if he led SQ anymore he would have completely knocked it down. But 10 men on the field? 4th and ballgame 10 men? That needs to be addressed. Big fan but SQ should have caught it.
Yes, it would have been better if the ball was led to the other side hip, but that pass was still 100% catchable for a 1st down at least. Maybe if Saquon was being paid 10-12M per year you might then agree.
if he led SQ anymore he would have completely knocked it down. But 10 men on the field? 4th and ballgame 10 men? That needs to be addressed. Big fan but SQ should have caught it.
Don’t see that. Ball still in a perfect spiral. Could have kept Jones from leading Barkley more
agree with going for it at all. I know it should have been a big play, but I didnt think that was the time to be aggressive. We needed to get that game to the 4th quarter within a couple points and put all of the pressure on them. If you go for it there and dont get it the game is over. I would have tried to pin them deep
we've seen from Jones all too often. Saquan may have dropped a somewhat difficult pass, but even if he did catch it, it's a 1 or 2 yard gain instead of a huge gainer.
agree with going for it at all. I know it should have been a big play, but I didnt think that was the time to be aggressive. We needed to get that game to the 4th quarter within a couple points and put all of the pressure on them. If you go for it there and dont get it the game is over. I would have tried to pin them deep
I felt this way too. Seemed like desperation too soon in the game.
Why does every other team have players that are able to catch non-perfect throws but the Giants receivers are unable to?
The throw could have also been better but if Jones throws the pass to lead Barkley, the ball almost certainly gets batted down. But some people just can’t view the play in its entirety and prefer just to make comments like “Just an awful miss by Jones”.
we've seen from Jones all too often. Saquan may have dropped a somewhat difficult pass, but even if he did catch it, it's a 1 or 2 yard gain instead of a huge gainer.
That's all we needed at that moment...
Big moment in the game, pressure was on to convert and the
we've seen from Jones all too often. Saquan may have dropped a somewhat difficult pass, but even if he did catch it, it's a 1 or 2 yard gain instead of a huge gainer.
Ok but, your argument is a better pass would have been a touchdown and even if catches this pass it is just a first down... He fucking didn't catch it period! The first down is more important than woulda coulda argument. The TD argument only matters IF Barkley catches the ball for a first down. By not catching it at all the argument is 100% on what could have been if we got a first down there!
Funny how people see the play the way they wanted to see it...
It was a tipped pass, pass looked on target before Lawrence tipped it, Barkley had to try a miracle, it happens. Btw having 10 players on the field in that moment is inexcusable.
As he had nothing but green ahead because that lb is not going to catch him. objectively, By the time the ball was there Barkley was back pedaling and even fell on his back. Even if he somehow holds on he would have gone to the ground since he was reaching back Not his fault in any way shape or form. Jones had another second to lay it out there and instead he shortarmed it. A hurried, panicked throw in a critical game changing moment. Very disappointing because Jones works so hard for his team and few moments in each game are handed to you. These moments define a QB (like Eli) . Its Schoen’s call on our future QB but $30 million?
Funny how people see the play the way they wanted to see it...
It was a tipped pass, pass looked on target before Lawrence tipped it, Barkley had to try a miracle, it happens. Btw having 10 players on the field in that moment is inexcusable.
Nevermind my comment above, got trolled by this reddit post that a friend texted me... Lawrence is way off the ball, it wasn't tipped.
Still 10 players on the field is inexcusable, it was a terrible pass by DJ that killed any big gain chance but it was also bad adjustment by SB that should've converted the 4th.
Overall it was a game we needed 0 mistakes to win and we had a few, it happens.
And nobody is saying it shouldn’t have still been caught, but it was also a bad pass that needed to be better. Even if he caught it, they get the first down but no guarantee they score. If the pass was on target, it’s a big play maybe even a score.
This offense has limited chances to make big plays, and this one was a layup. Have to get it.
the more I re-watch it, the more I see that was catchable.
By the way there is no guarantee that SB takes that to the house if executed properly.
Just catch the damn ball and its a first down.
In a game where every Cowboy player was catching really poor throws from Dak...
There is no excuse for SB to drop that.
It would have been great catch by Saqoun. it was poor throw, and if it was a better throw, Barkley has a huge gain or possibly scores. Jones was off on those throws out in the flat all day yestrday.
Isn’t perfect but watching this game demonstrated a clear problem. The WR’s for Dak continuously made tough catches and ours did not. Slayton made a great catch but outside of that his War’s don’t make plays for him
the more I re-watch it, the more I see that was catchable.
By the way there is no guarantee that SB takes that to the house if executed properly.
Just catch the damn ball and its a first down.
In a game where every Cowboy player was catching really poor throws from Dak...
There is no excuse for SB to drop that.
It would have been great catch by Saqoun. it was poor throw, and if it was a better throw, Barkley has a huge gain or possibly scores. Jones was off on those throws out in the flat all day yestrday.
I don’t know how to post a photo here but I have a photo of the ball right on his right hip as he drops it….
I don’t know if you’ve played football at all, but you can’t expect every throw to be perfect, especially quick plays like that. As you can see #6 on Dallas had a free untouched shot to Jones on his blindside and hit him just after release. Plus the DE guy was enough in his passing lane that Jones had to be concerned. It was not as easy as you make it out to be. But again, he has to catch that ball.
I’m not sure why you find all fault with Jones and none with Saquon, but so be it…
Its been speculated Demarcus Lawrence got a tip on it....and the ball starting to wobble kinda shows that. If DJ puts that in "right spot" it gets batted down.
Now I remember trying to explain that on the failed 2 pt play against the Bucs a year or two back (and that one was much clear) but this is a good reason why I don't pay attention to people on QB play that they don't even understand how teams play on 4th and short and goalline situations. Demarcus Lawrence tip this? - ( New Window )
We know about the 10 men on the field but that play
was also rushed. For a second it looked like they might not get it off. That allowed the defender to perfectly time his blitz, which lead to the bad throw, which lead to the dropped pass.
The entire process failed there. Daboll/Kafka, Jones and Barkley all deserve some heat for that. I don't necessarily disagree with going for it there, but they couldn't afford to piss the chance away with mistakes and that's what they did all the way around.
I’m not sure why you find all fault with Jones and none with Saquon, but so be it…
We fault DJ because he threw a bad ball.
It's just cliche to say "if it hits you in the hands, you should catch it". That's what people on TV say.
Let's say me and you are standing 5 yards apart from each other and I throw a ball at you with all my force. It hits you in the hands but you don't catch it. I just can't say "bro, it hit you in the hands, catch it"
Cause you're gonna be like "dude, you threw it 100 miles an hour, what you expect"
The reality is we can't know what the true angle is unless we get
Its been speculated Demarcus Lawrence got a tip on it....and the ball starting to wobble kinda shows that. If DJ puts that in "right spot" it gets batted down.
Now I remember trying to explain that on the failed 2 pt play against the Bucs a year or two back (and that one was much clear) but this is a good reason why I don't pay attention to people on QB play that they don't even understand how teams play on 4th and short and goalline situations. Demarcus Lawrence tip this? - ( New Window )
Already been discussed in the thread. Other angle is absolutely clear that Lawrence could not have tipped.
the more I re-watch it, the more I see that was catchable.
By the way there is no guarantee that SB takes that to the house if executed properly.
Just catch the damn ball and its a first down.
In a game where every Cowboy player was catching really poor throws from Dak...
There is no excuse for SB to drop that.
It would have been great catch by Saqoun. it was poor throw, and if it was a better throw, Barkley has a huge gain or possibly scores. Jones was off on those throws out in the flat all day yestrday.
I don’t know how to post a photo here but I have a photo of the ball right on his right hip as he drops it….
I don’t know if you’ve played football at all, but you can’t expect every throw to be perfect, especially quick plays like that. As you can see #6 on Dallas had a free untouched shot to Jones on his blindside and hit him just after release. Plus the DE guy was enough in his passing lane that Jones had to be concerned. It was not as easy as you make it out to be. But again, he has to catch that ball.
I’m not sure why you find all fault with Jones and none with Saquon, but so be it…
Both players are at fault.
I also want to add - Barkley may be able to do a lot of damage in the receiving game but he has very average hands. He’s not an elite receiving back like Kamara, Swift, Ekeler etc. Hes had a lot of terrible drops like this and I kind of wish the coaches didn’t have so much faith in him.
People were saying all week to get Barkley involved in
the passing game. He can't catch and he was slipping even on his early runs in that game. Even if Jones throws a perfect pass, I have my doubts that Saquon catches it. He is close to the league lead in drops.
Easier said than done. I seen Payton Brees, and Brady miss on short passes.
Clock was ticking defense got a good jump, and Barkley could have caught it.
Another few wins will place in the position where drafting a QB next season could be a reach. Jones has handled the media well, I except him to be here next season if the deal is right. We have so many needs to fill on both sides of the ball.
Not certain if Barkley will be here if he wants top RB dollar either.
but the linked slow mo replay shows it clearly was. The trajectory of the throw shifted down towards Barkley’s feet, right after it passed Lawrence. Unfortunate!
Its been speculated Demarcus Lawrence got a tip on it....and the ball starting to wobble kinda shows that. If DJ puts that in "right spot" it gets batted down.
Now I remember trying to explain that on the failed 2 pt play against the Bucs a year or two back (and that one was much clear) but this is a good reason why I don't pay attention to people on QB play that they don't even understand how teams play on 4th and short and goalline situations. Demarcus Lawrence tip this? - ( New Window )
Wow, what's interesting to me about the video in that link is Daniel's eyes..I believe he was looking in the center of the field to create a throwing lane. He didn't look at Saquon until his arm was already forward and about to release the ball.
I'm in the camp of they both screwed up...but Saquon could've overcome it with a fairly routine catch.
I also want to add - Barkley may be able to do a lot of damage in the receiving game but he has very average hands. He’s not an elite receiving back like Kamara, Swift, Ekeler etc. Hes had a lot of terrible drops like this and I kind of wish the coaches didn’t have so much faith in him.
Barkley's hands receiving have always been a mixed bag, I'll never forget that day Eli would've been 18/18 vs SF I think if SB doesn't drop a ball in the 4th quarter.
An easy SB drop prevented Eli from having the only 100% passing game in the history of the league if I'm not mistaken.
But has anyone mentioned that this was the 3rd such pass by DJ of the night? The first one was to James in the flat earlier in the game and he badly missed him. Then he had the same pass to James in the flat and James had to make an amazing catch, twisting his body and still landing and lunging to get the first down. Then the 4th down pass to Barkley.
Now I believe on the two pass to James DJ had pressure coming at him. But if Barkley is expected to make a catch of a ball thrown behind him, shouldn’t DJ be expected to complete a 4 yard pass with or without pressure?
but the linked slow mo replay shows it clearly was. The trajectory of the throw shifted down towards Barkley’s feet, right after it passed Lawrence. Unfortunate!
The original play angle shows that Lawrence's hand was nowhere near the ball.
There is no alternate reality where Lawrence tipped the ball. And both angles, taken together, show Gallimore #96 didn't tip it either.
I have indexed to the play. Use the settings to slow it down if you really need to be convinced.
Shit.
Yes, it would have been better if the ball was led to the other side hip, but that pass was still 100% catchable for a 1st down at least. Maybe if Saquon was being paid 10-12M per year you might then agree.
Don’t see that. Ball still in a perfect spiral. Could have kept Jones from leading Barkley more
felt the pressure of #6 Donovan Wilson bearing down on him and thus maybe rushed that pass a tad?
By the way there is no guarantee that SB takes that to the house if executed properly.
Just catch the damn ball and its a first down.
In a game where every Cowboy player was catching really poor throws from Dak...
There is no excuse for SB to drop that.
By the way there is no guarantee that SB takes that to the house if executed properly.
Just catch the damn ball and its a first down.
In a game where every Cowboy player was catching really poor throws from Dak...
There is no excuse for SB to drop that.
Absolutely agree. It hit him in the damn hands! Just make the friggin catch and get the 1st down. I'm sorry but that's unexcusable.
I felt this way too. Seemed like desperation too soon in the game.
The throw could have also been better but if Jones throws the pass to lead Barkley, the ball almost certainly gets batted down. But some people just can’t view the play in its entirety and prefer just to make comments like “Just an awful miss by Jones”.
and that is all.
That's all we needed at that moment...
The kind of play you would expect Franchise Tag-type players to make, not alone one of them.
Ok but, your argument is a better pass would have been a touchdown and even if catches this pass it is just a first down... He fucking didn't catch it period! The first down is more important than woulda coulda argument. The TD argument only matters IF Barkley catches the ball for a first down. By not catching it at all the argument is 100% on what could have been if we got a first down there!
It was a tipped pass, pass looked on target before Lawrence tipped it, Barkley had to try a miracle, it happens. Btw having 10 players on the field in that moment is inexcusable.
https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/z491tr/highlight_demarcus_lawrence_crucial_deflection_to/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
It was a tipped pass, pass looked on target before Lawrence tipped it, Barkley had to try a miracle, it happens. Btw having 10 players on the field in that moment is inexcusable.
https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/z491tr/highlight_demarcus_lawrence_crucial_deflection_to/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Deceptive angle. It's clear from the other angle that Lawrence could not have touched it.
Still 10 players on the field is inexcusable, it was a terrible pass by DJ that killed any big gain chance but it was also bad adjustment by SB that should've converted the 4th.
Overall it was a game we needed 0 mistakes to win and we had a few, it happens.
Deceptive angle. It's clear from the other angle that Lawrence could not have touched it.
I agree, my bad.
This offense has limited chances to make big plays, and this one was a layup. Have to get it.
By the way there is no guarantee that SB takes that to the house if executed properly.
Just catch the damn ball and its a first down.
In a game where every Cowboy player was catching really poor throws from Dak...
There is no excuse for SB to drop that.
It would have been great catch by Saqoun. it was poor throw, and if it was a better throw, Barkley has a huge gain or possibly scores. Jones was off on those throws out in the flat all day yestrday.
By the way there is no guarantee that SB takes that to the house if executed properly.
Just catch the damn ball and its a first down.
In a game where every Cowboy player was catching really poor throws from Dak...
There is no excuse for SB to drop that.
Cowboys WIDE RECEIVERS were catching everything
Saquon is not a WR
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the more I re-watch it, the more I see that was catchable.
By the way there is no guarantee that SB takes that to the house if executed properly.
Just catch the damn ball and its a first down.
In a game where every Cowboy player was catching really poor throws from Dak...
There is no excuse for SB to drop that.
It would have been great catch by Saqoun. it was poor throw, and if it was a better throw, Barkley has a huge gain or possibly scores. Jones was off on those throws out in the flat all day yestrday.
I don’t know how to post a photo here but I have a photo of the ball right on his right hip as he drops it….
I don’t know if you’ve played football at all, but you can’t expect every throw to be perfect, especially quick plays like that. As you can see #6 on Dallas had a free untouched shot to Jones on his blindside and hit him just after release. Plus the DE guy was enough in his passing lane that Jones had to be concerned. It was not as easy as you make it out to be. But again, he has to catch that ball.
I’m not sure why you find all fault with Jones and none with Saquon, but so be it…
Now I remember trying to explain that on the failed 2 pt play against the Bucs a year or two back (and that one was much clear) but this is a good reason why I don't pay attention to people on QB play that they don't even understand how teams play on 4th and short and goalline situations.
Demarcus Lawrence tip this? - ( New Window )
The entire process failed there. Daboll/Kafka, Jones and Barkley all deserve some heat for that. I don't necessarily disagree with going for it there, but they couldn't afford to piss the chance away with mistakes and that's what they did all the way around.
I’m not sure why you find all fault with Jones and none with Saquon, but so be it…
We fault DJ because he threw a bad ball.
It's just cliche to say "if it hits you in the hands, you should catch it". That's what people on TV say.
Let's say me and you are standing 5 yards apart from each other and I throw a ball at you with all my force. It hits you in the hands but you don't catch it. I just can't say "bro, it hit you in the hands, catch it"
Cause you're gonna be like "dude, you threw it 100 miles an hour, what you expect"
Now I remember trying to explain that on the failed 2 pt play against the Bucs a year or two back (and that one was much clear) but this is a good reason why I don't pay attention to people on QB play that they don't even understand how teams play on 4th and short and goalline situations. Demarcus Lawrence tip this? - ( New Window )
Already been discussed in the thread. Other angle is absolutely clear that Lawrence could not have tipped.
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the more I re-watch it, the more I see that was catchable.
By the way there is no guarantee that SB takes that to the house if executed properly.
Just catch the damn ball and its a first down.
In a game where every Cowboy player was catching really poor throws from Dak...
There is no excuse for SB to drop that.
It would have been great catch by Saqoun. it was poor throw, and if it was a better throw, Barkley has a huge gain or possibly scores. Jones was off on those throws out in the flat all day yestrday.
I don’t know how to post a photo here but I have a photo of the ball right on his right hip as he drops it….
I don’t know if you’ve played football at all, but you can’t expect every throw to be perfect, especially quick plays like that. As you can see #6 on Dallas had a free untouched shot to Jones on his blindside and hit him just after release. Plus the DE guy was enough in his passing lane that Jones had to be concerned. It was not as easy as you make it out to be. But again, he has to catch that ball.
I’m not sure why you find all fault with Jones and none with Saquon, but so be it…
Both players are at fault.
I also want to add - Barkley may be able to do a lot of damage in the receiving game but he has very average hands. He’s not an elite receiving back like Kamara, Swift, Ekeler etc. Hes had a lot of terrible drops like this and I kind of wish the coaches didn’t have so much faith in him.
It was actually a poor pass. An NFL starting QB should make that one.
Clock was ticking defense got a good jump, and Barkley could have caught it.
Another few wins will place in the position where drafting a QB next season could be a reach. Jones has handled the media well, I except him to be here next season if the deal is right. We have so many needs to fill on both sides of the ball.
Not certain if Barkley will be here if he wants top RB dollar either.
He is a RB that can catch out of the backfield not some dual threat offensive dynamo.
Now I remember trying to explain that on the failed 2 pt play against the Bucs a year or two back (and that one was much clear) but this is a good reason why I don't pay attention to people on QB play that they don't even understand how teams play on 4th and short and goalline situations. Demarcus Lawrence tip this? - ( New Window )
Wow, what's interesting to me about the video in that link is Daniel's eyes..I believe he was looking in the center of the field to create a throwing lane. He didn't look at Saquon until his arm was already forward and about to release the ball.
I'm in the camp of they both screwed up...but Saquon could've overcome it with a fairly routine catch.
Both players are at fault.
I also want to add - Barkley may be able to do a lot of damage in the receiving game but he has very average hands. He’s not an elite receiving back like Kamara, Swift, Ekeler etc. Hes had a lot of terrible drops like this and I kind of wish the coaches didn’t have so much faith in him.
Barkley's hands receiving have always been a mixed bag, I'll never forget that day Eli would've been 18/18 vs SF I think if SB doesn't drop a ball in the 4th quarter.
An easy SB drop prevented Eli from having the only 100% passing game in the history of the league if I'm not mistaken.
Now I believe on the two pass to James DJ had pressure coming at him. But if Barkley is expected to make a catch of a ball thrown behind him, shouldn’t DJ be expected to complete a 4 yard pass with or without pressure?
The original play angle shows that Lawrence's hand was nowhere near the ball.
There is no alternate reality where Lawrence tipped the ball. And both angles, taken together, show Gallimore #96 didn't tip it either.
I have indexed to the play. Use the settings to slow it down if you really need to be convinced.
link - ( New Window )