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The Giants Need to Figure Out This Injury Situation

nyjuggernaut2 : 11/25/2022 1:09 pm
I know the motto is "every team deals with injuries in the NFL", and although that is true, it is not normal for a team to consistently finish in the top 10 of most injured players year after year. These numbers don't lie...

HIGHEST NUMBER OF INJURIES PER YEAR

2022-23 Giants - currently 4th in NFL
2021-22 Giants - 1st in NFL
2020-21 Giants - 9th in NFL
2019-20 Giants - 8th in NFL

And this is the most concerning stat...

The New York Giants are 1st in the NFL in the number of games missed by injured players since the 2009 season

It just boggles my mind how unlucky this team gets with injuries. Evan Neal never misses a game in his life, and can't even last half a season without getting hurt while on the Giants. Same goes for Shane Lemieux. And it's not just recently. Think back to other players since 2009 who had promising careers derailed by injury. Kenny Phillips, Steve Smith, David Wilson, etc.

Hopefully Joe Schoen and Co. can figure out the underlying issue behind the injury bug the Giants have been dealing with, because it's hard enough to win in the NFL, especially when you lose so many players throughout the season like they have.
That statistic of the percentage of snaps played by the Cowboys  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 11/25/2022 1:24 pm : link
OL was a kick in the balls. The only lineman to miss any real time is Tyron Smith and he’s been replaced by a guy who started last season (they moved LG to LT).

Meanwhile the Giants are on their 4th string left guard.
Fwiw…  
monstercoo : 11/25/2022 1:35 pm : link
Maybe these stats aren’t telling the full story. Since we’ve had a terrible roster, maybe we rotate players less often than other teams and the increased playtime leads to more injuries? I don’t know if there are any stats that support that.
The Giants have had injury issues  
Hades07 : 11/25/2022 1:40 pm : link
going all the way back to Fassel's time here.
My DI told me if I am going to bring him a problem I should also  
Jack Stroud : 11/25/2022 1:43 pm : link
bring him a solution. What is your solution?
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Named Later : 11/25/2022 1:53 pm : link
Could we please see that bubble chart showing all the team's injuries again ??

Why are the Giants always at the worst end of that chart every fucking year ??

Is there something fundamentally wrong with the FieldTurf that they're using ?? That is a $2 Billion Stadium....can't they put a better 'rug' down ??

Is the MatrixTurf that the Cowboys use that much better ?? Jerrah holds all kinds of events in that ballpark.
RE: My DI told me if I am going to bring him a problem I should also  
nyjuggernaut2 : 11/25/2022 1:54 pm : link
In comment 15922146 Jack Stroud said:
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bring him a solution. What is your solution?


Analyze the strength and conditioning program and see if there is something they aren’t doing, doing to little of, or doing too much of that is causing these muscles issues. Continue to research the playing field and figure out what’s the best option moving forward. Go outside of the complex and research teams who have ranked amongst the lowest in injuries and see if there are things within their strength and conditioning programs that could help improve ours.

There’s a plethora of data and analytics available nowadays to help assist in finding solutions, and I’m sure Schoen and Co will continue to invest time and resources into improving this area. I’m just venting my concerns as a fan. It’s tough watching a team you root for play when half of their starters are 3rd/4th stringers.
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Named Later : 11/25/2022 2:11 pm : link
There are quite a few cold weather teams playing on real grass......


Arizona Cardinals - State Farm Stadium, Bermuda grass
Baltimore Ravens - M&T Bank Stadium, Bermuda grass
Chicago Bears - Soldier Field, Kentucky bluegrass
Cleveland Browns - FirstEnergy Stadium, Kentucky bluegrass
Denver Broncos - Empower Field at Mile High, Kentucky bluegrass
Green Bay Packers - Lambeau Field, Desso GrassMasterPro
Indianapolis Colts - Lucas Oil Stadium, Shaw Sports Momentum
Jacksonville Jaguars - TIAA Bank Field, Bermuda grass
Kansas City Chiefs - Arrowhead Stadium, Bermuda grass
Las Vegas Raiders - Allegiant Stadium, Bermuda grass
Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Raymond James Stadium, Bermuda grass
Tennessee Titans - Nissan Stadium, Bermuda grass
Washington Football Team - FedExField, Bermuda grass
Philadelphia Eagles, Lincoln Financial Field, Desso GrassMaster
Pittsburgh Steelers, Heinz Field, Kentucky bluegrass
San Francisco 49ers, Levi’s Stadium, Bermuda grass, Perennial Ryegrass mixture


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Named Later : 11/25/2022 2:33 pm : link
Well, it can't be just the field surface.
Per the latest 'Man Games Lost' Bubble Chart, the Jets have the 4th fewest at 77.

The Giants have the most Man Games Lost at 153 -- Good Lord !!

NFL through week 11, Bottom 5, least games missed by injured players and health protocols

JAX 38
KAN 63
PHI 72
NYJ 77
CHI BUF GNB 83
If it was metlife turf  
uther99 : 11/25/2022 3:32 pm : link
Jets would have the same injury issues. Giants practice field is grass.
Agree..  
prdave73 : 11/25/2022 4:09 pm : link
It’s getting out of hand every year..
fire everyone  
The Jake : 11/25/2022 4:18 pm : link
in the building who is involved in player strength and conditioning, off season training program, injury management and recovery. fire the team doctors and St. Ronnie Barnes. put HSS on notice that we’re considering other options. no exceptions. enough time and talented players’ careers have been wasted trying to “figure it out.” why would any talented player want to come here when he’s substantially more likely to blow out his knee?

there is nothing to figure out with this much data on the problem. we’re wayyyy beyond statistical anomaly. either you believe that the Giants sold the franchise’s soul to the boogeyman in exchange for the 2007 and 2011 Super Bowls, or you admit that we are the single worst team in the league when it comes to keeping players healthy. if it’s the latter, fire everyone.
Yep, I know Dallas lost Dak for a few games  
bceagle05 : 11/25/2022 4:32 pm : link
but it's Thanksgiving and it feels like they're at full strength - OL is healthy, Dak is back, Pollard and Zeke in the backfield, Gallup and Lamb outside, a million healthy tight ends. Defense too, for the most part. We can barely field a team.
Aaron Wellman  
GiantGrit : 11/25/2022 4:47 pm : link
Seems like things got better when he was here under Benny Mac.
injuries  
adice : 11/26/2022 9:05 am : link
May have been addressed elsewhere but what has the conditioning team said or suggested about injuries?
RE: injuries  
The Jake : 11/26/2022 12:54 pm : link
In comment 15922737 adice said:
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May have been addressed elsewhere but what has the conditioning team said or suggested about injuries?


you assume they are allowed to speak to the press. they ain’t.
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fanatic II : 11/26/2022 3:32 pm : link
In comment 15922163 Named Later said:
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Could we please see that bubble chart showing all the team's injuries again ??

Why are the Giants always at the worst end of that chart every fucking year ??

Is there something fundamentally wrong with the FieldTurf that they're using ?? That is a $2 Billion Stadium....can't they put a better 'rug' down ??

Is the MatrixTurf that the Cowboys use that much better ?? Jerrah holds all kinds of events in that ballpark.


AT&T stadium actually has three different surfaces. The football field, the grass soccer field, and an all terrain surface for other events.
I think the Giants have figured out being injured pretty good  
Larry in Pencilvania : 11/26/2022 7:04 pm : link
They should start concentrating on the staying healthy thing
They've always figured it wasn't an issue they needed to figure out,  
Mad Mike : 11/26/2022 8:00 pm : link
but now that you've identified it as a need, they're on it.
I don't think being 1st in injuries over a time span  
NoGainDayne : 11/26/2022 8:45 pm : link
is the concern. Some team has to be last.

It is actually the combination of how much turnover the Giants have had on the roster AND the fact that they are consistently bad in this area that seems to strongly point to some problem in process.

This kind of reminds me of when people would act like DG had a plan or some level of competence due to professional credentials.

Sometimes you have to look at the results objectively and the results strongly suggest our medical and or training staff is doing something quite wrong. (The Jets not having the same problems kind of flies in the face of any field base theories)
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