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What an offseason we have ahead of us

eric2425ny : 11/28/2022 9:08 pm
not trying to shut down this season as we are contending, but let’s be honest. This team would need a miracle to win a SB between injuries, lack of talent at WR, etc.

This offseason has the potential to be one of the most important in recent memory. It will really be the true litmus test of what we have with Schoen. We know Daboll and his crew can coach the shit out of a mediocre team. We are witnessing that now. But we’ll soon find out what our GM is made of.

Do they re-sign Barkley? Do they franchise/re-sign Jones? Do they re-sign key vets like Love or offer extensions to players like Jackson or Leonard Williams to get their 2023 cap number down? What happens at WR, do they spend FA money or just draft a few guys at that position?

It’s going to be a wild ride.
Can we finish the season first?  
RCPhoenix : 11/28/2022 9:11 pm : link
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I figure by next year  
dancing blue bear : 11/28/2022 9:13 pm : link
20-25% of the board will be on the road to hating the GM depending on how certain choices go.
RE: Can we finish the season first?  
eric2425ny : 11/28/2022 9:16 pm : link
In comment 15925895 RCPhoenix said:
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Yes, read my first sentence. But I’m also a realist in terms of expectations for the rest of this season. Do you think Schoen is just putting up blinders on anything beyond week 12 right now?
RE: Can we finish the season first?  
joeinpa : 11/28/2022 9:22 pm : link
In comment 15925895 RCPhoenix said:
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It s surprising with a huge game coming up how many posts this week have focused on off season topics. Guess it s conditioning from a decade of losing.
I think this discussion is relevant to this season.  
CV36 : 11/28/2022 9:27 pm : link
What happens the rest of the way will impact the decisions that are made. This is a very interesting off season coming up. Your starting g QB and RB not to mention KG getting the boot. Regardless there will be a group that will not like what’s done. I don’t care what they do. They have earned a chance to show they can build a team. No one from the front office will ask my opinion but I support letting them try.
RE: RE: Can we finish the season first?  
Sean : 11/28/2022 9:39 pm : link
In comment 15925903 joeinpa said:
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It s surprising with a huge game coming up how many posts this week have focused on off season topics. Guess it s conditioning from a decade of losing.

The Giants are in an unusual situation. They have a QB who is not signed beyond this year & Barkley, one of their most important offensive players is also a pending free agent.

This isn’t like watching Manning and that team try to climb the mountain. There are just so many unknowns and I think that contributes to it.

However, yes your point is valid. The Giants have a playoff game on Sunday.
Can we Wait  
Bruner4329 : 11/28/2022 9:44 pm : link
We finally have meaningful games in December to enjoy and people are focusing on what happens in February and March. Geez.
I'd definitely like to see Julian Love  
thefan : 11/28/2022 9:44 pm : link
brought back.
RE: Can we finish the season first?  
Route 9 : 11/28/2022 9:59 pm : link
In comment 15925895 RCPhoenix said:
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Exactly. Save all that boring gossip for March.
Why wait. It’s pretty obvious  
dancing blue bear : 11/28/2022 10:04 pm : link
That there are a bunch of posters who don’t even watch the games. Hahaha
RE: Why wait. It’s pretty obvious  
broadbandz : 11/28/2022 11:22 pm : link
In comment 15925935 dancing blue bear said:
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That there are a bunch of posters who don’t even watch the games. Hahaha


yep, all they want to do is shit on a certain few giants players, talk up other NFCE teams and lecture others about "defending" giants players on the internet. The off season /draft season is where all their energy goes. What happens on the field can only ruin their running narratives.
RE: RE: Why wait. It’s pretty obvious  
Walker Gillette : 11/28/2022 11:34 pm : link
In comment 15925961 broadbandz said:
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That there are a bunch of posters who don’t even watch the games. Hahaha



yep, all they want to do is shit on a certain few giants players, talk up other NFCE teams and lecture others about "defending" giants players on the internet. The off season /draft season is where all their energy goes. What happens on the field can only ruin their running narratives.


+1
Another big decision is the Leonard Williams contract  
cosmicj : 11/29/2022 5:59 am : link
2023 is the last year of his deal and he is owed $18mm in base salary (cash). I think Schoen will work to extend the deal, adding new cash in 2024 and maybe 2025 to lower the 2023 cap hit.

Pro tip: if you aren’t interested in a topic, don’t read the damn thread. Meanwhile, there are many of us who can be interested in both the Washington game AND the off season. Numbskulls.
RE: Another big decision is the Leonard Williams contract  
joe48 : 11/29/2022 6:01 am : link
In comment 15925986 cosmicj said:
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2023 is the last year of his deal and he is owed $18mm in base salary (cash). I think Schoen will work to extend the deal, adding new cash in 2024 and maybe 2025 to lower the 2023 cap hit.

Pro tip: if you aren’t interested in a topic, don’t read the damn thread. Meanwhile, there are many of us who can be interested in both the Washington game AND the off season. Numbskulls.

Just not every day!
RE: I'd definitely like to see Julian Love  
bluefin : 11/29/2022 6:07 am : link
In comment 15925919 thefan said:
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brought back.

high priority
I think Jones is somehow retained but Barkley walks for big money  
SGMen : 11/29/2022 6:13 am : link
No way we sign Barkley to big money given his injury history and the position. I just don't see it happening.

I think we purge much of this roster in the off-season and draft well. We will sign second tier unrestricted free agents to fill holes.

If both Jones and Barkley walk it is because they aren't in the Daboll plans after-all. We could end up getting #3 comp picks for both and not have huge salaries which allows us to build up for next year and beyond.

I believe in Jones more than Barkley but who knows....

Just win this week!
SG  
cosmicj : 11/29/2022 6:15 am : link
I think the precise opposite. The fact that news emerged about negotiations with Barkley and Love should be taken at face value. There’s no 3D chess here; Schoen will work to retain the two.

Meanwhile, crickets on Jones.
Of course you can both  
section125 : 11/29/2022 6:16 am : link
talk about this season and the expectations of the offseason. What happens this season will actually have little effect in what Schoen does in the spring. That die has been cast - he knows where he needs to go to improve the team.

If you are not interested in the offseason part, then do not participate. Just like the hundreds of DJ threads, if you are tired of the daily discourse on re-signing Jones, let it go or dive in.

I have not a clue as to where to get the biggest bang in fixing this team. My guess is WR on offense and ILB on defense, followed by CB.
I think Jones is somehow retained but Barkley walks for big money  
SGMen : 11/29/2022 6:22 am : link
No way we sign Barkley to big money given his injury history and the position. I just don't see it happening.

I think we purge much of this roster in the off-season and draft well. We will sign second tier unrestricted free agents to fill holes.

If both Jones and Barkley walk it is because they aren't in the Daboll plans after-all. We could end up getting #3 comp picks for both and not have huge salaries which allows us to build up for next year and beyond.

I believe in Jones more than Barkley but who knows....

Just win this week!
RE: RE: Why wait. It’s pretty obvious  
Carl in CT : 11/29/2022 6:36 am : link
In comment 15925961 broadbandz said:
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That there are a bunch of posters who don’t even watch the games. Hahaha



yep, all they want to do is shit on a certain few giants players, talk up other NFCE teams and lecture others about "defending" giants players on the internet. The off season /draft season is where all their energy goes. What happens on the field can only ruin their running narratives.



+2
The first huge miss of our GM  
Carl in CT : 11/29/2022 6:39 am : link
Would be if we didn’t make playoffs and he didn’t trade Barkley for a load Carolina got. Don’t you know part of the job description is , “has to be a fortune teller” or possess psychic qualities “.
Barkley  
Giants : 11/29/2022 6:53 am : link
As much as many Giants fans love him,he isn't a top 3 RB. Might not be in top 5. There will be solid RB to be had in the draft. It would be a mistake to over pay him
Our roster sucks  
Jint Fan in Buc Land : 11/29/2022 7:30 am : link
but I’m no longer banging the drum of a well coached team. We’ve lost 3 of the last 4 and are near the top in penalties. Only 10 players on the field for a pivotal 4th down against a division rival??

I’m not saying they aren’t good, but I’m at a point where I need to see how the rest of the season goes before continuing to sing their praises.

6-1 was insanely impressive but let’s not forget how close 1-6 was.
RE: Of course you can both  
joeinpa : 11/29/2022 7:53 am : link
In comment 15925996 section125 said:
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talk about this season and the expectations of the offseason. What happens this season will actually have little effect in what Schoen does in the spring. That die has been cast - he knows where he needs to go to improve the team.

If you are not interested in the offseason part, then do not participate. Just like the hundreds of DJ threads, if you are tired of the daily discourse on re-signing Jones, let it go or dive in.

I have not a clue as to where to get the biggest bang in fixing this team. My guess is WR on offense and ILB on defense, followed by CB.


Of course you re correct in all of this; I would never presume to suggest what someone should or should not post.

I m just surprised there s not more juice about a game with huge play off implications this Sunday.
I am not franchising Jones  
Tom from LI : 11/29/2022 8:28 am : link
Eating up that much cap for 1 year is not smart.

Give him 4/120 75 million guaranteed and make his first 2 years salary low and then escalate it.

As far as Barkley, Transition Tag him. Let him get his best offer and if you choose to match it then so be it. If not let him walk.
RE: The first huge miss of our GM  
Ivan15 : 11/29/2022 8:36 am : link
In comment 15926006 Carl in CT said:
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Would be if we didn’t make playoffs and he didn’t trade Barkley for a load Carolina got. Don’t you know part of the job description is , “has to be a fortune teller” or possess psychic qualities “.

McCaffrey was under contract. How do you think the Giants can trade a player who will be a free agent in March? Would you sign him to a long term deal and then try to trade him? Or would you tag him and then try to find someone who will take him off your hands? Trades of high level players with expiring contracts usually only happens when a player is tagged and refuses to accept the tag. ________________________________________
RE: RE: Of course you can both  
section125 : 11/29/2022 8:40 am : link
In comment 15926028 joeinpa said:
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I m just surprised there s not more juice about a game with huge play off implications this Sunday.


Because it is Tuesday and we still do not know who will be available to play on Sunday? If they get Neal, Bredesen, Bellinger and Ojulari back, that is actually a huge infusion of talent returning to the field.
Not really sure the Bredesen is a big upgrade over Ezeudu, but he would be over Anderson.
There is a large portion of BBI..  
Sean : 11/29/2022 8:46 am : link
that just wishes to put their head in the sand. How can a fan site not debate the pending free agency of their polarizing QB and RB? That’s supposed to just be ignored and not discussed?
I'd keep the defense  
ArcadeSlumlord : 11/29/2022 9:23 am : link
and cycle out the entire offense. I know they've played the time of possession grind em out game but its the NFL in 2022. We need homeruns not singles.
RE: The first huge miss of our GM  
ajr2456 : 11/29/2022 9:32 am : link
In comment 15926006 Carl in CT said:
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Would be if we didn’t make playoffs and he didn’t trade Barkley for a load Carolina got. Don’t you know part of the job description is , “has to be a fortune teller” or possess psychic qualities “.


Why? He can tag him and trade him to a team this offseason. They’d get a bigger return for a player for 17 games than 8.

As for Williams I think they let the contract play out and deal with it in the offseason.
They could bring Barkley back on a short-term deal......  
Simms11 : 11/29/2022 9:36 am : link
If they FT him, it’ll cost more IMO. I don’t think there’s many teams out there that will be looking to pay Barkley huge dollars when they can draft a RB in the 4th round with some great skill. That seems to be the position that comes out of the draft in droves and is more easily replaced IMO.

As far as Jones, who knows?! But it appears like he’s either going to be a bridge to another QB or be given an opportunity to sign elsewhere. Reading the tea leaves, of course.

Draft needs QB? WR, ILB, CB, IOL and DLine depth.
The tag for Barkley  
ajr2456 : 11/29/2022 9:37 am : link
Is $12 million. That’s probably what he’d get per year on the open market.
RE: I think this discussion is relevant to this season.  
giantstock : 11/29/2022 9:41 am : link
In comment 15925907 CV36 said:
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What happens the rest of the way will impact the decisions that are made. This is a very interesting off season coming up. Your starting g QB and RB not to mention KG getting the boot. Regardless there will be a group that will not like what’s done. I don’t care what they do. They have earned a chance to show they can build a team. No one from the front office will ask my opinion but I support letting them try.


+1
Agreed - although some moves are straightforward  
Jerry in_DC : 11/29/2022 10:10 am : link
Tag Barkley. If you can work out a team friendly deal do it, otherwise play on their tag

Offer Jones 1 year, $12 M. If he doesn't take it, go down the list of other placeholder QBs. One of them will take a starting job.

Try to get a QB in the draft if there's one that they like

Try to keep our defensive talent - this is less straightforward because there is a lot of room to negotiate

Use cap space to upgrade WR and possibly interior OL.
RE: RE: The first huge miss of our GM  
Fox : 11/29/2022 10:11 am : link
In comment 15926108 ajr2456 said:
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Would be if we didn’t make playoffs and he didn’t trade Barkley for a load Carolina got. Don’t you know part of the job description is , “has to be a fortune teller” or possess psychic qualities “.


Why? He can tag him and trade him to a team this offseason. They’d get a bigger return for a player for 17 games than 8.

As for Williams I think they let the contract play out and deal with it in the offseason.


Pretty sure Carl’s post was sarcastic based on the last line about a GM’s job description.
RE: There is a large portion of BBI..  
joeinpa : 11/29/2022 11:06 am : link
In comment 15926058 Sean said:
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that just wishes to put their head in the sand. How can a fan site not debate the pending free agency of their polarizing QB and RB? That’s supposed to just be ignored and not discussed?


No danger of that happening it s been discussed every week since last season ended and continues to be the big topic this week, even begged than Sunday s game, a December game with play off implications, something this site has been starved for.


Not sure how wanting to just let it play out is equivalent to putting your head in the sand, but ok……guilty
RE: SG  
djm : 11/29/2022 11:16 am : link
In comment 15925995 cosmicj said:
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I think the precise opposite. The fact that news emerged about negotiations with Barkley and Love should be taken at face value. There’s no 3D chess here; Schoen will work to retain the two.

Meanwhile, crickets on Jones.


Exactly, the Giants aren't going to let 2nd contract younger, productive players just walk because of some narrative. The objective is to find those guys and keep them. Anything can happen, but odds are NYG will do everything they can to keep the veteran young core here intact.

Jones is another story. There are too many moving parts to predict anything yet.
RE: RE: There is a large portion of BBI..  
Sean : 11/29/2022 11:35 am : link
In comment 15926196 joeinpa said:
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that just wishes to put their head in the sand. How can a fan site not debate the pending free agency of their polarizing QB and RB? That’s supposed to just be ignored and not discussed?



No danger of that happening it s been discussed every week since last season ended and continues to be the big topic this week, even begged than Sunday s game, a December game with play off implications, something this site has been starved for.


Not sure how wanting to just let it play out is equivalent to putting your head in the sand, but ok……guilty

Joe, I totally agree that a lot are taking this game Sunday for granted. It’s a playoff game.
I'm sorry - this "narrative" sneer is growing more tiresome by the  
gidiefor : Mod : 11/29/2022 11:44 am : link
minute. It seems to be code for: I don't want to discuss anything on its merits. Instead I'm gonna pooh pooh what someone says and lump it into something meaningless category that demeans it, and makes it so trite that others who feel like me don't have to address anything relevant.

I think this thread has a lot of merit -- it is going to be interesting to see how this FO handles the personnel issues;
and there are numerous personnel issues of import that need to be addressed that to my eyes there is still room to debate about.
RE: Can we Wait  
Gatorade Dunk : 11/29/2022 12:16 pm : link
In comment 15925918 Bruner4329 said:
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We finally have meaningful games in December to enjoy and people are focusing on what happens in February and March. Geez.

Here's an idea:

Don't like offseason threads? Don't open offseason threads.
RE: RE: There is a large portion of BBI..  
Gatorade Dunk : 11/29/2022 12:19 pm : link
In comment 15926196 joeinpa said:
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that just wishes to put their head in the sand. How can a fan site not debate the pending free agency of their polarizing QB and RB? That’s supposed to just be ignored and not discussed?



No danger of that happening it s been discussed every week since last season ended and continues to be the big topic this week, even begged than Sunday s game, a December game with play off implications, something this site has been starved for.


Not sure how wanting to just let it play out is equivalent to putting your head in the sand, but ok……guilty

You CAN just let it play out. And then you can also just not open threads about the offseason until you're ready to consider those topics.

What you shouldn't do is tell anyone else how to feel just because you don't want to participate in the topic.

This may come as a shock to you, Joe, but you're not a better fan than anyone else here just because you choose to only see what's right in front of you and allow everything else to just play out.
RE: Why wait. It’s pretty obvious  
Gatorade Dunk : 11/29/2022 12:21 pm : link
In comment 15925935 dancing blue bear said:
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That there are a bunch of posters who don’t even watch the games. Hahaha

Starting with you.
We are actually pretty bad  
Jerry in_DC : 11/29/2022 12:23 pm : link
At discussing actual games here. Part of it is that we are way out of practice. Been a long time since the games had any meaning at all. The other is that most people recognize that the team really isn't that good. It can still be fun, but this team is obviously going nowhere if we make the playoffs.

Still a decent amount to be positive about for the future and we can at least see the possibility of having real big games sometime in the next few years.
I honestly believe we've recruited  
Gruber : 11/29/2022 12:30 pm : link
a very smart GM. He's going to improve this team. He can't do it overnight.
And then the biggest challenge for any GM is to acquire a quality QB. Look at the job Joe Douglas has done with the Jets. He's turning that franchise around, killed it with the draft. And yet he still hasn't solved the QB issue. (Mike White has had big games before, and then followed them up with stinkers, so case not yet closed).
It might be that Jones is still our QB next year, because Schoen can't see his way to one he wants in the draft. I guarantee you Schoen and Daboll are looking to upgrade at that position.
RE: Our roster sucks  
kickoff : 11/29/2022 1:09 pm : link
In comment 15926020 Jint Fan in Buc Land said:
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but I’m no longer banging the drum of a well coached team. We’ve lost 3 of the last 4 and are near the top in penalties. Only 10 players on the field for a pivotal 4th down against a division rival??

I’m not saying they aren’t good, but I’m at a point where I need to see how the rest of the season goes before continuing to sing their praises.
Agree, I believe we've been outcoached in last 3 losses.

6-1 was insanely impressive but let’s not forget how close 1-6 was.
Sunday is not a playoff game  
arniefez : 11/29/2022 1:30 pm : link
it's a crucial division and conference game for playoff positioning. The season still has 5 games left if the Giants win or lose.

I would be surprised if any team pays Barkley 12 million a year. I sure hope if one does it's not the Giants. Maybe the extra time off will rejuvenate him. Let's hope so because the last two weeks he looks like the tank has hit empty.

My opinion is that Daniel Jones at 30 million - the going rate for starting NFL QBs is a bad investment. I don't even want the Giants to offer him a "bridge" contract for 15 million. I hope the Giants move on. I think in the big picture a QB on a rookie contract plus the other players that could could be added all over roster with that extra money is a better investment.
RE: RE: RE: There is a large portion of BBI..  
joeinpa : 11/29/2022 1:50 pm : link
In comment 15926291 Gatorade Dunk said:
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that just wishes to put their head in the sand. How can a fan site not debate the pending free agency of their polarizing QB and RB? That’s supposed to just be ignored and not discussed?



No danger of that happening it s been discussed every week since last season ended and continues to be the big topic this week, even begged than Sunday s game, a December game with play off implications, something this site has been starved for.


Not sure how wanting to just let it play out is equivalent to putting your head in the sand, but ok……guilty


You CAN just let it play out. And then you can also just not open threads about the offseason until you're ready to consider those topics.

What you shouldn't do is tell anyone else how to feel just because you don't want to participate in the topic.

This may come as a shock to you, Joe, but you're not a better fan than anyone else here just because you choose to only see what's right in front of you and allow everything else to just play out.


That you would even suggest that I believe I m a better fan shows how little the internet allows people to know one another

That you would suggest my post expressing surprise that an old topic is still dominating the conversation even this week, is an example of me being judgmental of what others should post is laughable.

I have participated as much as anyone on the topic of Jones, and will continue to do so.

But funny thing is you don’t see the irony in lecturing me about telling others what topics/opinions they should write about as you are expressing the same sentiment to me.

You take my posts way too personal Gator, it s just a message board know my posts have annoyed you before, maybe you should take your own advice and ignore me
gidie  
JonC : 11/29/2022 1:57 pm : link
+1
Those clinging on to the edge of their seats  
UberAlias : 11/29/2022 2:13 pm : link
Worrying about playoffs etc. are setting themselves up for huge disappointment. Check out the game threads. The simple truth is that this team doesn't have enough talent. You don't come out of four years under Dave Gettlemen with a ready to compete team, plain an simple. To some of us it was clear what we were looking at, even in the seven wins. And if you listen to the team leadership, they weren't blinded by it either, thankfully. I'm not telling anyone how to think or how to approach the team as a fan. But if things end badly and we find the board in a meltdown, I can't say that I won't be saying I told you so.
RE: I'm sorry - this  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/29/2022 3:40 pm : link
In comment 15926247 gidiefor said:
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minute. It seems to be code for: I don't want to discuss anything on its merits. Instead I'm gonna pooh pooh what someone says and lump it into something meaningless category that demeans it, and makes it so trite that others who feel like me don't have to address anything relevant.

I think this thread has a lot of merit -- it is going to be interesting to see how this FO handles the personnel issues;
and there are numerous personnel issues of import that need to be addressed that to my eyes there is still room to debate about.


Good post.
Sign Love let Barkley walk  
kelly : 11/30/2022 5:32 am : link
Extend Williams. Jones gets two year prove it deal.someone has to be our QB and I don't see a better option.
We should tag Jones...  
DefenseWins : 11/30/2022 6:20 am : link
it keeps him in the building for one more year but it does not stop us from drafting another guy.

This is no different than when we kept Eli on the roster after drafting Jones.

Then, we are not locked into Jones for more than this upcoming year.

For Barkley, I would offer him whatever makes sense for this team but if he can find a better deal elsewhere, then let him go. There are many other free agent RBs who we can sign this off season. Kareem Hunt, Jeff Wilson, etc.
The QB tag is too expensive IMO  
cosmicj : 11/30/2022 8:47 am : link
But you can make the argument that Schoen was negotiating with Barkley and Love to sign them long term and give the Giants the option of tagging Jones. It’s a logical possibility, although I don’t think it’s likely.
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