Is Saquon making business decisions ?

not if he wants to make a lot of money.

if he wants to get paid by someone, even if not the Giants. I’m sure he’s playing with a nagging injury and also behind a makeshift Oline.

Regardless of that, every team that has paid big $$ for a rb’s 2nd contact has regretted it. Rb is a commodity. Dime a dozen. Draft one in the mid/late rounds every year.

Mara loves him though… and making business decisions based on love is bad business.

Again all of this is pure conjecture,but look back at the timeline.
Mid season negotiations break apart,Houston game the Giants run the stuffing out of him,he hasn't looked the same since.
I do not think it's coincedence...

"Business decisions" and was that type of player we would you try and resign him during the bye week?
He had a tough game against a top 3 defense in the NFL that was geared up to stop him first and foremost did he make some mistakes yes was it his best game no.
Can we stop with the conspiracy bullshit all the time when a player has a bad game.
Btw he was not the game plan today they knew the Cowboys were keying on him the whole game that's why the first 2 trick plays to brightwell worked so well.
The whole defense keyed on 26 on the sweep.

is expected to run for 150+ yards and a TD every game? Otherwise the Giants will just lose and blame him? Does that sound fair to you?

I think he's injured/worn down.

When the offense has no threat of a downfield passing game. The other team gets paid to play too.

and he got blown up in the backfield more than once.

it is clear he doesnt have the same explosiveness.

Schoen has more leverage than he did during the bye.

every time he tries to run up the middle I'm reminded of Mark Sanchez's butt fumble?

In comment 15921980 ajr2456 said:

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When the offense has no threat of a downfield passing game. The other team gets paid to play too.

Also the blocking hasn't been very good for him since we've been playing the fill-in guys up front and at TE.

In comment 15921990 Beef Wellington said:

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every time he tries to run up the middle I'm reminded of Mark Sanchez's butt fumble?

Because the defense is pushing our OL backwards.

Of extra rest coming. I think he has a very big game against Washington.

without 3 OL, multiple WRs and a TE? Stopping Barkley = likely winning the game. There isn’t any more to it than that.

In comment 15921980 ajr2456 said:

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When the offense has no threat of a downfield passing game. The other team gets paid to play too.

Correct. Did you see the size of the hole Brightwell had when the used Barkley as a decoy? I could have gotten 5 yards, he went 15 yds before he was touched. This is because the whole defensive gameplan is to watch Barkley everywhere he goes and stop him. Add in that we lost our LG, RT, and TE, so our blocking has gone downhill, and there you go. Also I do believe he is still recovering from that shoulder issue vs Green Bay

you replaced the LG.C, and the RT and TE and you expect him and there is ZERO downfield threat to make safeties back off and stop stacking the box with 8. Cager is NOT a good blocker. The running game is REALLY missing Neal and Bellinger.

The entire defense is geared to stop Barkley.

Giants ran him into the ground during the first game after the bye. Defenses are now focusing on stopping Barkley and making Daniel Jones beat them with poor WR.

Pale in comparison to his pre acl days.

...show us examples (video) of what you think qualify as business decisions and how you came to the conclusion that his handlers have suggested that he do so, during a game, for maintenance purposes.

And use other options, till he recovers.

and then tends to run a little soft, then I buy it.

He's not making business decisions though.

At the end of the season, the numbers he puts up will be the true reflection of his game. Better than JAG, but not worth an extension, in our circumstance. A tag at most, for us at least. He was playing out of his mind for several weeks, after seemingly years of dormancy. This is what the inevitable 'coming back down to earth' looks like. We saw the bump as well after his rest in the bye week. It's becoming clearer at least that he's not a bell cow.

not putting 8 and 9 guys in the box. Teams are putting 8 or 9 guys in the box and the Giants insist on running up the middle with inadequate olinemen who get no push or can't open even a crease in the defense. When the Giants change their game philosophy and start throwing the ball to make those guys back up nothing is going to change.

Since reports surfaced that an extension was being explored by both sides, SB has not run with the same explosion we saw for most of the year.

Sure, he could be hurt, but he could also be playing more carefully to protect future earnings. It's not implausible.

And spare me any "Barkley is a good guy. He would never do that routine..." The NFL is a business and SB is a businessman. And he plays a position right now that has declining value in the NFL.

Or free agency is to dial it down for remainder of the season?

In comment 15922275 steve in ky said:

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Or free agency is to dial it down for remainder of the season?

SB doesn't have to dial it down completely for the rest of the season. But he could certainly pick his spots more carefully.

SB is an injury riddled, highly skilled player at a position with a very short shelf life. Candidly, it's not the worst strategy by Team SB...

Injured and body worn down a bit. Washington is must win but I'd consider a smaller pitch count to give his body 2.5 weeks to recover a bit.

We made a huge mistake not trading him.

He is a 230 pound back that runs like a 195 pound back….Saquon has never been a bruiser. He wants to avoid contact and make big plays. He does make big plays…super talented runner. Not a great pass catcher. Not great at taking what the defense gives him. Not worth a huge investment IMO, but I trust Schoen/Daboll. Sounds like they have assessed his value based on the bye week negotiations and it’s not McCaffrey type money.

Dude is hurt, his shoulder is impacting his running style so he looks soft since he is protecting himself. He was running it up there and laying the wood moreso than ever before the shoulder.

Working out exactly like Zeke Elliott. He will be hurt again and see his effectiveness slip year to year.

And Eliott was far more of a workhorse carry the load 30 carry a game back. Barkley needs a caddy. Should probably be splitting carries with Brieda more than they are doing.

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We made a huge mistake not trading him.

Abso-frigging-lutely. A few of us were sounding the alarms here, warning about missing the forest for the trees. Most here are still looking at Quon Quon through Getts' eyes. Stop it. We are still early in our rebuilding phase and he plays a position that's easily replaceable with one of the shortest life spans in the game.

I am sure Shoen did his due diligence, and perhaps he fielded a few offers. Perhaps it was never offered but Gabe Davis and a pick would have been a haul (Bills still need a ground game terribly, they may have bit on a sky-high Barkley at the time). Sadly, I knew it was very unlikely Shoen would have dealt Barkley though. The opinion at the time was like replacing Eli with Geno (both right - you deal Barkley at his high point and Eli should have been replaced years earlier).

Anyway, we still have time to make things right this offseason by not extending Barkley. The non-exclusive tag, at the very most, so we can still get the picks we missed out on at the deadline. I'm hoping Shoen does the right thing, but at this point, I am more confident in Daboll. Fingers crossed.

behind an OL of Thomas-Ezeudu-Gates-Glow-Neal.

He is injured and exhausted. He is not making any business decisions...

Pale in comparison to his pre acl days.

In comment 15922359 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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Working out exactly like Zeke Elliott. He will be hurt again and see his effectiveness slip year to year. And Eliott was far more of a workhorse carry the load 30 carry a game back. Barkley needs a caddy. Should probably be splitting carries with Brieda more than they are doing.

Agree with this. Barkley has been on pace for some of the highest per season rushing attempts in recent seasons. That’s an objective fact.

The Giants contractual plans need to tie to on field strategy. If Barkley is in their long term plans, Schoen and Daboll need to align on limiting his carries and shifting them to Breida, who is a good, capable player, and Brightwell. And making sure Barkley is supported by a talented cadre of backup RBs needs to be in the roster management strategy going forward.

Running Barkley like he has been so far this season isn’t sustainable. Forget the business decisions angle. That’s a distraction, not the central issue.

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He is injured and exhausted. He is not making any business decisions...

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