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Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/26/2022 8:35 am
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Game Review: Dallas Cowboys 28 – New York Giants 20 - ( New Window )
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RE: Is it Jones fault also  
ajr2456 : 11/26/2022 4:17 pm : link
In comment 15923219 Spiciest Memelord said:
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that Barkley has been averaging 30 yards the last couple of games? Just strange to think Barkley would have otherwise scored an easy TD from a player who seems to have quit this season.


Well they have no threat of a passing game and Jones is part of the passing game.

We’re accusing Barkley of quitting on the season? That’s a hell of an accusation. And probably worse than any bad thing that’s been said about Daniel Jones. It’s insane the excuse you’re willing to make for Jones, while accusing Barkley of quitting.

How did Jones earn all this good will?
RE: RE: Always appreciate SY POV  
jvm52106 : 11/26/2022 4:32 pm : link
In comment 15923163 Sy'56 said:
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some interesting takes.
I have never thought dak was or did anything “special”. Solid starter, good leader but nothing elite in his game. He does a decent job with a stacked deck of talent.
The pronounced difference I saw between the 2 teams passing games was lamb abusing Holmes and gallop ripping down balls in spite of good coverage.
The first half …when under pressure and before we lost flott and went to cb 6/7/8? He was the reason they were losing.
I agree he was better in the 2nd half but I don’t think they threw it 10 times and the only wow throw was the TD to the tight end which was against an inexplicable defense. Dallas ran the ball down our throats. Passed when and how they wanted with 1 legit starter in the back 7.

I do agree that the lack of running the qb has been detrimental not just this week but the last few. I have seen teams do a better job and place a priority on taking that away but it seems the scramble runs are missing as well as some called runs. It seems more important now that the line isn’t run blocking ver well lately on top of the usual pass pro struggles. Giants offense has to steal some 3rd down conversions

It’s hard to dissect some of the short comings with so many injuries but I feel like the coaching staff has not adjusted well to the “blueprint” Seattle put on film. I just don’t feel like offensively our coaches have given the team an advantage the last cpl weeks. McCarthy is not good but I have a ton of respect for the coordinators.

I would not call the 4th and 1 “the play of the game” but I do find it interesting that the blame is placed on 1 person. That was not the general take of the national media or those without any investment in the giants.
There were several pivotal plays and I would put that in the 5-10 range. Besides the 2 calls that swung 8 points there were 2 punts that should have been downed inside the 5, KT missed sack, 2-3 3&longs Giants margin against a good team is so small they need to make 8 of the 10 pivotal plays in a game like that and turn this picks into more then 3 points.

Hoping the mini bye is a good rest and mental reset. Really want to see this team make the playoffs and finish strong



Did you see the All-22 from the botched 4th and 1? There is a more than 50% chance Barkley scores on the play if the throw was there.

I don't think Dak is special. I think he has and will continue to rank as one of the best 10-12 QBs in football. Prescott made at least 5 throws with a pass rusher inches away or already on him and rarely made the receiver adjust. Good receivers or not, they were impressive throws. One after the other. Let's not act like he s throwing to Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce here.


I agree with all of it but I am not 100% sold on Barkley catching it. Barkley just isn't playing well and honestly he is just not a guy I spend our cap space on for 2023 and beyond..
Jvm I agree a good throw  
dancing blue bear : 11/26/2022 4:41 pm : link
Has a chance to score. But even a bad throw should have been a 1st down

And while the play design was excellent it is also Kafka who is reposonsible to have the substitution done correctly and the 10 men falls on him


And I didn’t love the call in the first place. I thought daboll jumped the gun with aggressiveness.

But the call was made. The play was well designed. We fucked up the substitution. The throw was poor and the ball was dropped

I see it as a team failure. And not the reason we lost. It was a failed conversion in a 1 point game in the 3rd quarter.
It hurt. It was part of the reason we lost. Just not THE reason
My replacement for Jones?  
cosmicj : 11/26/2022 4:52 pm : link
Baker Mayfield. Mayfield is clearly more talented than Jones. He’s in the midst of a career destroying situation in Carolina and should jump at the chance of working with Daboll to resuscitate it.

Schoen will continue scouting college QBs hard to find the next Mahomes, in the meantime. While he does that, the Giants QB situation will be improved and stabilized.
….  
g56blue10 : 11/26/2022 4:54 pm : link
Barf 🤮
RE: RE: Always appreciate SY POV  
bw in dc : 11/26/2022 4:56 pm : link
In comment 15923163 Sy'56 said:
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Did you see the All-22 from the botched 4th and 1? There is a more than 50% chance Barkley scores on the play if the throw was there.

I don't think Dak is special. I think he has and will continue to rank as one of the best 10-12 QBs in football. Prescott made at least 5 throws with a pass rusher inches away or already on him and rarely made the receiver adjust. Good receivers or not, they were impressive throws. One after the other. Let's not act like he s throwing to Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce here.


Sy - there has been a lot of debate on the board whether Barkley should have caught that pass from Jones. I don't mean to lead the witness here, but I think that would have been a very difficult ask for SB to pull that in. What's your view?
RE: RE: RE: Always appreciate SY POV  
jvm52106 : 11/26/2022 5:16 pm : link
In comment 15923263 bw in dc said:
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Did you see the All-22 from the botched 4th and 1? There is a more than 50% chance Barkley scores on the play if the throw was there.

I don't think Dak is special. I think he has and will continue to rank as one of the best 10-12 QBs in football. Prescott made at least 5 throws with a pass rusher inches away or already on him and rarely made the receiver adjust. Good receivers or not, they were impressive throws. One after the other. Let's not act like he s throwing to Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce here.




Sy - there has been a lot of debate on the board whether Barkley should have caught that pass from Jones. I don't mean to lead the witness here, but I think that would have been a very difficult ask for SB to pull that in. What's your view?


He needs to catch the goddam ball. He should not get a criticism pass... Barkley plays small in big moments.
RE: RE: I an NOT defending Jones.  
Mayo2JZ : 11/26/2022 5:17 pm : link
In comment 15922954 kickoff said:
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I think SB should have caught that pass. Sometimes passes aren’t perfect. Make a play!!

I did not see it tipped but it happened so fast I could be wrong. If that's the case then wasn't DJ fault


I saw a video replay of that pass, looked to me like it was tipped at LOS and trajectory was changed. Anyone else see it?
RE: It's not whether Barkley should have caught the ball or not  
Mayo2JZ : 11/26/2022 5:20 pm : link
In comment 15923172 Producer said:
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of course he should have.

But Jones oftem botches critical throws, throwing to the wrong side etc. In this case a properly placed ball is a big play. That's the problem. It was a big play left on the field.


Yes it was a big play left on the field by BOTH players
RE: RE: I an NOT defending Jones.  
Lowell : 11/26/2022 5:26 pm : link
In comment 15922954 kickoff said:
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I think SB should have caught that pass. Sometimes passes aren’t perfect. Make a play!!


I saw a video replay of that pass, looked to me like it was tipped at LOS and trajectory was changed. Anyone else see it?


I watched the replay numerous times. It definitely appeared that the trajectory of the pass changed slightly but the ball retained the exact spiral so there's that.
RE: ….  
dancing blue bear : 11/26/2022 5:30 pm : link
In comment 15923259 g56blue10 said:
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Barf 🤮


Sure. Barf. BUT we are only rolling with baker mayfield until we get the next Mahommes. How long could that possibly take?
The DJFC asks how we could possibly improve on DJ.  
cosmicj : 11/26/2022 5:37 pm : link
Baker is my answer. No one’s going to give him a big contract at this stage and he’s an upgrade in my opinion.

You think DJ has been put in a bad environment? Take a look at what Baker’s been through. A perfect “buy low” situation.
RE: RE: Phil Simms had a damned fine career throwing to guys like...  
k2tampa : 11/26/2022 5:40 pm : link
In comment 15922950 5BowlsSoon said:
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Earnest Gray, Johnny Perkins, Byron Williams, Stacy Robinson, Lionel Manuel, Bobby Johnson, Odessa Turner, Mark Ingram, and Stephen Baker. Not exactly a fountain of receiving talent there.



You left off Mark Bávaro and I’m sure Tiki Barber caught a lot of passes too.


Yeah, it's close.

Gray, Perkins, Robinson were all second rounders. Ingram was a 1, Baker a three and Turner and Bavaro were 4s. Manuel was a 7th.

Slayton was a fifth, Hodgins was a sixth, Cager, Hudson, Myrick and Johnson were not drafted.

Yep, very comparable.
There’s obviously not a great answer to the QB question  
gersh : 11/26/2022 5:42 pm : link
I think they offer DJ a short term deal to stay, but he may get more to play elsewhere.

Plan B won’t be exciting either. Mayfield is as good a plan B as we are likely to have as an option. In Daboll/Kafka I trust
RE: The DJFC asks how we could possibly improve on DJ.  
bw in dc : 11/26/2022 5:48 pm : link
In comment 15923298 cosmicj said:
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Baker is my answer. No one’s going to give him a big contract at this stage and he’s an upgrade in my opinion.

You think DJ has been put in a bad environment? Take a look at what Baker’s been through. A perfect “buy low” situation.


JimG might be interesting, too. He's playing pretty well. But he might continue to be on a year-to-year deals based on this stigma he is success is more the system than him.

I'd give him a long, long look for a one-year deal...
RE: The DJFC asks how we could possibly improve on DJ.  
Spiciest Memelord : 11/26/2022 5:50 pm : link
In comment 15923298 cosmicj said:
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Baker is my answer. No one’s going to give him a big contract at this stage and he’s an upgrade in my opinion.

You think DJ has been put in a bad environment? Take a look at what Baker’s been through. A perfect “buy low” situation.


The knock on Baker is that you surround him with tons of SB caliber talent in Cleveland and he pretty much sucked.
RE: RE: The DJFC asks how we could possibly improve on DJ.  
bw in dc : 11/26/2022 5:56 pm : link
In comment 15923314 Spiciest Memelord said:
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Baker is my answer. No one’s going to give him a big contract at this stage and he’s an upgrade in my opinion.

You think DJ has been put in a bad environment? Take a look at what Baker’s been through. A perfect “buy low” situation.



The knock on Baker is that you surround him with tons of SB caliber talent in Cleveland and he pretty much sucked.


In 2020, Mayfield was very good. And I think that Browns roster has been overrated by the media/experts for a few years now...
RE: RE: The DJFC asks how we could possibly improve on DJ.  
ajr2456 : 11/26/2022 6:02 pm : link
In comment 15923314 Spiciest Memelord said:
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Baker is my answer. No one’s going to give him a big contract at this stage and he’s an upgrade in my opinion.

You think DJ has been put in a bad environment? Take a look at what Baker’s been through. A perfect “buy low” situation.



The knock on Baker is that you surround him with tons of SB caliber talent in Cleveland and he pretty much sucked.


2020, when they had their best roster he was good in the regular season and the post season. They were a fumble through the end zone from going to the AFC title game.
RE: RE: RE: Phil Simms had a damned fine career throwing to guys like...  
5BowlsSoon : 11/26/2022 6:05 pm : link
In comment 15923300 k2tampa said:
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Earnest Gray, Johnny Perkins, Byron Williams, Stacy Robinson, Lionel Manuel, Bobby Johnson, Odessa Turner, Mark Ingram, and Stephen Baker. Not exactly a fountain of receiving talent there.



You left off Mark Bávaro and I’m sure Tiki Barber caught a lot of passes too.



Yeah, it's close.

Gray, Perkins, Robinson were all second rounders. Ingram was a 1, Baker a three and Turner and Bavaro were 4s. Manuel was a 7th.

Slayton was a fifth, Hodgins was a sixth, Cager, Hudson, Myrick and Johnson were not drafted.

Yep, very comparable.


Nice catch k2….I didn’t have any recollection when those guys were drafted. Barely remember some of them.
I am late to the game and  
section125 : 11/26/2022 6:12 pm : link
once again thank you so much for these reviews. I think you can scale back on the recap to only the highlights/lowlights.

I think this game put the nail in Jones' coffin for a long contract. He was pretty bad on a few short throws to open guys. I was hoping that Daboll had sorted him out as he improved each week. After that game, I think Schoen and Daboll saw all they needed to see.

Now, I will disagree with you on Dak in this game. I would rate him as you do vs the other QBs in the league and think he is a lot better than BBI gives him credit for. However, he was just throwing balls in Lamb's direction and the guy was making one hand grabs and abusing the DBs. Jones does not have anyone, anywhere near that level of competence at WR. Throw in Gallup who was dragging Flott down the field like toilet paper stuck to his shoe. Those guys just outmuscled the Giants DBs. Yes Dak got the balls out and near his WRs, but you need to be fair about it. It wasn't that Dak did anything special IMV, he just got it out near his WRs and when you are throwing against the 4th and 5th string CBs you have a VG chance of a completion. Yes, Dak was stout in the pocket and I am not diminishing that. He stood in there and got smacked. I know I was feeling pretty frustrated that he kept getting completions in spite of decent pressure.
Anyway, just my POV.
I think this game really exposed the short comings of both Jones and  
kelly : 11/26/2022 6:23 pm : link
Barkley.

I don't think Barkley gets resigned unless Mara gets involved.

Jones is a low end starting QB and should only get paid as such.

If I were Dabol I would tell Jones and Barkley if you want the big money now is the time to earn it. No more excuses. You two are supposed to be our best players, well than, elevate the play of those around you.
Dak  
AG5686 : 11/26/2022 6:27 pm : link
In comment 15923332 section125 said:
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once again thank you so much for these reviews. I think you can scale back on the recap to only the highlights/lowlights.

I think this game put the nail in Jones' coffin for a long contract. He was pretty bad on a few short throws to open guys. I was hoping that Daboll had sorted him out as he improved each week. After that game, I think Schoen and Daboll saw all they needed to see.

Now, I will disagree with you on Dak in this game. I would rate him as you do vs the other QBs in the league and think he is a lot better than BBI gives him credit for. However, he was just throwing balls in Lamb's direction and the guy was making one hand grabs and abusing the DBs. Jones does not have anyone, anywhere near that level of competence at WR. Throw in Gallup who was dragging Flott down the field like toilet paper stuck to his shoe. Those guys just outmuscled the Giants DBs. Yes Dak got the balls out and near his WRs, but you need to be fair about it. It wasn't that Dak did anything special IMV, he just got it out near his WRs and when you are throwing against the 4th and 5th string CBs you have a VG chance of a completion. Yes, Dak was stout in the pocket and I am not diminishing that. He stood in there and got smacked. I know I was feeling pretty frustrated that he kept getting completions in spite of decent pressure.
Anyway, just my POV.

Dak is a top 10-12 guy...very overrated mainly because he is the Cowboys QB.
He needs to win a playoff game to elevate above this current level.
DJ was playing to a top 15-17 level...until these last 2 games...where he has reverted back to 20-23 type level.
Both he and Saquon are driving all of us nuts because we all know what happens when the season ends and we have to make some of the biggest decisions in a long time with these 2..


The Decisions Going Forward  
Samiam : 11/26/2022 7:26 pm : link
The decision on Jones is going to be based, in part, on what is asking price is. If he’s asking for a long term contract at big dollars, it’ll be an easy decision. If he’s asking for a short term contract at a reasonable amount, it might also be easy. The in between is the problem.

With Barkley, it might also be easy. If he wants to be paid as one of the highest paid RBs, if not the highest, that’s one thing. On the other hand, if he is playing hurt, considering the amount of time he’s missed over the past few years, or played hurt over the past few year, I don’t think Schoen will want to deal with that.
RE: I am not defending Jones either but  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/26/2022 9:55 pm : link
In comment 15922775 Tom from LI said:
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Dak is putrid and benefits from superior talent around him.

Barkley is either dinged or making


Hes not putrid in any way. This is the Giants fan in you talking. You want to argue that he's not top 10, go for it, but 'putrid' is not Prescott, it's flatly inaccurate.
RE: The DJFC asks how we could possibly improve on DJ.  
joe48 : 11/27/2022 7:19 am : link
In comment 15923298 cosmicj said:
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Baker is my answer. No one’s going to give him a big contract at this stage and he’s an upgrade in my opinion.

You think DJ has been put in a bad environment? Take a look at what Baker’s been through. A perfect “buy low” situation.

The Browns were loaded on offense when he was there and he was very ineffective.
I'd have no problem  
fkap : 11/27/2022 7:37 am : link
with Jones as a short term, low cost, solution. The alternatives aren't that attractive.

The vibe coming from the DJFC side of the fence seems to be, sign him up long term. That isn't all that attractive to me, especially if the cost is higher than 20s/yr with enough guarantees to make it painful to dump him.

Obviously, the full evaluation/decision comes at the end of the year, but we're quite a ways into the season and the waters are just as muddy as when it began. That isn't cause for optimism.
Baker Mayfield  
ZogZerg : 11/27/2022 7:37 am : link
LOL!
Only on BBI...
Prescott - Jones comparisons  
bc4life : 11/27/2022 7:38 am : link
Might have gotten hit just as much but there is no comparison between quality of receivers. And, Prescott has had way more experience and on much better teams
Wonder if different play calling  
bc4life : 11/27/2022 7:41 am : link
might help Barkley - more outside runs.
Cowboys going to the Super Bowl?  
bc4life : 11/27/2022 8:02 am : link
Giants played them fairly closely both games. Giants are clearly in a rebuild and don't have the horses. Think people are overrating win against Vikes.

Cowboys have a knack for underperforming in the playoffs. Don't see them having guaranteed against any of the following teams - Bucs, Eagles, or 49ers.

One note re: Pollard - probably better at this point in Zeke;s career, but he's not Zeke. Zeke did not get enough credit for his toughness, breaking tackles.
RE: I'd have no problem  
Maijay : 11/27/2022 8:20 am : link
In comment 15923521 fkap said:
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with Jones as a short term, low cost, solution. The alternatives aren't that attractive.

The vibe coming from the DJFC side of the fence seems to be, sign him up long term. That isn't all that attractive to me, especially if the cost is higher than 20s/yr with enough guarantees to make it painful to dump him.

Obviously, the full evaluation/decision comes at the end of the year, but we're quite a ways into the season and the waters are just as muddy as when it began. That isn't cause for optimism.
+1
RE: Baker Mayfield  
Kanavis : 11/27/2022 9:14 am : link
In comment 15923522 ZogZerg said:
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LOL!
Only on BBI...


Agree...did they watch the Carolina game? We could have lost if he wasn't constantly missing open receivers. Pass.
Dunno  
fkap : 11/27/2022 10:36 am : link
if BM was mentioned as a long term solution, or merely as a stopgap.

Personally, I think it is rare to find a long term solution thru FA. It can happen. Wayyy more often, the FA QBs are either stopgap, or a discovery of why the original team let the QB go.

But, I think a point to be made is that stopgap alternatives to DJ should be available if DJ gets a better offer, or if one, or both, parties decide to move on. In that light, BM might be a consideration.

Should the unspeakable happen, and Giants fall out of the wild card race, I wouldn't mind seeing what TT can do, to see if he should be the stop gap. Of course, that would put the nail in the coffin on any chance of re-signing DJ.
RE: It's not whether Barkley should have caught the ball or not  
Section331 : 11/27/2022 11:14 am : link
In comment 15923172 Producer said:
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of course he should have.

But Jones oftem botches critical throws, throwing to the wrong side etc. In this case a properly placed ball is a big play. That's the problem. It was a big play left on the field.


Exactly. The idea that a QB shouldn’t be blamed for a very bad throw is just absurd. He missed on 2 other throws in the flat to James, one of which James made a fantastic catch on. An NFL QB has to make those throws. Hell, a HS QB does too.
RE: Cowboys going to the Super Bowl?  
Section331 : 11/27/2022 11:15 am : link
In comment 15923531 bc4life said:
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Giants played them fairly closely both games. Giants are clearly in a rebuild and don't have the horses. Think people are overrating win against Vikes.

Cowboys have a knack for underperforming in the playoffs. Don't see them having guaranteed against any of the following teams - Bucs, Eagles, or 49ers.

One note re: Pollard - probably better at this point in Zeke;s career, but he's not Zeke. Zeke did not get enough credit for his toughness, breaking tackles.


Agreed, they also have the uninspiring Mike McCarthay as HC. Let’s see how it plays out before crowning their asses.
If you are going to move on from Jones and Barkley  
ZGiants98 : 11/27/2022 11:41 am : link
You might as well just tear it down and hope for a new coaching staff to come in and in 4-5 years from now, if by some miracle we have a better QB that we drafted along the way and he's also somehow better than Jones is now, maybe that will be a solution. Daboll, Kafka, and Wink arent going to stick around for years to see that happen.

And a play for Rodgers or something along those lines isnt a solution either.

Jones has turned himself into a solid, if not spectacular, QB. Will he ever be a tier 1 guy? Maybe not. But he still has the arrow pointing up if we can finally get him a few weapons. He's made strides this year with literally nothing and he can continue to make strides as he's only just now reaching his prime.

Will Barkley ever be Jim Brown? Probably not. But again, he's a real solid RB. Probably a top 5 RB in the league.

These arent players you move on from...

Not when you also have your franchise LT, top notch Edge rusher, elite young safety tandem, and quality pieces along the d line already in tow.

If the Giants want to see how far Daboll can take them, they need to keep the nucleus intact and ADD to what we already have. Another draft and some much needed free agency cash next year could do wonders for this team.

The thought of moving on from Jones and Barkley is tiresome and really shows a lack of pulse on what the overall situation with the Giants is right now.

RE: If you are going to move on from Jones and Barkley  
FStubbs : 11/27/2022 12:03 pm : link
In comment 15923715 ZGiants98 said:
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You might as well just tear it down and hope for a new coaching staff to come in and in 4-5 years from now, if by some miracle we have a better QB that we drafted along the way and he's also somehow better than Jones is now, maybe that will be a solution. Daboll, Kafka, and Wink arent going to stick around for years to see that happen.

And a play for Rodgers or something along those lines isnt a solution either.

Jones has turned himself into a solid, if not spectacular, QB. Will he ever be a tier 1 guy? Maybe not. But he still has the arrow pointing up if we can finally get him a few weapons. He's made strides this year with literally nothing and he can continue to make strides as he's only just now reaching his prime.

Will Barkley ever be Jim Brown? Probably not. But again, he's a real solid RB. Probably a top 5 RB in the league.

These arent players you move on from...

Not when you also have your franchise LT, top notch Edge rusher, elite young safety tandem, and quality pieces along the d line already in tow.

If the Giants want to see how far Daboll can take them, they need to keep the nucleus intact and ADD to what we already have. Another draft and some much needed free agency cash next year could do wonders for this team.

The thought of moving on from Jones and Barkley is tiresome and really shows a lack of pulse on what the overall situation with the Giants is right now.


You have a point if Jones and Barkley are affordable. If they want break the bank deals, that's where you ask if they're worth it.
RE: If you are going to move on from Jones and Barkley  
Scooter185 : 11/27/2022 12:25 pm : link
In comment 15923715 ZGiants98 said:
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You might as well just tear it down and hope for a new coaching staff to come in and in 4-5 years from now, if by some miracle we have a better QB that we drafted along the way and he's also somehow better than Jones is now, maybe that will be a solution. Daboll, Kafka, and Wink arent going to stick around for years to see that happen.

And a play for Rodgers or something along those lines isnt a solution either.

Jones has turned himself into a solid, if not spectacular, QB. Will he ever be a tier 1 guy? Maybe not. But he still has the arrow pointing up if we can finally get him a few weapons. He's made strides this year with literally nothing and he can continue to make strides as he's only just now reaching his prime.

Will Barkley ever be Jim Brown? Probably not. But again, he's a real solid RB. Probably a top 5 RB in the league.

These arent players you move on from...

Not when you also have your franchise LT, top notch Edge rusher, elite young safety tandem, and quality pieces along the d line already in tow.

If the Giants want to see how far Daboll can take them, they need to keep the nucleus intact and ADD to what we already have. Another draft and some much needed free agency cash next year could do wonders for this team.

The thought of moving on from Jones and Barkley is tiresome and really shows a lack of pulse on what the overall situation with the Giants is right now.


These are exactly the players you move on from. Barkley, because he's a RB and Jones because if everything is perfect he might win a couple playoff games, but overall he's a passenger and not the driver of the offense.

Why not see what BD et al can do developing raw talent like he did with JA in Buffalo? We gave him a vase and told him to make it a bowl. Let's give him the wet clay and see what he molds
You think Jones is a passenger on this 7-4 team?  
ZGiants98 : 11/27/2022 1:19 pm : link
Is that a joke? He is the only reason we are sitting at 7-4.

And what young talent is Daboll going to mold? We arent finding anything better than Jones in the draft after the 15th pick unless it's a project that will take years to develop.

As mentioned before, Kafka and Wink arent going to wait around for that...

No thanks.

Sign Jones to a friendly 4 year deal and tag Barkley. Focus on improving the current roster and getting healthy in 2023.
Dallas  
stretch234 : 11/27/2022 1:27 pm : link
When they play a team with competent CB they will struggle. Minn has bad CB and the Giants with injuries are worse. Lamb is a good WR, but he is not the stud 1 that Cooper was

Agree Elliott is likely gone but Pollard is a FA as well. Very interesting with him. He has only carried the ball more than 15 times twice in his career but is clearly an excellent player. What do you pay a guy like that
People really need to stop pretending that if we move  
ZGiants98 : 11/27/2022 1:28 pm : link
on from Jones, we will automatically be able to draft the next Josh Allen in this years draft.

It's an absurd thought.

For every Allen that makes it, there are 10 similar QB prospects that dont.

And that's assuming we can even pick in the top 10-15, where most of these prospects end up (Newsflash: we wont be next year).

Maybe we win the lottery and strike gold on a prospect and can develop him over a few years, but it's far more likely we dont.
RE: People really need to stop pretending that if we move  
Producer : 11/27/2022 1:34 pm : link
In comment 15923825 ZGiants98 said:
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on from Jones, we will automatically be able to draft the next Josh Allen in this years draft.

It's an absurd thought.

For every Allen that makes it, there are 10 similar QB prospects that dont.

And that's assuming we can even pick in the top 10-15, where most of these prospects end up (Newsflash: we wont be next year).

Maybe we win the lottery and strike gold on a prospect and can develop him over a few years, but it's far more likely we dont.


Nobody's pretending that. For some of us we're treading water with Jones. Almost any forst or 2nd round QB will have a higher ceiling than Jones.
Really? name them?  
ZGiants98 : 11/27/2022 1:38 pm : link
Im tired of playing in fairy tale land. Who exactly are the Giants drafting (assume in the 18-32 range) or in the second round that will have a higher ceiling than Jones? We know which QBs are coming out at this point.

Also, I'd like to know how raw they are and how long it will take for them to reach their ceiling. That's relevant because...

if we want to win with this current coaching staff, time isnt on our side.

Qbs in the draft are far from a sure thing  
Jerry in_DC : 11/27/2022 1:39 pm : link
The next QB could be as bad as Jones. Could even be worse than Jones. But you need a high end QB - not Allen necessarily - but a top 10 guy.

And we can replace what Jones gives us very easily. Draft a guy for upside. Get a mediocre placeholder QB as contingency- could be Jones or any of the other cheap QBs in his class.

If the FO / coaches really don't like any of the QBs available in the draft, maybe we stay in a holding pattern with Jones or one of his peers for another year, but we are going to have to address QB at some point soon.

RE: You think Jones is a passenger on this 7-4 team?  
Scooter185 : 11/27/2022 1:43 pm : link
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Is that a joke? He is the only reason we are sitting at 7-4.

And what young talent is Daboll going to mold? We arent finding anything better than Jones in the draft after the 15th pick unless it's a project that will take years to develop.

As mentioned before, Kafka and Wink arent going to wait around for that...

No thanks.

Sign Jones to a friendly 4 year deal and tag Barkley. Focus on improving the current roster and getting healthy in 2023.


Lol Barkley and the defense are why they're at 7-4. You think it's coincidence Jones has looked worse when the run game is completely taken away?

It was pretty funny during the Thanksgiving game when the broadcast was talking about the NFCE having the best winning percentage in the NFL, you know what the accompanying graphic was? SB and the three other NFCE QBs.

Jones is completely a passenger
RE: RE: You think Jones is a passenger on this 7-4 team?  
ZGiants98 : 11/27/2022 1:47 pm : link
In comment 15923842 Scooter185 said:
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In comment 15923809 ZGiants98 said:


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Is that a joke? He is the only reason we are sitting at 7-4.

And what young talent is Daboll going to mold? We arent finding anything better than Jones in the draft after the 15th pick unless it's a project that will take years to develop.

As mentioned before, Kafka and Wink arent going to wait around for that...

No thanks.

Sign Jones to a friendly 4 year deal and tag Barkley. Focus on improving the current roster and getting healthy in 2023.



Lol Barkley and the defense are why they're at 7-4. You think it's coincidence Jones has looked worse when the run game is completely taken away?

It was pretty funny during the Thanksgiving game when the broadcast was talking about the NFCE having the best winning percentage in the NFL, you know what the accompanying graphic was? SB and the three other NFCE QBs.

Jones is completely a passenger


This is a clown response. Jones has led us to at least four come from behind victories this year.
Hard to take this site seriously anymore when fans can't wait to  
Thunderstruck27 : 11/27/2022 2:04 pm : link
turn on the players.
Jones a passenger? Below average? Terrible?
Are the people saying this the same people that were lobbying to mortgage the future for Russell Wilson in the off-season?
Or were they the ones saying that when Jones went out last season that Fromm and Glennon would be just as good as Jones?
I get people being fired up in game threads saying some dumb shit, but get a hold of yourselves.
RE: Is it Jones fault also  
GMen72 : 11/27/2022 2:11 pm : link
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that Barkley has been averaging 30 yards the last couple of games? Just strange to think Barkley would have otherwise scored an easy TD from a player who seems to have quit this season.


When you have a QB that nobody respects and puts 8-9 in the box...yeah, that effects Saquon in a big way.
Eric....please delete this  
AG5686 : 11/27/2022 2:15 pm : link
Before I commit hare kare....somehow Sy's great analysis devolves into DJ/SB head spinning craziness.
RE: RE: ….  
GMen72 : 11/27/2022 2:15 pm : link
In comment 15923291 dancing blue bear said:
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Barf 🤮



Sure. Barf. BUT we are only rolling with baker mayfield until we get the next Mahommes. How long could that possibly take?


True! Better to overpay an average QB and never have a shot a being a real SB contender. Always good to make decisions based on fear!
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