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Daniel Jones is 6-24 when throwing the ball 32 times or more

Sean : 11/25/2022 6:16 pm
Yet, NFL teams have averaged 32 more throwing attempts every year since 2005. NFL teams are averaging 33.5 pass attempts per year this season. This statistic is a major reason why I’m extremely hesitant to commit to Jones beyond this season.
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Daniel Jones has a 6-24 record in games where he has had to throw the ball 32 or more times. NFL teams have averaged 32 or more pass attempts per game every year since 2005.

Jones led offenses have failed to score 20 points in 17 of those 30 games. #giants


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Let me do a preemptive strike:  
bw in dc : 11/25/2022 6:22 pm : link
"Yeah, but Jones didn't have ____________."

Fill in the excuse du jour.
In those 30 games  
kcgiants : 11/25/2022 6:25 pm : link
who was his linesmen, receivers, TEs and especially his head coach?
Those stats says nothing giving the full picture.
*without giving the full picture  
kcgiants : 11/25/2022 6:26 pm : link
*
That’s the kind of stat  
mattlawson : 11/25/2022 6:26 pm : link
Francesca would go nuts on for 12 minutes
If he had to throw way above his average  
Bill in UT : 11/25/2022 6:31 pm : link
it would mean that the Giants were already far behind in those games.
Most times when you throw  
section125 : 11/25/2022 6:32 pm : link
a lot, you are losing. Different criteria for each team, but 32 throws is out of character for the Giants.
Your hesitant to commit to Jones? Well, than goodness you don't  
Jack Stroud : 11/25/2022 6:37 pm : link
make personnel decisions!
Does anyone believe that DJ will take a team to the Super Bowl?  
Atlantic : 11/25/2022 6:51 pm : link
So what are we talking about? There is a mountain of evidence that Daniel has serious flaws. Can he fix them? It's possible. But it is darned unlikely. Does he have a Trent Dilfer run in him? Perhaps, but we are not the 2000 Ravens. How many times do we have to be reminded of his limitations without it ever sinking in? We have seen what he is. His ceiling is a journeyman QB. He might be dragged to a Super Bowl but it is improbable he will ever lead anyone there.
...  
broadbandz : 11/25/2022 6:53 pm : link
Im glad im not going to even read this thread. Just put up Jones record. Its awful and everyone knows that. the giants have been awful for a long time.
Kenny Pickett would  
RAIN : 11/25/2022 6:56 pm : link
Have mastery over this offense.
DJ has made a significant improvement in  
DC Gmen Fan : 11/25/2022 6:56 pm : link
Ball security and decision making from last year to this year. I would contend he will be even better next year. Perhaps a franchise tag would be the right call. Get him some weapons and another season in this system and then see where we are.
RE: DJ has made a significant improvement in  
Jim in Tampa : 11/25/2022 7:02 pm : link
In comment 15922418 DC Gmen Fan said:
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Ball security and decision making from last year to this year. I would contend he will be even better next year. Perhaps a franchise tag would be the right call. Get him some weapons and another season in this system and then see where we are.

How many years have a certain segment of BBIers been saying some variation of this?
RE: DJ has made a significant improvement in  
bw in dc : 11/25/2022 7:05 pm : link
In comment 15922418 DC Gmen Fan said:
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Ball security and decision making from last year to this year. I would contend he will be even better next year. Perhaps a franchise tag would be the right call. Get him some weapons and another season in this system and then see where we are.


It's always another season...
Sorry. This stat doesn't count.  
Producer : 11/25/2022 7:09 pm : link
The only stats that count are deep ball accuracy (minimum 34 throws) but only from 2020.

And 3rd down conversions (minimum 31 throws) but only from this season.

Any other stats are unreliable and must be dismissed.
RE: Let me do a preemptive strike:  
mittenedman : 11/25/2022 7:11 pm : link
In comment 15922386 bw in dc said:
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"Yeah, but Jones didn't have ____________."

Fill in the excuse du jour.


How dare anyone consider the circumstances!
RE: Does anyone believe that DJ will take a team to the Super Bowl?  
Producer : 11/25/2022 7:13 pm : link
In comment 15922409 Atlantic said:
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So what are we talking about? There is a mountain of evidence that Daniel has serious flaws. Can he fix them? It's possible. But it is darned unlikely. Does he have a Trent Dilfer run in him? Perhaps, but we are not the 2000 Ravens. How many times do we have to be reminded of his limitations without it ever sinking in? We have seen what he is. His ceiling is a journeyman QB. He might be dragged to a Super Bowl but it is improbable he will ever lead anyone there.


And any attempt to remake the 2000 Ravens is totally idiotic. We have better odds of drafting the next Pat Mahomes than we do banking on building the 2000 Ravens roster, a once in a generation event, to support a middling QB like Jones in a successful Super Bowl run.
the problem with  
outeiroj : 11/25/2022 7:13 pm : link
raw data is that it can be skewed to fit whatever narative you want

When teams are losing, they throw more often, when teams are winning, they run the ball more. I'm not saying he's a franchise QB, I'm just saying stats don't tell the full story.

No,  
Gman11 : 11/25/2022 7:24 pm : link
the Giants are 6-24. This isn't tennis.
Not all  
MtDizzle : 11/25/2022 7:28 pm : link
his fault but the excuses for him are beyond tiring at this point.
RE: Not all  
Sean : 11/25/2022 7:30 pm : link
In comment 15922463 MtDizzle said:
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his fault but the excuses for him are beyond tiring at this point.

Exactly my thoughts.
It must be so disappointing  
dancing blue bear : 11/25/2022 7:46 pm : link
That all the whining and crying this week will have to be based on an off target pass that could have been caught

I’m sure many dreamed of fumbles and interceptions and a juicy, embarrassing blow out loss in prime time. 10 glorious days of shitting on the QB for losing the game and proving what the smartest evaluators already know. I am truly sorry for your loss

Buck up campers. We still have 2 games with the eagles. We could still collapse down the stretch. So many things to look forward to. Hope springs eternal
"Figures lie, and Liars figure." Mark Twain (or somebody like him,  
Waldo Jeffers : 11/25/2022 7:48 pm : link
like Abe Lincoln, or my second cousin on my Mother's side, Milt Salmanowitz.)
I'm just going to say one thing  
gidiefor : Mod : 11/25/2022 7:50 pm : link
this is a stat that cannot stand

Blame whatever you want - Jones has not shown he can sustain a real aerial attack
RE: Kenny Pickett would  
section125 : 11/25/2022 7:52 pm : link
In comment 15922417 RAIN said:
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Have mastery over this offense.


Pickett doesn't have mastery of his bowel movements in the NFL.
RE: RE: DJ has made a significant improvement in  
DC Gmen Fan : 11/25/2022 8:07 pm : link
In comment 15922424 bw in dc said:
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In comment 15922418 DC Gmen Fan said:


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Ball security and decision making from last year to this year. I would contend he will be even better next year. Perhaps a franchise tag would be the right call. Get him some weapons and another season in this system and then see where we are.



It's always another season...


Hardly an excuse. there has been a palpable improvement from last year to this year. Surely one cannot make an argument that he is playing with high caliber receivers right now. And yeah. We have a good coach and OC in place now. So maybe one more season is what it takes.
I'm right  
PaulN : 11/25/2022 8:22 pm : link
Your wrong, I'm the smart one here, wa wa wa! Get them a fucking rattle. They make noise just like some people here.
This is a flawed statistic  
Breeze_94 : 11/25/2022 8:23 pm : link
A. The Giants haven't been very good in his 4 years here.

B. Teams throw the ball more when they are trailing.

C. The Giants throw less when they are winning, because the strength of their team is Barkley and the running game.

Not to be redundant but asking him to win games dropping back and throwing to the receivers and TE's hes had in his 4 years here, with mostly awful pass pro, is asking alot.

Even guys like Mahomes & Allen wouldn't look great with Darius Slayton, Hodgins, James, Marcus Johnson, Golladay, and Cager as their primary receiving weapons.

For all of the people who think the Giants should move on from Jones, I challenge you to find a better solution- I don't see anyone in FA, and don't think a trade up is realistic. Giants likely picking somewhere around #20, and alot of teams at the top of the draft (ATL, CAR, HOU off the top of my head) are even more desperate for a QB than they are.
RE: That’s the kind of stat  
Dave in Hoboken : 11/25/2022 8:33 pm : link
In comment 15922390 mattlawson said:
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Francesca would go nuts on for 12 minutes


As dumb as Francesa is, I don't even think he's dumb enough to do that.
We've seen  
Spider43 : 11/25/2022 8:34 pm : link
The formula for his/our success. Ball control/game management, 50-50 would be ideal, but more running is fine... from DJ/Vanilla Vick. Sorry, but we'll have to wear him down to a nub for us to succeed. He's our bridge until the next guy, he'll do a better job than Tyrod. But yes, less throwing from him is ideal. And more running from him is likely the only way for us to succeed, until the next guy.
RE: RE: RE: DJ has made a significant improvement in  
Sean : 11/25/2022 8:37 pm : link
In comment 15922495 DC Gmen Fan said:
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In comment 15922424 bw in dc said:


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In comment 15922418 DC Gmen Fan said:


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Ball security and decision making from last year to this year. I would contend he will be even better next year. Perhaps a franchise tag would be the right call. Get him some weapons and another season in this system and then see where we are.



It's always another season...



Hardly an excuse. there has been a palpable improvement from last year to this year. Surely one cannot make an argument that he is playing with high caliber receivers right now. And yeah. We have a good coach and OC in place now. So maybe one more season is what it takes.

He’s not under contract.
RE: I'm just going to say one thing  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 11/25/2022 8:39 pm : link
In comment 15922485 gidiefor said:
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this is a stat that cannot stand

Blame whatever you want - Jones has not shown he can sustain a real aerial attack


Sustain it with what? Where in the NFL do you see passing games being sustained with horrendous offensive linemen and nonexistent talent at wide receiver? Forget Daniel Jones was ever born… please edify me on where in the sport you see someone succeeding with similar talent to the Giants.

If you guys think the next QB is coming in and turning this same group into a high flying offense, you’re out of your fucking minds.
That's a hell of a stat  
ghost718 : 11/25/2022 8:41 pm : link
If I didn't watch the games,I'd say it's Tyrod Taylor Time
RE: RE: I'm just going to say one thing  
SirLoinOfBeef : 11/25/2022 9:28 pm : link
In comment 15922517 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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In comment 15922485 gidiefor said:


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this is a stat that cannot stand

Blame whatever you want - Jones has not shown he can sustain a real aerial attack



Sustain it with what? Where in the NFL do you see passing games being sustained with horrendous offensive linemen and nonexistent talent at wide receiver? Forget Daniel Jones was ever born… please edify me on where in the sport you see someone succeeding with similar talent to the Giants.

If you guys think the next QB is coming in and turning this same group into a high flying offense, you’re out of your fucking minds.


Well, LOL...

He'd be a lot cheaper for the same production.
Justin Herbert has 34 of his career touchdowns  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/25/2022 10:07 pm : link
From undrafted NFL players. Keenan Allen and Mike Williams are always injured. Somehow, he's still a productive QB. His #1 receiver has played 3 games this year. His leading receiver in 2022 has 40 more receiving yards and 1 more touchdown than Darius Slayton.

Chargers are what? 5-5  
dancing blue bear : 11/25/2022 10:17 pm : link
I guess he ain’t making chicken salad , huh?
RE: Chargers are what? 5-5  
GMen72 : 11/25/2022 10:20 pm : link
In comment 15922578 dancing blue bear said:
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I guess he ain’t making chicken salad , huh?


He's not playing a 4th place schedule either.
RE: DJ has made a significant improvement in  
GMen72 : 11/25/2022 10:25 pm : link
In comment 15922418 DC Gmen Fan said:
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Ball security and decision making from last year to this year. I would contend he will be even better next year. Perhaps a franchise tag would be the right call. Get him some weapons and another season in this system and then see where we are.


And made almost zero improvement in passing yards and passing TDs.

Tagging DJ would be an anchor this team would struggle with for years because it would give Schoen no money to work with. Think about what you're saying...you want to pay a QB worse than Dak, Dak money? That's a Gettleman move!
RE: RE: I'm just going to say one thing  
GMen72 : 11/25/2022 10:28 pm : link
In comment 15922517 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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In comment 15922485 gidiefor said:


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this is a stat that cannot stand

Blame whatever you want - Jones has not shown he can sustain a real aerial attack



Sustain it with what? Where in the NFL do you see passing games being sustained with horrendous offensive linemen and nonexistent talent at wide receiver? Forget Daniel Jones was ever born… please edify me on where in the sport you see someone succeeding with similar talent to the Giants.

If you guys think the next QB is coming in and turning this same group into a high flying offense, you’re out of your fucking minds.


That's the thing, you have no idea if that's true or not. Draft a QB, and if you hit, this team could be a SB contender in 2-3 years. Keep DJ and it'll still be average in 3 years.
RE: It must be so disappointing  
ajr2456 : 11/25/2022 10:29 pm : link
In comment 15922480 dancing blue bear said:
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That all the whining and crying this week will have to be based on an off target pass that could have been caught

I’m sure many dreamed of fumbles and interceptions and a juicy, embarrassing blow out loss in prime time. 10 glorious days of shitting on the QB for losing the game and proving what the smartest evaluators already know. I am truly sorry for your loss

Buck up campers. We still have 2 games with the eagles. We could still collapse down the stretch. So many things to look forward to. Hope springs eternal


There was only one off target pass?
RE: RE: Chargers are what? 5-5  
dancing blue bear : 11/25/2022 10:32 pm : link
In comment 15922580 GMen72 said:
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In comment 15922578 dancing blue bear said:


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I guess he ain’t making chicken salad , huh?


You should check out strength of schedule. I mean it won’t fit your narrative so I doubt you will

NYG # 1 @ .68
LAC #26 @ .438

Do you like apples in your chicken salad?
He's not playing a 4th place schedule either.
RE: It must be so disappointing  
GMen72 : 11/25/2022 10:36 pm : link
In comment 15922480 dancing blue bear said:
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That all the whining and crying this week will have to be based on an off target pass that could have been caught

I’m sure many dreamed of fumbles and interceptions and a juicy, embarrassing blow out loss in prime time. 10 glorious days of shitting on the QB for losing the game and proving what the smartest evaluators already know. I am truly sorry for your loss

Buck up campers. We still have 2 games with the eagles. We could still collapse down the stretch. So many things to look forward to. Hope springs eternal


I dream of multiple 300 yard passing games, 35+ passing TDs per year, a 30 point game at least once a year, and Saquon being able to run with 7 in the box.

Can't have it all, but in DJs case, can't have any of it.
See…. I like when the team wins  
dancing blue bear : 11/25/2022 10:41 pm : link
Billy Hoyle wasn’t wrong

Some people rather look good and lose than look bad and win

To each their own
Well the team isn’t winning much lately.  
ajr2456 : 11/25/2022 10:43 pm : link
.
Times to face facts  
HomerJones45 : 11/25/2022 10:44 pm : link
Jones is a replacement level talent. He takes forever to make up his mind, cannot throw without tapping the fucking ball and cannot be counted on to accurately throw a 3 yard pass for a first down. We are not going anywhere with him. Go get a quarterback, or go the Seattle route and get a cheap replacement and spend the money elsewhere. We are simply wasting Daboll’s talents and Barkley’s career trying to run Daboll’s offense with a limited trigger man
RE: Does anyone believe that DJ will take a team to the Super Bowl?  
Hammer : 11/25/2022 10:47 pm : link
In comment 15922409 Atlantic said:
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So what are we talking about? There is a mountain of evidence that Daniel has serious flaws. Can he fix them? It's possible. But it is darned unlikely. Does he have a Trent Dilfer run in him? Perhaps, but we are not the 2000 Ravens. How many times do we have to be reminded of his limitations without it ever sinking in? We have seen what he is. His ceiling is a journeyman QB. He might be dragged to a Super Bowl but it is improbable he will ever lead anyone there.


I do. And I've said so previously.

Whether its the Giants or not, I believe that Jones will play in a Superbowl at some point in his career.
Homer, respectfully  
dancing blue bear : 11/25/2022 10:47 pm : link
That’s not facing facts. That’s facing opinion.

And you may not be wrong but there is a distinction.

As a fan we are certainly entitled to our opinions. Let’s be careful not to overvalue them
Daboll has improved Jones performance  
Gary from The East End : Admin : 11/25/2022 10:51 pm : link
By having him throw the ball less. You can look at the numbers, they speak for themselves.

He's 18th in yards and 16th in attempts, that's with extra game (or two) more than a lot of the people ahead of him.

He's 19th in yds/attempt, which has actually gotten a bit better over the last three games.


Before these last two losses, he had three games with 20 or more completions. Against the Bears, he completed 8 passes.

When I watch him play, it seems to me like he simply lacks awareness of what's going on on the field. When I see him run the two minute drills, it always seems sloppy.

We can maybe win with a QB like this, if everything else falls into place, but we shouldn't give him a lot of money.



RE: RE: Does anyone believe that DJ will take a team to the Super Bowl?  
GMen72 : 11/25/2022 11:02 pm : link
In comment 15922620 Hammer said:
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In comment 15922409 Atlantic said:


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So what are we talking about? There is a mountain of evidence that Daniel has serious flaws. Can he fix them? It's possible. But it is darned unlikely. Does he have a Trent Dilfer run in him? Perhaps, but we are not the 2000 Ravens. How many times do we have to be reminded of his limitations without it ever sinking in? We have seen what he is. His ceiling is a journeyman QB. He might be dragged to a Super Bowl but it is improbable he will ever lead anyone there.



I do. And I've said so previously.

Whether its the Giants or not, I believe that Jones will play in a Superbowl at some point in his career.


I wish I was your bookie!
That’s fair and true Gary  
dancing blue bear : 11/25/2022 11:14 pm : link
The scoring output is low as are pass TDs. And that’s over 2 different systems/ regimes. Def numbers not to be ignored.

I personally don’t assign full credit or blame to the QB. I view those a team stats. The coaches can assign blame and credit. Besides being qualified they actually know what was intended and who or what was the mistake.

WhAt I do know is we are in the mix with an undermanned AND injury ravaged roster. We beat some good teams already and come from behind 5 times.

Winning is the only sty that matters IMO.

Coaches have said repeatedly he’s playing exactly how we need him to play

The rest will take care of itself in the off season
To be fair...  
Brown_Hornet : 11/26/2022 12:02 am : link
...this is a cherry picked stat that leaves no room for discussion.

The reason, it is not Daniel Jones but the New York Giants that are 6-24 when throwing 32+ times per game.

But, I have not yet seen a reason to believe that DJ is the answer to the Giants inability to be an effective passing team.
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