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Let's hope Joe Schoen has da big balls

charles355 : 11/25/2022 7:03 pm
#1 I love the season
#2 I love the coaching staff
#3 We can control our destiny
#4 We won't draft top 10 in the draft (we will have to trade up to do so)
#5 Making the playoff would be a great improvement from the previous years
#6 The 2 biggest free agent we have ... are real teasers...

Saquon is really a big play potential dude... but fragile and not very clutch at times... I love him but at the same time I would prefer a cow bell type of RB for way less money.

Daniel Jones overall has played well, very well at moment, but I don't see a 35+ M QB! He has no targets but at the same time he can't improve them so he's nothing special... without the legs, he would be an awful QB

Both of them for 50M for me won't cut it since we need more than just these 2 plus a few more... we will have to pay Andrew THomas and Xavier in 2 years + Love this year and a big cat hit for Golladay... would the draft be enough to really improve the OFF ... we still need ILBs and CB2 and more meat on the DL

I love this team and I hope we will see Barkley and Jones close the season with strong play, if we do so... and we make the playoffs, we may keep them both and hope, if not... let them go or trade one after tagging him

If I'm Joe Schoen right now... I'm still waiting but my decisions are nearly done!
Ronnie Barnes and Turf  
charles355 : 11/25/2022 7:06 pm : link
and please get Ronnie Barnes OUT and change the field surface and I'll be very happy!
I'm glad you brought it up  
Gman11 : 11/25/2022 7:18 pm : link
because the topic has never been talked about before
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outeiroj : 11/25/2022 7:22 pm : link
Franchise QB contracts next year will all be 50+ milliong /yr. The bar was set this past offseason, no franchise qb is going to sign for less than that, people need to stop with the 30+ million = franchise qb argument, it's not.

Inflation is a thing. If you look at APY for the top 15 qb's in the nfl, number 15 is like 29m.

I'm not saying he should get 30 or trying to assess how much he's worth, simply just stating that one of the most frustrating talking points on this board is that 30k = franchise qb money
thanks for letting me express whan I had to say !  
charles355 : 11/25/2022 7:23 pm : link
it's not like I post 768768768 posts a day :)


Have a good one nonetheless!

From the North!
the question should be is our QB a franchise QB?  
charles355 : 11/25/2022 7:28 pm : link
but at the same time can you find someone nearly as good or better for way way less money ?

Can Kafka/Dabs mould a QB (rookie) or cheaper FA faster than it will take to pay him franchise QB money?

I would try it!
If you can wait 2-3 years  
Joe Beckwith : 11/25/2022 7:35 pm : link
for a rookie QB and a couple of rookie receivers, 3 interior OL, LBs, TEs, ,and a secondary player or 2 , all to be drafted, and develop, while keeping AT, XMc, Love, and Dex( or at least 2 of them), then OK.
what's your plan???  
charles355 : 11/25/2022 7:42 pm : link
Keep Barkley and JOnes! win enough to not draft top 10 but don't win enough to make playoffs or even win a game in the playoff... and rinse and repeat in 2 years with a new GM and HC?

for me if we make the playoffs, the plan may be to stay put with both guys and draft well to make the team better on both sides and hope for the best with major pressure on them !

btw I hope I'm way wrong and we will win 3 games and even win 1 more in January! trust me!
There’s 4 big decisions imo  
Breeze_94 : 11/25/2022 8:09 pm : link
1. Jones
2. Barkley
3. Love
4. Slayton

59 mil in cap space. 65 once they cut Golladay (doubt they designate him post 6/1- would make more sense to just structure resignings so the 2023 numbers are lower)

1. Jones- yes, there’s no better option out there. He’s progressing, you can win with him. Probably get him in a favorable deal too (23-25mil apy)

2 Barkley - I’m not letting 45% of the offense walk. 18mil apy is my guess for what he gets.

3. Love - a no brainer. Somewhere in the 8-9mil apy range.

4. Slayton - another no brainer. Similar deal to Valdez Scantling (10mil apy). Look at the FA class and tell me whose better. The only question is whether Slayton will want to stay here, or if he’s rather hit the market and find a team with a functioning pass attack.

So those 4 deals will take up a majority of the cap. Continue building through the draft. Sneak in a couple of mid level signings and vet min deals to fill the remaining holes (IDL depth, C, LB, CB, WR) and focus on WR, LB, CB, DL, RB2, TE2, OL depth in draft)
I read the initial post twice...  
DefenseWins : 11/25/2022 8:21 pm : link
and cannot figure out where the BALLS come into play...
RE: Ronnie Barnes and Turf  
k2tampa : 11/25/2022 8:46 pm : link
In comment 15922426 charles355 said:
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and please get Ronnie Barnes OUT and change the field surface and I'll be very happy!


Athletic trainers treat injuries and handle rehab after they happen. They are not involved in strength and conditioning to prevent injuries. The only reason to blame Barnes and the training staff is if a player aggravates an injury because they were cleared to return too soon.
RE: There’s 4 big decisions imo  
GMen72 : 11/25/2022 9:13 pm : link
In comment 15922499 Breeze_94 said:
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1. Jones
2. Barkley
3. Love
4. Slayton

59 mil in cap space. 65 once they cut Golladay (doubt they designate him post 6/1- would make more sense to just structure resignings so the 2023 numbers are lower)

1. Jones- yes, there’s no better option out there. He’s progressing, you can win with him. Probably get him in a favorable deal too (23-25mil apy)

2 Barkley - I’m not letting 45% of the offense walk. 18mil apy is my guess for what he gets.

3. Love - a no brainer. Somewhere in the 8-9mil apy range.

4. Slayton - another no brainer. Similar deal to Valdez Scantling (10mil apy). Look at the FA class and tell me whose better. The only question is whether Slayton will want to stay here, or if he’s rather hit the market and find a team with a functioning pass attack.

So those 4 deals will take up a majority of the cap. Continue building through the draft. Sneak in a couple of mid level signings and vet min deals to fill the remaining holes (IDL depth, C, LB, CB, WR) and focus on WR, LB, CB, DL, RB2, TE2, OL depth in draft)


Seriously? That's the 4 that's gonna win a Super Bowl?

1. Jones is a average, but he might need/want to be the placeholder for another year. Offer 1 year, $12-15 million, if he declines, let him walk.

2. Tag Saquon. Even if he's not the face of the franchise, trade him for a little less than SF got for McCaffrey.

3. Love...I agree we need to keep him, don't like your contract.

4. Let Slayton walk unless he'll resign cheap...very cheap. We can draft, or sign, a WR that can drop 10 balls a year.

5. Sign Dex.

This fanbase really needs to raise its standards. The shit we've been watching may work to squeak past a 4th place schedule, but it won't win a Super Bowl. Spend the resources on better players that will!
RE: There’s 4 big decisions imo  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 11/25/2022 9:14 pm : link
In comment 15922499 Breeze_94 said:
Quote:
1. Jones
2. Barkley
3. Love
4. Slayton

59 mil in cap space. 65 once they cut Golladay (doubt they designate him post 6/1- would make more sense to just structure resignings so the 2023 numbers are lower)

1. Jones- yes, there’s no better option out there. He’s progressing, you can win with him. Probably get him in a favorable deal too (23-25mil apy)

2 Barkley - I’m not letting 45% of the offense walk. 18mil apy is my guess for what he gets.

3. Love - a no brainer. Somewhere in the 8-9mil apy range.

4. Slayton - another no brainer. Similar deal to Valdez Scantling (10mil apy). Look at the FA class and tell me whose better. The only question is whether Slayton will want to stay here, or if he’s rather hit the market and find a team with a functioning pass attack.

So those 4 deals will take up a majority of the cap. Continue building through the draft. Sneak in a couple of mid level signings and vet min deals to fill the remaining holes (IDL depth, C, LB, CB, WR) and focus on WR, LB, CB, DL, RB2, TE2, OL depth in draft)


I'm not spending all of our cap money on a nucleus that hasn't scored more than 30 points in 40 games. I'd sign Love.
Slayton has three drops this year  
greatgrandpa : 11/26/2022 12:10 am : link
And averaging almost 18 yards per reception and is a legitimate deep threat. Cee Dee lamb with many more targets is averaging about 14. Slayton, when finally given the opportunity is a professional and is doing his job
RE: thanks for letting me express whan I had to say !  
Maijay : 11/26/2022 5:05 am : link
In comment 15922454 charles355 said:
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it's not like I post 768768768 posts a day :)


Have a good one nonetheless!

From the North!

Good for you! We must conform to the posting police. Maybe they should get a life.
I come here and BBV for content  
joe48 : 11/26/2022 5:39 am : link
Could do without the daily comments from same 4 or so posters that pop up in every thread.
RE: RE: There’s 4 big decisions imo  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 11/26/2022 7:09 am : link
In comment 15922541 GMen72 said:
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3. Love...I agree we need to keep him, don't like your contract.



He said 8 or 9 million which would him as the 24th highest paid safety...right now, not taking into account inflation, and the fact that contracts go up every year.

You think you are going to sign Love for LESS than 8 million a year? :D Only if Love's agent has recently suffered a severe head injury.

Why do Giants fans always expect bargains in free agency?
Big balls frequently accompanied by small brains! Can the present  
plato : 11/26/2022 11:14 am : link
ever predict the future? only with probabilities and some pretty shaky.
RE: Ronnie Barnes and Turf  
Spiciest Memelord : 11/26/2022 1:51 pm : link
In comment 15922426 charles355 said:
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and please get Ronnie Barnes OUT and change the field surface and I'll be very happy!


Does he have photos of the Maras? Strange the #1 problem for the Giants was not addressed, apparently.
RE: RE: Ronnie Barnes and Turf  
Rory : 11/26/2022 2:15 pm : link
In comment 15923044 Spiciest Memelord said:
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In comment 15922426 charles355 said:


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and please get Ronnie Barnes OUT and change the field surface and I'll be very happy!



Does he have photos of the Maras? Strange the #1 problem for the Giants was not addressed, apparently.


Jesus Christ, Barnes has no control over injuries. he treats them. Also injuries happen to all teams in all sports, blaming someone so you have someone to blame is fucking pathetic.

so get with the fucking program, Educate yourself before you post dog.
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