if he led SQ anymore he would have completely knocked it down. But 10 men on the field? 4th and ballgame 10 men? That needs to be addressed. Big fan but SQ should have caught it.
Yes, it would have been better if the ball was led to the other side hip, but that pass was still 100% catchable for a 1st down at least. Maybe if Saquon was being paid 10-12M per year you might then agree.
if he led SQ anymore he would have completely knocked it down. But 10 men on the field? 4th and ballgame 10 men? That needs to be addressed. Big fan but SQ should have caught it.
Don’t see that. Ball still in a perfect spiral. Could have kept Jones from leading Barkley more
agree with going for it at all. I know it should have been a big play, but I didnt think that was the time to be aggressive. We needed to get that game to the 4th quarter within a couple points and put all of the pressure on them. If you go for it there and dont get it the game is over. I would have tried to pin them deep
we've seen from Jones all too often. Saquan may have dropped a somewhat difficult pass, but even if he did catch it, it's a 1 or 2 yard gain instead of a huge gainer.
agree with going for it at all. I know it should have been a big play, but I didnt think that was the time to be aggressive. We needed to get that game to the 4th quarter within a couple points and put all of the pressure on them. If you go for it there and dont get it the game is over. I would have tried to pin them deep
I felt this way too. Seemed like desperation too soon in the game.
Why does every other team have players that are able to catch non-perfect throws but the Giants receivers are unable to?
The throw could have also been better but if Jones throws the pass to lead Barkley, the ball almost certainly gets batted down. But some people just can’t view the play in its entirety and prefer just to make comments like “Just an awful miss by Jones”.
we've seen from Jones all too often. Saquan may have dropped a somewhat difficult pass, but even if he did catch it, it's a 1 or 2 yard gain instead of a huge gainer.
That's all we needed at that moment...
Big moment in the game, pressure was on to convert and the
we've seen from Jones all too often. Saquan may have dropped a somewhat difficult pass, but even if he did catch it, it's a 1 or 2 yard gain instead of a huge gainer.
Ok but, your argument is a better pass would have been a touchdown and even if catches this pass it is just a first down... He fucking didn't catch it period! The first down is more important than woulda coulda argument. The TD argument only matters IF Barkley catches the ball for a first down. By not catching it at all the argument is 100% on what could have been if we got a first down there!
Funny how people see the play the way they wanted to see it...
It was a tipped pass, pass looked on target before Lawrence tipped it, Barkley had to try a miracle, it happens. Btw having 10 players on the field in that moment is inexcusable.
As he had nothing but green ahead because that lb is not going to catch him. objectively, By the time the ball was there Barkley was back pedaling and even fell on his back. Even if he somehow holds on he would have gone to the ground since he was reaching back Not his fault in any way shape or form. Jones had another second to lay it out there and instead he shortarmed it. A hurried, panicked throw in a critical game changing moment. Very disappointing because Jones works so hard for his team and few moments in each game are handed to you. These moments define a QB (like Eli) . Its Schoen’s call on our future QB but $30 million?
Funny how people see the play the way they wanted to see it...
It was a tipped pass, pass looked on target before Lawrence tipped it, Barkley had to try a miracle, it happens. Btw having 10 players on the field in that moment is inexcusable.
Nevermind my comment above, got trolled by this reddit post that a friend texted me... Lawrence is way off the ball, it wasn't tipped.
Still 10 players on the field is inexcusable, it was a terrible pass by DJ that killed any big gain chance but it was also bad adjustment by SB that should've converted the 4th.
Overall it was a game we needed 0 mistakes to win and we had a few, it happens.
And nobody is saying it shouldn’t have still been caught, but it was also a bad pass that needed to be better. Even if he caught it, they get the first down but no guarantee they score. If the pass was on target, it’s a big play maybe even a score.
This offense has limited chances to make big plays, and this one was a layup. Have to get it.
the more I re-watch it, the more I see that was catchable.
By the way there is no guarantee that SB takes that to the house if executed properly.
Just catch the damn ball and its a first down.
In a game where every Cowboy player was catching really poor throws from Dak...
There is no excuse for SB to drop that.
It would have been great catch by Saqoun. it was poor throw, and if it was a better throw, Barkley has a huge gain or possibly scores. Jones was off on those throws out in the flat all day yestrday.
Isn’t perfect but watching this game demonstrated a clear problem. The WR’s for Dak continuously made tough catches and ours did not. Slayton made a great catch but outside of that his War’s don’t make plays for him
the more I re-watch it, the more I see that was catchable.
By the way there is no guarantee that SB takes that to the house if executed properly.
Just catch the damn ball and its a first down.
In a game where every Cowboy player was catching really poor throws from Dak...
There is no excuse for SB to drop that.
It would have been great catch by Saqoun. it was poor throw, and if it was a better throw, Barkley has a huge gain or possibly scores. Jones was off on those throws out in the flat all day yestrday.
I don’t know how to post a photo here but I have a photo of the ball right on his right hip as he drops it….
I don’t know if you’ve played football at all, but you can’t expect every throw to be perfect, especially quick plays like that. As you can see #6 on Dallas had a free untouched shot to Jones on his blindside and hit him just after release. Plus the DE guy was enough in his passing lane that Jones had to be concerned. It was not as easy as you make it out to be. But again, he has to catch that ball.
I’m not sure why you find all fault with Jones and none with Saquon, but so be it…
Its been speculated Demarcus Lawrence got a tip on it....and the ball starting to wobble kinda shows that. If DJ puts that in "right spot" it gets batted down.
Now I remember trying to explain that on the failed 2 pt play against the Bucs a year or two back (and that one was much clear) but this is a good reason why I don't pay attention to people on QB play that they don't even understand how teams play on 4th and short and goalline situations. Demarcus Lawrence tip this? - ( New Window )
We know about the 10 men on the field but that play
was also rushed. For a second it looked like they might not get it off. That allowed the defender to perfectly time his blitz, which lead to the bad throw, which lead to the dropped pass.
The entire process failed there. Daboll/Kafka, Jones and Barkley all deserve some heat for that. I don't necessarily disagree with going for it there, but they couldn't afford to piss the chance away with mistakes and that's what they did all the way around.
I’m not sure why you find all fault with Jones and none with Saquon, but so be it…
We fault DJ because he threw a bad ball.
It's just cliche to say "if it hits you in the hands, you should catch it". That's what people on TV say.
Let's say me and you are standing 5 yards apart from each other and I throw a ball at you with all my force. It hits you in the hands but you don't catch it. I just can't say "bro, it hit you in the hands, catch it"
Cause you're gonna be like "dude, you threw it 100 miles an hour, what you expect"
The reality is we can't know what the true angle is unless we get
Its been speculated Demarcus Lawrence got a tip on it....and the ball starting to wobble kinda shows that. If DJ puts that in "right spot" it gets batted down.
Now I remember trying to explain that on the failed 2 pt play against the Bucs a year or two back (and that one was much clear) but this is a good reason why I don't pay attention to people on QB play that they don't even understand how teams play on 4th and short and goalline situations. Demarcus Lawrence tip this? - ( New Window )
Already been discussed in the thread. Other angle is absolutely clear that Lawrence could not have tipped.
the more I re-watch it, the more I see that was catchable.
By the way there is no guarantee that SB takes that to the house if executed properly.
Just catch the damn ball and its a first down.
In a game where every Cowboy player was catching really poor throws from Dak...
There is no excuse for SB to drop that.
It would have been great catch by Saqoun. it was poor throw, and if it was a better throw, Barkley has a huge gain or possibly scores. Jones was off on those throws out in the flat all day yestrday.
I don’t know how to post a photo here but I have a photo of the ball right on his right hip as he drops it….
I don’t know if you’ve played football at all, but you can’t expect every throw to be perfect, especially quick plays like that. As you can see #6 on Dallas had a free untouched shot to Jones on his blindside and hit him just after release. Plus the DE guy was enough in his passing lane that Jones had to be concerned. It was not as easy as you make it out to be. But again, he has to catch that ball.
I’m not sure why you find all fault with Jones and none with Saquon, but so be it…
Both players are at fault.
I also want to add - Barkley may be able to do a lot of damage in the receiving game but he has very average hands. He’s not an elite receiving back like Kamara, Swift, Ekeler etc. Hes had a lot of terrible drops like this and I kind of wish the coaches didn’t have so much faith in him.
People were saying all week to get Barkley involved in
the passing game. He can't catch and he was slipping even on his early runs in that game. Even if Jones throws a perfect pass, I have my doubts that Saquon catches it. He is close to the league lead in drops.
Easier said than done. I seen Payton Brees, and Brady miss on short passes.
Clock was ticking defense got a good jump, and Barkley could have caught it.
Another few wins will place in the position where drafting a QB next season could be a reach. Jones has handled the media well, I except him to be here next season if the deal is right. We have so many needs to fill on both sides of the ball.
Not certain if Barkley will be here if he wants top RB dollar either.
but the linked slow mo replay shows it clearly was. The trajectory of the throw shifted down towards Barkley’s feet, right after it passed Lawrence. Unfortunate!
Its been speculated Demarcus Lawrence got a tip on it....and the ball starting to wobble kinda shows that. If DJ puts that in "right spot" it gets batted down.
Now I remember trying to explain that on the failed 2 pt play against the Bucs a year or two back (and that one was much clear) but this is a good reason why I don't pay attention to people on QB play that they don't even understand how teams play on 4th and short and goalline situations. Demarcus Lawrence tip this? - ( New Window )
Wow, what's interesting to me about the video in that link is Daniel's eyes..I believe he was looking in the center of the field to create a throwing lane. He didn't look at Saquon until his arm was already forward and about to release the ball.
I'm in the camp of they both screwed up...but Saquon could've overcome it with a fairly routine catch.
I also want to add - Barkley may be able to do a lot of damage in the receiving game but he has very average hands. He’s not an elite receiving back like Kamara, Swift, Ekeler etc. Hes had a lot of terrible drops like this and I kind of wish the coaches didn’t have so much faith in him.
Barkley's hands receiving have always been a mixed bag, I'll never forget that day Eli would've been 18/18 vs SF I think if SB doesn't drop a ball in the 4th quarter.
An easy SB drop prevented Eli from having the only 100% passing game in the history of the league if I'm not mistaken.
But has anyone mentioned that this was the 3rd such pass by DJ of the night? The first one was to James in the flat earlier in the game and he badly missed him. Then he had the same pass to James in the flat and James had to make an amazing catch, twisting his body and still landing and lunging to get the first down. Then the 4th down pass to Barkley.
Now I believe on the two pass to James DJ had pressure coming at him. But if Barkley is expected to make a catch of a ball thrown behind him, shouldn’t DJ be expected to complete a 4 yard pass with or without pressure?
but the linked slow mo replay shows it clearly was. The trajectory of the throw shifted down towards Barkley’s feet, right after it passed Lawrence. Unfortunate!
The original play angle shows that Lawrence's hand was nowhere near the ball.
There is no alternate reality where Lawrence tipped the ball. And both angles, taken together, show Gallimore #96 didn't tip it either.
I have indexed to the play. Use the settings to slow it down if you really need to be convinced.
but when you are not productive in the passing game, as Daniel Jones is not a productive passer, then when you miss those big game changing throws, you rightfully catch more shit. If Jones threw 4 TDs, we wouldn't care.
The drop was worse than the throw. You have to catch that.
Daboll’s defense just got off the field from a long scoring drive I understand why he went for it. I probably would have punted but i’m guessing he felt his offense had to if not score drive the ball and use some clock.
This is true. But DJ seems to miss more than is acceptable. Every week it's a potentially game changing miss, or not seeing an open receiver. When DJ is automatic on making these plays, then he gets the occasional mulligan. Until then, he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt.
Coupled on that is every week it's a potentially game changing drop, or two, or three.
This is true. But DJ seems to miss more than is acceptable. Every week it's a potentially game changing miss, or not seeing an open receiver. When DJ is automatic on making these plays, then he gets the occasional mulligan. Until then, he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt.
Coupled on that is every week it's a potentially game changing drop, or two, or three.
He did throw a TD that was called back due to pure stupidity.
That’s what the Giants are. Jones will miss a throw that must be made, then half of his good throws are dropped or negated by some submoronic penalty.
Daniel Jones is 1-14 when he runs 3 or less times per game
If they got the TD or even the first down everyone would have said great job. The play call was sound but the execution sucked. We can't have it both ways
He had to throw it between defenders with their arms up
You can say it was a bad throw all you want but I disagree
This! It was not a “good” throw but to label that bad and say it’s jones fault is insane. He had to get it in between 2 defenders while being pressured and he didn’t want to float it over them and risk saquon being hit. He drilled it in and saquon didn’t catch the ball. It was not a hard catch by any means. Not difficult at all for a professional football player. Let’s get real. It hit him squarely in both hands. He dropped it. Simple as that. Idc if it could have gone the distance. We just needed a first down. Catch the ducking ball if you want to be the highest paid back. I know CMC easily catches that ball as does many backs including Brieda who has proven to have much better hands than saquon
I point the finger at both guys. Just plain terrible.
This is what we get from our two best offensive players??? and we wonder why we don't score points. Tired of excuses, tired of sorry, tires of its on me. Execute the damn play!
If I'm Dabol I'm pissed. Players off the street breaking their collective asses and these two guys can't execute a simple play. Hell I'm pissed can only imagine what Dabol thinks.
And I'm not starting Barkley next week after the way he has run the past two weeks. Soft as a pile of sh...t. Brightwell looked much better and in particular much tougher.
Put in Tyrod, at least I think he would have made that throw.
we need to rid ourselves of these two DG draft picks. Can you tell how disappointed I am.
What good is just struggling to get to the 50 yard line and require 4 downs -- which was stupid to go for it anyway.
Sooner or later we're going to have to address this lack of a passing game. It can't just be jumbo package run Barkley; fakr hand off to Barkley Jones run; and throw to Barkley in the flat. Just too 1 dimensional and barkley is not a "go to " guy when you need a pass play executed. At least he should not be.
RE: Daniel Jones is 1-14 when he runs 3 or less times per game
was also rushed. For a second it looked like they might not get it off. That allowed the defender to perfectly time his blitz, which lead to the bad throw, which lead to the dropped pass.
The entire process failed there. Daboll/Kafka, Jones and Barkley all deserve some heat for that. I don't necessarily disagree with going for it there, but they couldn't afford to piss the chance away with mistakes and that's what they did all the way around.
we've seen from Jones all too often. Saquan may have dropped a somewhat difficult pass, but even if he did catch it, it's a 1 or 2 yard gain instead of a huge gainer.
Ok but, your argument is a better pass would have been a touchdown and even if catches this pass it is just a first down... He fucking didn't catch it period! The first down is more important than woulda coulda argument. The TD argument only matters IF Barkley catches the ball for a first down. By not catching it at all the argument is 100% on what could have been if we got a first down there!
Just make a better pass. Then SB doesn't have to try to catch a ball a foot off the ground and to his right while he's falling to his left. Problem solved!
What's the excuse on the 3rd and 1 shitty pass. We know it couldn't have been DJs fault, right?
Jones left a lot completions on the field yesterday
It's happening more in recent weeks as the defenses are betterand more prepared to take away the run from him. Given how his play was trending, it was a risky go for it call. But, you must execute that play. Losing or winning is often a slim margin for error and they deflated after the blown play.
People are quick to shout about "5 game winning drives" as hard proof
But when he misses on throws like that it's "every QB misses throws" or someone else's fault.
The QBs job is to give the receiver a chance to make a play not just toss it behind Barkley and then expect success when he has to make a superhero play while momentum is carrying him away from the ball
I just wrote on another thread that there was backside pressure by the blitzing safety Donovan Wilson. But Jones had time to get the throw off. Hell, he could have bought some more time by rolling away from the Wilson.
Regardless, Barkley was wide open. And a good throw with touch over the Gallimore and Lawrence easily allows SB to get the first down. IMV, asking SB to make the catch while he's reaching back and falling down while the ball is hitting his knee is laughable.
It's misses like this that will likely cost Jones his future in NY. These are straightforward throws that need to be executed. It's not like the Josh Allen 40-yard laser he completed to Diggs yesterday to set-up the game winning FG against Detroit. That's the exception. That missed pass to SB was the rule...
he comes up small in big moments (as opposed to Eli who came up big in those same situations). It’s called the “it” factor and Jones doesn’t have “it”.
Why does every other team have players that are able to catch non-perfect throws but the Giants receivers are unable to?
The throw could have also been better but if Jones throws the pass to lead Barkley, the ball almost certainly gets batted down. But some people just can’t view the play in its entirety and prefer just to make comments like “Just an awful miss by Jones”.
Agree - at first, I was like, what a cruddy (though catchable pass). On the replay, if Jones tries to lead Barkley, that pass gets hit by the defender closing in on him.
he comes up small in big moments (as opposed to Eli who came up big in those same situations). It’s called the “it” factor and Jones doesn’t have “it”.
Agree with bw and you, as more and more evidence comes, it appears he comes up small significantly more than he comes up big in big moments.
Eli was the exact opposite.
I just wish we saw DJ play in a playoff game before he leaves, truly high stakes, because the biggest game in his career so far he won which was vs Dallas in 2020.
I don't really care if the QB plays like shit for 3 quarters, if he is capable to do what Eli did vs CAR in 2015 . If someone doesn't remember, game was 35-7 with about 18 minutes to play and he tied it 35-35 in about 17 minutes. Closest we've seen from Jones was the Saints game last season.
that does not change anything here, but it needs to be said.
That is one of the hardest passes to make. The RB is running away from you and the angle is very sharp. The ball was actually about 18 inches away from being a "good" pass due to the sharp angle.
Earlier in the game, he lead someone on a similar pass just a bit too much and it was out of reach.
The throwing window for this play is extremely narrow.
This does not excuse the throw at all, but it is not as bad as throwing it at Barkley's knee in the middle of the field.
If it was tipped out not but that is definitely a catchable pass. Not the greatest pass but Barkley has to catch that, period
The pass was low and behind SB. His momentum was moving him away from the ball. Catchable, maybe, but definitely off target.
We saw play after play by Dak making good throws while being hit. DJ wasn't even being hit. He just panicked and made a terrible throw.
What I saw was Prescott hitting his spot and throwing on schedule to a receiver - then getting hit. And I also saw his receivers making some nice catches.
DJ seemed to be always on the move and I think that's always going to be more difficult in terms of accuracy.
Prescott is a good player. With him, it's going to be what's he going to do in the playoffs. He has yet to be under center for a playoff win.
If it was tipped out not but that is definitely a catchable pass. Not the greatest pass but Barkley has to catch that, period
The pass was low and behind SB. His momentum was moving him away from the ball. Catchable, maybe, but definitely off target.
We saw play after play by Dak making good throws while being hit. DJ wasn't even being hit. He just panicked and made a terrible throw.
What I saw was Prescott hitting his spot and throwing on schedule to a receiver - then getting hit. And I also saw his receivers making some nice catches.
DJ seemed to be always on the move and I think that's always going to be more difficult in terms of accuracy.
Prescott is a good player. With him, it's going to be what's he going to do in the playoffs. He has yet to be under center for a playoff win.
Correction: he has 1 win (versus Seattle)........sorry Dak!
RE: Jones left a lot completions on the field yesterday
It's happening more in recent weeks as the defenses are betterand more prepared to take away the run from him. Given how his play was trending, it was a risky go for it call. But, you must execute that play. Losing or winning is often a slim margin for error and they deflated after the blown play.
His offensive line has been missing 2 starters for the past 3 weeks ago. You guys need to really put out all the facts.
I just wrote on another thread that there was backside pressure by the blitzing safety Donovan Wilson. But Jones had time to get the throw off. Hell, he could have bought some more time by rolling away from the Wilson.
Regardless, Barkley was wide open. And a good throw with touch over the Gallimore and Lawrence easily allows SB to get the first down. IMV, asking SB to make the catch while he's reaching back and falling down while the ball is hitting his knee is laughable.
It's misses like this that will likely cost Jones his future in NY. These are straightforward throws that need to be executed. It's not like the Josh Allen 40-yard laser he completed to Diggs yesterday to set-up the game winning FG against Detroit. That's the exception. That missed pass to SB was the rule...
Bw, unfortunately everything you right is tainted by your bias….you have been lobbying for us to draft Haskins, Willis, Pickett, Fields and who knows who will ride next year.
Translation- you don’t believe in Jones so anything he does will always get your thumbs down. Like that 4th down play….it’s all on Jones, none on Barkley you say. It’s your 3 year agenda moving you to write what you write.
That was not a hard ball to catch….he was falling down because he got spastic for some reason. You may not know this, but Barkley of the past two weeks is not the same Barkley before then. He’s struggling big time…just like he did with that pass….wasn’t smooth at all. I’m sure Pollard would have had no problem….even Breida.
are blind or retarded but the ball doesn't hit Barkley in the knee or the ankle. It hits him in the waist after it passed threw both hands. There are links in the thread where you can rewatch the play as many times as you want. To say it hit him in the knee or the ankle shows me that some of you live in your own reality
RE: RE: Jones left a lot completions on the field yesterday
It's happening more in recent weeks as the defenses are betterand more prepared to take away the run from him. Given how his play was trending, it was a risky go for it call. But, you must execute that play. Losing or winning is often a slim margin for error and they deflated after the blown play.
His offensive line has been missing 2 starters for the past 3 weeks ago. You guys need to really put out all the facts.
It's even more basic than that, he plain misses wide open throws, pass pro was fine.
RE: RE: Forget the TD, just getting the first down...
Bw, unfortunately everything you right is tainted by your bias….you have been lobbying for us to draft Haskins, Willis, Pickett, Fields and who knows who will ride next year.
Translation- you don’t believe in Jones so anything he does will always get your thumbs down. Like that 4th down play….it’s all on Jones, none on Barkley you say. It’s your 3 year agenda moving you to write what you write.
That was not a hard ball to catch….he was falling down because he got spastic for some reason. You may not know this, but Barkley of the past two weeks is not the same Barkley before then. He’s struggling big time…just like he did with that pass….wasn’t smooth at all. I’m sure Pollard would have had no problem….even Breida.
I never said draft Haskins or Pickett. No one on this board was more anti-Haskins than me. Remind me, btw, how is Fields playing? Willis is a TBD. So, if you are going to attribute things to me, get them right.
I also said we should draft Josh Allen. I would have endorsed moving on Herbert. How are they working out so far?
Further, for the uninformed, I have been praiseworthy of Jones this year when he has played well. Search any threads after the Green Bay, Ravens, Jacksonville games.
I can't control what you read, or if you comprehend what you read. But I don't have a bias against Jones. I have nearly four years of data and performance that tell me Jones is most likely not a solution for this organization.
Here is the only point about the pass Jones made to Barkley - it was a horrible pass. And expecting Barkley to bail Jones out is just another excuse in the never-ending lines of excuses to protect Jones.
For some reason...
Some people just can’t bring themselves to admit the truth about Jones
but now we have people completely re-writing what actually happened in the game to fit their narrative and making up excuses like “Barkley would have taken it to the house and scored a TD if it wasn’t a bad throw”
Oh yeah? So that mythical play is the one you choose to believe? Shocking.
But that’s not the point. You downplay one “mythical” play because it doesn’t fit your narrative. But clearly push the missed opportunity of another “mythical” play because it does for your narrative. Lol, you guys are all the same.
Hell, there’s no guarantee that Barkley even makes the catch. I’ve seen him drop plenty of perfect passes this season. Nevermind the two defenders that were about to be right on top of him.
It’s pointing out excuses that are literally fabricated. The pass wasn’t bad because it was tipped. But multiple posters have tried to make that excuse.
And I’ve see at least one of those posters acknowledge they
we’re wrong about that “tipped” play comment. And yes, there’s a high likelihood that a better pass would have been batted down. But of course there’s no way to know it would. Just like there’s no way to know that Barkley would have “taken it to the house” or even catch the ball outright. I’ve also seen nearly ALL the Jones “excuse makers” admit that it could have been a better throw.
In fact, I see Jones supporters talk all the time about both the pros and cons of DJ. There’s no preconceptions about him as a player. But he has also shown to improve as a player. Which is what we all want, right? Conversely, Jones haters are so dug in on their view, cherry-pick stats with zero context just to kill him, and downplay any other reason other than the QB that might be affecting the team in a negative way.
But at this point, let’s just move on from Jones so all of you can start complaining about the next guy.
we’re wrong about that “tipped” play comment. And yes, there’s a high likelihood that a better pass would have been batted down. But of course there’s no way to know it would. Just like there’s no way to know that Barkley would have “taken it to the house” or even catch the ball outright. I’ve also seen nearly ALL the Jones “excuse makers” admit that it could have been a better throw.
In fact, I see Jones supporters talk all the time about both the pros and cons of DJ. There’s no preconceptions about him as a player. But he has also shown to improve as a player. Which is what we all want, right? Conversely, Jones haters are so dug in on their view, cherry-pick stats with zero context just to kill him, and downplay any other reason other than the QB that might be affecting the team in a negative way.
But at this point, let’s just move on from Jones so all of you can start complaining about the next guy.
Just get the QB right...or we can keep waiting, making excuses, or noticing subjective "improving", even though his stats are basically the same as last year. The only thing that's different this year, over last, is Saquon Barkley and an improved defense.
on the safety - he was able to come clean off the edge and likely forced Jones to rush the pass a half second early.
But I'm not concerned with Myarick. If we're talking about possibly giving Jones and Barkley big second contracts then with pressure Jones still needs to make that simple throw in the flat on the money, and Barkley needs to bail the QB out and catch an off the mark pass. They both failed.
that does not change anything here, but it needs to be said.
That is one of the hardest passes to make. The RB is running away from you and the angle is very sharp. The ball was actually about 18 inches away from being a "good" pass due to the sharp angle.
Earlier in the game, he lead someone on a similar pass just a bit too much and it was out of reach.
The throwing window for this play is extremely narrow.
This does not excuse the throw at all, but it is not as bad as throwing it at Barkley's knee in the middle of the field.
No, it wasn't all that hard. It was simply a bad throw that still probably should have been caught.
if it's a precise throw, but it wasn't, it was behind barkley and he should have caught it for the first down. a missed opportunity on both players. DJ missed having a big play, but barkley missed moving the chains which was more important.
RE: Barclay had to turn around and reach back while speeding up
As he had nothing but green ahead because that lb is not going to catch him. objectively, By the time the ball was there Barkley was back pedaling and even fell on his back. Even if he somehow holds on he would have gone to the ground since he was reaching back Not his fault in any way shape or form. Jones had another second to lay it out there and instead he shortarmed it. A hurried, panicked throw in a critical game changing moment. Very disappointing because Jones works so hard for his team and few moments in each game are handed to you. These moments define a QB (like Eli) . Its Schoen’s call on our future QB but $30 million?
He fell on his back AFTER the ball went through his hands.
Jones made a God-awful pass. I never noticed the ball being tipped. Never even tried to look. I highly doubt it was so - yeah his pass sucked.
Barkley still should have caught the ball that was above his knees that went through his hands. Why you seem to want to mention the LB as having any relevance in this is crazy. How does that have anything to do with whether he should have caught the ball. Please stop with the excuses.
The NFL Network has the game on again at 4:00. The replays will show the view of Barkley from behind. They are excellent. The side view shown on this thread basically shows very little.
Most of the Jones “haters” have acknowledged when he’s played well this year. But that doesn’t fit your narrative.
This is bullshit. But again you often post bullshit. You are probably right about the tipped pass - but nearly everything you say about Jones is horseshit. The 4th and 1 was thrown at Barkjey's ankles is what you said laughable crap.
But many of you still ripped into Jones after game 1 vs Dallas. SY didn't agree. So - no you haters didn't acknwoledge when he had good games.- That's the point. You whine/complain like a bitch even when he does okay.
As he had nothing but green ahead because that lb is not going to catch him. objectively, By the time the ball was there Barkley was back pedaling and even fell on his back. Even if he somehow holds on he would have gone to the ground since he was reaching back Not his fault in any way shape or form. Jones had another second to lay it out there and instead he shortarmed it. A hurried, panicked throw in a critical game changing moment. Very disappointing because Jones works so hard for his team and few moments in each game are handed to you. These moments define a QB (like Eli) . Its Schoen’s call on our future QB but $30 million?
I'm sorry. I misread your comment about the LB before. I'm sorry.
Yeah possibly it could have been a huge play. Sorry.
It's a throw a good QB makes. Four years of excuses for this guy. He cannot operate well when a game is put on his shoulders. Paying this guy would be insanity. Draft a QB. Give Daboll his own guy to develop.
You can say it was a bad throw all you want but I disagree
This! It was not a “good” throw but to label that bad and say it’s jones fault is insane. He had to get it in between 2 defenders while being pressured and he didn’t want to float it over them and risk saquon being hit. He drilled it in and saquon didn’t catch the ball. It was not a hard catch by any means. Not difficult at all for a professional football player. Let’s get real. It hit him squarely in both hands. He dropped it. Simple as that. Idc if it could have gone the distance. We just needed a first down. Catch the ducking ball if you want to be the highest paid back. I know CMC easily catches that ball as does many backs including Brieda who has proven to have much better hands than saquon
Shit.
Yes, it would have been better if the ball was led to the other side hip, but that pass was still 100% catchable for a 1st down at least. Maybe if Saquon was being paid 10-12M per year you might then agree.
Don’t see that. Ball still in a perfect spiral. Could have kept Jones from leading Barkley more
felt the pressure of #6 Donovan Wilson bearing down on him and thus maybe rushed that pass a tad?
By the way there is no guarantee that SB takes that to the house if executed properly.
Just catch the damn ball and its a first down.
In a game where every Cowboy player was catching really poor throws from Dak...
There is no excuse for SB to drop that.
By the way there is no guarantee that SB takes that to the house if executed properly.
Just catch the damn ball and its a first down.
In a game where every Cowboy player was catching really poor throws from Dak...
There is no excuse for SB to drop that.
Absolutely agree. It hit him in the damn hands! Just make the friggin catch and get the 1st down. I'm sorry but that's unexcusable.
I felt this way too. Seemed like desperation too soon in the game.
The throw could have also been better but if Jones throws the pass to lead Barkley, the ball almost certainly gets batted down. But some people just can’t view the play in its entirety and prefer just to make comments like “Just an awful miss by Jones”.
and that is all.
That's all we needed at that moment...
The kind of play you would expect Franchise Tag-type players to make, not alone one of them.
Ok but, your argument is a better pass would have been a touchdown and even if catches this pass it is just a first down... He fucking didn't catch it period! The first down is more important than woulda coulda argument. The TD argument only matters IF Barkley catches the ball for a first down. By not catching it at all the argument is 100% on what could have been if we got a first down there!
It was a tipped pass, pass looked on target before Lawrence tipped it, Barkley had to try a miracle, it happens. Btw having 10 players on the field in that moment is inexcusable.
https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/z491tr/highlight_demarcus_lawrence_crucial_deflection_to/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
It was a tipped pass, pass looked on target before Lawrence tipped it, Barkley had to try a miracle, it happens. Btw having 10 players on the field in that moment is inexcusable.
https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/z491tr/highlight_demarcus_lawrence_crucial_deflection_to/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Deceptive angle. It's clear from the other angle that Lawrence could not have touched it.
Still 10 players on the field is inexcusable, it was a terrible pass by DJ that killed any big gain chance but it was also bad adjustment by SB that should've converted the 4th.
Overall it was a game we needed 0 mistakes to win and we had a few, it happens.
Deceptive angle. It's clear from the other angle that Lawrence could not have touched it.
I agree, my bad.
This offense has limited chances to make big plays, and this one was a layup. Have to get it.
By the way there is no guarantee that SB takes that to the house if executed properly.
Just catch the damn ball and its a first down.
In a game where every Cowboy player was catching really poor throws from Dak...
There is no excuse for SB to drop that.
It would have been great catch by Saqoun. it was poor throw, and if it was a better throw, Barkley has a huge gain or possibly scores. Jones was off on those throws out in the flat all day yestrday.
By the way there is no guarantee that SB takes that to the house if executed properly.
Just catch the damn ball and its a first down.
In a game where every Cowboy player was catching really poor throws from Dak...
There is no excuse for SB to drop that.
Cowboys WIDE RECEIVERS were catching everything
Saquon is not a WR
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the more I re-watch it, the more I see that was catchable.
By the way there is no guarantee that SB takes that to the house if executed properly.
Just catch the damn ball and its a first down.
In a game where every Cowboy player was catching really poor throws from Dak...
There is no excuse for SB to drop that.
It would have been great catch by Saqoun. it was poor throw, and if it was a better throw, Barkley has a huge gain or possibly scores. Jones was off on those throws out in the flat all day yestrday.
I don’t know how to post a photo here but I have a photo of the ball right on his right hip as he drops it….
I don’t know if you’ve played football at all, but you can’t expect every throw to be perfect, especially quick plays like that. As you can see #6 on Dallas had a free untouched shot to Jones on his blindside and hit him just after release. Plus the DE guy was enough in his passing lane that Jones had to be concerned. It was not as easy as you make it out to be. But again, he has to catch that ball.
I’m not sure why you find all fault with Jones and none with Saquon, but so be it…
Now I remember trying to explain that on the failed 2 pt play against the Bucs a year or two back (and that one was much clear) but this is a good reason why I don't pay attention to people on QB play that they don't even understand how teams play on 4th and short and goalline situations.
Demarcus Lawrence tip this? - ( New Window )
The entire process failed there. Daboll/Kafka, Jones and Barkley all deserve some heat for that. I don't necessarily disagree with going for it there, but they couldn't afford to piss the chance away with mistakes and that's what they did all the way around.
I’m not sure why you find all fault with Jones and none with Saquon, but so be it…
We fault DJ because he threw a bad ball.
It's just cliche to say "if it hits you in the hands, you should catch it". That's what people on TV say.
Let's say me and you are standing 5 yards apart from each other and I throw a ball at you with all my force. It hits you in the hands but you don't catch it. I just can't say "bro, it hit you in the hands, catch it"
Cause you're gonna be like "dude, you threw it 100 miles an hour, what you expect"
Now I remember trying to explain that on the failed 2 pt play against the Bucs a year or two back (and that one was much clear) but this is a good reason why I don't pay attention to people on QB play that they don't even understand how teams play on 4th and short and goalline situations. Demarcus Lawrence tip this? - ( New Window )
Already been discussed in the thread. Other angle is absolutely clear that Lawrence could not have tipped.
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the more I re-watch it, the more I see that was catchable.
By the way there is no guarantee that SB takes that to the house if executed properly.
Just catch the damn ball and its a first down.
In a game where every Cowboy player was catching really poor throws from Dak...
There is no excuse for SB to drop that.
It would have been great catch by Saqoun. it was poor throw, and if it was a better throw, Barkley has a huge gain or possibly scores. Jones was off on those throws out in the flat all day yestrday.
I don’t know how to post a photo here but I have a photo of the ball right on his right hip as he drops it….
I don’t know if you’ve played football at all, but you can’t expect every throw to be perfect, especially quick plays like that. As you can see #6 on Dallas had a free untouched shot to Jones on his blindside and hit him just after release. Plus the DE guy was enough in his passing lane that Jones had to be concerned. It was not as easy as you make it out to be. But again, he has to catch that ball.
I’m not sure why you find all fault with Jones and none with Saquon, but so be it…
Both players are at fault.
I also want to add - Barkley may be able to do a lot of damage in the receiving game but he has very average hands. He’s not an elite receiving back like Kamara, Swift, Ekeler etc. Hes had a lot of terrible drops like this and I kind of wish the coaches didn’t have so much faith in him.
It was actually a poor pass. An NFL starting QB should make that one.
Clock was ticking defense got a good jump, and Barkley could have caught it.
Another few wins will place in the position where drafting a QB next season could be a reach. Jones has handled the media well, I except him to be here next season if the deal is right. We have so many needs to fill on both sides of the ball.
Not certain if Barkley will be here if he wants top RB dollar either.
He is a RB that can catch out of the backfield not some dual threat offensive dynamo.
Now I remember trying to explain that on the failed 2 pt play against the Bucs a year or two back (and that one was much clear) but this is a good reason why I don't pay attention to people on QB play that they don't even understand how teams play on 4th and short and goalline situations. Demarcus Lawrence tip this? - ( New Window )
Wow, what's interesting to me about the video in that link is Daniel's eyes..I believe he was looking in the center of the field to create a throwing lane. He didn't look at Saquon until his arm was already forward and about to release the ball.
I'm in the camp of they both screwed up...but Saquon could've overcome it with a fairly routine catch.
Both players are at fault.
I also want to add - Barkley may be able to do a lot of damage in the receiving game but he has very average hands. He’s not an elite receiving back like Kamara, Swift, Ekeler etc. Hes had a lot of terrible drops like this and I kind of wish the coaches didn’t have so much faith in him.
Barkley's hands receiving have always been a mixed bag, I'll never forget that day Eli would've been 18/18 vs SF I think if SB doesn't drop a ball in the 4th quarter.
An easy SB drop prevented Eli from having the only 100% passing game in the history of the league if I'm not mistaken.
Now I believe on the two pass to James DJ had pressure coming at him. But if Barkley is expected to make a catch of a ball thrown behind him, shouldn’t DJ be expected to complete a 4 yard pass with or without pressure?
The original play angle shows that Lawrence's hand was nowhere near the ball.
There is no alternate reality where Lawrence tipped the ball. And both angles, taken together, show Gallimore #96 didn't tip it either.
I have indexed to the play. Use the settings to slow it down if you really need to be convinced.
link - ( New Window )
Daboll’s defense just got off the field from a long scoring drive I understand why he went for it. I probably would have punted but i’m guessing he felt his offense had to if not score drive the ball and use some clock.
This is true. But DJ seems to miss more than is acceptable. Every week it's a potentially game changing miss, or not seeing an open receiver. When DJ is automatic on making these plays, then he gets the occasional mulligan. Until then, he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt.
Coupled on that is every week it's a potentially game changing drop, or two, or three.
This is true. But DJ seems to miss more than is acceptable. Every week it's a potentially game changing miss, or not seeing an open receiver. When DJ is automatic on making these plays, then he gets the occasional mulligan. Until then, he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt.
Coupled on that is every week it's a potentially game changing drop, or two, or three.
He did throw a TD that was called back due to pure stupidity.
That’s what the Giants are. Jones will miss a throw that must be made, then half of his good throws are dropped or negated by some submoronic penalty.
This! It was not a “good” throw but to label that bad and say it’s jones fault is insane. He had to get it in between 2 defenders while being pressured and he didn’t want to float it over them and risk saquon being hit. He drilled it in and saquon didn’t catch the ball. It was not a hard catch by any means. Not difficult at all for a professional football player. Let’s get real. It hit him squarely in both hands. He dropped it. Simple as that. Idc if it could have gone the distance. We just needed a first down. Catch the ducking ball if you want to be the highest paid back. I know CMC easily catches that ball as does many backs including Brieda who has proven to have much better hands than saquon
I point the finger at both guys. Just plain terrible.
This is what we get from our two best offensive players??? and we wonder why we don't score points. Tired of excuses, tired of sorry, tires of its on me. Execute the damn play!
If I'm Dabol I'm pissed. Players off the street breaking their collective asses and these two guys can't execute a simple play. Hell I'm pissed can only imagine what Dabol thinks.
And I'm not starting Barkley next week after the way he has run the past two weeks. Soft as a pile of sh...t. Brightwell looked much better and in particular much tougher.
Put in Tyrod, at least I think he would have made that throw.
we need to rid ourselves of these two DG draft picks. Can you tell how disappointed I am.
What good is just struggling to get to the 50 yard line and require 4 downs -- which was stupid to go for it anyway.
Sooner or later we're going to have to address this lack of a passing game. It can't just be jumbo package run Barkley; fakr hand off to Barkley Jones run; and throw to Barkley in the flat. Just too 1 dimensional and barkley is not a "go to " guy when you need a pass play executed. At least he should not be.
Great stat thanks for sharing.
The entire process failed there. Daboll/Kafka, Jones and Barkley all deserve some heat for that. I don't necessarily disagree with going for it there, but they couldn't afford to piss the chance away with mistakes and that's what they did all the way around.
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we've seen from Jones all too often. Saquan may have dropped a somewhat difficult pass, but even if he did catch it, it's a 1 or 2 yard gain instead of a huge gainer.
Ok but, your argument is a better pass would have been a touchdown and even if catches this pass it is just a first down... He fucking didn't catch it period! The first down is more important than woulda coulda argument. The TD argument only matters IF Barkley catches the ball for a first down. By not catching it at all the argument is 100% on what could have been if we got a first down there!
Just make a better pass. Then SB doesn't have to try to catch a ball a foot off the ground and to his right while he's falling to his left. Problem solved!
What's the excuse on the 3rd and 1 shitty pass. We know it couldn't have been DJs fault, right?
The QBs job is to give the receiver a chance to make a play not just toss it behind Barkley and then expect success when he has to make a superhero play while momentum is carrying him away from the ball
I just wrote on another thread that there was backside pressure by the blitzing safety Donovan Wilson. But Jones had time to get the throw off. Hell, he could have bought some more time by rolling away from the Wilson.
Regardless, Barkley was wide open. And a good throw with touch over the Gallimore and Lawrence easily allows SB to get the first down. IMV, asking SB to make the catch while he's reaching back and falling down while the ball is hitting his knee is laughable.
It's misses like this that will likely cost Jones his future in NY. These are straightforward throws that need to be executed. It's not like the Josh Allen 40-yard laser he completed to Diggs yesterday to set-up the game winning FG against Detroit. That's the exception. That missed pass to SB was the rule...
The throw could have also been better but if Jones throws the pass to lead Barkley, the ball almost certainly gets batted down. But some people just can’t view the play in its entirety and prefer just to make comments like “Just an awful miss by Jones”.
Agree - at first, I was like, what a cruddy (though catchable pass). On the replay, if Jones tries to lead Barkley, that pass gets hit by the defender closing in on him.
He is a RB that can catch out of the backfield not some dual threat offensive dynamo.
I'm very disappointed in SB as a receiver - both in utilization and execution.
This was actually a good play - but he failed to catch it. Yes DJ didn't hit him stride but SB still needs to come up with it.
I envisioned SB lining up more in the slot and running more down the field routes. Perhaps next year as the talent gets better.
But the hands need to be better.
Agree with bw and you, as more and more evidence comes, it appears he comes up small significantly more than he comes up big in big moments.
Eli was the exact opposite.
I just wish we saw DJ play in a playoff game before he leaves, truly high stakes, because the biggest game in his career so far he won which was vs Dallas in 2020.
I don't really care if the QB plays like shit for 3 quarters, if he is capable to do what Eli did vs CAR in 2015 . If someone doesn't remember, game was 35-7 with about 18 minutes to play and he tied it 35-35 in about 17 minutes. Closest we've seen from Jones was the Saints game last season.
That is one of the hardest passes to make. The RB is running away from you and the angle is very sharp. The ball was actually about 18 inches away from being a "good" pass due to the sharp angle.
Earlier in the game, he lead someone on a similar pass just a bit too much and it was out of reach.
The throwing window for this play is extremely narrow.
This does not excuse the throw at all, but it is not as bad as throwing it at Barkley's knee in the middle of the field.
The pass was low and behind SB. His momentum was moving him away from the ball. Catchable, maybe, but definitely off target.
We saw play after play by Dak making good throws while being hit. DJ wasn't even being hit. He just panicked and made a terrible throw.
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If it was tipped out not but that is definitely a catchable pass. Not the greatest pass but Barkley has to catch that, period
The pass was low and behind SB. His momentum was moving him away from the ball. Catchable, maybe, but definitely off target.
We saw play after play by Dak making good throws while being hit. DJ wasn't even being hit. He just panicked and made a terrible throw.
What I saw was Prescott hitting his spot and throwing on schedule to a receiver - then getting hit. And I also saw his receivers making some nice catches.
DJ seemed to be always on the move and I think that's always going to be more difficult in terms of accuracy.
Prescott is a good player. With him, it's going to be what's he going to do in the playoffs. He has yet to be under center for a playoff win.
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If it was tipped out not but that is definitely a catchable pass. Not the greatest pass but Barkley has to catch that, period
The pass was low and behind SB. His momentum was moving him away from the ball. Catchable, maybe, but definitely off target.
We saw play after play by Dak making good throws while being hit. DJ wasn't even being hit. He just panicked and made a terrible throw.
What I saw was Prescott hitting his spot and throwing on schedule to a receiver - then getting hit. And I also saw his receivers making some nice catches.
DJ seemed to be always on the move and I think that's always going to be more difficult in terms of accuracy.
Prescott is a good player. With him, it's going to be what's he going to do in the playoffs. He has yet to be under center for a playoff win.
Correction: he has 1 win (versus Seattle)........sorry Dak!
His offensive line has been missing 2 starters for the past 3 weeks ago. You guys need to really put out all the facts.
I just wrote on another thread that there was backside pressure by the blitzing safety Donovan Wilson. But Jones had time to get the throw off. Hell, he could have bought some more time by rolling away from the Wilson.
Regardless, Barkley was wide open. And a good throw with touch over the Gallimore and Lawrence easily allows SB to get the first down. IMV, asking SB to make the catch while he's reaching back and falling down while the ball is hitting his knee is laughable.
It's misses like this that will likely cost Jones his future in NY. These are straightforward throws that need to be executed. It's not like the Josh Allen 40-yard laser he completed to Diggs yesterday to set-up the game winning FG against Detroit. That's the exception. That missed pass to SB was the rule...
Bw, unfortunately everything you right is tainted by your bias….you have been lobbying for us to draft Haskins, Willis, Pickett, Fields and who knows who will ride next year.
Translation- you don’t believe in Jones so anything he does will always get your thumbs down. Like that 4th down play….it’s all on Jones, none on Barkley you say. It’s your 3 year agenda moving you to write what you write.
That was not a hard ball to catch….he was falling down because he got spastic for some reason. You may not know this, but Barkley of the past two weeks is not the same Barkley before then. He’s struggling big time…just like he did with that pass….wasn’t smooth at all. I’m sure Pollard would have had no problem….even Breida.
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It's happening more in recent weeks as the defenses are betterand more prepared to take away the run from him. Given how his play was trending, it was a risky go for it call. But, you must execute that play. Losing or winning is often a slim margin for error and they deflated after the blown play.
His offensive line has been missing 2 starters for the past 3 weeks ago. You guys need to really put out all the facts.
It's even more basic than that, he plain misses wide open throws, pass pro was fine.
Bw, unfortunately everything you right is tainted by your bias….you have been lobbying for us to draft Haskins, Willis, Pickett, Fields and who knows who will ride next year.
Translation- you don’t believe in Jones so anything he does will always get your thumbs down. Like that 4th down play….it’s all on Jones, none on Barkley you say. It’s your 3 year agenda moving you to write what you write.
That was not a hard ball to catch….he was falling down because he got spastic for some reason. You may not know this, but Barkley of the past two weeks is not the same Barkley before then. He’s struggling big time…just like he did with that pass….wasn’t smooth at all. I’m sure Pollard would have had no problem….even Breida.
I never said draft Haskins or Pickett. No one on this board was more anti-Haskins than me. Remind me, btw, how is Fields playing? Willis is a TBD. So, if you are going to attribute things to me, get them right.
I also said we should draft Josh Allen. I would have endorsed moving on Herbert. How are they working out so far?
Further, for the uninformed, I have been praiseworthy of Jones this year when he has played well. Search any threads after the Green Bay, Ravens, Jacksonville games.
I can't control what you read, or if you comprehend what you read. But I don't have a bias against Jones. I have nearly four years of data and performance that tell me Jones is most likely not a solution for this organization.
Here is the only point about the pass Jones made to Barkley - it was a horrible pass. And expecting Barkley to bail Jones out is just another excuse in the never-ending lines of excuses to protect Jones.
For some reason...
It was a bad pass.
Oh yeah? So that mythical play is the one you choose to believe? Shocking.
Hell, there’s no guarantee that Barkley even makes the catch. I’ve seen him drop plenty of perfect passes this season. Nevermind the two defenders that were about to be right on top of him.
In fact, I see Jones supporters talk all the time about both the pros and cons of DJ. There’s no preconceptions about him as a player. But he has also shown to improve as a player. Which is what we all want, right? Conversely, Jones haters are so dug in on their view, cherry-pick stats with zero context just to kill him, and downplay any other reason other than the QB that might be affecting the team in a negative way.
But at this point, let’s just move on from Jones so all of you can start complaining about the next guy.
In fact, I see Jones supporters talk all the time about both the pros and cons of DJ. There’s no preconceptions about him as a player. But he has also shown to improve as a player. Which is what we all want, right? Conversely, Jones haters are so dug in on their view, cherry-pick stats with zero context just to kill him, and downplay any other reason other than the QB that might be affecting the team in a negative way.
But at this point, let’s just move on from Jones so all of you can start complaining about the next guy.
Just get the QB right...or we can keep waiting, making excuses, or noticing subjective "improving", even though his stats are basically the same as last year. The only thing that's different this year, over last, is Saquon Barkley and an improved defense.
But I'm not concerned with Myarick. If we're talking about possibly giving Jones and Barkley big second contracts then with pressure Jones still needs to make that simple throw in the flat on the money, and Barkley needs to bail the QB out and catch an off the mark pass. They both failed.
That is one of the hardest passes to make. The RB is running away from you and the angle is very sharp. The ball was actually about 18 inches away from being a "good" pass due to the sharp angle.
Earlier in the game, he lead someone on a similar pass just a bit too much and it was out of reach.
The throwing window for this play is extremely narrow.
This does not excuse the throw at all, but it is not as bad as throwing it at Barkley's knee in the middle of the field.
No, it wasn't all that hard. It was simply a bad throw that still probably should have been caught.
It was a bad pass.
It’s baffling. What has Daniel Jones done in his entire life to earn the level of admiration and excuse making?
He fell on his back AFTER the ball went through his hands.
Jones made a God-awful pass. I never noticed the ball being tipped. Never even tried to look. I highly doubt it was so - yeah his pass sucked.
Barkley still should have caught the ball that was above his knees that went through his hands. Why you seem to want to mention the LB as having any relevance in this is crazy. How does that have anything to do with whether he should have caught the ball. Please stop with the excuses.
This is bullshit. But again you often post bullshit. You are probably right about the tipped pass - but nearly everything you say about Jones is horseshit. The 4th and 1 was thrown at Barkjey's ankles is what you said laughable crap.
But many of you still ripped into Jones after game 1 vs Dallas. SY didn't agree. So - no you haters didn't acknwoledge when he had good games.- That's the point. You whine/complain like a bitch even when he does okay.
Ankles, knee, hip who gives a shit. It was a pass that should have been caught and it was also a bad pass.
I'm sorry. I misread your comment about the LB before. I'm sorry.
Yeah possibly it could have been a huge play. Sorry.
Complete horseshit. Th ball goes through both his hands above his knees and it's "Sueperhuman?"
LMAO.
Please inform us what the truth is.
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You can say it was a bad throw all you want but I disagree
This! It was not a “good” throw but to label that bad and say it’s jones fault is insane. He had to get it in between 2 defenders while being pressured and he didn’t want to float it over them and risk saquon being hit. He drilled it in and saquon didn’t catch the ball. It was not a hard catch by any means. Not difficult at all for a professional football player. Let’s get real. It hit him squarely in both hands. He dropped it. Simple as that. Idc if it could have gone the distance. We just needed a first down. Catch the ducking ball if you want to be the highest paid back. I know CMC easily catches that ball as does many backs including Brieda who has proven to have much better hands than saquon