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56GiantsUK : 11/29/2022 8:11 am
listening to some of the comments in regards to the Giants recent games, that they are on a slide, the lack of talent is catching up with them, they won't make the play offs, written off etc etc etc

But yet nobody is saying they played Cowboys tough with a basically depleted team or that they are hanging in there with what they have.
And nobody is saying the Giant will be better once they get their starters back at relevant positions.

It's as if they are judging them as a full strength team that lost to the cowboys, seattle etc.

Or do they know something we don't ?

Once we get some significant players back, hopefully for this Sunday, we will be much better, more potent at opening holes and pass blocking and able to move the ball significantly better and get those completions going again.

I hope Sunday brings around a much healthier and stronger team especially on offense

YES...  
Brown_Hornet : 11/29/2022 8:19 am : link
...!

Go Giants!
I'm a glass half full guy  
WillieYoung : 11/29/2022 8:37 am : link
but after the last 5 years I'm walking around waiting for the next catastrophe.
Sorry  
HomerJones45 : 11/29/2022 8:41 am : link
No rah rah rah on this one. I got my "moral victory" card checked sometime in the 70's. No trophies for tough participation.
RE: Sorry  
section125 : 11/29/2022 9:03 am : link
In comment 15926054 HomerJones45 said:
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No rah rah rah on this one. I got my "moral victory" card checked sometime in the 70's. No trophies for tough participation.


I am sort of with you there - at least this year. They had good chances to beat the Cowboys and let it slip away.
I agree  
mdthedream : 11/29/2022 9:06 am : link
The Giants made a mistake going for it on 4th and 2 early in the 3rd quarter. To me that was the game. Giants played really well considering the injuries.
RE: Sorry  
rsjem1979 : 11/29/2022 9:15 am : link
In comment 15926054 HomerJones45 said:
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No rah rah rah on this one. I got my "moral victory" card checked sometime in the 70's. No trophies for tough participation.


Yep. It's admirable and a testament to their preparation and coaching staff that they are playing hard and competitive, but the reality is they are talent and depth deficient and their 7-2 record was largely based on a favorable schedule and some very good luck.

There's simply a level they cannot reach, and it's absolutely fine to acknowledge it.
When they got off to the great start  
Rudy5757 : 11/29/2022 9:19 am : link
they raised expectations. They were winning close games and hanging in there. The only thing that changed is they are losing those games now. No doubt they have better coaching and are lacking talent. But the NFL is based on wins and losses, nobody cares about how injured you are.

I didnt expect them to win the Dallas game. I was happy they were in it but realistically this team cant compete game in and game out with the good teams. We still have a lot of holes. The lack of WR talent is killing this team. We have no one that scares anyone and they can play us straight up and target Barkley. If we sign OBJ that may help with a playoff push unless hes totally cooked which he may be.

A stud WR has to be top priority going into next season. We really need to start from scratch and get rid of the whole WR group.
RE: Sorry  
g56blue10 : 11/29/2022 9:31 am : link
In comment 15926054 HomerJones45 said:
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No rah rah rah on this one. I got my "moral victory" card checked sometime in the 70's. No trophies for tough participation.


I don’t think he was referring to moral victories regarding the cowboys game. I was using as barometer to project the rest of the season. We are looking at many players coming back that could make a significant impact
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giantstock : 11/29/2022 9:48 am : link
In comment 15926087 rsjem1979 said:
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No rah rah rah on this one. I got my "moral victory" card checked sometime in the 70's. No trophies for tough participation.



Yep. It's admirable and a testament to their preparation and coaching staff that they are playing hard and competitive, but the reality is they are talent and depth deficient and their 7-2 record was largely based on a favorable schedule and some very good luck.

There's simply a level they cannot reach, and it's absolutely fine to acknowledge it.


+1
I thought the Giants played a great game given the circumstances  
RobCrossRiver56 : 11/29/2022 11:11 am : link
But the ref's F'd us big time
late flag in the 1st to take a TD offf the board. The call was questionable at best.
Then we stopped Dallas twice at midfield in the 3rd and twice the ref's threw late flags that kept the drives going and resulted in TD's

That's a 21 point swing, it's hard to win when that happens.

RE: I thought the Giants played a great game given the circumstances  
Adirondack GMen : 11/29/2022 11:42 am : link
In comment 15926202 RobCrossRiver56 said:
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But the ref's F'd us big time
late flag in the 1st to take a TD offf the board. The call was questionable at best.
Then we stopped Dallas twice at midfield in the 3rd and twice the ref's threw late flags that kept the drives going and resulted in TD's

That's a 21 point swing, it's hard to win when that happens.

Jerry must be shipping some mighty expensive scotch to the refs prior to the games. Why is it they alway get the fantom call! Even the broadcasters on Sirius radio said “how could that be holding!l I believe that was Kurt Warner who loves us sooooo much. Yet he was upset at that bad call.
I would like to see how far the lineman wandered down field to get that flag… 2inches or as they say in scotch world 2 fingers. 👍🥃
RE: I agree  
Ivan15 : 11/29/2022 12:06 pm : link
In comment 15926078 mdthedream said:
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The Giants made a mistake going for it on 4th and 2 early in the 3rd quarter. To me that was the game. Giants played really well considering the injuries.
Sometimes, playing ‘not to lose’ is the right move. It was too early to make a move like that.
I have to keep reminding myself that Schoen and Daboll are both getting on the job training at their new positions, even though they both are pretty experienced overall. Schoen has made a few mistakes but, with the resources available, some risk is expected. Daboll is just trying to find any way to win. So far, that has worked out well, most of the time. There always is more risk than reward on a 4th down play unless the team is 4th and goal. Judge certainly wouldn’t have risked it.
I'm not sure I agree with the OP  
gidiefor : Mod : 11/29/2022 12:06 pm : link
the main difference between the fist half and the second half is that the Giants "forced" three turnovers in the first half (actually one was a lucky heads up play) and gave up one and didn't create any in the second half

Other than that Dallas was mostly eating the Giants lunch
Who's back this week  
uther99 : 11/29/2022 12:10 pm : link
Ojulari and Brederson? That's ok, but need Neal and Ezudu and Mckinney and Adoree , etc. I expect another loss against Washington
Expectations grew based on their start  
JonC : 11/29/2022 12:48 pm : link
The reality is a lot of the early success was due to a weaker schedule and catching some teams at the right time. Giants are no longer sneaking up on opponents, teams are prepared and ready to defend the shrunken offense. The injuries are certainly another factor, but not the sole factor.

I said it at 6-1 and 7-2, the Giants would be hard-pressed to win 10 games. Expectations are bumped from low to moderate, 2022 is already a success in the bigger picture. But, this roster is clearly a season or two (and a QB) away from contention.
I felt the Lions game was the key to the post season  
cjac : 11/29/2022 12:59 pm : link
losing that game really hurt us. There's only 1 more winnable game left (Colts)

We should be able to shut down Matt Ryan in our building in January
9 wins might get a wildcard  
JonC : 11/29/2022 1:03 pm : link
but one of those needs to be over WASH, plus the Colts. But, you're backing in the playoffs this way too.
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cosmicj : 11/29/2022 1:06 pm : link
“ But yet nobody is saying they played Cowboys tough with a basically depleted team or that they are hanging in there with what they have.”

Actually, a lot of people were complimenting the players and coaches for coming out prepared and playing hard.
I found the game encouraging to be honest  
UberAlias : 11/29/2022 2:17 pm : link
We had no business being in that game. Get us some talent on the field and this team has a promising future.
RE: I felt the Lions game was the key to the post season  
GMen72 : 11/29/2022 2:23 pm : link
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losing that game really hurt us. There's only 1 more winnable game left (Colts)

We should be able to shut down Matt Ryan in our building in January


Huh? Both Washington games are winnable, and even the Vikings can shit the bed at times. The 2nd game against the Eagles will probably be against their backups, for at least a half. So, that's 3 1/2 to 4 1/2 winnable games, depending on which opponent shows up.
RE: RE: I felt the Lions game was the key to the post season  
Gatorade Dunk : 11/29/2022 3:59 pm : link
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losing that game really hurt us. There's only 1 more winnable game left (Colts)

We should be able to shut down Matt Ryan in our building in January



Huh? Both Washington games are winnable, and even the Vikings can shit the bed at times. The 2nd game against the Eagles will probably be against their backups, for at least a half. So, that's 3 1/2 to 4 1/2 winnable games, depending on which opponent shows up.

The Vikings have two losses this season: to the Eagles and to the Cowboys. Which one qualifies as shitting the bed?
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Angel Eyes : 11/29/2022 4:00 pm : link
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losing that game really hurt us. There's only 1 more winnable game left (Colts)

We should be able to shut down Matt Ryan in our building in January



Huh? Both Washington games are winnable, and even the Vikings can shit the bed at times. The 2nd game against the Eagles will probably be against their backups, for at least a half. So, that's 3 1/2 to 4 1/2 winnable games, depending on which opponent shows up.


The Vikings have two losses this season: to the Eagles and to the Cowboys. Which one qualifies as shitting the bed?

The Cowboys beat the Vikings 40-3 last week.
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Gatorade Dunk : 11/29/2022 5:06 pm : link
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losing that game really hurt us. There's only 1 more winnable game left (Colts)

We should be able to shut down Matt Ryan in our building in January



Huh? Both Washington games are winnable, and even the Vikings can shit the bed at times. The 2nd game against the Eagles will probably be against their backups, for at least a half. So, that's 3 1/2 to 4 1/2 winnable games, depending on which opponent shows up.


The Vikings have two losses this season: to the Eagles and to the Cowboys. Which one qualifies as shitting the bed?


The Cowboys beat the Vikings 40-3 last week.

I still don't see how that's shitting the bed. They haven't lost a game they shouldn't have, IMO. That's the way I would interpret shitting the bed.
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LakeGeorgeGiant : 11/29/2022 7:05 pm : link
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losing that game really hurt us. There's only 1 more winnable game left (Colts)

We should be able to shut down Matt Ryan in our building in January



Huh? Both Washington games are winnable, and even the Vikings can shit the bed at times. The 2nd game against the Eagles will probably be against their backups, for at least a half. So, that's 3 1/2 to 4 1/2 winnable games, depending on which opponent shows up.


The Vikings have two losses this season: to the Eagles and to the Cowboys. Which one qualifies as shitting the bed?


The Cowboys beat the Vikings 40-3 last week.


I still don't see how that's shitting the bed. They haven't lost a game they shouldn't have, IMO. That's the way I would interpret shitting the bed.


40-3 is shitting the bed. Good teams don't lose by 37 points. They are going down the shitter.

I'm not saying the Giants beat them, but if I am a Vikings fan I'm not confident in a win against anybody right now.
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Ten Ton Hammer : 11/29/2022 7:35 pm : link
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losing that game really hurt us. There's only 1 more winnable game left (Colts)

We should be able to shut down Matt Ryan in our building in January



Huh? Both Washington games are winnable, and even the Vikings can shit the bed at times. The 2nd game against the Eagles will probably be against their backups, for at least a half. So, that's 3 1/2 to 4 1/2 winnable games, depending on which opponent shows up.


The Vikings have two losses this season: to the Eagles and to the Cowboys. Which one qualifies as shitting the bed?


The Cowboys beat the Vikings 40-3 last week.


I still don't see how that's shitting the bed. They haven't lost a game they shouldn't have, IMO. That's the way I would interpret shitting the bed.



40-3 is shitting the bed. Good teams don't lose by 37 points.



Blowouts happen all the time. The Giants lost a game 49-24 in a year they won a super bowl.

It was 42- 17 in the 4th quarter before a garbage touchdown. Football is random. The Bills beat Tennessee 41-7 this year. Tennessee is 7-4 and rolling to the playoffs.
RE: I'm not sure I agree with the OP  
DisgruntledNYGfan : 11/29/2022 9:58 pm : link
In comment 15926276 gidiefor said:
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the main difference between the fist half and the second half is that the Giants "forced" three turnovers in the first half (actually one was a lucky heads up play) and gave up one and didn't create any in the second half

Other than that Dallas was mostly eating the Giants lunch


This.

The Cowboys were moving the ball at will and the Giants had one really good TD drive in the first half. I agree the illegal man downfield was ticky-tack and so were the Homles penalties.

But the Cowboys had outgained us significantly in the first half, and stopped shooting themselves in the foot in the second half and dominated us. Offense did nothing in the second half except for a garbage time td drive.
Even if we got the 4th and 2 conversion, it’s no guarantee that we score
anything on that drive. Offense was not exactly humming.
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