Solid Game  
Jeffrey : 11/25/2022 3:56 pm : link
For the US. Hard to find fault with the effort but the reality is that the US still has some serious deficiencies which will have to be corrected going forward. Primarily the right side of the US defense remains a major weakness. Whenever Zimmerman and Dest are on the ball you have to hold your breath. Stark contrast to the other side with Robinson and Ream. Solid goalie play.
RE: That  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 11/25/2022 3:58 pm : link
In comment 15922297 AcidTest said:
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was a terrible give away by Zimmerman. He also committed the foul that produced the PK against Wales.


Musah foul late, however soft, was also dumb.

Berhalter has to be WAY more aggressive with his subs because the US are basically a speed and effort group. Once that wanes in the second half, the chances start drying up.

If you can’t beat Iran, then you don’t deserve to advance. Get it done.
Iran  
GruningsOnTheHill : 11/25/2022 3:59 pm : link
are they about the same opponent as Wales, quality-wise?
English media and fans were talking shit before the game.  
Optimus-NY : 11/25/2022 3:59 pm : link
Not only were they convinced they would win, to them it was just a matter of how much. U.S. midfield was excellent today. I like our chances against Iran four days from now on Tuesday.
...  
ColHowPepper : 11/25/2022 4:01 pm : link
Musah, what an idiotic and unnecessary push to give ENG a dangerous FK in stoppage time, could have overturned the result.

1st half, I didn't see ENG MF outplaying USA at all; other than maybe minutes 7 - 12, I thought US midfielders had far the better of the play

And I still disagree with the notion the idea USA went into a shell in 2H vs Wales; minutes 45 - 70, thought it was much in line with 1H; they began to wear down, Wales remained patient.

What did happen in 2H vs Wales, as again today, USA creates some runs, finding seams vs back line and get it in deep, but make either blind passes back into the area right to defenders, as if passes back into the area are automatically threatening. The MFs or backs getting to the 18 are not doing a good enough job getting to space and the possession is wasted with a mis-timed, mis-aimed delivery.
RE: Very Solid Game  
Del Shofner : 11/25/2022 4:01 pm : link
In comment 15922302 Jeffrey said:
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For the US. Hard to find fault with the effort but the reality is that the US still has some serious deficiencies which will have to be corrected going forward. Primarily the right side of the US defense remains a major weakness. Whenever Zimmerman and Dest are on the ball you have to hold your breath. Stark contrast to the other side with Robinson and Ream. Solid goalie play.


This. Very solid game, but Dest especially makes me hold my. breath. That said, congrats to the team for a well-played game that shut up the English sports pundits who predicted a blowout for England.
US soccer may not be elite yet  
Producer : 11/25/2022 4:07 pm : link
but you can see the path forward.

Great game.
I know nothing about soccer  
GiantGrit : 11/25/2022 4:10 pm : link
But the Shaq Moore sub seemed like a poor decision, they ended up moving the ball down that wing (if thats what it is called) and I think Yedlin would have done more there.

USA looked like they belonged which is refreshing.
Dest could be pretty useful against Iran  
Jerry in_DC : 11/25/2022 4:12 pm : link
Iran probably advances with a draw, so I'd expect them to e sitting deep. Dest's dribbling could help break things down.

Real good game for the US. We were on even footing with one of the best teams in the world. This was not a hold on and pray for a draw - it was a true back and forth game.

Ultimately we were always going to have to get a win against Wales and/or Iran. That's still the case. Destiny is in our hands. Beat Iran.
Yeah Shaq  
Jerry in_DC : 11/25/2022 4:14 pm : link
Isn't likely to see the field again in Qatar. He was rough.
We control our own destiny  
George : 11/25/2022 4:19 pm : link
I like that.
RE: Iran  
Optimus-NY : 11/25/2022 4:25 pm : link
In comment 15922304 GruningsOnTheHill said:
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are they about the same opponent as Wales, quality-wise?


We're ranked 16th, Iran's ranked 20th, Wales is ranked 19th (England is ranked 5th), so they're similar. Gareth Bale, of course, is the man.


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The game turned in the Us favor when they changed tow 4-4-2 formation  
Rick in Dallas : 11/25/2022 5:00 pm : link
In the first half.
Turner,Ream, Robinson,Pulisic, Adams, Dest, Musah and McKinnie really played good games.Weah didn’t have the same impact in this game
USMNT lacks a WC striker unfortunately
RE: The game turned in the Us favor when they changed tow 4-4-2 formation  
Optimus-NY : 11/25/2022 5:19 pm : link
In comment 15922351 Rick in Dallas said:
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In the first half.
Turner,Ream, Robinson,Pulisic, Adams, Dest, Musah and McKinnie really played good games.Weah didn’t have the same impact in this game
USMNT lacks a WC striker unfortunately


Our BIGGEST need, by far.
God this just screams when Italy played well, but couldn’t finish  
Returning Video Tapes : 11/25/2022 5:28 pm : link
and didn’t make it out of group because of not scoring and 3 draws.

Need to figure out how to finish fast. That being said I’m pretty damn encouraged by what this group can accomplish with a WC on home turf. Very poised today.
The  
AcidTest : 11/25/2022 5:43 pm : link
English fans threw pints in anger after the 0-0 draw.

Link - ( New Window )
RE: The  
Del Shofner : 11/25/2022 5:48 pm : link
In comment 15922374 AcidTest said:
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English fans threw pints in anger after the 0-0 draw. Link - ( New Window )


Haha. I'm reading the various papers in England. The London Times condemns the English team, whereas the Yorkshire Post (which covers Leeds) are all about how Tyler Adams was man of the match.
I don't know, England  
ColHowPepper : 11/25/2022 6:36 pm : link
It had little to gain going balls to the wall and a lot to lose by allowing a counter and a score. It was in the cat bird's seat and didn't need to extend. Don't read this wrong: USMNT played well, gave a good account of itself, but I'm not reading into this result any sea change, yet ⁶
One more observation  
Rick in Dallas : 11/25/2022 6:48 pm : link
Our midfield totally outplayed England’s midfield. A big surprise.
Iran Needs Only A Tie  
Jeffrey : 11/25/2022 8:48 pm : link
The real challenge for the USMNT is that Iran does not need a result in the game on Tuesday and will advance with a tie. This is a particular challenge because the US struggles to score and lacks the finisher up top to help break down a defense that is packing it in. I can see Berhalter waiting a half and then subbing in attackers. Would like to see Reyna in from the outset. May have to pull wright or sergeant. Agree with those who think that Dest could help in the attack but every time he goes forward he leaves himself vulnerable to the counter.
RE: Iran Needs Only A Tie  
Del Shofner : 11/25/2022 9:03 pm : link
In comment 15922526 Jeffrey said:
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The real challenge for the USMNT is that Iran does not need a result in the game on Tuesday and will advance with a tie. This is a particular challenge because the US struggles to score and lacks the finisher up top to help break down a defense that is packing it in. I can see Berhalter waiting a half and then subbing in attackers. Would like to see Reyna in from the outset. May have to pull wright or sergeant. Agree with those who think that Dest could help in the attack but every time he goes forward he leaves himself vulnerable to the counter.


Yup, this is the problem - Iran only needs a tie.

But if we score first, their gameplan may go out the window.

We need a goal, and to score first.
The Saudi government gave each Saudi player a Rolls Royce  
PatersonPlank : 11/25/2022 9:08 pm : link
for beating Argentina. They also made the day after a National Holiday. Biggest win ever in Saudi history.
RE: One more observation  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 11/25/2022 9:26 pm : link
In comment 15922407 Rick in Dallas said:
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Our midfield totally outplayed England’s midfield. A big surprise.


Never got the Mason Mount love, and Southgate is not a good tactician. Another game the US could have won with a decent striker and a better RB.
RE: RE: One more observation  
PatersonPlank : 11/25/2022 10:05 pm : link
In comment 15922547 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said:
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In comment 15922407 Rick in Dallas said:


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Our midfield totally outplayed England’s midfield. A big surprise.



Never got the Mason Mount love, and Southgate is not a good tactician. Another game the US could have won with a decent striker and a better RB.


English press and fans are killing Southgate over todays match. Saying he plays it too safe to get through, rather than just turn them lose and play to Englands strengths. Also pissed over his player selection, especially Mount over Foden.
Am I the only one not impressed with the UK side?  
cosmicj : 11/26/2022 5:26 am : link
I’ve always thought Sterling was a media creation - all sizzle - and Kane was invisible for much of the game due to poor midfielding.

The contrast with the talent the Brazilian, Spanish, Argentinian and French squads are fielding is a mike wide.

It was the first time I’d seen either the US or UK squads play. I’m a pretty serious soccer fan and, to my fan eyes, the US team was clearly the superior squad and actually should have won. In any case, the passing skill and speed the US team was showing was on another level compared to the clumsiness and physicality of the teams a decade ago. Our soccer culture is really making progress.
RE: Iran Needs Only A Tie  
shyster : 11/26/2022 6:53 am : link
In comment 15922526 Jeffrey said:
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The real challenge for the USMNT is that Iran does not need a result in the game on Tuesday and will advance with a tie.


Not if Wales wins.
RE: Am I the only one not impressed with the UK side?  
NYGgolfer : 11/26/2022 7:53 am : link
In comment 15922675 cosmicj said:
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I’ve always thought Sterling was a media creation - all sizzle - and Kane was invisible for much of the game due to poor midfielding.

The contrast with the talent the Brazilian, Spanish, Argentinian and French squads are fielding is a mike wide.

It was the first time I’d seen either the US or UK squads play. I’m a pretty serious soccer fan and, to my fan eyes, the US team was clearly the superior squad and actually should have won. In any case, the passing skill and speed the US team was showing was on another level compared to the clumsiness and physicality of the teams a decade ago. Our soccer culture is really making progress.


That the matchup was fairly even. Give England Q1 and Q4 and the US squad was better during Q2 & Q3 (if broken in quarters).

Momentum at end with England though and wouldn't be surprised if they put in a goal if it went 5 minutes more. Did their subs give them more of a spark than the US substitutions?
One final final observation  
Rick in Dallas : 11/26/2022 8:00 am : link
Our conditioning was so much better yesterday than Monday.
Musah and Pulisic went the full game.
Once again Tyler Adams was the man of the match. The USMNT is challenged in finishing and scoring goals. It's a concern!!!
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