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DL or 2, but not as urgent as the need for WR or CB. Barkley has fallen off after the bye. I wonder if it’s a reaction, conscious or sub-conscious, to the failed contract renegotiation?

So their biggest need may be DL where they have two really good ones, but not WR where they really don't even have one good one?

Although guys like KT aren't listed as lineman, it's not like they've got him dropping into coverage more then rushing the QB. So some of our LBers could be classified as lineman.

Dex will certainly be signed long term and I wouldn’t doubt Williams might be extended. However, they still need another top DL just to continue the quality level of the line. Something like the 2nd round looks like a good spot if there is a appropriate talent. And as much as this is an important need it’s still not as important as WR where we probably need 4 or 5 quality players.

3 wins!!!!!! and what ever happens happens....though 4 would be the cherry on the top.

At least Dex will be on the team, and Williams could still be on.

Leo signed a 3 year contract in 2021 and Dex' 5th year option was picked up.

But with these two excellent defensive lineman in the center teams are gashing the Giants in the run game and it must be fixed going into next year. Maybe a run clogger next to them? . If you can’t stop the run in the NFL the other team keeps the ball for longer drives and usually scores. It also wears out your lineman by the fourth quarter in close games. Bottom line is you will rarely beat good teams. The run defense is a huge fix for Schoen

has been hurt all year from lack of quality at ILB, not DL.

And even with that, the Defense has played well because of a decent Pass Defense (until latest injuries to Xavier and Jackson).

A porous run defense doesn't convert to points allowed as much as bad pass defense does. Points come out of the passing game.

It’s the ILB that’s been the main problem with the run defense. We aren’t getting gashed up the middle so much as the edges. We have been mixing and matching the mlbs all season long. It’s def been a problem. I would agree that DL depth has become a problem due to injury and our 2 horses probably are playing too many snaps right now,

In comment 15922790 Pepe LePugh said:

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DL or 2, but not as urgent as the need for WR or CB. Barkley has fallen off after the bye. I wonder if it’s a reaction, conscious or sub-conscious, to the failed contract renegotiation?

I believe it is a function of teams putting 8 or 9 guys in the box to stop him and the Giants consistently trying to run against the stacked box and not having the oline who can block against it..

In comment 15922869 greatgrandpa said:

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But with these two excellent defensive lineman in the center teams are gashing the Giants in the run game and it must be fixed going into next year. Maybe a run clogger next to them? . If you can’t stop the run in the NFL the other team keeps the ball for longer drives and usually scores. It also wears out your lineman by the fourth quarter in close games. Bottom line is you will rarely beat good teams. The run defense is a huge fix for Schoen

The lack of a good middle linebacker is a huge problem. When Martinez was healthy he could step up and plug a hole, the Giants don't have anyone who can do what he did.

Davison heals well, and they draft another DL.

but they do need more solid depth there. Bigger concern is the lack of ILBs. We need to draft a stud there.

Of his size and ability. Sy noted this in his game review. Still, the real culprit is terrible LBs.

In comment 15922917 dancing blue bear said:

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It’s the ILB that’s been the main problem with the run defense. We aren’t getting gashed up the middle so much as the edges. We have been mixing and matching the mlbs all season long. It’s def been a problem. I would agree that DL depth has become a problem due to injury and our 2 horses probably are playing too many snaps right now,

Yes, you got it. Opposing teams are not only taking advantage of our poor ILB but also inexperienced Corners not supporting the run well enough on the edge too.

Can we talk about the linebackers here? There aren’t any in the middle. We’re ok at edge if you think Ojulari will be a piece next season, but we have NO thumpers.

No depth at DL. No middle linebackers and only one edge that causes problems. And 3/4 of the secondary is out. There’s your problem(s) — some are fixable from within, some need reinforcements via FA and the draft.

The offense is kind of easier in my view.

.. ytd

To develop and rotate
DJ Davidson might be part of the solution. But I am thinking 3/4 rd DT with upside in the draft. Somewhere between ( pick 80 and 120)
My first 5 picks thru rd 4 would hopefully include ILB, DT, CB, and two WR

Is a good position to improve in FA. You can get a good ILB (see: Martinez, Blake) for reasonable money. I’d look for someone as a FA to improve that position. Immediate improvement and saves draft picks for WR, DL OL.

In comment 15922917 dancing blue bear said:

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It’s the ILB that’s been the main problem with the run defense. We aren’t getting gashed up the middle so much as the edges. We have been mixing and matching the mlbs all season long. It’s def been a problem. I would agree that DL depth has become a problem due to injury and our 2 horses probably are playing too many snaps right now,

Agree with that. My understanding of a 3-man front is that the defensive linemen take on the blockers so the LBs can make the tackles. The Giants’ tackling machine was released and is now retired. No one has replaced him and it may take another big free agent signing to replace him.

Wink started his introduction to the defensive team telling them they need to make teams one dimensional.

I have a lot of trust in Wink but I think we see some big changes to the front 7 this offseason. His track record has been stoning the run and that is critical with his overall scheme.

This is very important to solve as the NFCE teams devote a lot of resources to the OL and they all try to run the ball. I think JS will recognize this and act accordingly.

In comment 15922869 greatgrandpa said:

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But with these two excellent defensive lineman in the center teams are gashing the Giants in the run game and it must be fixed going into next year. Maybe a run clogger next to them? . If you can’t stop the run in the NFL the other team keeps the ball for longer drives and usually scores. It also wears out your lineman by the fourth quarter in close games. Bottom line is you will rarely beat good teams. The run defense is a huge fix for Schoen

Linebacker

seem to be doing at least a decent job containing the edge. Having someone like Martinez would have saved a half a dozen easy TDs this year.

desperately

They must get more stout up the middle. They could certainly get better at DT, but I wouldn't prioritize it as top of the needs list.

In comment 15923311 JonC said:

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They must get more stout up the middle. They could certainly get better at DT, but I wouldn't prioritize it as top of the needs list.

Agreed - the ILBs are the problem. Yes they could use a couple stout DTs to spell LW and DL - but that is UDFAs, or 3rd day people(or low level FAs).

The Giants have arguably the best DT duo in franchise history with Williams and Lawrence. The problem is that the ILB's are among the worst duo in the NFL. They also haven't had Ojulari for nearly the entire season.

The biggest need on this team is clearly WR.

In comment 15923307 JerrysKids said:

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desperately

Yes, but what type? Two-down thumpers? Guys who can drop well into coverage and play man 30 yards downfield? I'm not quite sure what Wink wants with his linebackers considering he likes to take them off the field on passing downs.

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In comment 15923307 JerrysKids said: Quote: desperately Yes, but what type? Two-down thumpers? Guys who can drop well into coverage and play man 30 yards downfield? I'm not quite sure what Wink wants with his linebackers considering he likes to take them off the field on passing downs.

I learned a lot from Wink in his pressers. Someone asked him about the LB position and how he knows he has a good one. Wink said something like if they have great hands he has a LB. The ILB was also the position he broke into the league with (and also played) and he said it is a that position group is one he still is very devoted to. I'm optimistic it gets fixed but its a good question you ask.

and Davidson will be back next year. I see Lawrence getting resigned. Not enough $ to go around re: Williams.

He's very expensive for a 3-4 DT, and they're about to pay Dexter too. If they deem LW too expensive etc, then I'd expect investment at DL via the draft and put talent in the pipeline. But, far from the roster's biggest need at the moment. They have a significant need at Edge, if Ojulari can't escape the injury bug, and CB remains a big need as well as ILB x 2.