The Giants Remind Me of a Rocket Ship

in personnel in the NFL to have a long term rebuild. If they are looking at 2 or 3 years down the line, how many of players drafted last and this year will still be on the team and not out of the league or diminished by injuries?

The injuries, as mentioned, are as well. With the salary cap situation looking more promising we can at least hope this brings us some decent players to bolster the roster. But the big questions surrounding the QB is still out there. If it’s not Jones then we have multiple years to wait to acquire a QB and get him ready. If it is it could be a shorter turnaround but there are still many questions to be answered. And what’s success. Super Bowl? Competitive playoff level team? I’ve got no answers.

Daniel Jones & Saquon Barkley are pending free agents. I don’t really think it’s a “rebuild” as much as aligning a strong roster with a rookie QB window, something the Eagles do brilliantly.

So, if you think the Giants are years away from competing, then you’d be a fool to resign Jones & Barkley. Rebuild and 2nd contracts for QB & RB don’t mix. If you think the Giants are ready to compete for a Super Bowl in the next 2 seasons, then you probably resign both Jones & Barkley.

The Giants horribly mismanaged the roster around Jones rookie contract.

There is a very good chance the Giants make the playoffs. BBI is very emotional, but all these fans losing it now are the same fans who thought they’d get smoked yesterday. So, with reinforcements coming back, I still think 9-8 or 10-7 is possible. A playoff spot is still very possible. Up 13-7 at the half against a very talented Dallas team. Phantom hold call extended the Cowboys TD drive and both Jones & Barkley botched the 4th & 1.

I think Schoen will try to find his own QB and link the Super Bowl window with his rookie contract. I’d expect a step back next year like Buffalo did in 2017-18. This season is so similar to the 2017 Bills. Look what they did for answers.

who on BBI can legitimately look at the roster and see where they need the most help and where they can spend resources for the biggest bang for the buck?

Obviously places like WR and ILB are the top of list. After that likely CB and TE.

While the Oline has issues, I do not think it is that far away. They are pretty set at OT. I think Gates is the answer at C. I think Ezeudu can be the LG. They need RG, but is that McKethan(?). They seem to have at least "decent" backups.

DLine is in need of two decent/quality backups for rotation with LW and DL. Not sure the DLine is the biggest problem in the run, just a part of it - but ILB certainly is. I think that is where the gashes come from.

I suppose ER may need an infusion too. I believe Sy likes the potential of Tomon Fox. I think Ximines is a decent/good rotational player. Ojulari's lost year really hurt - so just what is he - starter or backup?

QB - as much as I like DJ, I see guys like Mac Jones and Kirk Cousins making difficult throws. Who the heck knows what Daboll and Schoen think of him? As much as I like him, I just cannot see $30+ mill for him. He is so doggone inconsistent. But I definitely see Tyrod Taylor as a downgrade should they walk away from Jones. Hate to say it, but perhaps Garoppolo is a target if SF decides not to re-sign him - never thought I would say that. But if he takes SF deep into the playoffs he will command major $$$$.

This year is clearing out cap space & attempting to field a decent team. They had nearly nothing to spend in FA.

I don’t think they are running the offense they want at all.

Big changes next year with another draft and $$ to spend.

Honestly they got lucky with some better play from Jones and Barkley and an easier schedule to start the year.

Injuries with no depth, some players regressing, and the schedule toughening all are adding up right now.

The difference in talent between the Giants and the teams we play to end the years is staggering. It’s going to take another cycle or 2 of drafts/FA to fix.

is. Agree that the line of scrimmage still is a issue but I do think they are much closer here than maybe some think. This is really the root cause of the struggles the past decade imv.

Also agree about that value of the rookie QB contract. The issue is does the draft provide a suitable QB and will they be in position or can they get into position to get one they like? That is a big dilemma and why the evaluation of Jones is critical. He may be the best option. Or not.

I don't believe you can just say "well, they will get one in 2023/24". The majority of teams would probably like a better QB but it just does not work this way. You need a little good fortune imv.

The lines. We have 2 stud DTs and a rookie 1st pick at DE. Another high pick who can’t stay healthy. We have good (it seems) OTs. We need to solidify the middle of the OL. Maybe Gates does that. Now find Gs and more pass rushers.

We need better LBs and depth at CB. We desperately need WRs that can win consistently and apparently are made of concrete and steel.

1) There are at least 2 issues here. You can’t blame the trainers or medical staff for the injuries that occur. Maybe that’s the turf but other teams play on the same turf and don’t have the issues. It doesn’t happen to the Jets and it doesn’t happen to other teams with the same frequency or that it is a yearly problem. The ability of the trainers and medical staff to properly diagnose and treat injuries is another problem. Changes need to be made there. I don’t know if Barnes is the problem or if the problem is more about identifying and retaining capable staff, but I think I would put Barnes on emeritus status (if he isn’t already) and move forward.
2) All positions can be reasonably evaluated except QB and RB, the 2 positions most important in the upcoming offseason. You have to go back to the criterion about whether the player makes the team better.
3) It would be great to be able to match up to Dallas, but Dallas has been able to develop the team, especially the lines, over 6-7 years. Because of continuity in the front office and team building philosophy, they have been able to add players and replace players as needed so they have rarely been caught with gaping holes. Giants can’t get there until they can stabilize the cap and be in a position to draft BPA rather than need. Messages on this board still focus on what the Giants “need” this offseason. Giants can’t get to Dallas’ level until they get away from “need” signings and drafting.
4) Giants can’t or shouldn’t be drafting skill position players over linemen and LBs (or vice versa) with premium picks. Again, it comes down to being able to draft BPA. Giants won’t again be a consistent playoff team until the team is deep enough and talented enough so the FO can stop sticking fingers in the dike. This problem goes back to the second half of Reese’s tenure after he could no longer rely on the starters and depth that Accorsi gave him.

Adding one more quality player to our two studs would make it a formidable unit with a quality rotation. Maybe round 2? Otherwise, I think WR early and often like we did with the OL last draft. Round 1, 3, 5? We can get a decent ILB and TE for a fair price in FA.

everyone here has made important points about this team and its future. A lot of interesting reading!

Happy Thanksgiving to all!

That strung together some close wins against bad teams.

Agree. It goes way back to the back half of Eli's career. That is why I called 2012-17 the great destruction. They never replaced the good OL/DL's they had the first half. It destroyed the franchise and then Dave did not do enough to address it.

if the Giants keep losing the rest of the season, it sorta gives Joe Schoen/Brian Daboll extra permission to sweep most of the pieces off the chess board in order to re-set the game in which a new QB (on a first contract) is nurtured and raised along-side an almost completely new set of players.

In comment 15921858 M.S. said:

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if the Giants keep losing the rest of the season, it sorta gives Joe Schoen/Brian Daboll extra permission to sweep most of the pieces off the chess board in order to re-set the game in which a new QB (on a first contract) is nurtured and raised along-side an almost completely new set of players.

I don't doubt this but a lot of things have to break right to get that QB. If they utilize a similar type offense as they are this year with a little more pop in the pass game I think the QB pool opens up a bit. Interesting to see how this plays out.

Someone has to play the position and you have to win which complicates it. Some teams have been looking decades for the "right" QB yet still have had very good seasons.

In comment 15921877 Lines of Scrimmage said:

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In comment 15921858 M.S. said: Quote: if the Giants keep losing the rest of the season, it sorta gives Joe Schoen/Brian Daboll extra permission to sweep most of the pieces off the chess board in order to re-set the game in which a new QB (on a first contract) is nurtured and raised along-side an almost completely new set of players. I don't doubt this but a lot of things have to break right to get that QB. If they utilize a similar type offense as they are this year with a little more pop in the pass game I think the QB pool opens up a bit. Interesting to see how this plays out. Someone has to play the position and you have to win which complicates it. Some teams have been looking decades for the "right" QB yet still have had very good seasons.

Very true.

Very, very true!!!

How many years do people need to watch the nfl to finally realize that barring some minor exceptions there’s no magic formula in preventing or determining injury ????

We won a fucking super bowl or THREE WHILE suffering major injury issues that same year!!! What does that mean? It means that we’ll run teams suffer injuries too. It means that injuries are impossible to predict or prevent barring some exceptions and those exceptions won’t help you solve any stupid injury riddle.

It’s luck and timing. Fucking deal with it.

In comment 15922012 djm said:

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How many years do people need to watch the nfl to finally realize that barring some minor exceptions there’s no magic formula in preventing or determining injury ???? We won a fucking super bowl or THREE WHILE suffering major injury issues that same year!!! What does that mean? It means that we’ll run teams suffer injuries too. It means that injuries are impossible to predict or prevent barring some exceptions and those exceptions won’t help you solve any stupid injury riddle. It’s luck and timing. Fucking deal with it.

So, in other words, out of 32 annual "Injury Lotto Tickets," the Giants have won the prize practically year after year for a decade. That's some luck, indeed.