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Rattler and Penix as later round QB prospects

Now Mike in MD : 11/28/2022 1:26 pm
I'm a DJ guy and don't see us being in position to draft a top QB anyway. If we sign DJ to a reasonable contract and want to draft a development guy in the later rounds - Rattler and Penix might be good options.

Re Rattker, he was supposed to be a top guy last year, and sh&t the bed. Transfers to SC, and was really mediocre for most of the year, but the last two weeks he was great in leading SC to wins over two top 10 teams. In those two games, he threw for almost 800 yards with 8 TDs.

Maybe he has come out of this year plus rut he was in and figured things out. He has all of the tools. If we can get him in the 3rd or 4th, he might be a guy who could be worth developing.

Penix has a gun, is a good athlete, and has good size He's thrown for over 4300 yards, 29 TDs, and 7 INTs. Against, the three ranked teams they've played, he threw for close to 1100 yards, with 7 TDs.

If we could grab him in the 4th round, might be a good development guy.
I think both are priority UDFA's  
DavidinBMNY : 11/28/2022 1:29 pm : link
I like Pennix but his injury history is extensive. You can't draft him.
Penix might be worth a shot  
jeff57 : 11/28/2022 1:29 pm : link
No on Rattler
NY market.  
Beezer : 11/28/2022 1:29 pm : link
Quarterback named Penix.

What could go wrong?
That said,  
Beezer : 11/28/2022 1:30 pm : link
they'd be hard-pressed to pull Penix out of this draft of he goes too deep.
I think with the right coach  
Earl the goat : 11/28/2022 1:31 pm : link
And OC and system Rattler can be very good
Kid has big set of balls and isn’t rattled. No pun intended
RE: NY market.  
cjac : 11/28/2022 1:36 pm : link
In comment 15925201 Beezer said:
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Quarterback named Penix.

What could go wrong?


He can fill the hole of sarcasm thats been missing since Michael Cox left
Penix?  
MattinKY : 11/28/2022 1:37 pm : link
I bet he can fight with a name like that. 🤣
I wouldn't use a draft pick on either  
DavidinBMNY : 11/28/2022 1:39 pm : link
I wouldn't want Rattler. I don't like how he handled his situation, I don't blame him for leaving, i get it is a biz decision and happy he beat Clemson for him. Big accomplishment.

Pennix I really like. I felt he was a bit screwed over by IU and after so many injuries, I felt it was best for both parties he left.

RE: I think with the right coach  
GMen72 : 11/28/2022 1:40 pm : link
In comment 15925210 Earl the goat said:
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And OC and system Rattler can be very good
Kid has big set of balls and isn’t rattled. No pun intended


Lots of rumors (some true) of off the field red flags about Rattler surfaced while he was at OU (and one in HS). I'm not going to throw the kid under the bus, but Rattler is probably best avoided. Maybe he matures (A LOT?), stranger things have happened. He's got a solid arm and quick release...but is very slow for a kid his size.
Rattler? I wouldn't touch that guy with a ten foot pole  
Heisenberg : 11/28/2022 1:43 pm : link
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Both have warts  
Now Mike in MD : 11/28/2022 1:44 pm : link
but if you're drafting a QB in the 4th, 5th, etc. round,they're going to have warts.
BO  
Pete from Woodstock : 11/28/2022 1:46 pm : link
Nix!
Rick in Dallas the other day mentioned Devin Leary  
Blue21 : 11/28/2022 1:56 pm : link
From NC who is injured right now but he sure has some great stats. I m by far a QB guru but he might slip if he decides to enter the draft and be available in day two.
Rattler is red hot  
Dnew15 : 11/28/2022 1:56 pm : link
right now.

I'm terrible at evaluating college QBs, but I like watching him play right now.
RE: BO  
jeff57 : 11/28/2022 1:57 pm : link
In comment 15925265 Pete from Woodstock said:
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Nix!


Hell

No
Penix  
noro9 : 11/28/2022 2:07 pm : link
Has a gun. That's fucking awesome.
Rattler doesn't have it  
GiantGrit : 11/28/2022 2:09 pm : link
Between the ears.

I like Jaren Hall as a round 3 guy. Similar game to Kyler Murray but older, like very old around 25 years old. Also taller. Played baseball a bit there as well.
Note  
Professor Falken : 11/28/2022 2:24 pm : link
Rhule/Nebraska just poached South Carolina's OC this morning. Could play a role in whether or not Rattler declares.
What's everyones thoughts on Hendon Hooker?  
nyjuggernaut2 : 11/28/2022 2:25 pm : link
I know he tore his ACL, and next year would be a red-shirt type season for him, but would he be a good option for this team say in the 3rd round?
probably should include  
santacruzom : 11/28/2022 2:50 pm : link
Cameron Ward in this discussion too.
Pennix is a medical red flag  
anon837 : 11/28/2022 2:55 pm : link
He's missed almost as many games as he has played. Is it bad luck? Who knows. But I don't see him in the first round. He's got skill. Obviously, there will be some things to work on being a college QB. But there is a lot to work with and I'm sure Daboll (and Kafka if he is still around) will refine the gem.
RE: Pennix is a medical red flag  
Now Mike in MD : 11/28/2022 2:58 pm : link
In comment 15925429 anon837 said:
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He's missed almost as many games as he has played. Is it bad luck? Who knows. But I don't see him in the first round. He's got skill. Obviously, there will be some things to work on being a college QB. But there is a lot to work with and I'm sure Daboll (and Kafka if he is still around) will refine the gem.


I was was throwing out both as mid round projects
RE: What's everyones thoughts on Hendon Hooker?  
widmerseyebrow : 11/28/2022 3:00 pm : link
In comment 15925371 nyjuggernaut2 said:
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I know he tore his ACL, and next year would be a red-shirt type season for him, but would he be a good option for this team say in the 3rd round?


I would rather take him, ACL and all, than some high production guy with mediocre or worse arm and poor upside like some of the names being thrown around. I think Hooker was headed to the top 10 or higher before the injury.
If they like a QB  
blueblood : 11/28/2022 3:01 pm : link
they can always try and trade up for someone they really like.
RE: Note  
GiantGrit : 11/28/2022 3:02 pm : link
In comment 15925367 Professor Falken said:
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Rhule/Nebraska just poached South Carolina's OC this morning. Could play a role in whether or not Rattler declares.


Satterfield wasn't very well liked or at least thats what I read. A lot of players were supposedly going to leave if he stayed and our boy Freddie Kitchens helped with play calling after a few weeks into the season.


That isn't from reputable reporters more so online musing so grain of salt.
From  
AcidTest : 11/28/2022 3:03 pm : link
what I've seen, Penix has NFL ability. But his injury history is extremely extensive. He tore his ACL in 2018 and 2020, although I'm not sure if it was the same one. He also separated his throwing shoulder in 2021. I think he also had a season ending injury in 2019. The Giants are plagued by injuries already. I'd rather not add to that list so I'd probably pass, even on day three.

I leave it to others to comment about Rattler.
Just a reminder that the Bills back in 2017  
mikeinbloomfield : 11/28/2022 3:09 pm : link
moved way up to draft Allen, which was widely derided as a reach. I am not sure we know how Schoen / Daboll evaluate QBs, but from Allen I get the sense that they draft for size and athletic ability, and feel like they can coach the rest.

Point is, they're going to surprise us with who they target this year I think.
Little interest in Penix...  
bw in dc : 11/28/2022 3:24 pm : link
as a potential starter. Seems like an NFL back-up at best.

Rattler was a highly recruited prospect with offers from many of the big brands. He has a good arm, and he can move pretty well. Had a very good year in 2020 for the Sooners and seemed to be living up to the hype. But he really hit a wall last year in Norman (was a preseason Heisman favorite) and looked completely lost with his confidence. That opened the door for the great Caleb Williams to emerge.

But Rattler, as mentioned above, has had a resurgence these last two weeks against two great programs - Tennessee and Clemson. So, maybe he's seeing the light again.

If anything, Rattler should come back for one more year and prove that he's found himself over a full season.
Penix Rising?  
Giantology : 11/28/2022 3:32 pm : link
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Penix is a straight up stud prospect  
Paulie Walnuts : 11/28/2022 4:18 pm : link
I like Rattler last 2 weeks Brady like. Where do you think DTR gets drafted ? Like that kid in Dabolls offense
Only take a qb in draft  
bluetothegrave : 11/28/2022 4:27 pm : link
Is he’s your guy to kthe ad the franchise. Every other qb pick is a waste.
Like above, I think Rattler has the physical tools...  
Thunderstruck27 : 11/28/2022 4:27 pm : link
I just worry about his behavior. Rumor is that his teammates in the past have hated him.
No way  
eric2425ny : 11/28/2022 4:48 pm : link
do I want our QB to be named Penix lol. I’m sorry. Will they draft a receiver named Clitz?
There could be some interesting choices available on Day 2  
Milton : 11/28/2022 4:58 pm : link
It'll be interesting to see how the Giants approach the QB position in the draft if Jones is tagged.
Penix mayeb  
PatersonPlank : 11/28/2022 5:27 pm : link
I've seen Rattler play so many crappy games for Oklahoma I am probably tainted, but I wouldn't touch him
RE: Both have warts  
eric2425ny : 11/28/2022 5:34 pm : link
In comment 15925261 Now Mike in MD said:
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but if you're drafting a QB in the 4th, 5th, etc. round,they're going to have warts.


Penix does have some warts.
No thanks on Rattler  
bwitz : 11/28/2022 5:47 pm : link
Not a leader, immature and selfish. Been that way since high school.
RE: RE: What's everyones thoughts on Hendon Hooker?  
Gatorade Dunk : 11/28/2022 6:00 pm : link
In comment 15925438 widmerseyebrow said:
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In comment 15925371 nyjuggernaut2 said:


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I know he tore his ACL, and next year would be a red-shirt type season for him, but would he be a good option for this team say in the 3rd round?



I would rather take him, ACL and all, than some high production guy with mediocre or worse arm and poor upside like some of the names being thrown around. I think Hooker was headed to the top 10 or higher before the injury.

I think the injury hurts Hooker more than it might hurt an identical (but younger) prospect.

HH would already be on the older side as a top QB prospect, and the injury basically ensures a redshirt year and then whatever development timeline after that.

That said, if you're targeting him in the draft, you might still want to get him in the late first round to ensure that you get the 5th year option since you're already throwing one season of his rookie contract away right from jump.
RE: No way  
Adirondack GMen : 11/28/2022 10:14 pm : link
In comment 15925638 eric2425ny said:
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do I want our QB to be named Penix lol. I’m sorry. Will they draft a receiver named Clitz?

We should draft Penix and have a back up QB Hooker! Hell of a team! Hooker hands off to Penix! Love to hear the broadcasters have fun with that…
Don't waste a draft pick, there are way too many holes to fill!  
Jack Stroud : 11/28/2022 11:40 pm : link
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RE: Don't waste a draft pick, there are way too many holes to fill!  
Gatorade Dunk : 11/29/2022 8:49 am : link
In comment 15925970 Jack Stroud said:
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Including QB.
RE: Don't waste a draft pick, there are way too many holes to fill!  
GiantsLaw : 11/29/2022 9:11 am : link
In comment 15925970 Jack Stroud said:
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Penix can fill at least one hole
RE: RE: Both have warts  
Spiciest Memelord : 11/29/2022 10:56 am : link
In comment 15925688 eric2425ny said:
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In comment 15925261 Now Mike in MD said:


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but if you're drafting a QB in the 4th, 5th, etc. round,they're going to have warts.



Penix does have some warts.


Should get that checked.
Would love to get Hooker on the cheap  
Chris L. : 11/29/2022 1:53 pm : link
because of the injury. There is a lot to like with that kid.
RE: Don't waste a draft pick, there are way too many holes to fill!  
JonC : 11/29/2022 2:00 pm : link
In comment 15925970 Jack Stroud said:
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Narrow and static view of the roster, which is a living, fluid thing under constant change. QB will be one of the changes coming.

Penix and Rattler are both pretty poor performers under pressure, their respective games go down the drain.
Don't want a QB  
David B. : 11/29/2022 8:53 pm : link
named Penix.

Or Clitorix for that matter.
Both names are unfortunate  
Red Right Hand : 11/30/2022 4:30 am : link
Hard pass
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Anakim : 11/30/2022 5:50 am : link
Penix has been absolutely fantastic this season. I've loved what I've seen from him. The problem is his injury history. He was often banged up at Indiana (I'm not sure if he ever finished a season healthy).

If healthy, Penix is a legit QB prospect. He has the arm talent, mobility, accuracy and IQ to be a potential starting QB in the NFL. However, the guy is made of glass.


My favorite two QB sleepers are:

Grayson McCall of Coastal Carolina (he's injured right now)
Michael Pratt of Tulane


Other guys who I like, but not as much are KJ Jefferson, Bo Nix (who has really surprised me. The guy was ass at Auburn, but he's been very good for Oregon), Cam Rising and Devin Leary. And while I'm not a fan, I guarantee you there will be a few QB coaches/OCs who believe in DJ U.
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