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We have the best DB coaching in the NFL

Joey in VA : 11/25/2022 12:48 pm
Yesterday's Turkey ruining result aside for a moment and yes the 2nd half was bad, but consider what we did for 30 minutes yesterday. Our top 3, THREE CBs were out, our top S was out and their replacements were a Jets castoff in Jason Pinnock, two rookies in Dane Belton and Cordale Flott and Bills castoff Nick McCloud. On a short week, on the road, Jerome Henderson got that bunch of kids and castoffs ready to go up a loaded Dallas offense. Notably, Flott and McCloud were sticky in the first half, only losing out to Gallup and Lamb because of size, experience and overall physical ability. An argument can be made that if healthy, Adoree, Aaron Robinson and Fabian Moreau make those plays that Flott and McCloud couldn't.

The fact that we didn't get run out of that building is a testament to the best position coach we have and who may be the best DB coach in the entire league. Adoree Jackson and Fabian Moreau have played their best ball under him this season, they look like totally different players under his tutelage. It's rough out there right now, but take solace in knowing that Henderson is not only a great teacher, but a great talent evaluator and our DB future with him here is rock solid.
I find myself  
46and2Blue : 11/25/2022 1:03 pm : link
watching these games and thinking, imagine if these coaches had solid NFL talent on the field, (or if our players were not constantly hurt instead) of waiver wire adds. I thought they made the cowboys pay for every inch in the first half.
I agree  
mittenedman : 11/25/2022 1:07 pm : link
In general, I feel we have the coaching staff in place. They are getting the most out of these players. Now we need to provide them with a good roster, and guys who can stay on the field.
Guys have stepped  
gary_from_chester : 11/25/2022 1:10 pm : link
In and played well. By all accounts, Henderson is highly regarded. Career years for Adoree and Julian.

Makes you wonder how our LB are being used. A poor performing unit, and we’ve relegated Coughlin and Cam Brown to special teams only. Coughlin got some run with the inside backers in preseason. Not sure who coaches that unit… but McFadden has looked so lost out there. Smith is hit or miss, same with Crowder. Big reason our run d is so poor.
The way modern offenses run  
mittenedman : 11/25/2022 1:16 pm : link
Really good, really fast sideline to sideline LBs are critical. Remember when Wink said "if you have a slow MLB, you have a slow defense".

CB is a glaring hole, but I think the Giants will place a high priority on a 3-down MLB who can run. The Ravens always seem to have one. They're tough to get - but they can easily upgrade what they have now, which will help.
There were a lot of knee jerk comments in the game thread  
widmerseyebrow : 11/25/2022 1:42 pm : link
about the defensive coaching. When the bullets are flying, everyone disregards the injury report. I agree that they held up about as well as anyone could have hoped. Sometimes you gotta score more than 20 points to win a game.
The Giants have been playing games wit 2 and 3's on the field,  
Jack Stroud : 11/25/2022 1:46 pm : link
I think they are playing as well as they can for who they are.
It was very clear  
pjcas18 : 11/25/2022 1:47 pm : link
to most who watched the game and who watched this team the past decade, the second half, while a beating, was different than other losses.

so often even the announcers commented how good the coverage was. To me the key is the players were well-coached, but just physically mis-matched which is kind of obvious and aligns with the OP.

which is why Holmes covering Lamb to me is not on Holmes like most wanted to blame. Holmes, IMO, just is not a good matchup vs Lamb. But given the circumstances he was probably the best option.

In the past we would see massively confused players all over the field, blown coverages, and wide open receivers, which was not the case yesterday.
They had a 3 down LB  
Dave on the UWS : 11/25/2022 1:49 pm : link
In Beavers but he missed the season.
Good thread. The 2nd and 3rd string db's are playing much better  
Ira : 11/25/2022 2:28 pm : link
than we could expect.
Just watching the game live  
Bill in UT : 11/25/2022 2:43 pm : link
it seemed like most of the DBs were doing as well as you could hope for. The Dallas receivers aren't slouches. Pinnock, though, seemed to have a tough game, covering and tackling.
I can’t figure what about Coughlin’s game discourages the coaches  
Ivan15 : 11/25/2022 3:10 pm : link
From giving him more playing time as ILB. Too slow, too small, poor or slow recognition? He deserves a look.
RE: I can’t figure what about Coughlin’s game discourages the coaches  
Bill in UT : 11/25/2022 3:17 pm : link
In comment 15922254 Ivan15 said:
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From giving him more playing time as ILB. Too slow, too small, poor or slow recognition? He deserves a look.


I haven't seen enough of Coughlin to give a complete answer, but for starters he's too slow. Seeing who's getting the playing time, I'd have to think he's even slower than McFadden.
RE: RE: I can’t figure what about Coughlin’s game discourages the coaches  
pjcas18 : 11/25/2022 3:25 pm : link
In comment 15922261 Bill in UT said:
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In comment 15922254 Ivan15 said:


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From giving him more playing time as ILB. Too slow, too small, poor or slow recognition? He deserves a look.



I haven't seen enough of Coughlin to give a complete answer, but for starters he's too slow. Seeing who's getting the playing time, I'd have to think he's even slower than McFadden.


not in 40 time, at least not per combine/pro days.
Coughlin was a tiny edge rusher  
CMicks3110 : 11/25/2022 3:46 pm : link
At Minnesota. He’s built physically like an ILB, but he’s mentally tuned as a pass rusher. So he just doesn’t have the instincts for the position. But his speed makes him a decent ST asset.
RE: They had a 3 down LB  
GiantGrit : 11/25/2022 4:15 pm : link
In comment 15922162 Dave on the UWS said:
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In Beavers but he missed the season.


Regardless the ILB needs more talent, even at backup.

Life, Death, Taxes, The Giants being injured and also weak at ILB and covering TE's
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