John Mara releases statement on MetLife Turf

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and open up photoshop

is accurate from my perspective. If you've ever walked the field at MetLife, it's a hard surface and not that much better than the old turf fields.

The Jets who play on the SAME FIELD are one of the LEAST injured teams.

there is more wrong than the field.

feelings about Mara are, he gives a damn. When his players get injured, he hurts like the rest of the fans.

In comment 15922759 robbieballs2003 said:

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But the last time they did grass it was a complete mess.

Ended up with colored dirt or freshly laid sod that just tore up all over the place.

as if there is some governing body within that building that would decide or have a say in what field is used. I thought the Giants and Jets owned the stadium.

But didn't the Giants switch to a grass field about 15 years ago and it was so bad they switched to the current field?

In comment 15922785 JohnG in Albany said:

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In comment 15922759 robbieballs2003 said: Quote: . But the last time they did grass it was a complete mess. Ended up with colored dirt or freshly laid sod that just tore up all over the place.

The point is this should be a collaborative process. Players are the ones playing on it and they should be very involved.

Was at the old Giants Stadium during the year they won the NFC beating Vikings scoring 41 points - "painted mud"
MetLife is a different structure located on the property in a slightly different spot. I am sure there'll need to be a new approach if they are entertaining a real grass field.

latest tweet in which he said teams need to get rid of turf.

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But didn't the Giants switch to a grass field about 15 years ago and it was so bad they switched to the current field?

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From its opening in 1976 until 2000, the stadium had Astroturf as its playing surface. In 2000, it was replaced with natural grass. However, after the 2002 season the grass field was then replaced with Fieldturf.

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and if there are some, the Giants and a Jets should just tell whomever that there’s a blackout window for field use during the season. If it’s just the Giants and Jets using the stadium then, I think grass could be very doable.

Year after year ruined by these horrific injuries and now the concession that it was a contributing factor.

How you could cheap out on something so vital to the product is hard to fathom.

I thought the FieldTurf was a big part of the problem. Until I took a long look at the 'Man Games Lost' Bubble Chart that's posted weekly on twitter.

Per the latest 'Man Games Lost' Bubble Chart, the Jets have the 4th fewest at 77.

The Giants have the most Man Games Lost at 153.

NFL through week 11, Bottom 5, least games missed by injured players and health protocols

JAX 38
KAN 63
PHI 72
NYJ 77
CHI BUF GNB 83

It ain't only the FieldTurf -- Strength & Conditioning has a role in this large disparity.

where it rains and it's a good old fashioned mud bowl

If they're really gonna change it, just get a consensus on which stadium the PLAYERS say has the BEST artificial turf (most say it's Dallas), and then just buy that same turf.


It's not going to be grass at MetLife.

In comment 15922786 DefenseWins said:

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as if there is some governing body within that building that would decide or have a say in what field is used. I thought the Giants and Jets owned the stadium.

There is actually a separate corporate entity that controls the stadium. It’s a joint venture between the two teams (and maybe more?), so Mara can’t just decide to install grass without the other partners.

1. What are the injury statistics from high school and college sports across the country - football, soccer, lacrosse. Most facilities have gone to FieldTurf. And now many baseball stadiums are doing the same.

2. MetLife is a multipurpose facility that is rented out to host a variety of events. It is a profit seeking enterprise separate from the teams (but owned by the teams) that effectively acts as a real estate company managing event space. So more goes into the decision about the appropriate surface.

3. One big positive that could have an impact on the decision is the World Cup. As in the 90’s, all games must be played on natural grass. So MetLife will need to accommodate when the U.S. is the host nation in 2026. Especially since they are vying for the finals.

In comment 15922817 Named Later said:

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I thought the FieldTurf was a big part of the problem. Until I took a long look at the 'Man Games Lost' Bubble Chart that's posted weekly on twitter. Per the latest 'Man Games Lost' Bubble Chart, the Jets have the 4th fewest at 77. The Giants have the most Man Games Lost at 153. NFL through week 11, Bottom 5, least games missed by injured players and health protocols JAX 38 KAN 63 PHI 72 NYJ 77 CHI BUF GNB 83 It ain't only the FieldTurf -- Strength & Conditioning has a role in this large disparity.

Shhhh…people are scapegoating and do not like facts that interrupt their emotional beliefs.

To do with brain injuries for years now say no difference between grass and the green concrete rug. The players who actually play on it (not us fans) say it’s much worse. As Groucho once said “who you gonna believe, me or your own lying eyes.?’

The Giants scored 41 points on the field that day and Mara was proud of standing in that mud with his team. He even mentioned the mud in his post game speech. It was real football in the elements and one of the great wins in franchise history . I’m know I’m old but I like that part of the game. The ice bowl, 65 Browns Packers, the Giants Packers championship etc. greatest games you will ever watch. They don’t cancel games because of rain or snow or freezing weather but some don’t want to play on mud? The players want grass, their careers are short as it is. Holy smoke, figure out a way to make grass work.

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In comment 15922759 robbieballs2003 said: Quote: . But the last time they did grass it was a complete mess. Ended up with colored dirt or freshly laid sod that just tore up all over the place.

That was like 30 years ago though, wasn't it? At Giants stadium?

What is the next boogeyman?

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What is the next boogeyman?

Gophers.

In comment 15922817 Named Later said:

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I thought the FieldTurf was a big part of the problem. Until I took a long look at the 'Man Games Lost' Bubble Chart that's posted weekly on twitter. Per the latest 'Man Games Lost' Bubble Chart, the Jets have the 4th fewest at 77. The Giants have the most Man Games Lost at 153. NFL through week 11, Bottom 5, least games missed by injured players and health protocols JAX 38 KAN 63 PHI 72 NYJ 77 CHI BUF GNB 83 It ain't only the FieldTurf -- Strength & Conditioning has a role in this large disparity.

Thanks for posting that. Very interesting intel.

indoor gardening the last 20 years, I would love to see them bring back a grass tray system. After games, they could be removed and placed in a stacked storage system that gets good lighting and hydroponically watered. Any damaged grass could be quickly repaired in those optimal growing conditions and they could have a bunch of extra trays ready to go while repairs happen. The technology is here and I'm very surprised it hasn't been tried yet.

In comment 15922880 bw in dc said:

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In comment 15922817 Named Later said: Quote: I thought the FieldTurf was a big part of the problem. Until I took a long look at the 'Man Games Lost' Bubble Chart that's posted weekly on twitter. Per the latest 'Man Games Lost' Bubble Chart, the Jets have the 4th fewest at 77. The Giants have the most Man Games Lost at 153. NFL through week 11, Bottom 5, least games missed by injured players and health protocols JAX 38 KAN 63 PHI 72 NYJ 77 CHI BUF GNB 83 It ain't only the FieldTurf -- Strength & Conditioning has a role in this large disparity. Thanks for posting that. Very interesting intel.

Is this for 2022 only?

Giants put in grass and the injuries double

and only for the Giants

In comment 15922814 mittenedman said:

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Year after year ruined by these horrific injuries and now the concession that it was a contributing factor. How you could cheap out on something so vital to the product is hard to fathom.

Companies and big businesses make decisions of profit over employee/consumer welfare all the time, so its almost expected the Mara/Tisch/Woody evil hive mind would do the same.

In comment 15922817 Named Later said:

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I thought the FieldTurf was a big part of the problem. Until I took a long look at the 'Man Games Lost' Bubble Chart that's posted weekly on twitter. Per the latest 'Man Games Lost' Bubble Chart, the Jets have the 4th fewest at 77. The Giants have the most Man Games Lost at 153. NFL through week 11, Bottom 5, least games missed by injured players and health protocols JAX 38 KAN 63 PHI 72 NYJ 77 CHI BUF GNB 83 It ain't only the FieldTurf -- Strength & Conditioning has a role in this large disparity.

Absolutely. This is systemic. It is never either or it is and and both. There are multiple things contributing to these injuries. No one thing is going to change it. Everything needs to be questioned and analyzed and researched.

a issue. I expect this to be a very big issue this offseason in the league and hopefully the league and NFLPA work together to come of with the best course of action.

It would be great if they can pull off a grass field but it seems its a challenge in the late season.

Mara did say they changed the field 3 years ago.

In comment 15922762 j_rud said:

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and open up photoshop

lol. It worked last time!

Is 100% correct. It's more then the field. I believe it's the medical staff. They need wholesale changes. I hear that the reputation of the Giants medical staff is impeccable. UT sometimes that is the problem. It's not us, we are great. Something is wrong.

play on same field and have far less injuries. I'm fine with improving the field but its not the problem

In comment 15922780 blueblood said:

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The Jets who play on the SAME FIELD are one of the LEAST injured teams. there is more wrong than the field.

True. Saint Ronnie Barnes abides...

the field is bad, but the discrepancy between the Giants and other teams that play on the same turf suggests there is much more to this.

how many more players have to have their careers ruined before Mara cleans house of all strength, conditioning, and training personnel? everyone in the building responsible for keeping players in shape and healthy should lose their job given how consistently injured we are.

re: the stadium, there’s another factor at play, which is how the stadium was financed and how the teams pay back their loans. the financing arrangement pretty much requires the stadium to be used for all sorts of other events, more so than most other multi-purpose stadiums, which makes the grass situation much harder to solve.

In comment 15922762 j_rud said:

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and open up photoshop

ha

The painted mud field was 20 years ago, and there are now two NFL stadiums that have managed to make grass work (Arizona and Vegas). Vegas actually rolls the grass in over the field turf as needed. That being said, the lack of injuries to the Jets makes me think that the Giants seriously need to re-evaluate their strength and conditioning practices, because there is something wrong there.

Most fields field turf. Does Minnesota play on natural grass. What about Dallas, Washington,and Philly. Reading these threads you would think the Giants are the only team in the nfl playing on this surface.

but is it possible to put the astro turf on a slightly software substance that would mimic the give of grass on dirt?

and call in the excorcists.

In comment 15922963 thefan said:

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but is it possible to put the astro turf on a slightly software substance that would mimic the give of grass on dirt?

*softer

there are several types/brands of field turf. the Giants play on the same turf as the Vikings and Bengals, but not all field turf is the same.

frankly, this is something that should be regulated league-wide. owners left up to their own devices re surfaces will not always do what’s best for the players.

In comment 15922780 blueblood said:

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The Jets who play on the SAME FIELD are one of the LEAST injured teams. there is more wrong than the field.

__________Maybe the wrong cleats.

Think back to the buzz around Kenny Phillips and Steve Smith's knee injuries. KP seemed terrified of the Giants medical approach.

In comment 15922797 blueberry said:

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Was at the old Giants Stadium during the year they won the NFC beating Vikings scoring 41 points - "painted mud" MetLife is a different structure located on the property in a slightly different spot. I am sure there'll need to be a new approach if they are entertaining a real grass field.

If you want to protect the players, painted mud is probably the best surface. Looks like hell and the networks would throw a fit, but there wouldn’t be many leg injuries. You might have a few players at the bottom of a pile drown in the mud though.

They would have hired the same guy that designed the Cardinals stadium. The grass is on a huge moveable tray. You could have 2 fields, change one out for the teams, pls a opening roof. They could have made much more Monday and hosted national championship games plus super bowls such a shit design

Not monday.

In comment 15922762 j_rud said:

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and open up photoshop

LOL is not adequate for the laughs I got from that remark. Well done!

they should limit the stadium to only Jets and Giants and have grass surface.