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Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/29/2022 7:47 am


Tuesday, November 29, 2022

Approx. 12:15 p.m. — Head Coach Brian Daboll Available

Practice — 12:45 p.m. – 2:45 p.m.

Approx. 2:55 p.m. — Players Available

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Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/29/2022 10:12 am : link
ROSTER MOVES

Added to Practice Squad:
-OL Devery Hamilton
-DB Trenton Thompson
-LB Quincy Roche

Released from Practice Squad:
-WR Robert Foster
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ryanmkeane : 11/29/2022 10:57 am : link
i'm interesting to see how they use Barkley from this Sunday on. If he was managing the shoulder injury that he got in the Packers game, then it would be understandable as to why he hasn't been himself lately. But he did rush for 152 against Houston...so there's that. 110 against Jax and 83 against Baltimore.

This might be a weird take, but I think Daboll's "the season starts now" comment is very telling about how he was possibly just trying to get through these last 2-3 games without any more big injuries and have guys completely ready for the final 6 game stretch run.
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Rjanyg : 11/29/2022 11:03 am : link
In comment 15926189 ryanmkeane said:
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i'm interesting to see how they use Barkley from this Sunday on. If he was managing the shoulder injury that he got in the Packers game, then it would be understandable as to why he hasn't been himself lately. But he did rush for 152 against Houston...so there's that. 110 against Jax and 83 against Baltimore.

This might be a weird take, but I think Daboll's "the season starts now" comment is very telling about how he was possibly just trying to get through these last 2-3 games without any more big injuries and have guys completely ready for the final 6 game stretch run.


If he were concerned about injuries, he wouldn't have Jackson returning punts. Fair catch them maybe but actually returning punts is not smart. After McKinney getting hurt on the bye week this is by far the worst decision Daboll has made right after going for it on 4th and 1 down one point on the NYG 45.

This team needs to run the ball and hit the QB consistently vs. Washington. Thank God we are getting Azeez back and our OL might be getting healthiier.
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ryanmkeane : 11/29/2022 11:09 am : link
Going for it there was the right call IMO. They had the play call. Bad throw/bad catch. If they punt there, Dallas likely just goes down and scores anyway. The defense had just been on the field for awhile on that extended drive.
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ryanmkeane : 11/29/2022 11:10 am : link
it really sucks that we don't even know if McKinney is coming back at all this season, let alone for the last 4-5 games of the year.
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section125 : 11/29/2022 11:24 am : link
In comment 15926200 ryanmkeane said:
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it really sucks that we don't even know if McKinney is coming back at all this season, let alone for the last 4-5 games of the year.


You'll be lucky to see him by week 14..So I would not count on seeing him any time soon. I'd bet it was more than just broken fingers. Probably some skin damage too.
Purely speculation on my part.
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Rjanyg : 11/29/2022 11:32 am : link
In comment 15926198 ryanmkeane said:
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Going for it there was the right call IMO. They had the play call. Bad throw/bad catch. If they punt there, Dallas likely just goes down and scores anyway. The defense had just been on the field for awhile on that extended drive.


We will have to disagree. We gave Dallas a very short field and at least 3 points. I really like Daboll and yes the playcall was there but on the road, early 3rd quarter, down only 1 point with a ton of game to play, you NEED Dallas to earn the points. Add to this, they took too long to decide to go for it, got to the LOS late and actually only had 10 players on the field. It was a shit show. Punt the ball, play field position and maybe the defense gets a stop or a turnover or holds them to a FG.

I guess I am old fashioned.
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Payasdaddy : 11/29/2022 11:39 am : link
In comment 15926222 section125 said:
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it really sucks that we don't even know if McKinney is coming back at all this season, let alone for the last 4-5 games of the year.



You'll be lucky to see him by week 14..So I would not count on seeing him any time soon. I'd bet it was more than just broken fingers. Probably some skin damage too.
Purely speculation on my part.


I think X will be back , probably 2nd Washington game or vikes
Biggest issue would be his limitations for int.
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DavidinBMNY : 11/29/2022 11:48 am : link
In comment 15926239 Payasdaddy said:
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In comment 15926200 ryanmkeane said:


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it really sucks that we don't even know if McKinney is coming back at all this season, let alone for the last 4-5 games of the year.



You'll be lucky to see him by week 14..So I would not count on seeing him any time soon. I'd bet it was more than just broken fingers. Probably some skin damage too.
Purely speculation on my part.



I think X will be back , probably 2nd Washington game or vikes
Biggest issue would be his limitations for int.
The question is , will it be worth playing a DB with a hand in a cast. I'm not convinced it's worth bringing him back. if he can't use that hand at all, then thats tough re: tackling etc.
Never getting over  
BigBlueJ : 11/29/2022 11:53 am : link
the Adoree Jackson move...

And also so disappointed by Xavier.

Two self inflicted wounds.
Kalil Pimpleton  
Archer : 11/29/2022 12:16 pm : link
To add salt to Jackson's wound, the Giants have Kalil Pimpleton on the practice squad.

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"Kalil averaged 19.1 yards on 16 punt returns and was one of just four players in nation to return two punts for touchdowns during 2021 season"


The only reason he is there is because of his punt return skills. He must be better than James.

Why the Giants have not activated him is bewildering.
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gidiefor : Mod : 11/29/2022 12:31 pm : link
Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
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Daboll said OL Shane Lemieux (toe), OL Josh Ezeudu (neck) and CB Adoree’ Jackson (knee) won’t practice today. He said everyone else will participate in some capacity. He said TE Daniel Bellinger (eye) is “trending in the right direction” to return.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/29/2022 12:37 pm : link
Art Stapleton
@art_stapleton
Brian Daboll: I’m optimistic about Daniel Bellinger for Sunday
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/29/2022 12:38 pm : link
Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
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Daboll said today will be a full pads practice. A rarity. He said they held a full pads practice before the Texans game. I must have missed that because the last full pads practice I noted was in Week 3.
RE: Kalil Pimpleton  
Spiciest Memelord : 11/29/2022 12:40 pm : link
In comment 15926288 Archer said:
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To add salt to Jackson's wound, the Giants have Kalil Pimpleton on the practice squad.



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"Kalil averaged 19.1 yards on 16 punt returns and was one of just four players in nation to return two punts for touchdowns during 2021 season"



The only reason he is there is because of his punt return skills. He must be better than James.

Why the Giants have not activated him is bewildering.


We need the roster spots for Sills and Golladay.
Well those reports are pretty encouraging…  
Chris684 : 11/29/2022 12:40 pm : link
I’d assume Bredeson and Feliciano get their jobs back and Gates returns to jumbo TE role?
I'm  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/29/2022 12:43 pm : link
still miffed that the Giants medical staff let Ezeudu back into a game with a neck injury where he apparently made it worse.
apparently  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/29/2022 12:43 pm : link
the same situation with Lemieux and his toe.

But hey, Ring of Honor!
RE: apparently  
Chris684 : 11/29/2022 12:46 pm : link
In comment 15926328 Eric from BBI said:
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the same situation with Lemieux and his toe.

But hey, Ring of Honor!


The Giants clearly have an issue with injuries. It seems to be a bunch of different factors including the turf, diagnosis, recovery time, judgement on return.
RE: I'm  
Spiciest Memelord : 11/29/2022 12:48 pm : link
In comment 15926327 Eric from BBI said:
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still miffed that the Giants medical staff let Ezeudu back into a game with a neck injury where he apparently made it worse.


It's the Giants medical staff...
RE: I'm  
section125 : 11/29/2022 12:50 pm : link
In comment 15926327 Eric from BBI said:
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still miffed that the Giants medical staff let Ezeudu back into a game with a neck injury where he apparently made it worse.


You do realize players tell the med staff anything to get back into the game and sometimes the pain goes away with adrenalin until after the game.
If Josh said he was good to good, then why would they hold him back.

As far as Lemieux - he was off three months...
section125  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/29/2022 12:52 pm : link
Whatever.

They put two guys back into a game who re-injured themselves within 30 minutes.
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simgiant : 11/29/2022 12:52 pm : link
In comment 15926343 section125 said:
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In comment 15926327 Eric from BBI said:


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still miffed that the Giants medical staff let Ezeudu back into a game with a neck injury where he apparently made it worse.



You do realize players tell the med staff anything to get back into the game and sometimes the pain goes away with adrenalin until after the game.
If Josh said he was good to good, then why would they hold him back.

As far as Lemieux - he was off three months...

Isn't the point of the medical staff specifically to make the decision to protect the players from themselves?
The Giants medical situation has been a disaster for  
Essex : 11/29/2022 12:53 pm : link
a very long time. Either we have the worst luck in the world or we are doing something wrong. Since I am not there and not privy to this information, I really don't know, but I would bet the latter.

I mean Philadelphia is crying because they lost Gardner-Johnson and Goeddert. We would love to have their injury problems.
and we all know  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/29/2022 12:53 pm : link
where this is going with Lemieux.. He's done for the season.

They fucked with him last year with he knee (didn't have him get surgery, put him back in, made it worse) and I'm see the same trajectory now with the toe.
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ryanmkeane : 11/29/2022 1:03 pm : link
I don't blame the Giants medical staff with Lemieux. He has been constantly hurt since he was drafted.
Eric - I Agree with you  
ScottinMA : 11/29/2022 1:08 pm : link
It is either incompetence or the worse luck in the word (like Essex said). With Data, tech and Analytics it would seem this should not keep happening. I really hope it is not a money thing. Or a nepotism or “friends” thing. My recollection is old school NFL works with friends on stuff like this. They should be proving they are working with best available medical people on these issues
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/29/2022 1:19 pm : link
Pat Leonard
@PLeonardNYDN
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There’s a chance we see Nick Gates at LG & Jon Feliciano at center Sunday.

RB Gary Brightwell not spotted at practice. Kalil Pimpleton & Richie James handling kick return #Giants

CB Nick McCloud did something to his left foot during kick coverage but stayed. Flott practicing
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/29/2022 1:20 pm : link
Ryan Dunleavy
@rydunleavy
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#Giants Brian Daboll exploring all OL options, including starting both centers Nick Gates and Jon Feliciano. One would be the fifth different starting left guard
I  
Toth029 : 11/29/2022 1:29 pm : link
Would rather Feliciano at LG.
Neal and Belinger back  
OBJ_AllDay : 11/29/2022 1:29 pm : link
would be a major boost.
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ryanmkeane : 11/29/2022 1:33 pm : link
Again, Lemieux has been hurt for 3 years. Blame it on the medical staff all you want but he has never been healthy since he's been drafted.
Lemieux was super durable in college  
CMicks3110 : 11/29/2022 1:38 pm : link
49 career starts I believe. Any word on Bredeson?
RE: and we all know  
BillKo : 11/29/2022 1:42 pm : link
In comment 15926349 Eric from BBI said:
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I'm see the same trajectory now with the toe.


So three months sitting with a toe, finally cleared, and you want to blame the medical staff?

It's a TOE.

Do you know what they do for a broken toe....nothing. It heals on its own.


What did you want them to do, put it under a microscope? They felt is was ready and it re-injured it. Chances are if he had sat out until Week 17 he would have hurt it there.
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BillKo : 11/29/2022 1:43 pm : link
In comment 15926385 Toth029 said:
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Would rather Feliciano at LG.


Anyone but Lemieux..............glad the toe bent backwards again.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/29/2022 1:53 pm : link
Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
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Brightwell has an illness per the Giants.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/29/2022 1:55 pm : link
It's not even debatable that the medical staff screwed up with Lemieux's knee last year. That's off the table. So defending them over that just shows you are shilling for the organization.

The toe? Could be turf toe. Whatever it was, he obviously wasn't ready to play or he is just an unlucky bastard who hurt another toe (highly unlikely).

Don't blame the medical staff for new injuries, but they are fair game for mishandling old ones.
Sounds like we may be looking at an OL of:  
mittenedman : 11/29/2022 2:03 pm : link
Thomas - Gates - Feliciano - Glowinski - Neal

As much as we all want Gates at C, the above is the least amount of disruption.
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jvm52106 : 11/29/2022 2:04 pm : link
In comment 15926414 Eric from BBI said:
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It's not even debatable that the medical staff screwed up with Lemieux's knee last year. That's off the table. So defending them over that just shows you are shilling for the organization.

The toe? Could be turf toe. Whatever it was, he obviously wasn't ready to play or he is just an unlucky bastard who hurt another toe (highly unlikely).

Don't blame the medical staff for new injuries, but they are fair game for mishandling old ones.


The JE neck injury is the bigger issue here. If he was bad enough to not be playing to start then going in later was a downright crime. Neck injuries can be career threatening very easily.
RE: Sounds like we may be looking at an OL of:  
jvm52106 : 11/29/2022 2:05 pm : link
In comment 15926420 mittenedman said:
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Thomas - Gates - Feliciano - Glowinski - Neal

As much as we all want Gates at C, the above is the least amount of disruption.


I know it really means nothing but it would seem like a weird fate sort of situation for gates to make a start against Washington at Guard..
same toe  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/29/2022 2:06 pm : link
Patricia Traina
@Patricia_Traina
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Daboll was asked if Lemieux's injury is the same toe that landed him on IR. "Yeah, it’s his toe. I think we’re trying to be smart with him. I know he wants to be out here, but we’re trying to do right by the player, too."
RE: I'm  
SoZKillA : 11/29/2022 2:32 pm : link
In comment 15926327 Eric from BBI said:
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still miffed that the Giants medical staff let Ezeudu back into a game with a neck injury where he apparently made it worse.


I'm not, this medical staff and strength and conditioning staff is horrible.
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broadbandz : 11/29/2022 2:36 pm : link
What about Bredeson? Hopefully this means glowinski is benched. Still suprised no one mentions this horrible signing by our GM. Most teams knew he was dog water and stayed away. Sign anyone but him.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/29/2022 2:57 pm : link
Pat Leonard
@PLeonardNYDN
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Giants free safety Xavier McKinney has the cast off his left hand. It is severely swollen with several pins in the back of his hand, beneath his knuckles, across. He’s not speaking to the media. But there’s your update for today #Giants
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BillKo : 11/29/2022 3:08 pm : link
In comment 15926414 Eric from BBI said:
[quote] It's not even debatable that the medical staff screwed up with Lemieux's knee last year. That's off the table. So defending them over that just shows you are shilling for the organization.

The toe? Could be turf toe. Whatever it was, he obviously wasn't ready to play or he is just an unlucky bastard who hurt another toe (highly unlikely).

Don't blame the medical staff for new injuries, but they are fair game for mishandling old ones. [/quote

Not sure if directed at me, but where did I talk about his knee? I specifically said to criticize the team over his toe is ridiculous.

Did Ronnie Barnes suddenly forget how to evaluate players?

I'm sure it's the same toe.....if he's not ready to play now he wasn't going to be ready to play for the entire 2022 schedule, that should be obvious.

I would say rather than being unlucky, he's just now become injury prone playing with the big boys now. This isn't Oregon. It happens.

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Spiciest Memelord : 11/29/2022 3:16 pm : link
In comment 15926450 broadbandz said:
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What about Bredeson? Hopefully this means glowinski is benched. Still suprised no one mentions this horrible signing by our GM. Most teams knew he was dog water and stayed away. Sign anyone but him.


Is he worse than the guard Gettleman signed what's his face?

bbi is weird and have unrealistically high expectations of no name IOL I guess. You just hope and pray you get lucky and one of these guys pan out to be a legitimate starter.
Both Glowinski and Bredeson have been up and down  
gidiefor : Mod : 11/29/2022 3:23 pm : link
but of the two of them Bredeson does seem to be more on an upward trend

Glowinski is still better than Hernandez at Right guard -- that's who played there last year
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Payasdaddy : 11/29/2022 3:24 pm : link
In comment 15926494 Eric from BBI said:
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Pat Leonard
@PLeonardNYDN
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Giants free safety Xavier McKinney has the cast off his left hand. It is severely swollen with several pins in the back of his hand, beneath his knuckles, across. He’s not speaking to the media. But there’s your update for today #Giants


with cast off, thinking back on field in 2-3 weeks

maybe I am being optimistic
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BigBlueJ : 11/29/2022 3:30 pm : link
In comment 15926519 Payasdaddy said:
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Pat Leonard
@PLeonardNYDN
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Giants free safety Xavier McKinney has the cast off his left hand. It is severely swollen with several pins in the back of his hand, beneath his knuckles, across. He’s not speaking to the media. But there’s your update for today #Giants



with cast off, thinking back on field in 2-3 weeks

maybe I am being optimistic


We still were never told of the severity of the injury. Nerve damage? How many broken bones? Etc.. he may be done for all we know.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/29/2022 3:35 pm : link
Jordan Raanan
@JordanRaanan
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Xavier McKinney (hand) told me he fully expects to be back this season for #Giants. Had said he wasn’t sure when he was asked immediately after accident.

McKinney was placed on injured reserve several weeks back. Can’t be designated for return until at least after Sunday’s game.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/29/2022 3:57 pm : link
Ryan Dunleavy
@rydunleavy
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Azeez Ojulari and Evan Neal both said they practiced full today. No official injury report #Giants
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OBJ_AllDay : 11/29/2022 4:22 pm : link
In comment 15926519 Payasdaddy said:
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Pat Leonard
@PLeonardNYDN
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Giants free safety Xavier McKinney has the cast off his left hand. It is severely swollen with several pins in the back of his hand, beneath his knuckles, across. He’s not speaking to the media. But there’s your update for today #Giants



with cast off, thinking back on field in 2-3 weeks

maybe I am being optimistic


Sight seeing tour... the Tijuana edition. Have a bad feeling the timeframe will be longer. Sounds like he did a lot of damage.
Injuries  
Archer : 11/29/2022 4:33 pm : link
If the Giants can make the playoffs they will be a tough out.


The defense desperately needs Jackson and McKinney to solidify the defense.

RE: section125  
section125 : 11/29/2022 5:00 pm : link
In comment 15926344 Eric from BBI said:
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Whatever.

They put two guys back into a game who re-injured themselves within 30 minutes.


Sounds like every Giant on the roster. And Ezeudu I believe finished the game. Everyone wanted him in to play. What can you do. At least he tried - and was pretty bad.
Lemiuex situation is bad  
DavidinBMNY : 11/29/2022 5:08 pm : link
By now they should know Lemiuex will do everything to play and while his courage and willingness to play is commendable, they need to protect him from himself. Instead he's just now always hurt.

They should just put him on the shelf and give him one more chance next year with no guarantee of making the roster.
Based on that description  
Dave on the UWS : 11/29/2022 5:09 pm : link
Severe swelling pins all across his hand? He did “significant” damage. I’ll be surprised if he can play again this year.
RE: Based on that description  
Payasdaddy : 11/29/2022 5:15 pm : link
In comment 15926683 Dave on the UWS said:
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Severe swelling pins all across his hand? He did “significant” damage. I’ll be surprised if he can play again this year.


if it was that bad, cast would still be on'
he will be playing this yr unless we are out of it in 4 weeks and they just wrap it up for yr
Lemeiux  
Bill in UT : 11/29/2022 5:24 pm : link
Amputate the f'n toe. It's not like he needs it, fgs. He'll be back in a week and never have to worry about it again. JPP is playing without 3 fingers and Shaq Griffin played with one hand. That's what Gates would do :)
RE: Lemeiux  
LTIsTheGreatest : 11/29/2022 5:30 pm : link
In comment 15926698 Bill in UT said:
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Amputate the f'n toe. It's not like he needs it, fgs. He'll be back in a week and never have to worry about it again. JPP is playing without 3 fingers and Shaq Griffin played with one hand. That's what Gates would do :)


Sure what do you care? It's not your toe!
RE: Lemeiux  
OBJ_AllDay : 11/29/2022 6:22 pm : link
In comment 15926698 Bill in UT said:
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Amputate the f'n toe. It's not like he needs it, fgs. He'll be back in a week and never have to worry about it again. JPP is playing without 3 fingers and Shaq Griffin played with one hand. That's what Gates would do :)


My uncle played for the Florida Gators eons ago and later was on a few practice squads in the NFL. Anyways, he was also an O lineman with a real bad toe in college and one of the coaches at the time tried to convince him to amputate it.
Here it is, go ahead Ronnie  
ghost718 : 11/29/2022 6:26 pm : link
Take your best shot

RE: RE: Lemeiux  
Payasdaddy : 11/29/2022 6:43 pm : link
In comment 15926746 OBJ_AllDay said:
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Amputate the f'n toe. It's not like he needs it, fgs. He'll be back in a week and never have to worry about it again. JPP is playing without 3 fingers and Shaq Griffin played with one hand. That's what Gates would do :)



My uncle played for the Florida Gators eons ago and later was on a few practice squads in the NFL. Anyways, he was also an O lineman with a real bad toe in college and one of the coaches at the time tried to convince him to amputate it.


I did a turf toe in high school it was painful but I played thru it all yr
now , at nearly 59, I have a cheilectomy on it and it probably naturally fusing itself may consider a fake big toe joint down the road they have them but i dont know the data yet on how well they work i still pound it but i feels like I put my toe thru a meat grinder for a day after I do
The McKinney update is not unexpected  
regulator : 11/29/2022 9:15 pm : link
sounds like he had a pretty traumatic fracture to require pin fixation... and it's fairly common for pins to remain in place 5-6 weeks postoperatively.

I am not expecting him back, if at all, until the last week or two of the season.
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