A bit of an issue with GM

Smaller wrs and rbs can’t play or survive in nfl. I didn’t know that, but all I went on is the mountains of actual real true evidence that proves otherwise.

In comment 15922974 djm said:

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Smaller wrs and rbs can’t play or survive in nfl. I didn’t know that, but all I went on is the mountains of actual real true evidence that proves otherwise.

Interesting. How many superstar WR's in the NFL are 5'8? It's a legitimate concern.

Those two inches keep him from getting hurt? Robinson is 5’8 —185.

Meggett was the shortest guy on the field and usually the most dangerous. Joe Morris was 5’7. Eric metcalf? Marshall Faulk? Ok they were rbs but why can they survive yet a short wr can’t? Deshaun Jackson ring a bell?

Nicks was tall and thick. Hurt and done before 27.

His knee exploded in an awkward sideline play.

I remember being concerned about his height when he was drafted. Even if he's ultimately remembered as a failure, it won't be because of his ability as a WR.

185.

He was likely drafted to be a gadget type player who we know they wanted to replace Toney with.

I’m guessing Schoen and Daboll weren’t viewing him as being an alpha #1 receiver. That player will be drafted soon enough and Robinson should flourish in the second WR role. You can’t fix everything in one offseason. Especially when there was virtually no cap room this season and more pressing needs at edge and offensive line to address with blue chip players at the top of round 1.

In comment 15922991 djm said:

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185.

An extra inch and NE may have one more trophy!

Was 6’5 his knee wouldn’t have exploded when he landed?

If you look at injury data, bigger players get hurt way more often

were like kicks to the stomach on draft day. As was Jets taking Sauce in front of us (different story).

I swear Giants can avoid some simple obvious mistake just by consulting some of us on bbi. Or not.

In comment 15922994 DC Gmen Fan said:

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In comment 15922991 djm said: Quote: 185. An extra inch and NE may have one more trophy!

That play Still scares me!

Have so many analytical tools at their disposal. They know everything there is to know about what works and what doesn’t work. If there was such a thing as too short they’d follow that to the T.

Shirt guys can thrive in the nfl. Short guys can avoid injury in the nfl. Any player can be injury prone despite never missing a game in college.

No one wants to accept it. It’s LUCK, more often than not. It’s out of your hands people. There’s no magic secret sauce.

After the draft. Yes, he might have been overdrafted if that was their intent but they looked at him as a playmaker. He shouldn’t have even been playing as a #2 receiver except that the Giants didn’t have anyone better available.

He was Levis’ favorite receiver so maybe next year !!!

John Randle was too small to play DT
Warrick Dunn was too small to play RB
Sam Mills was too small to play LB
Ray Lewis was too small to play MLB
Steve Smith was too small to play WR
Dave Meggett was too small to play RB

etc etc etc etc

Wandale Robinson was one of the most productive WRs in the SEC and if you saw interviews with SEC CB's a few of them said he was the hardest to cover.

Cole Beasley was productive for the Cowboys/Bills is 5'8.

Darren Sproles was 5'6" also a productive NFL player.

Wes Welker EXTREMELY productive receiver was 5'9"

Its about how you use the size.

If you had a a WR1 that you actually had to worry about and defend you would see how dangerous Robinson would be being moved around and coming out of the slot.. in fact you started to see that in the game he got hurt.

Flott is a coverage linebacker who would play in the slot in most cases. He would not be matched up against a physical guy on the outside.. unfortunately we lost Jackson, Robinson and Moreau. So that pretty much moves us down the depth chart.

Older players are more reliable than younger players when it comes to injury. Sounds crazy, go ahead and prove me wrong. Gimme the 29 year old grizzled veteran over the fresh faced 22 year old for one season, talent being equal.

Everyone loves the young player. They get hurt and don’t know how to manage their health and body through an nfl game and season and it shows time and time again.

In comment 15923009 djm said:

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Older players are more reliable than younger players when it comes to injury. Sounds crazy, go ahead and prove me wrong. Gimme the 29 year old grizzled veteran over the fresh faced 22 year old for one season, talent being equal. Everyone loves the young player. They get hurt and don’t know how to manage their health and body through an nfl game and season and it shows time and time again.

A lot of rookies get hurt because they havent had the rest time. They finish the college season.. train for the combine.. train for pro days.. rookie mini camp... training camp. preseason.. and then a MUCH longer, more physical season..

The Vet learns how to train AND recover.. and recovery is a HUGE part of cutting down injuries..

In comment 15923009 djm said:

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Older players are more reliable than younger players when it comes to injury. Sounds crazy, go ahead and prove me wrong. Gimme the 29 year old grizzled veteran over the fresh faced 22 year old for one season, talent being equal. Everyone loves the young player. They get hurt and don’t know how to manage their health and body through an nfl game and season and it shows time and time again.

Very interesting take. I don’t think I would be interested in a 29-year old grizzled veteran but maybe a 26 or 27-year old coming off his first contract.

Wandale and Flott just raises some eyeball test red flags.

And I would not waste any resource on an undersized "slot" CB with most teams playing a lot of 11 personnel on run-pass plays. An undersized slot CB is really only good for obvious passing downs - basically a specialist of a specialty position.

In comment 15922991 djm said:

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185.

He might've made the catch at the end of SB 46, if he was 5'10"! But I don't care anymore!

- Gisele Bundchen

mock drafts from guys like Kiper and Mcshay?

is overused by clueless fans.

Joe Morris was short, not small. He was built like a rock. Sam Mills was another short but not small guy.

A guy who is just plain small is going to have trouble surviving in the NFL.

NOT undersized. If he weighed 20 lbs more he would have been a first rd pick (not my assessment but the draft gurus before the draft).
Robinson is very stocky, reminds me of Steve Smith (Carolina’s not ours) in his build. His 2 major injuries this year had zip to do with his size. He got hit ON the knee in the season opener and then our lovely turf got his knee the other week.
These size discussions Are idiotic

In comment 15922996 ajr2456 said:

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Was 6’5 his knee wouldn’t have exploded when he landed? If you look at injury data, bigger players get hurt way more often

I never said that
Not blaming injury on wandale size
What i said is i like measurables in first 3 rds and lack of size for both makes me think they were both overdrafted Like i said Nit picking , not major concern
I just think he got a little too cute this early in draft

In comment 15922998 Spiciest Memelord said:

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were like kicks to the stomach on draft day. As was Jets taking Sauce in front of us (different story). I swear Giants can avoid some simple obvious mistake just by consulting some of us on bbi. Or not.

ok this pisses me off, you can't just say that and not say who of Neal/Kayvon we dont take.

outside of a few longtime and exceptional posters, most of BBI doesnt know shit.

In comment 15923014 blueblood said:

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In comment 15923009 djm said: Quote: Older players are more reliable than younger players when it comes to injury. Sounds crazy, go ahead and prove me wrong. Gimme the 29 year old grizzled veteran over the fresh faced 22 year old for one season, talent being equal. Everyone loves the young player. They get hurt and don’t know how to manage their health and body through an nfl game and season and it shows time and time again. A lot of rookies get hurt because they havent had the rest time. They finish the college season.. train for the combine.. train for pro days.. rookie mini camp... training camp. preseason.. and then a MUCH longer, more physical season.. The Vet learns how to train AND recover.. and recovery is a HUGE part of cutting down injuries..

Absolutely

In comment 15923017 Ivan15 said:

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In comment 15923009 djm said: Quote: Older players are more reliable than younger players when it comes to injury. Sounds crazy, go ahead and prove me wrong. Gimme the 29 year old grizzled veteran over the fresh faced 22 year old for one season, talent being equal. Everyone loves the young player. They get hurt and don’t know how to manage their health and body through an nfl game and season and it shows time and time again. Very interesting take. I don’t think I would be interested in a 29-year old grizzled veteran but maybe a 26 or 27-year old coming off his first contract.

Fair enough. Maybe 29 was a stretch but my point stands.

not so sure about Flott - but will give him at least another season before I get too down on him

all in all I think our GM did much better than I expected with his 11 draft picks -- it seems like all of them will make contributions to the team in some fashion -- that's a pretty good kill rate -- if Flott is the only player who bombs out -- I can live with that not many GMs can bat 90% or better -- especially at the back end of the draft

there are 3-7th rounders who have made contributions to the team and his two number 1's were team anchor solid picks

comes back healthy and does not lose anything. Look forward to Flott playing more.

I am happy with the draft class. I hated the scholarship mentality but both players in question should at least get year 2.

Maybe Flott is not a star but you need role players and perhaps Wink carves out a important one for him.

5'9" 195 lb.

In comment 15923074 gidiefor said:

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not so sure about Flott - but will give him at least another season before I get too down on him all in all I think our GM did much better than I expected with his 11 draft picks -- it seems like all of them will make contributions to the team in some fashion -- that's a pretty good kill rate -- if Flott is the only player who bombs out -- I can live with that not many GMs can bat 90% or better -- especially at the back end of the draft there are 3-7th rounders who have made contributions to the team and his two number 1's were team anchor solid picks

I give gm a good grade for draft Just being a monday morning qb My guess is flott was a 4/5 rd guy Maybe wandale more mid 3
I like how wandale looks Wouldve love a guy like pickens

Sprain. For every wandale robinson there are 3 Ramses bardens. Giants lose 2 in a row and the bad takes start flowing.

He has good hair perfect teeth and he dresses well. Give me Gettleman who looked like a slob to make me feel better

when the Eagles drafted Devonta Smith just ahead of us, all 170 pounds of him.

In comment 15923004 Ivan15 said:

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After the draft. Yes, he might have been overdrafted if that was their intent but they looked at him as a playmaker. He shouldn’t have even been playing as a #2 receiver except that the Giants didn’t have anyone better available. He was Levis’ favorite receiver so maybe next year !!!

Gadget players don't catch 104 passes in a season

In comment 15923097 Larry in Pencilvania said:

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He has good hair perfect teeth and he dresses well. Give me Gettleman who looked like a slob to make me feel better

At least you have Daboll….

How do you know they were over drafted?

They obviously think he has elite cover skills making him a good pick at that point.

In comment 15923055 Rory said:

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In comment 15922998 Spiciest Memelord said: Quote: were like kicks to the stomach on draft day. As was Jets taking Sauce in front of us (different story). Kayvon. Neal would have been drafted. I swear Giants can avoid some simple obvious mistake just by consulting some of us on bbi. Or not. ok this pisses me off, you can't just say that and not say who of Neal/Kayvon we dont take. outside of a few longtime and exceptional posters, most of BBI doesnt know shit.

not because he was small but because we used a first rounder with KT the year before and they had similar skill set and size profile. I do prefer players that fit more of a NFL prototype and generally agree that the size if a smaller player would be better to get later in the draft or as a free agents. Not in the first or second round.

have a specific purpose and fit what they are trying to build. I got the feeling from DG that he was throwing darts at a board to often.

Did ok. Not the size of the dog in the fight, size if the fight in the dog matters most.

Just bringing up a minor gripe, not a our GM stinks thread
Or that he doesn’t know what he is doing
I just don’t want size to be a potential limiting factor early in draft
In my simplistic mind, it makes more sense in mid rds
I think wandale showed a good amount so far
Also think he was redundant with Toney, but that makes sense now
New staff gave him a chance but I think they thought he was a knucklehead from the start.

In comment 15923446 Payasdaddy said:

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Just bringing up a minor gripe, not a our GM stinks thread Or that he doesn’t know what he is doing I just don’t want size to be a potential limiting factor early in draft In my simplistic mind, it makes more sense in mid rds I think wandale showed a good amount so far Also think he was redundant with Toney, but that makes sense now New staff gave him a chance but I think they thought he was a knucklehead from the start.

I’ll take the research and scouting that Schoen and his staff do over your uninformed personal preferences of just drafting size.

How big do you think CBs are supposed to be?

He can probably put on 10 pounds with a year in a pro strength program.

In comment 15923492 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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How big do you think CBs are supposed to be? He can probably put on 10 pounds with a year in a pro strength program.

6’8” and 240 with 4.2 speed. There were at least 5 of them on the board when Schoen mistakenly grabbed Flott.