I agree a tie is better than a win but if Iran has 3 points a tie today gets us 2. A win vs Iran the last day is the only way to advance. Loss today doesn’t really change much unless I’m missing something.
A draw today would do wonders for the team's confidence and respect in the football world. Then, they need to beat Iran. They really need to move on to the knockout round to gain any respect.
A tie does nothing for us other then forces England to beat wales
for the United States. Draw would have been best but now we're win and in against Iran and won't need to worry about the Wales/England game (assuming we don't blow up our goal difference this afternoon or Wales beats England by multiple goals).
Also, a draw today doesn't do much for us as far as advancing. We'd still need to beat Iran. Presents an interesting dilemma for Berhalter. Do you set up more aggressively to try to get a win which would put us in a position to only need a draw against Iran to advance and even potentially win the group? Or do we want to sit deep and make sure, at worst, we don't concede much and hurt our goal differential heading into the last day.
Now if we beat Iran, we're in really good shape to go through. It's not a layup, not going to be easy. But that's not a terrible place to be - we control our destiny (mostly) against a team that's not that great.
Wasn’t even considering the possibility of resting players today. Not sure that’s the move but I think you have to strongly considering not starting the players on yellow. I believe that’d be Dest, Mckennie, and Ream. And maybe subbing Pulisic at some point in the second half
I'd imagine that it would be very difficult to do in real life. These guys get a very small # of WC games in their career. This game, although not that important, is extremely high profile. WC, England, holiday weekend. It's a dream game. Asking guys to sit would be very difficult
I take that back- sitting guys is. not the right move
We can win this game. Will we? Probably not. But if we do, it's great for us - both for the tournament and for the program. We have to try to win. We get 3 games. You have to try to win them.
There have been far bigger upsets than USA over England in sports. We have real players that are good. We should go out there and try to win.
And there's certainly value in allowing your best 11 to continue to build chemistry against a good team. England is not unbeatable either. Tough calls.
They didn't touch the ball in the 1st half against us and only scored on a penalty that was not a scoring chance. They did have a couple of chances in the 2nd half against us, but they mostly looked like a set piece team.
I did not watch the game this AM but losing to Iran is pretty bad.
But an abnormal number of Arab countries seem to be pulling upsets in Qatar no?
The Saudis are the only Arab team to win a game so far. Iran isn’t considered to be an Arab country, and even if you include them, their victory was mostly due to the Welsh playing a man down. Morocco and Tunisia have played well though.
But an abnormal number of Arab countries seem to be pulling upsets in Qatar no?
The Saudis are the only Arab team to win a game so far. Iran isn’t considered to be an Arab country, and even if you include them, their victory was mostly due to the Welsh playing a man down. Morocco and Tunisia have played well though.
Misworded that. Don’t watch much soccer so was just curious
The bad is that Iran is obviously better than we thought and just beat a team we tied by 2-0. Also England mopped the floor with Iran, so that doesn't bode well for today versus England
But an abnormal number of Arab countries seem to be pulling upsets in Qatar no?
The Saudis are the only Arab team to win a game so far. Iran isn’t considered to be an Arab country, and even if you include them, their victory was mostly due to the Welsh playing a man down. Morocco and Tunisia have played well though.
Misworded that. Don’t watch much soccer so was just curious
They’ve mostly played well, probably being elevated by “home” crowds
But an abnormal number of Arab countries seem to be pulling upsets in Qatar no?
The Saudis are the only Arab team to win a game so far. Iran isn’t considered to be an Arab country, and even if you include them, their victory was mostly due to the Welsh playing a man down. Morocco and Tunisia have played well though.
And Morocco and Tunisia aren't real Arab countries either. More like Berber countries who have Arabic speaker.
RE: So the good is the USA now needs to only win one
The bad is that Iran is obviously better than we thought and just beat a team we tied by 2-0. Also England mopped the floor with Iran, so that doesn't bode well for today versus England
Wales vs Iran was 0-0 until Wales’ keeper was red carded.
Considering how this is shaping up....do you just not play a lot of
The bad is that Iran is obviously better than we thought and just beat a team we tied by 2-0. Also England mopped the floor with Iran, so that doesn't bode well for today versus England
I don’t think FOX is right with that graphic.
If we somehow won today and lost vs. Iran, we would be out with an English win over Wales. Both England and Iran would have 6 points, while we would have only 4.
If we lose today and beat Iran, we almost certainly go through with 4 points unless Wales beat England by enough on GD to go over us.
Was that the first straight red of the tournament?
What prompted the ejection?
Goalie came out of the box to defend a great long ball that was going to lead to a breakaway, attacking player tapped ball past him and he demolished attacking player. It all happened fast and didn't seem intentional/late, but he caught none of the ball and he ruined the guy.
England is a star-studded team, but it's weakness is in the back. If the US sits back and plays "defense" as they did in the 2nd half of the Wales game, this will not end well. England has many finishers who are used to teams playing that way.
The risk of aggressive play is that there are several Americans on yellow cards and no matter the outcome today these kids are needed against Iran. McKennie, Dest and Ream in particular could be susceptible to another yellow through over-aggressive play. For that reason even though it would not b great, I could understand Berhalter pulling all of the front line players with yellows if the US falls behind by 2 goals.
England is a star-studded team, but it's weakness is in the back. If the US sits back and plays "defense" as they did in the 2nd half of the Wales game, this will not end well. England has many finishers who are used to teams playing that way.
The risk of aggressive play is that there are several Americans on yellow cards and no matter the outcome today these kids are needed against Iran. McKennie, Dest and Ream in particular could be susceptible to another yellow through over-aggressive play. For that reason even though it would not b great, I could understand Berhalter pulling all of the front line players with yellows if the US falls behind by 2 goals.
yeah, the "aggressive" part of their game should mean a higher-variance style of play, but they need to be very smart on their challenges.
Was that the first straight red of the tournament?
What prompted the ejection?
Goalie came out of the box to defend a great long ball that was going to lead to a breakaway, attacking player tapped ball past him and he demolished attacking player. It all happened fast and didn't seem intentional/late, but he caught none of the ball and he ruined the guy.
See what happens later. Need to at least have a draw with England and then beat Iran.
of course a win is ideal, but USA would be glad to least salvage a point vs a monster club like England
that second goal at 90+11 was a potential tiebreaker
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Maybe it’s early and my brain isn’t functioning but why would we need a draw today?
of course a win is ideal, but USA would be glad to least salvage a point vs a monster club like England
We need go for it. Fuck it
Also, a draw today doesn't do much for us as far as advancing. We'd still need to beat Iran. Presents an interesting dilemma for Berhalter. Do you set up more aggressively to try to get a win which would put us in a position to only need a draw against Iran to advance and even potentially win the group? Or do we want to sit deep and make sure, at worst, we don't concede much and hurt our goal differential heading into the last day.
Today's game is kind of just a bonus.
We can't finish level with Iran no matter what. So no need to worry about their goal difference.
There have been far bigger upsets than USA over England in sports. We have real players that are good. We should go out there and try to win.
I agree - didn't Berhalter said they would not sit back, but would be aggressive. I did not see the Wales game - was on the road.
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Goal that Iran got handed by the referee late in the England game doesn’t end up being a factor.
We can't finish level with Iran no matter what. So no need to worry about their goal difference.
Lol good point I’m dumb.
I did not watch the game this AM but losing to Iran is pretty bad.
No. And Iran isn't an Arab country.
The Saudis are the only Arab team to win a game so far. Iran isn’t considered to be an Arab country, and even if you include them, their victory was mostly due to the Welsh playing a man down. Morocco and Tunisia have played well though.
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But an abnormal number of Arab countries seem to be pulling upsets in Qatar no?
The Saudis are the only Arab team to win a game so far. Iran isn’t considered to be an Arab country, and even if you include them, their victory was mostly due to the Welsh playing a man down. Morocco and Tunisia have played well though.
Misworded that. Don’t watch much soccer so was just curious
Stop the overlaps, clog midfield and you can beat England without Kane. Old-school blood and guts United States game. Let's go.
Stout would be great too, but most of the bars around there will be good
The bad is that Iran is obviously better than we thought and just beat a team we tied by 2-0. Also England mopped the floor with Iran, so that doesn't bode well for today versus England
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But an abnormal number of Arab countries seem to be pulling upsets in Qatar no?
The Saudis are the only Arab team to win a game so far. Iran isn’t considered to be an Arab country, and even if you include them, their victory was mostly due to the Welsh playing a man down. Morocco and Tunisia have played well though.
Misworded that. Don’t watch much soccer so was just curious
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But an abnormal number of Arab countries seem to be pulling upsets in Qatar no?
The Saudis are the only Arab team to win a game so far. Iran isn’t considered to be an Arab country, and even if you include them, their victory was mostly due to the Welsh playing a man down. Morocco and Tunisia have played well though.
And Morocco and Tunisia aren't real Arab countries either. More like Berber countries who have Arabic speaker.
The bad is that Iran is obviously better than we thought and just beat a team we tied by 2-0. Also England mopped the floor with Iran, so that doesn't bode well for today versus England
Wales vs Iran was 0-0 until Wales’ keeper was red carded.
Unless we win today, Iran is win or go home.
The bad is that Iran is obviously better than we thought and just beat a team we tied by 2-0. Also England mopped the floor with Iran, so that doesn't bode well for today versus England
I don’t think FOX is right with that graphic.
If we somehow won today and lost vs. Iran, we would be out with an English win over Wales. Both England and Iran would have 6 points, while we would have only 4.
If we lose today and beat Iran, we almost certainly go through with 4 points unless Wales beat England by enough on GD to go over us.
What prompted the ejection?
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What prompted the ejection?
Goalie came out of the box to defend a great long ball that was going to lead to a breakaway, attacking player tapped ball past him and he demolished attacking player. It all happened fast and didn't seem intentional/late, but he caught none of the ball and he ruined the guy.
Honestly
The risk of aggressive play is that there are several Americans on yellow cards and no matter the outcome today these kids are needed against Iran. McKennie, Dest and Ream in particular could be susceptible to another yellow through over-aggressive play. For that reason even though it would not b great, I could understand Berhalter pulling all of the front line players with yellows if the US falls behind by 2 goals.
The risk of aggressive play is that there are several Americans on yellow cards and no matter the outcome today these kids are needed against Iran. McKennie, Dest and Ream in particular could be susceptible to another yellow through over-aggressive play. For that reason even though it would not b great, I could understand Berhalter pulling all of the front line players with yellows if the US falls behind by 2 goals.
yeah, the "aggressive" part of their game should mean a higher-variance style of play, but they need to be very smart on their challenges.
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was deserved. It was a late challenge outside of the box .
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Thanks for the link!
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Was that the first straight red of the tournament?
What prompted the ejection?
Goalie came out of the box to defend a great long ball that was going to lead to a breakaway, attacking player tapped ball past him and he demolished attacking player. It all happened fast and didn't seem intentional/late, but he caught none of the ball and he ruined the guy.
Honestly
Yes ugly challenge indeed.