Time Machine: Would You Go Back and Pick Up Jones's Option?

In comment 15923661 Rick in Dallas said:

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I’m neutral right now on DJ. Waiting for the season to be finished before I make a decision . I do think Schoen made the right decision on not exercising the option .

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I don't see Jones as "The Guy" (Franchise QB for the next 10 years)
But he could be the right guy for right now (a QB that can win for the next 2-4 years while you find The Guy)

I actually think a few of his bad games make him more likely to come back as his cost probably won't be so astronomical in Free Agency.

I didn't think he was worth over $20M then, nor do I think so now.

Huge game next Sunday, December 4. That is a place where almost no one thought they would be, even the most optimistic of us.

Here s what I know. Daniel Jones is the quarterback for the Giants against Wash next Sunday, I m really excited about this game, and a chance at the play offs.

No one has engaged more in the Daniel Jones situation than me, but I m am shocked at how much energy is being spent on this site about his situation when the Giants are playing games that really matter in December, something we have all been pining for. I mean that s obsessive even for this place

It seems some really are more to focused on being right about this situation than the team s success.

I m done with the Jone s discussion, at this point it is what it is, win Sunday and let Schoen figure it out

Sorry to derail your thread Christian, yours is a legit question for a fan forum, but I just don’t care about the past or Jone s future with team right now.

All I care about is Daniel leading team to victory Sunday.

In comment 15923590 section125 said:

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For $22 mill they can get some good players at different positions of need. I think it is time to change directions and move on.

This X infinity.

How many more years of data do you need? We are deep into Jones's fourth year. And while he has played better than years two and three, has he not shown anything more - to me - than he's hitting up against his ceiling: a game manager plus.

It's more than worth the risk to let Jones go in 2023. Let another team see if they can squeeze more out of Jones's limited talent.

Because I think they can still hold onto him based on this and next year's report card

In comment 15923557 charles355 said:

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My view Before Schoen did: NO Training camp: no Pre season: no After 3 games : no After 7 games: yes After 11 games: no if we win 3 more: yes if we don't win 3 more: no season is over no free agents are there and we draft at 19: maybe

I think he's one year at most here anyway. They sign hin for $25m and go get another QB in 2023 or 2024 draft.

The ball security is better. Everything that we knew before is still in front of us. Needs to run to affect the game. When he doesn't, they don't win. Misses some gotta have it throws. Not productive enough as a passer. Doesn't elevate players around him with his passing.

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He is not consistently producing enough to be getting in excess of $20M per year.

Earlier in the year he was looking like he might, but the past few weeks he has been part of the problem with the offense.

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I think the above is forgotten by many. There were questions whether Jones would be able to play again. I think the “prove it year” for Jones included the health of his neck.

Yes, I pick up the 5th year option with what we now know.

Because I don’t know whom the replacement would be, and it’s cheaper than we could likely get him. Picking too low for Stroud, Young, or Levis.

Those that say no, I’d love to hear some names. Not pragmatic to have no plan behind the “no” answer. Your committing to a more traditional rebuild. Which I think to this fan base would be painful.

In comment 15923714 joeinpa said:

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Huge game next Sunday, December 4. That is a place where almost no one thought they would be, even the most optimistic of us. .

The team is also 7-4 with our current roster of WRs. By your logic we should hang on to all of them since they are playing winning football.

I will never understand this idea that when the team is losing for three years, Daniel Jones is the victim of a poor roster and poor coaching, but when we win it is Daniel Jones who is the primary reason (despite an anemic offense). He is either responsible for win and losses directly or he isn’t. He can’t be blameless for losses and solely responsible for wins.

I think it was the right move to not pick his option up and tell him to earn his spot

In comment 15923601 DefenseWins said:

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okay, what do you think they will need to pay for some other journeyman QB? All of these guys are getting paid. So, unless you are okay with starting Tyrod next year, we ARE going to spend up for a QB. Not unless we just draft a JAG. I wish "the guy" was out there but I just dont see it.

They already have a journeyman QB in Tyrod who can win(I am not a fan, btw). He IS NOT as good as Jones. And I think he is a lot more fragile than Jones - but he was signed with an eye for holding the fort should Jones not be deemed "THE guy". If they move on and nobody signs Jones to a big deal, I would not mind a low level contract for a couple years.

It is my contention that Daboll can coach up a kid with a good arm, brains and good wheels. Jones has all those, but there is a disconnect - he looks brilliant and then clueless.

I think they can find a kid out there with potential to coach up. Like I said, I like Jones, but he is what we have seen. Lots of potential with out fully developing it.

In comment 15923753 RAIN said:

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Because I don’t know whom the replacement would be, and it’s cheaper than we could likely get him. Picking too low for Stroud, Young, or Levis. Those that say no, I’d love to hear some names. Not pragmatic to have no plan behind the “no” answer. Your committing to a more traditional rebuild. Which I think to this fan base would be painful.

Sign a quality backup who can compete for the starting job with Tyrod. Guys like McCoy, Minshew, Keenum et al are inexpensive and can win games in the NFL. Any of these guys would deliver results comparable to what DJ has done this year. Use the cap space for the must have extensions of AT and DL and then in free agency to acquire the best available WR and ILB. With this coaching staff, this will again be a playoff contending team in the coming years even if they have to franchise tag and trade Barkley.

Draft a quarterback who falls to them like Hendon Hooker in 2023 and then trade up to get a quarterback like Drake Maye in 2024. Create the proper competitive dynamic so that a young quarterback emerges and takes the brass ring rather than ceremoniously giving it to him based on the less than optimal "full bloom in love" quarterback assessment criteria.

He isn’t the guy to lead this team going forward

It's possible that we might be stuck with him for another year if the draft doesn't break our way, but committing to mediocrity and delaying the rebuild a year ahead of time is lunacy.

If we want to keep him, he'll probably be available for less $$ anyway

In comment 15923788 Jerry in_DC said:

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It's possible that we might be stuck with him for another year if the draft doesn't break our way, but committing to mediocrity and delaying the rebuild a year ahead of time is lunacy. If we want to keep him, he'll probably be available for less $$ anyway

How much do you think Jones gets on a one year deal?

Time to move on

In comment 15923792 christian said:

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In comment 15923788 Jerry in_DC said: Quote: It's possible that we might be stuck with him for another year if the draft doesn't break our way, but committing to mediocrity and delaying the rebuild a year ahead of time is lunacy. If we want to keep him, he'll probably be available for less $$ anyway How much do you think Jones gets on a one year deal?

Depends on some market factors, but I'd expect 12-15 for 1 year. I think he's on the higher end of the placeholder class.

Taking into consideration his neck injury

He will probably get multiple offers better than what the squad wants to offer him. When he is gone they can argue about the next QB for a few years.

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Not worth the 5th year option and definitely not worth the tag.

TTH and others are on point.

I use the pick traded to the Bears and take Fields.

In comment 15923857 HomerJones45 said:

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I use the pick traded to the Bears and take Fields.

I'd give up Neal and Toney and take Parsons.

1) Besides me just not thinking he's worth that much, you can't overlook he had a neck injury to end his season.

2) I don't believe he showed anywhere near enough to warrant the extra year

3) Even much improved this year, I haven't seen anywhere near enough to think we should invest multiple years and/or the market $

4) On the cheap, sure. Over $20M, I'd take my chances elsewhere. I think this staff can coach a rookie or other FA

5) I don't deny he's had a shit time here in terms of WR, OL, Barkley injuries, etc. But, at some time I still want to see a lot more from a #6 pick in year 4. The last 2 games were examples of this, for me. I just wouldn't pay the kind of $ or years to hope they both guess rightn him AND can build a top OL AND get multiple weapons at WR AND can have a solid running game all for next season. That's too much that needs to go right for over $20M

A QB whose plus traits are being a hard working teammate and an ability to run for the occasional first down?

That doesn’t compute to an option, tag or extension.

In comment 15923764 gidiefor said:

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I think it was the right move to not pick his option up and tell him to earn his spot

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With what we had seen the prior few years definitely not. He hadn't shown enough positive to warrant it nor had he stayed healthy. If he had shown promise definitely. You can only go by the facts at the time.

The team doesn't run on what ifs

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The right move at the time. In hindsight I would have picked it up. It’s a really cheap one year contract for a starting QB. Between how he has played this year and the lack of good options where we will be drafting is my reasoning.

In comment 15923884 Bold Ruler said:

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In comment 15923764 gidiefor said: Quote: I think it was the right move to not pick his option up and tell him to earn his spot This.

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I've seen on BBI that jones is no better than Taylor, Trubisky, Case Keenum, Mike Glennon and a myriad of other QBs and while I'm still not sure what he is, I am very confident that he is better than all of those guys, many people want to play Madden football, well we'll just go and get another "bridge QB". Well who is that guy, we'll just get him until we can get our own Patrick Mahomes. If you really want to see QB hell, lets start Taylor or bring in Andy Dalton or Trubisky or Trevor Simien. If the Giants want to move on from Jones they better have a plan where they can replace him with someone better. Otherwise they run the risk of improving the team around the QB position and lets be honest, that really shouldn't be too hard to as there are positions on this team that are dreadful and the injuries have been catastrophic, so with a tiny bit of luck there should be improvements at WR, TE, LB and a heck of a lot less injuries next year. Then they will be faced with Andy Dalton or Taylor at QB on an 8 or 9 win team stuck without a QB. Some want to say that Jones is a replacement level player, but yet many people figure he'll get other offers to start, probably from teams that want to improve the position because they have replacement level players.

In comment 15923764 gidiefor said:

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I think it was the right move to not pick his option up and tell him to earn his spot

But do you think he's earned it?

The Giants can do so much better at the QB position.

In comment 15923967 christian said:

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In comment 15923764 gidiefor said: Quote: I think it was the right move to not pick his option up and tell him to earn his spot But do you think he's earned it?

Nope. He's a tough competitor, but that doesn't mean hes not a QB that will win games with his ability to throw the ball

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In comment 15923962 Walker Gillette said:

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I am very confident that he is better than all of those guys

Why?

I don't really think an explanation is needed.

In comment 15924099 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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In comment 15923962 Walker Gillette said: Quote: I am very confident that he is better than all of those guys Why?

Because I've seen them all play many times, Joes has a better arm, is more accurate and can do more with his legs than most. All of the guys I've mentioned have serious flaws and make a ton of mistakes. Daniel Jones is far from perfect and I'm not entirely sure what he will become because call them excuses or not but he has really been up against it with the skill position guys and the absolutely awful OL, but he is tough and makes plays to win games, not every time and no not as much as Mahomes, but those guys don't/ We saw Glennon last year, do you want more of that? The Giants obviously think more of Jones than Taylor or Trubisky. Dislike him all you want, want him to leave that's your opinion, but he is better than the guys I mentioned by a lot

So your going with case keenum, Andy dalton, and/or another dog at QB which you’ll pay close to the same.

Dallas’ #1 defense, and nothing at WR, TE, and RB with saquon having nothing has swayed yall.

In comment 15924329 Walker Gillette said:

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In comment 15924099 Ten Ton Hammer said: Quote: In comment 15923962 Walker Gillette said: Quote: I am very confident that he is better than all of those guys Why? Because I've seen them all play many times, Joes has a better arm, is more accurate and can do more with his legs than most. All of the guys I've mentioned have serious flaws and make a ton of mistakes. Daniel Jones is far from perfect and I'm not entirely sure what he will become because call them excuses or not but he has really been up against it with the skill position guys and the absolutely awful OL, but he is tough and makes plays to win games, not every time and no not as much as Mahomes, but those guys don't/ We saw Glennon last year, do you want more of that? The Giants obviously think more of Jones than Taylor or Trubisky. Dislike him all you want, want him to leave that's your opinion, but he is better than the guys I mentioned by a lot

I’m with you.

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The only way you wouldn't is if you're definitely moving on from him.

Because Joe Schoen didn't pick up the option I am guessing DJ is gone.

The 5th year is a very cost effective move even if you're undecided. I was undecided so I would have picked up the option.

its the 35-40mm a year that concerns me

In comment 15924434 ron mexico said:

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its the 35-40mm a year that concerns me

Hey dude! I haven't seen you post in a long time. Maybe I just haven't been paying attention.

In comment 15923555 christian said:

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In comment 15923550 UConn4523 said: Quote: but I don’t think it matters. Schoen doesn’t seem like the type of guy that will delay the inevitable. I think he rips the bandaid off or signs him long term. If the Giants had picked up his option, you don't think they would have let 2023 play out on it?

I meant that now he can rip the band aid off should he not see him as a long term answer. We either get to move on a year earlier or we already have our franchise guy. The 5th year would have been fine I guess but if they aren’t sold on him now then it’s technically a good thing we aren’t committed.

Yeah, if they aren't sold on him it's good they aren't locked into a deal. I guess they could have tried to trade him line Darnols or Mayfield, but that's a gamble.