”The next field in the stadium is the subject of ongoing discussion between the Jets, the stadium and us,” the spokesman relayed on Mara’s behalf. “John has heard from the players and other experts about playing surfaces as part of his roles on the player safety and health committee, competition committee and management council.
“He expects to have conversations with our players as we move along in the process of selecting a new field,” |
Perhaps the stadium will end up with grass after all.
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LOL is not adequate for the laughs I got from that remark. Well done!
Your right that was perfect timing. Biggest laugh of the holiday so far.
Do you understand that new jersey has winter and Arizona does not?
It's becoming more accepted that you can be strong AND flexible; strength does not come at the expense of flexibility and vice versa. I suspect that if the Giants switched to a more functional movement type approach, it would reduce their injuries.
For instance, IMO the bench press is a completely useless exercise for football. How often does a guy have his hands in that position during a play? Guys are moving around extending their hands outside the framework of their body, moving their arms at different angles relative to the chest. And if you only train them to move their arms perpendicular to the chest like in a bench, is it really a surprise when guys tear their pecs?
Literally everything that comes out of your mouth is some combination of wrong and stupid.
Arizona Cardinals - State Farm Stadium, Bermuda grass
Baltimore Ravens - M&T Bank Stadium, Bermuda grass
Chicago Bears - Soldier Field, Kentucky bluegrass
Cleveland Browns - FirstEnergy Stadium, Kentucky bluegrass
Denver Broncos - Empower Field at Mile High, Kentucky bluegrass
Green Bay Packers - Lambeau Field, Desso GrassMasterPro
Indianapolis Colts - Lucas Oil Stadium, Shaw Sports Momentum
Jacksonville Jaguars - TIAA Bank Field, Bermuda grass
Kansas City Chiefs - Arrowhead Stadium, Bermuda grass
Las Vegas Raiders - Allegiant Stadium, Bermuda grass
Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Raymond James Stadium, Bermuda grass
Tennessee Titans - Nissan Stadium, Bermuda grass
Washington Football Team - FedExField, Bermuda grass
Philadelphia Eagles, Lincoln Financial Field, Desso GrassMaster
Pittsburgh Steelers, Heinz Field, Kentucky bluegrass
San Francisco 49ers, Levi’s Stadium, Bermuda grass, Perennial Ryegrass mixture
BTW -- Dallas plays on a synthetic turf with the trade name of Matrix Turf. Jerrah holds all kinds of events in his Palace, including Monster Truck Jams and Rodeos, with no apparent ill effects to his Cowboys.
Here's a link to the twitter guy who follows Man Games Lost.
I think a more helpful stat would be lower body injuries on grass vs turf -- ankles, hammies, knees, quads and hips. What does the surface do to players' legs ??
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I have been saying in multiple threads over the past few weeks that we have a strength and conditioning issue. My comments are not specific to ACLs, but all soft tissue injuries.
We have a lot of hamstring injuries too and none of those are likely attributed to the turf. Instead, I will stand firm on an improper leg strengthening program including weight lifting, stretching, and the timing of when you lift and then run sprints.
There's a slight discrepancy between NYC weather and that of the Southwest.
Ronnie Barnes is the Trainer. He’s responsible for getting guys back from injuries and onto the field. While also dealing with injuries that happen during a game or practice.
The S&C coach is the one who is responsible for their workouts and trying to prevent all these injuries with proper workouts, stretching, lifting etc.
Ronnie Barnes is the Trainer. He’s responsible for getting guys back from injuries and onto the field. While also dealing with injuries that happen during a game or practice.
The S&C coach is the one who is responsible for their workouts and trying to prevent all these injuries with proper workouts, stretching, lifting etc.
Sam Coad and Craig Fitzgerald are the two individuals in charge of strength & conditioning. Coad comes from Texas A&M, and was brought in this year by the new regime. Craig Fitzgerald was hired in 2020 and worked for Bill O’Brien in Houston and for college programs run by two of Judge’s assistants (the Vols, Penn State).
So neither one is a Giants holdover. Yet the injuries continue.
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They would have hired the same guy that designed the Cardinals stadium. The grass is on a huge moveable tray. You could have 2 fields, change one out for the teams, pls a opening roof. They could have made much more Monday and hosted national championship games plus super bowls such a shit design
Do you understand that new jersey has winter and Arizona does not?
Honestly if these 2 teams were less cheap and more creative it could work. Put the fields on rolling surfaces, they move down into a grow room with grow lighting, temp controlled, etc. Underneath is a turf field for other non NFL events.
Two billion dollar businesses together can’t make it work?
Honestly if these 2 teams were less cheap and more creative it could work. Put the fields on rolling surfaces, they move down into a grow room with grow lighting, temp controlled, etc. Underneath is a turf field for other non NFL events.
Two billion dollar businesses together can’t make it work?
Something tells me that they didn't get to be billion dollar businesses by putting money into things like rotating surfaces for the playing field when they have an effective alternative available.
Signed someone who believes that there are more variances to the issue than just the field type and doesn't believe Ron Barnes post-injury responsibilities are causing more injuries
1. The turf
2. strength and conditioning
3. bad luck
We have heard all three. I am not singing up for the bad luck excuse. Bad luck does not continue to happen like this year after year.
Are there any other possible reasons?
1. The turf
2. strength and conditioning
3. bad luck
We have heard all three. I am not singing up for the bad luck excuse. Bad luck does not continue to happen like this year after year.
Are there any other possible reasons?
You are leaving out the biggest variance which is individual players. In fact, look at some of the free agents signings over the past few seasons. The reason why some of those players were available was because they were injured. For example - Gano, Adoree Jackson, Golladay, Golden Tate, and Nate Solder. (Solder played a full season before coming to the Giants but has missed 12 games the previous year.)
Now, the Giants have recently switched from a veteran loaded roster to a team heavily loaded with younger players. As one of the better posters on BBI pointed out, most rookies in the league haven't had an off-season since they had to prepare for the bowl season, then the combine, then rookie camp a few weeks later, and then straight to training camp. In my opinion, that takes a toll on the body, no matter what age you are.
I strongly suspect the Giant's injury luck is going to even out very soon as they become a middle of the pack team in terms of average age
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You could be right about the lack of rest between college and the pro training schedule.
OR..it could also be tied to how we deal and train these players KNOWING they have not had much rest over the past year. We could be putting them into a more intense program that their bodies are unable to deal with yet.
We both could be saying the same thing and IMO, our training program should be (hopefully is) designed around caution.
Unrelated to the recent leg related injuries, but do you remember many years ago (I think after our last Superbowl), we had two guys with a torn pectoral muscle? I think one was from lifting and the other happened in a game. Both larger men who play on the line of scrimmage. I always felt like getting injured in the weight room is a huge fuck up and should not happen.
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As one of the better posters on BBI pointed out, most rookies in the league haven't had an off-season since they had to prepare for the bowl season, then the combine, then rookie camp a few weeks later, and then straight to training camp. In my opinion, that takes a toll on the body, no matter what age you are.
You could be right about the lack of rest between college and the pro training schedule.
OR..it could also be tied to how we deal and train these players KNOWING they have not had much rest over the past year. We could be putting them into a more intense program that their bodies are unable to deal with yet.
We both could be saying the same thing and IMO, our training program should be (hopefully is) designed around caution.
Unrelated to the recent leg related injuries, but do you remember many years ago (I think after our last Superbowl), we had two guys with a torn pectoral muscle? I think one was from lifting and the other happened in a game. Both larger men who play on the line of scrimmage. I always felt like getting injured in the weight room is a huge fuck up and should not happen.
In season training should be lighter weight, so absolutely a weight room injury should not happen in season. The time for heavy and intense programming is in the off-season. Football is hard enough to recover from, no need to add an intense lifting regimen on top of it.
But without seeing what the SnC coaches are actually programming it is a bit difficult for me to place blame there
Sounds expensive.
Or a home rain game.
Or any weather besides gusty wind at home?
Worried about the cost of grass management for a franchise that's probably worth more than 4bn.
Such as McKinney's Cabo-Wabo foolishness ? Or Golladay's malingering ?? Or Phoney Toney's Bullshit Act ??
But even deducting those kinds of injuries would still leave the Giants at around 130 Man Games Lost, and way above the norm.
It's becoming more accepted that you can be strong AND flexible; strength does not come at the expense of flexibility and vice versa. I suspect that if the Giants switched to a more functional movement type approach, it would reduce their injuries.
For instance, IMO the bench press is a completely useless exercise for football. How often does a guy have his hands in that position during a play? Guys are moving around extending their hands outside the framework of their body, moving their arms at different angles relative to the chest. And if you only train them to move their arms perpendicular to the chest like in a bench, is it really a surprise when guys tear their pecs?
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The turf in twist does bond up the cleat. I used my finger and twisted down on the turf. The plastic fiber gets stronger. It's like kelp under torsion and will NOT let go. You can imagine with a guy like Saquon driving and twisting down and your clear meets the stitching and knots up and unless you pull straight out the lateral motion just ceases. Try it
I agree with this 1000% ! Andre Tippet was a black belt and used his hands to gain an advantage vs the opponent.
Just think about how many positions on the field where this can help. On the line of scrimmage, WRs, and CBs.
Imagine our corners jamming receivers and being able to get them off balance based upon what they learn with martial arts training vs old school coaching.
Martial arts is also not just about hands, but also being on balance with your footwork.