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Matt@MattD366 Daniel Jones has a 6-24 record in games where he has had to throw the ball 32 or more times. NFL teams have averaged 32 or more pass attempts per game every year since 2005. Jones led offenses have failed to score 20 points in 17 of those 30 games. #giants |
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Those stats says nothing giving the full picture.
How many years have a certain segment of BBIers been saying some variation of this?
It's always another season...
And 3rd down conversions (minimum 31 throws) but only from this season.
Any other stats are unreliable and must be dismissed.
Fill in the excuse du jour.
How dare anyone consider the circumstances!
And any attempt to remake the 2000 Ravens is totally idiotic. We have better odds of drafting the next Pat Mahomes than we do banking on building the 2000 Ravens roster, a once in a generation event, to support a middling QB like Jones in a successful Super Bowl run.
When teams are losing, they throw more often, when teams are winning, they run the ball more. I'm not saying he's a franchise QB, I'm just saying stats don't tell the full story.
Exactly my thoughts.
I’m sure many dreamed of fumbles and interceptions and a juicy, embarrassing blow out loss in prime time. 10 glorious days of shitting on the QB for losing the game and proving what the smartest evaluators already know. I am truly sorry for your loss
Buck up campers. We still have 2 games with the eagles. We could still collapse down the stretch. So many things to look forward to. Hope springs eternal
Blame whatever you want - Jones has not shown he can sustain a real aerial attack
Pickett doesn't have mastery of his bowel movements in the NFL.
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Ball security and decision making from last year to this year. I would contend he will be even better next year. Perhaps a franchise tag would be the right call. Get him some weapons and another season in this system and then see where we are.
It's always another season...
Hardly an excuse. there has been a palpable improvement from last year to this year. Surely one cannot make an argument that he is playing with high caliber receivers right now. And yeah. We have a good coach and OC in place now. So maybe one more season is what it takes.
B. Teams throw the ball more when they are trailing.
C. The Giants throw less when they are winning, because the strength of their team is Barkley and the running game.
Not to be redundant but asking him to win games dropping back and throwing to the receivers and TE's hes had in his 4 years here, with mostly awful pass pro, is asking alot.
Even guys like Mahomes & Allen wouldn't look great with Darius Slayton, Hodgins, James, Marcus Johnson, Golladay, and Cager as their primary receiving weapons.
For all of the people who think the Giants should move on from Jones, I challenge you to find a better solution- I don't see anyone in FA, and don't think a trade up is realistic. Giants likely picking somewhere around #20, and alot of teams at the top of the draft (ATL, CAR, HOU off the top of my head) are even more desperate for a QB than they are.
As dumb as Francesa is, I don't even think he's dumb enough to do that.
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Ball security and decision making from last year to this year. I would contend he will be even better next year. Perhaps a franchise tag would be the right call. Get him some weapons and another season in this system and then see where we are.
It's always another season...
Hardly an excuse. there has been a palpable improvement from last year to this year. Surely one cannot make an argument that he is playing with high caliber receivers right now. And yeah. We have a good coach and OC in place now. So maybe one more season is what it takes.
He’s not under contract.
Blame whatever you want - Jones has not shown he can sustain a real aerial attack
Sustain it with what? Where in the NFL do you see passing games being sustained with horrendous offensive linemen and nonexistent talent at wide receiver? Forget Daniel Jones was ever born… please edify me on where in the sport you see someone succeeding with similar talent to the Giants.
If you guys think the next QB is coming in and turning this same group into a high flying offense, you’re out of your fucking minds.
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this is a stat that cannot stand
Blame whatever you want - Jones has not shown he can sustain a real aerial attack
Sustain it with what? Where in the NFL do you see passing games being sustained with horrendous offensive linemen and nonexistent talent at wide receiver? Forget Daniel Jones was ever born… please edify me on where in the sport you see someone succeeding with similar talent to the Giants.
If you guys think the next QB is coming in and turning this same group into a high flying offense, you’re out of your fucking minds.
Well, LOL...
He'd be a lot cheaper for the same production.
He's not playing a 4th place schedule either.
And made almost zero improvement in passing yards and passing TDs.
Tagging DJ would be an anchor this team would struggle with for years because it would give Schoen no money to work with. Think about what you're saying...you want to pay a QB worse than Dak, Dak money? That's a Gettleman move!
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this is a stat that cannot stand
Blame whatever you want - Jones has not shown he can sustain a real aerial attack
Sustain it with what? Where in the NFL do you see passing games being sustained with horrendous offensive linemen and nonexistent talent at wide receiver? Forget Daniel Jones was ever born… please edify me on where in the sport you see someone succeeding with similar talent to the Giants.
If you guys think the next QB is coming in and turning this same group into a high flying offense, you’re out of your fucking minds.
That's the thing, you have no idea if that's true or not. Draft a QB, and if you hit, this team could be a SB contender in 2-3 years. Keep DJ and it'll still be average in 3 years.
I’m sure many dreamed of fumbles and interceptions and a juicy, embarrassing blow out loss in prime time. 10 glorious days of shitting on the QB for losing the game and proving what the smartest evaluators already know. I am truly sorry for your loss
Buck up campers. We still have 2 games with the eagles. We could still collapse down the stretch. So many things to look forward to. Hope springs eternal
There was only one off target pass?
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I guess he ain’t making chicken salad , huh?
You should check out strength of schedule. I mean it won’t fit your narrative so I doubt you will
NYG # 1 @ .68
LAC #26 @ .438
Do you like apples in your chicken salad?
He's not playing a 4th place schedule either.
I’m sure many dreamed of fumbles and interceptions and a juicy, embarrassing blow out loss in prime time. 10 glorious days of shitting on the QB for losing the game and proving what the smartest evaluators already know. I am truly sorry for your loss
Buck up campers. We still have 2 games with the eagles. We could still collapse down the stretch. So many things to look forward to. Hope springs eternal
I dream of multiple 300 yard passing games, 35+ passing TDs per year, a 30 point game at least once a year, and Saquon being able to run with 7 in the box.
Can't have it all, but in DJs case, can't have any of it.
Some people rather look good and lose than look bad and win
To each their own
I do. And I've said so previously.
Whether its the Giants or not, I believe that Jones will play in a Superbowl at some point in his career.
And you may not be wrong but there is a distinction.
As a fan we are certainly entitled to our opinions. Let’s be careful not to overvalue them
He's 18th in yards and 16th in attempts, that's with extra game (or two) more than a lot of the people ahead of him.
He's 19th in yds/attempt, which has actually gotten a bit better over the last three games.
Before these last two losses, he had three games with 20 or more completions. Against the Bears, he completed 8 passes.
When I watch him play, it seems to me like he simply lacks awareness of what's going on on the field. When I see him run the two minute drills, it always seems sloppy.
We can maybe win with a QB like this, if everything else falls into place, but we shouldn't give him a lot of money.
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So what are we talking about? There is a mountain of evidence that Daniel has serious flaws. Can he fix them? It's possible. But it is darned unlikely. Does he have a Trent Dilfer run in him? Perhaps, but we are not the 2000 Ravens. How many times do we have to be reminded of his limitations without it ever sinking in? We have seen what he is. His ceiling is a journeyman QB. He might be dragged to a Super Bowl but it is improbable he will ever lead anyone there.
I do. And I've said so previously.
Whether its the Giants or not, I believe that Jones will play in a Superbowl at some point in his career.
I wish I was your bookie!
I personally don’t assign full credit or blame to the QB. I view those a team stats. The coaches can assign blame and credit. Besides being qualified they actually know what was intended and who or what was the mistake.
WhAt I do know is we are in the mix with an undermanned AND injury ravaged roster. We beat some good teams already and come from behind 5 times.
Winning is the only sty that matters IMO.
Coaches have said repeatedly he’s playing exactly how we need him to play
The rest will take care of itself in the off season
The reason, it is not Daniel Jones but the New York Giants that are 6-24 when throwing 32+ times per game.
But, I have not yet seen a reason to believe that DJ is the answer to the Giants inability to be an effective passing team.