either DJ or Barkley for the failed 4th and 1 play.
Everyone is saying that was a critical moment in the game and on that play, there were only 10 men on the field. We all know it is hard enough for them to play 11 on 11.
Why didn't Daboll especially Kafka notice/see that since he called the play and call timeout. Kafka could have radioed down to Daboll to call timeout. We all know that Daboll is doing a masterful job with the personnel they have but they need to take responsibility for that missed 4th play especially Kafka. I think Kafka playing calling/game plan has also been bad since the Seahawk game.
If anything, you wanted to get the play off as quickly as possible, since Dallas wasn't in optimal position to defend it. A better pass, and Barkley's probably still running.
If anything, you wanted to get the play off as quickly as possible, since Dallas wasn't in optimal position to defend it. A better pass, and Barkley's probably still running.
I totally disagree. Not having the right offensive players on the field to pass block or receive a pass affects the outcome of the play. That missing person could have been a player pass blocking so DJ can make the pass better. Remember there was a defender in front of DJ when he threw the pass. It was a 4th down play and if Dallas was not in optimal position they would have called timeout.
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didn't affect the outcome, so far as I can see.
If anything, you wanted to get the play off as quickly as possible, since Dallas wasn't in optimal position to defend it. A better pass, and Barkley's probably still running.
I totally disagree. Not having the right offensive players on the field to pass block or receive a pass affects the outcome of the play. That missing person could have been a player pass blocking so DJ can make the pass better. Remember there was a defender in front of DJ when he threw the pass. It was a 4th down play and if Dallas was not in optimal position they would have called timeout.
+1. The whole debacle was caused because someone rushing got in Jones face. If he had a clearer path the Barkley I be he throws a better pass
Regardless if he was open or not. It was after the fact.
A timeout should have been called to get the right personnel on the field for the 4th down play before the play was executed.
If not, why don't we just play 10 on 11 on every play. Point being, it was a critical play and moment, you call a timeout to get the personnel on the field and the best people knowing they only had 10 men on the field was the coaches. What was the coaches doing during the 25 seconds?
I hear you.
The excuses (not just for this play) are really starting to get silly.
Got it.
Got it.
Is anything ever DJs fault? It's unbelievable...every bad throw is a drop, every sack is on the OLine (no matter how long he hold the ball), 28th in passing...not the QBs fault, all on the WRs. Saquon is top 5 in yards rushing, but some of you really think DJ is as important?
The excuses never end and the production NEVER happens...except in mop up time. DJ hasn't been impressive throwing the ball since the Green Bay game.
That's why neither not being here next year will not bother me in the least.
If your best players on offense cannot execute that play then they are part of the problem not part of the solution.
I mean the coach goes for it, the play is wide open, and your two best players screw the play up. Last nail in the coffin.
If Barkley and Jones want to be on this team next year they need to step it up big time. Schoen is not laying out money for crap play.
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didn't affect the outcome, so far as I can see.
If anything, you wanted to get the play off as quickly as possible, since Dallas wasn't in optimal position to defend it. A better pass, and Barkley's probably still running.
I totally disagree. Not having the right offensive players on the field to pass block or receive a pass affects the outcome of the play. That missing person could have been a player pass blocking so DJ can make the pass better. Remember there was a defender in front of DJ when he threw the pass. It was a 4th down play and if Dallas was not in optimal position they would have called timeout.
Nobody is defending being one player short as a matter of principle. The point is, in this particular case, it's difficult to see how it made a difference in the play. You can't possibly know that it did without knowing who the missing player was.
Giants need more “go to” plays and “go to” players.
That's why neither not being here next year will not bother me in the least.
If your best players on offense cannot execute that play then they are part of the problem not part of the solution.
I mean the coach goes for it, the play is wide open, and your two best players screw the play up. Last nail in the coffin.
If Barkley and Jones want to be on this team next year they need to step it up big time. Schoen is not laying out money for crap play.
Wow! Cherry picking a play to validate your contention that Jones and Barkley are not needed by the Giants as players for the future , at best, is way too simplistic. You know sometimes people make a mistake and could cost the team a game. Yes the botched pass was probably the turning point in the game but to use that one play to dismiss their body of work is too much for me to take. Let the coaches evaluate the whole season of Jones and Barkley's play and determine if they meet the team needs and are affordable.
If you want to kill Jones say he doesnt have the ability to drop in arm angle or scramble to change the timing.
Lawrence Tips Fourth and 1 Barkley drop. - ( New Window )
Lawrence Tips Fourth and 1 Barkley drop. - ( New Window )
Not even close. Watch the link (it's timestamped to the play, and slow the video down to 0.25 speed.
Link - ( New Window )
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Barkley gets two hands on the ball, and it's all on Jones.
Got it.
Is anything ever DJs fault? It's unbelievable...every bad throw is a drop, every sack is on the OLine (no matter how long he hold the ball), 28th in passing...not the QBs fault, all on the WRs. Saquon is top 5 in yards rushing, but some of you really think DJ is as important?
The excuses never end and the production NEVER happens...except in mop up time. DJ hasn't been impressive throwing the ball since the Green Bay game.
Yes it was an awful throw. If the pas is on the Money Hands of Stone Barkley probably goes a long way provided he doesn't drop it.
But Barkley did let the ball go through both hands. IS this the 1st time you watched football?--> Bad throws can be caught. It's what PROS do. HE had both hands on the football.
Stop your typical blathering nonsense.
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Barkley gets two hands on the ball, and it's all on Jones.
Got it.
Is anything ever DJs fault? It's unbelievable...every bad throw is a drop, every sack is on the OLine (no matter how long he hold the ball), 28th in passing...not the QBs fault, all on the WRs. Saquon is top 5 in yards rushing, but some of you really think DJ is as important?
The excuses never end and the production NEVER happens...except in mop up time. DJ hasn't been impressive throwing the ball since the Green Bay game.
Yes it was an awful throw. If the pas is on the Money Hands of Stone Barkley probably goes a long way provided he doesn't drop it.
But Barkley did let the ball go through both hands. IS this the 1st time you watched football?--> Bad throws can be caught. It's what PROS do. HE had both hands on the football.
Stop your typical blathering nonsense.
Another long-winded DJ excuse...plenty of those in these threads. The catch rate on that throw is probably less than 25% (you'd never catch it, even if given 100 tries)...but blame Barkley. Makes sense!
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Yes it was an awful throw. If the pas is on the Money Hands of Stone Barkley probably goes a long way provided he doesn't drop it.
But Barkley did let the ball go through both hands. IS this the 1st time you watched football?--> Bad throws can be caught. It's what PROS do. HE had both hands on the football.
Stop your typical blathering nonsense.
Another long-winded DJ excuse...plenty of those in these threads. The catch rate on that throw is probably less than 25% (you'd never catch it, even if given 100 tries)...but blame Barkley. Makes sense!
MMore bullshitters like you. SO full of crap. Willfully blinded to see Barkley had the ball
It's laughable that someone ;like you has an iota of a clue of % catch rates. You think because you pop out a number out of thin air it has any meaning???? What do you know about %catch rate? LMAO. There is delusion and it's clearly you. LMAO you know of % catch rate.
FACT: The ball was above his knees and went right through his hands. FACT.
LMAO - you specifically numbering a % catch rate. You chose a number off the top of your head! We can’t make this comedy stuff up from you guys.
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it to wobble a little and that messed up the catch.
Lawrence Tips Fourth and 1 Barkley drop. - ( New Window )
Not even close. Watch the link (it's timestamped to the play, and slow the video down to 0.25 speed. Link - ( New Window )
Good find thanks. You should really start your own thread on this sub nce some seem to think this is the defining play on whether Jones is resigned
If this was his second year it would be a different discussion, but it’s not. He’s not under contract next season.
Jones needs to throw a better ball
Barkley needs to catch a ball he got 2 hands on
That’s it