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NGT: NFL view on Anthony Richardson

ajr2456 : 11/29/2022 4:55 pm
One scout calls him a no brainer first rounder
Richardson - ( New Window )
The excerpt since it’s a paywall  
ajr2456 : 11/29/2022 4:56 pm : link
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kewl story  
dancing blue bear : 11/29/2022 5:06 pm : link
bro.
RE: kewl story  
ajr2456 : 11/29/2022 5:09 pm : link
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Just sharing an informative article. Don’t get your panties in a bunch
Thanks  
AcidTest : 11/29/2022 5:09 pm : link
for the story.
If the Ravens decide to let LJax walk...  
bw in dc : 11/29/2022 5:16 pm : link
I could see them making a move for AR, especially with Tyler Huntley still in the QB stable for them. Huntley could serve as a multi-year bridge for AR.

AR is going to have a big decision to make because Team AR is going to get strong feedback from both ends of the opinion spectrum:

Stay in school and continue working on your craft or you are a definitive first round talent and now is the time to pounce...
From what I heard  
ajr2456 : 11/29/2022 5:22 pm : link
He’s leaning toward leaving
Upside  
DanMetroMan : 11/29/2022 5:22 pm : link
is immense with this kid. I think he's going to come out and then red shirt 2023. Not saying it would be here but it wouldn't be the end of the world to see the rest of the young talent develop next season (yes, with boring Tyrod Taylor) and then inserting a coached up AR.
No AR, way too many holes to fill to waste a draft pick on a qb  
Jack Stroud : 11/29/2022 5:35 pm : link
when the Giants already have a good, young qb.
RE: No AR, way too many holes to fill to waste a draft pick on a qb  
ajr2456 : 11/29/2022 5:37 pm : link
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when the Giants already have a good, young qb.


Who?
RE: Upside  
Mike in NY : 11/29/2022 5:42 pm : link
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is immense with this kid. I think he's going to come out and then red shirt 2023. Not saying it would be here but it wouldn't be the end of the world to see the rest of the young talent develop next season (yes, with boring Tyrod Taylor) and then inserting a coached up AR.


Taylor can’t stay healthy and AR getting meaningful snaps in 2023 scares me. AR is elite at everything except actually playing the QB position.
Agree  
ChrisRick : 11/29/2022 5:46 pm : link
With Mike. Richardson has a ways to go to be an nfl quarterback, too much risk for a first round pick in n my view. Stay in school and work on reading defenses, learning to throw the ball away
If he’s there in the second round I’d  
ajr2456 : 11/29/2022 5:50 pm : link
Consider the selection. Not sure id use a first rounder unless something changes drastically between now and the combine
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ChrisRick : 11/29/2022 5:53 pm : link
Aj, I agree. A second would be tempting.
And I think even though teams see him as a no brainer  
ajr2456 : 11/29/2022 5:54 pm : link
First round talent; nobody actually pulls the trigger round 1. I could be wrong but I don’t see a QB needy team making that move.
NFL view of AR  
Archer : 11/29/2022 5:57 pm : link
This is the view of one unnamed scout as described by a columnist who covers the Gators.

There are many dissenting opinions about Anthony Richardson with the majority suggesting that he is not ready for the NFL.

People always get intrigued by athleticism but it takes much more to become an NFL QB.

Look at Willis last year, there were pundits extolling his virtues and suggesting that he should be the first QB chosen.

He was not ready for prime time and neither is Richardson.

I hope that Richardson stays in school another year and works on his mechanics, reading defenses, improving his accuracy, learns to get the ball out quicker, and develops touch and placement. He makes some highlight plays but he is not consistent and has come up lacking this year.


I just posted in the other Richardson thread  
allstarjim : 11/29/2022 5:57 pm : link
from a day or two ago.

It would shock me if he goes in the first.

I don't think you can look at his decision-making with the football and say, well that's a guy I want to bet on the physical profile with a first round pick.

Yes, the physical profile matters, and he is the prototype you want. But it's the lack of efficiency, the bad decision-making, there's too much negative there.

I know teams will take wild swings at hitting a homerun at QB, and often times will do so in the late first round range, so I guess anything is possible. But that would go to show a lot of teams are terrible at drafting.

RE: NFL view of AR  
bw in dc : 11/29/2022 6:25 pm : link
In comment 15926728 Archer said:
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I hope that Richardson stays in school another year and works on his mechanics, reading defenses, improving his accuracy, learns to get the ball out quicker, and develops touch and placement. He makes some highlight plays but he is not consistent and has come up lacking this year.



The only QB attributes that convey from college to the NFL are arm strength, speed, athleticism, size and work ethic.

Nobody has an idea if accuracy, decision making, leadership, acumen, etc will convey from college.

If he's not slated to go in the 1st  
Jerry in_DC : 11/29/2022 8:17 pm : link
Then he's probably staying in school. These big QBs make more $$ in college than as 2nd round picks. Plus playing football at Florida is way more fun than sitting the bench in the NFL.

My feeling is that he'd almost definitely get picked in the 1st. The tools are outstanding. And he throws some really good, accurate, difficult passes.

He'd almost certainly sit for a year, but its not inconceivable that he could run the 2022 Giants or Falcons style offense as a rookie.
If he comes out  
Sy'56 : 11/29/2022 8:18 pm : link
he is going in round 1
He's a larger Lamar Jackson  
Jint Fan in Buc Land : 11/29/2022 8:24 pm : link
Sudden, fast, and effortlessly throws rockets. If he goes to the right place he’s going to be a big deal. He obviously has a ways to go though. I’m not against DJ but I’d bet Richardson is exactly what Daboll and Schoen want
RE: If he comes out  
ajr2456 : 11/29/2022 8:27 pm : link
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he is going in round 1


Where in the first do you see him going? 20-30?
RE: He's a larger Lamar Jackson  
bw in dc : 11/29/2022 8:41 pm : link
In comment 15926828 Jint Fan in Buc Land said:
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Sudden, fast, and effortlessly throws rockets. If he goes to the right place he’s going to be a big deal. He obviously has a ways to go though. I’m not against DJ but I’d bet Richardson is exactly what Daboll and Schoen want


I see more Cam Newton, but with a much better throwing motion and better overall athleticism.
RE: RE: If he comes out  
Sy'56 : 11/30/2022 7:23 am : link
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he is going in round 1



Where in the first do you see him going? 20-30?


The floor would be 15th. I would bet money on him going top 10, possibly even QB 1 (AKA #1 overall)
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Sean : 11/30/2022 7:46 am : link
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Now Mike in MD : 11/30/2022 7:47 am : link
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he is going in round 1



Where in the first do you see him going? 20-30?



The floor would be 15th. I would bet money on him going top 10, possibly even QB 1 (AKA #1 overall)


Wow! That's stunning. The decisionmaking has been discussed, but I also see him whiff on a lot of pretty easy throws and by a lot. Is it inconsistent mechanics or lsoing focus with him?

Thanks
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ChrisRick : 11/30/2022 7:53 am : link
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Where in the first do you see him going? 20-30?



The floor would be 15th. I would bet money on him going top 10, possibly even QB 1 (AKA #1 overall)


Thanks for you responses Sy. How do you value Richardson? Is it much different than how NFL teams will value him if he comes out this year?
Josh Allen  
Biteymax22 : 11/30/2022 7:56 am : link
Is a very good barometer for Richardson. The same "big time skill set" between the huge arms and athletic ability coupled with size but also similar warts coming out of college.

Allen went 7th overall after a team traded their LT to move up twice for him.

Richardson is going to be coveted despite Rob Sale's best effort to push him down to us...
RE: So many posters are horrified of swinging big at QB  
ChrisRick : 11/30/2022 7:57 am : link
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I recall some posters wanting to 'swing big' and draft Malik Willis 5th overall last year.
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bw in dc : 11/30/2022 8:01 am : link
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I recall some posters wanting to 'swing big' and draft Malik Willis 5th overall last year.


Jury is still out on Willis. So, far too early to be throwing dirt on his grave.

Richardson is 6'4", 235. Much bigger than Willis.
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ChrisRick : 11/30/2022 8:05 am : link
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I recall some posters wanting to 'swing big' and draft Malik Willis 5th overall last year.



Jury is still out on Willis. So, far too early to be throwing dirt on his grave.

Richardson is 6'4", 235. Much bigger than Willis.


I am not throwing dirt on Willis' grave. Drafting Willis at 5 would be a master misuse of resources no matter how he turns out, that was the point. There is a reason fans and teams are right to be wary about drafting a possible boom or bust player. And Richardson's size is irrelevant here.
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Biteymax22 : 11/30/2022 8:05 am : link
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I recall some posters wanting to 'swing big' and draft Malik Willis 5th overall last year.



Jury is still out on Willis. So, far too early to be throwing dirt on his grave.

Richardson is 6'4", 235. Much bigger than Willis.


He also played in the SEC against very high level competition. Willis didn't, nor did Josh Allen.
Not ready  
jeff57 : 11/30/2022 8:05 am : link
If a team wants to use a first-round pick on him as a developmental prospect, like Malik Willis, they're welcome to it. I would not want the Giants to take him. I'd rather take Penix, Jefferson or Hooker on the second day. Better value.
I do not know what to  
section125 : 11/30/2022 8:06 am : link
think of him. Physically, wow. Missed throws could be either the QB or the WR making a wrong read. Just not sure he is mentally there for complex NFL offense and defense - lack of experience? The arm is stunningly good and he can move.

If his floor is 15th, he is coming out.
Getting it with the processing  
Lines of Scrimmage : 11/30/2022 8:10 am : link
to making and executing a throw is not as easy as some may think. It is actually rare and less likely the more a QB has played in college and has not showed it.

Good thing is JS/BD have been through this and they saw it in Allen. Let's hope if they go this direction adding a QB they hit again. I have been saying a dual threat is in play. You can win with it in season. I still don't see closing the deal come playoffs and SB (w/o excelling in the picket) but it gives this regime time to strike again down the road if needed and allow for resources to be spent elsewhere. In the interim you can win and maybe you get lucky and that QB progresses.
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bw in dc : 11/30/2022 8:18 am : link
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I recall some posters wanting to 'swing big' and draft Malik Willis 5th overall last year.



Jury is still out on Willis. So, far too early to be throwing dirt on his grave.

Richardson is 6'4", 235. Much bigger than Willis.



I am not throwing dirt on Willis' grave. Drafting Willis at 5 would be a master misuse of resources no matter how he turns out, that was the point. There is a reason fans and teams are right to be wary about drafting a possible boom or bust player. And Richardson's size is irrelevant here.


My bad. I misunderstood where you were going.

I was trying to distinguish why AR would be more enticing than Willis from an overall physical standpoint.
The parallels with Josh Allen and the Bills front office  
cosmicj : 11/30/2022 8:35 am : link
Will make this a major discussion topic here for the next 6 months, I predict.

In retrospect, one of Allen’s real plus characteristics as a prospect were what was above his neck: he scored very well on the Wonderlic and has an engaging, positive personality.

Anyone have some knowledge about Richardson’s personality and smarts?
Long interview in the gym with Richardson  
cosmicj : 11/30/2022 8:44 am : link
Likable guy. Comes from poverty. At 11:00, they talk about the NIL licensing, which Richardson has been pursuing aggressively. His family needs money- if he’s a first rounder, he’s coming out, I bet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYsJSMUsO78 - ( New Window )
I feel like people  
Now Mike in MD : 11/30/2022 8:54 am : link
want to compare anyone with tools and accuracy issues to Allen, but IMO there Allen is not a comp for Richardson. Allen went to a small school so obvioulsy didn't getting the coaching necessary to improve and there were questions whether his accuracy issues were caused in part by thorwing to crap receivers.

Richardson has been getting top notch coaching and he hasn't improved one iota with his accuracy or decisionmaking and his receivers are head and shoulders better than what Allen was throwing to.

If he goes 1st round, he would be the biggest boom bust pick in recent memory
Clear-cut first round pick  
NYGgolfer : 11/30/2022 8:57 am : link
Has too many + attributes not to be.
RE: I feel like people  
BigBlueShock : 11/30/2022 8:57 am : link
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want to compare anyone with tools and accuracy issues to Allen, but IMO there Allen is not a comp for Richardson. Allen went to a small school so obvioulsy didn't getting the coaching necessary to improve and there were questions whether his accuracy issues were caused in part by thorwing to crap receivers.

Richardson has been getting top notch coaching and he hasn't improved one iota with his accuracy or decisionmaking and his receivers are head and shoulders better than what Allen was throwing to.

If he goes 1st round, he would be the biggest boom bust pick in recent memory

How do you know he’s been getting “top notch coaching”? Florida has been absolutely dreadful this season. Watching them play, top notch coaching isn’t exactly the first thing that pops into my head…
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ChrisRick : 11/30/2022 9:05 am : link
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I recall some posters wanting to 'swing big' and draft Malik Willis 5th overall last year.



Jury is still out on Willis. So, far too early to be throwing dirt on his grave.

Richardson is 6'4", 235. Much bigger than Willis.



I am not throwing dirt on Willis' grave. Drafting Willis at 5 would be a master misuse of resources no matter how he turns out, that was the point. There is a reason fans and teams are right to be wary about drafting a possible boom or bust player. And Richardson's size is irrelevant here.



My bad. I misunderstood where you were going.

I was trying to distinguish why AR would be more enticing than Willis from an overall physical standpoint.


All good. Maybe I just was not clear enough, that would not be totally unusual.
RE: RE: I feel like people  
section125 : 11/30/2022 9:13 am : link
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want to compare anyone with tools and accuracy issues to Allen, but IMO there Allen is not a comp for Richardson. Allen went to a small school so obvioulsy didn't getting the coaching necessary to improve and there were questions whether his accuracy issues were caused in part by thorwing to crap receivers.

Richardson has been getting top notch coaching and he hasn't improved one iota with his accuracy or decisionmaking and his receivers are head and shoulders better than what Allen was throwing to.

If he goes 1st round, he would be the biggest boom bust pick in recent memory


How do you know he’s been getting “top notch coaching”? Florida has been absolutely dreadful this season. Watching them play, top notch coaching isn’t exactly the first thing that pops into my head…


Yeah, UF hasn't been exactly tearing it up in the last decade.
Agree with BBS...  
bw in dc : 11/30/2022 9:17 am : link
Why is it assumed AR is getting great coaching at UF?

Do we think that highly of Billy Napier and his staff?
Richardson did have Mullen  
Lines of Scrimmage : 11/30/2022 9:19 am : link
for a bit. He is well regarding as a QB and offensive coach. He had both Tebow and Dak. So its not like he was with some D minded HC who put together a crap O staff.
RE: Clear-cut first round pick  
bw in dc : 11/30/2022 9:22 am : link
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Has too many + attributes not to be.


There is zero doubt AR has plus-plus physical tools.

The questions about his decision making and fundamentals are legitimate.

But if he's coachable and willing to do the work necessary to maximize his potential, he's clearly a top prospect. The learning curve may be longer, but the dividend could be huge.
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Now Mike in MD : 11/30/2022 9:53 am : link
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want to compare anyone with tools and accuracy issues to Allen, but IMO there Allen is not a comp for Richardson. Allen went to a small school so obvioulsy didn't getting the coaching necessary to improve and there were questions whether his accuracy issues were caused in part by thorwing to crap receivers.

Richardson has been getting top notch coaching and he hasn't improved one iota with his accuracy or decisionmaking and his receivers are head and shoulders better than what Allen was throwing to.

If he goes 1st round, he would be the biggest boom bust pick in recent memory


How do you know he’s been getting “top notch coaching”? Florida has been absolutely dreadful this season. Watching them play, top notch coaching isn’t exactly the first thing that pops into my head…



Yeah, UF hasn't been exactly tearing it up in the last decade.


I should have been clearer. I meant top notch relative to Wentz. I realize ND State is an excellent program relative to the level it was playing, but the difference between the instruction at a D! program in a power conference and ND State has to be significant
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NYGgolfer : 11/30/2022 10:03 am : link
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Has too many + attributes not to be.



There is zero doubt AR has plus-plus physical tools.

The questions about his decision making and fundamentals are legitimate.

But if he's coachable and willing to do the work necessary to maximize his potential, he's clearly a top prospect. The learning curve may be longer, but the dividend could be huge.


Yes, agree.

And to those other points related to Richardson, Florida clearly has had some very talented offensive players roll thru there. But wouldn't suggest UF is any top-notch program of developing that talent further. At least not so noticeable to use that as a dig against AR.
Not sure that’s entirely true though  
ajr2456 : 11/30/2022 10:04 am : link
ND State in 2014 was Klieman’s first head coaching job and now he has Kansas State as a top 10 team playing for a Big 10 title. Wentz might have gotten better coaching than most of his counterparts, his coach just hadn’t gotten his opportunity at the next level yet.

Craig Bohl and Josh Allen might be similar, he might be better than Napier but is comfortable at Wyoming.
The coaching market  
Jerry in_DC : 11/30/2022 10:08 am : link
Is not perfectly efficient, especially when it comes to player development. Moving up the coaching ladder involves a lot of ambition, networking, and other factors beyond player development (ie recruiting).

I guarantee that there are FCS schools that are way better at passing game development than some power 5 schools.

On aggregate, it's probably true that the bigger program has the better coaches, but its far from certain on a case by case basis

And just as a specific example,  
Jerry in_DC : 11/30/2022 10:12 am : link
Dan Mullen was Richarsons coach for 2 years. Dan Mullen was Dak Prescotts coach at MSU. Based on his college performance (ie Mullens coaching) Dak was drafted in the 4th round. He'd probably be a top 5 pick in a redraft.
RE: The coaching market  
ajr2456 : 11/30/2022 10:13 am : link
In comment 15927080 Jerry in_DC said:
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Is not perfectly efficient, especially when it comes to player development. Moving up the coaching ladder involves a lot of ambition, networking, and other factors beyond player development (ie recruiting).

I guarantee that there are FCS schools that are way better at passing game development than some power 5 schools.

On aggregate, it's probably true that the bigger program has the better coaches, but its far from certain on a case by case basis


Memphis isn’t as small as ND State, but the previous FSU staffs didn’t trust Jordan Travis as a passer and Norvell has turned him into a pretty solid passer. Development in college is sometimes about right place, right time.
I mean, if they drafted him Id be excited  
Jim in Forest Hills : 11/30/2022 10:21 am : link
but can someone explain these stats to me? He has 9 TDs and 7 picks with a 55.7% comp pct. I can see he's big and fast, is he accurate? Making good decisions in tough situations?
RE: Not sure that’s entirely true though  
bw in dc : 11/30/2022 10:26 am : link
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ND State in 2014 was Klieman’s first head coaching job and now he has Kansas State as a top 10 team playing for a Big 10 title. Wentz might have gotten better coaching than most of his counterparts, his coach just hadn’t gotten his opportunity at the next level yet.

Craig Bohl and Josh Allen might be similar, he might be better than Napier but is comfortable at Wyoming.


Ironically enough, Bohl was Wentz's HC at NDST for at least two years...I believe.
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ajr2456 : 11/30/2022 10:28 am : link
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ND State in 2014 was Klieman’s first head coaching job and now he has Kansas State as a top 10 team playing for a Big 10 title. Wentz might have gotten better coaching than most of his counterparts, his coach just hadn’t gotten his opportunity at the next level yet.

Craig Bohl and Josh Allen might be similar, he might be better than Napier but is comfortable at Wyoming.



Ironically enough, Bohl was Wentz's HC at NDST for at least two years...I believe.


Yup 2012 and 2013
A 53% completion percentage  
Carl in CT : 11/30/2022 10:36 am : link
With 8 games under 60% this year. If you don’t complete 60% in this league (currently) you don’t last.
In context  
Carl in CT : 11/30/2022 10:43 am : link
Not a single quarterback this year who has started a game is less than 55% this year. (Includes Mr. Wilson of the jets). This is against pro defenses. With a ton of backups filtered in and you want to ask someone who never has had a 60% completion rate in college to be your QB? You think this board is negative about Jones (who never had players and is 65%) this kid will be abused day 1 and with hopefully a way better supporting cast.
RE: In context  
Sean : 11/30/2022 11:01 am : link
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Not a single quarterback this year who has started a game is less than 55% this year. (Includes Mr. Wilson of the jets). This is against pro defenses. With a ton of backups filtered in and you want to ask someone who never has had a 60% completion rate in college to be your QB? You think this board is negative about Jones (who never had players and is 65%) this kid will be abused day 1 and with hopefully a way better supporting cast.

Jones Y/A is 6.9. Are we really propping up his completion percentage which is filled with dink and dunk passes underneath? Come on. The standard has to be higher.

The Giants haven’t scored 30 points for 39 straight games.
RE: I mean, if they drafted him Id be excited  
ajr2456 : 11/30/2022 11:05 am : link
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but can someone explain these stats to me? He has 9 TDs and 7 picks with a 55.7% comp pct. I can see he's big and fast, is he accurate? Making good decisions in tough situations?


He has 17 tds and 9 picks. He’s been volatile but he was really good against Tennessee and was good against LSU.
RE: In context  
Jim in Forest Hills : 11/30/2022 11:06 am : link
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Not a single quarterback this year who has started a game is less than 55% this year. (Includes Mr. Wilson of the jets). This is against pro defenses. With a ton of backups filtered in and you want to ask someone who never has had a 60% completion rate in college to be your QB? You think this board is negative about Jones (who never had players and is 65%) this kid will be abused day 1 and with hopefully a way better supporting cast.


This is what Im trying to understand, is it purely traits? I get the Josh Allen callout but plenty of traits guys never did shit.
RE: RE: I mean, if they drafted him Id be excited  
Jim in Forest Hills : 11/30/2022 11:09 am : link
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but can someone explain these stats to me? He has 9 TDs and 7 picks with a 55.7% comp pct. I can see he's big and fast, is he accurate? Making good decisions in tough situations?



He has 17 tds and 9 picks. He’s been volatile but he was really good against Tennessee and was good against LSU.


Thanks these look alot better, I checked wiki (bad choice) although his comp % dropped. I'm down with him if Schoen picks him but want to understand the building hype.
QB is about upside  
Sean : 11/30/2022 11:12 am : link
Teams take swings on upside. Again, so many are missing the point that Jones is a pending FA. This would not be a discussion if it were Jones second year.
Well see at the combine  
ajr2456 : 11/30/2022 11:17 am : link
And Sy can correct me if I’m wrong but he’ll likely have the highest ball velocity of this years class, and should run a 4.4-4.5. He’s thrown some beautiful balls, even in the FSU game where he didn’t complete many, the big thing is going to be getting consistency out him. With what Daboll and Kafka have done with Jones this year, I’m confident they can get the consistency needed.
Manning's highest  
Lines of Scrimmage : 11/30/2022 11:48 am : link
Y/A was 8.4 in 2011. He was never in 8 plus range again and most other years were in mid 6's to 7.4. I wonder what was so different about '11?
With the same team  
Carl in CT : 11/30/2022 11:50 am : link
The giants would take a massive step back. With huge money to spend fixing OL getting some receivers etc maybe we could stay where we are building for the future. But to say this is our next franchise QB I wouldn’t agree.
RE: Manning's highest  
ajr2456 : 11/30/2022 11:53 am : link
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Y/A was 8.4 in 2011. He was never in 8 plus range again and most other years were in mid 6's to 7.4. I wonder what was so different about '11?


probably because the Giants did run the ball 30 times a game
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KDavies : 11/30/2022 12:04 pm : link
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Where in the first do you see him going? 20-30?



The floor would be 15th. I would bet money on him going top 10, possibly even QB 1 (AKA #1 overall)


Wow! I'm not sold on him, but I'm certainly not a scout
He has a lot of work to do, but looks like he has what it takes  
Ira : 11/30/2022 12:11 pm : link
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RE: RE: Manning's highest  
Lines of Scrimmage : 11/30/2022 12:12 pm : link
In comment 15927197 ajr2456 said:
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Y/A was 8.4 in 2011. He was never in 8 plus range again and most other years were in mid 6's to 7.4. I wonder what was so different about '11?



probably because the Giants did run the ball 30 times a game


No. They couldn't. The line was on its last rights but it could still functionally PB. Good thing they had that group and a elite processing and decisioning making QB to utilize it.

Always the other part of what I say. If you don't have those two elements you damn well better be able to run the ball a lot with success. Maybe someday you get the concept of down/distance and making the defense respect the run game and how that impacts the pass game. But hey I'm sure you post some more fantasy articles.
Very interesting  
JB_in_DC : 11/30/2022 12:14 pm : link
thanks for sharing this and thanks Sy for the input.

Seems like a guy that the pre-draft process will be huge for. Chance to work on mechanics, board work, etc.
RE: RE: RE: Manning's highest  
ajr2456 : 11/30/2022 12:27 pm : link
In comment 15927219 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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No. They couldn't. The line was on its last rights but it could still functionally PB. Good thing they had that group and an elite processing and decisioning making QB to utilize it.

Always the other part of what I say. If you don't have those two elements you damn well better be able to run the ball a lot with success. Maybe someday you get the concept of down/distance and making the defense respect the run game and how that impacts the pass game. But hey I'm sure you post some more fantasy articles.


Fantasy articles? I’m convinced you do zero research.

They ran the ball 38 times vs St Louis for 3.1 ypc, 33 vs Buffalo for 3.7 ypc, 29 against Pats and 9ers for 3.8 and 3.2 ypc, 31 against Dallas for 3.5 and 3.4 ypc. Not exactly efficiency numbers, so what’s the common denominator?

They threw it 30 times vs St. Louis for 7.4 y/a, 32 against Buffalo for 9.1 y/a, 39 for Pats for 6.4 y/a, 40 against San Fran for 7.4 (the only loss), 47 times for 8.5 y/a and 33 times for 10.5 y/a against Dallas. The Giants most effective run games of that season were when they ran it 18, 20, 26 and 25 times in which they went 2-2.

Seems like there really is no substance to your theory. So 5-1 when not running efficiently, 2-2 when running efficiently.
Ajr  
Lines of Scrimmage : 11/30/2022 2:25 pm : link
What's your point? I have said numerous times if you don't have the rushing carries/ypc that you better have a upper tier
WR's and elite QB. 2011 check.

Now 2012 what happened? Nicks got hurt. 53 catches 692 yards. He never recovered. Manning's Y/A?

By 2013 that OL the worst of Eli's career. The rushing carries were the lowest also of his career. Lot of int's? Y/A?

Now go to 2014/15? They go Y/A 7.3 and 7.4. Something really strange must have happened. Any idea? Still not convinced they went way down to his worst Y/A of his career 5.4. Something really strange must have happened that year.
Any ideas? That terrible run game again as well.

Are you suggesting that if the Giants had the type of team they did 2005-10 where they averaged 30 145 4.6 they might not have won a little more especially considered the NFC east at time? That Eli would better get around the WR deficiency with that kind of support? Was the NFCE a better division 2005-10 than 2012-16? Seem to remember some really good HC's who stopped in and kind of understood the football thing.

See if you can figure it all out. Maybe there are some things that impact y/a. I did have done mine. You do yours.
You realize you’re disproving your own theory  
ajr2456 : 11/30/2022 2:49 pm : link
When you say “if you can’t run it you need to pass it a high level”, right?

More and more this theory turns into the truth, that there’s multiple ways to win games and 30 carries doesn’t mean anything. The 2011 Giants had as many wins rushing for 30 carries as they had without rushing for 30 carries. Also you said they couldn’t run the ball 30 times a game in 2011, but they did it more than half their victories.

Eli was still top 10 in y/a in 2012
If we started Richardson next year  
Jerry in_DC : 11/30/2022 4:14 pm : link
I bet we'd hit that 30 carry mark just about every week
RE: If we started Richardson next year  
Lines of Scrimmage : 11/30/2022 4:20 pm : link
In comment 15927436 Jerry in_DC said:
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I bet we'd hit that 30 carry mark just about every week


I agree with this. I would not be surprised if JS/BD look at one of these dual guys very closely especially with what's going on in the NFL. I think they are pretty close to having a very good OL with another offseason. That bodes very well for a rookie QB. The cost savings gives JS a lot more money to build a better team especially on D. 30 carry 4.5 or higher with a upper tier D which I also think they can have sign me up. Don't know if its Richardson or not but I gather he is looking very hard for someone.
RE: You realize you’re disproving your own theory  
Lines of Scrimmage : 11/30/2022 4:31 pm : link
In comment 15927371 ajr2456 said:
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When you say “if you can’t run it you need to pass it a high level”, right?

More and more this theory turns into the truth, that there’s multiple ways to win games and 30 carries doesn’t mean anything. The 2011 Giants had as many wins rushing for 30 carries as they had without rushing for 30 carries. Also you said they couldn’t run the ball 30 times a game in 2011, but they did it more than half their victories.

Eli was still top 10 in y/a in 2012


Maybe best to interact with someone else. The y/a went down a yard. But more than that you missed the most important element. The running game actually improved significantly. Rushing carries were up but the really big one is rypa went up from 3.3 to 4.5. If you don't think that has a monumental difference I don't know what to tell you. Had this not been the case the drop in y/a would have been significantly worse. The 2012 Nicks was not close to 2011 unfortunately. Don't worry the rypa again dropped again to 3.4 2013 coupled with the lowest carries of Eli era. Tough sledding with a finished Nicks at that point.
Is he declaring?  
Andy in Halifax : 11/30/2022 4:59 pm : link
I bet he'll go top 3 if he does.
And yet they didn’t make the playoffs  
ajr2456 : 11/30/2022 5:11 pm : link
Doesn’t put much weight behind your theory.

Let’s look at the 2013 Giants for example, they lost every game they ran for over 4 ypc, including one they ran 30 times for 202 yards for 6.7 yards per carry. They had multiple wins where they rushed for under 3 yards per carry. Almost like there’s no rhyme or reason to the theory.
RE: And yet they didn’t make the playoffs  
NYGgolfer : 11/30/2022 5:27 pm : link
In comment 15927486 ajr2456 said:
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Doesn’t put much weight behind your theory.

Let’s look at the 2013 Giants for example, they lost every game they ran for over 4 ypc, including one they ran 30 times for 202 yards for 6.7 yards per carry. They had multiple wins where they rushed for under 3 yards per carry. Almost like there’s no rhyme or reason to the theory.


The 30-carry theory works. Just have to include a never-ending list of exceptions and caveats to go with it.
RE: Is he declaring?  
bw in dc : 11/30/2022 5:39 pm : link
In comment 15927471 Andy in Halifax said:
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I bet he'll go top 3 if he does.


Unless some local Gainesville business(es) pony up some serious cash, which you can't dismiss, I think AR has an 80% chance right now of declaring.

Personally, I think he's definitely top 20 right now.
RE: RE: Is he declaring?  
Mike in NY : 11/30/2022 5:48 pm : link
In comment 15927505 bw in dc said:
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I bet he'll go top 3 if he does.



Unless some local Gainesville business(es) pony up some serious cash, which you can't dismiss, I think AR has an 80% chance right now of declaring.

Personally, I think he's definitely top 20 right now.


People said the same thing about Malik Willis even later in the process
RE: RE: Is he declaring?  
JB_in_DC : 11/30/2022 5:51 pm : link
In comment 15927505 bw in dc said:
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I bet he'll go top 3 if he does.



Unless some local Gainesville business(es) pony up some serious cash, which you can't dismiss, I think AR has an 80% chance right now of declaring.

Personally, I think he's definitely top 20 right now.


Yea - all it takes is one team to fall in love, and teams usually don't let a guy they have a 1st round grade on drop past middle first.
Reminds me of Steve McNair  
PatersonPlank : 11/30/2022 5:59 pm : link
although I think McNair was a little more polished coming out. Stats are comparable and so is their size. Whoever gets him will need a bridge for a year or two.
Also Richardson has had NFL eyes on him since high school  
ajr2456 : 11/30/2022 6:01 pm : link
He was the #9 QB in the country and went to the Elite 11 finals. Willis was an athlete that schools had to decide if he was a QB or not. That definitely helps in considering whether to take a swing on Richardson in the first vs where Willis went.
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ChrisRick : 11/30/2022 6:05 pm : link
I wasn't really comparing Willis and Richardson as players. The Willis remark was to the poster who said fans are afraid to take big swings on quarterbacks. There were fans here ready to take a big swing (top ten pick) on a player the NFL valued as a third round player.

I understand they are much different players. Really to me I don't think a player is a 'big swing' if most of the teams feel that player is worth a high pick regardless of how much their game needs work. A big swing to me is more about a player that only a few teams see as a high pick and use that high pick on that player.
RE: Also Richardson has had NFL eyes on him since high school  
bw in dc : 11/30/2022 6:06 pm : link
In comment 15927532 ajr2456 said:
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He was the #9 QB in the country and went to the Elite 11 finals. Willis was an athlete that schools had to decide if he was a QB or not. That definitely helps in considering whether to take a swing on Richardson in the first vs where Willis went.


That Elite 11 program is awesome. I think Dilfer still hosts it...?

Caleb Williams, I believe, killed it when he was there.

Do you know who is an interesting future QB prosect? Deion's kid - Shedeur Sander/Jax State.
Deion  
ChrisRick : 11/30/2022 6:08 pm : link
had two of his sons on this years team. The other one (Shilo Sanders) transferred from SC I believe
RE: RE: RE: Is he declaring?  
bw in dc : 11/30/2022 6:09 pm : link
In comment 15927514 Mike in NY said:
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Unless some local Gainesville business(es) pony up some serious cash, which you can't dismiss, I think AR has an 80% chance right now of declaring.

Personally, I think he's definitely top 20 right now.



People said the same thing about Malik Willis even later in the process


The difference is, IMV, the size of AR. He's 6'4, 235 and runs like an Elk and has an arm like de Grom.

BTW, you deserve credit for the Cam Ward call. I'm all in. ;)
RE: And yet they didn’t make the playoffs  
Lines of Scrimmage : 11/30/2022 6:17 pm : link
In comment 15927486 ajr2456 said:
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Doesn’t put much weight behind your theory.

Let’s look at the 2013 Giants for example, they lost every game they ran for over 4 ypc, including one they ran 30 times for 202 yards for 6.7 yards per carry. They had multiple wins where they rushed for under 3 yards per carry. Almost like there’s no rhyme or reason to the theory.


I never said they would win every game when those kinds of numbers. What I have said if you were to put up those those types of number you will win more games than not and that it will help the QB and pass game being in better situations. Most teams have a hard time having a good enough OL and upper tier WR group to overcome the lack of that support.

golfer. Got it. Any thing relevant to add? This guy googs
posts like you and interesting that you are a follower like him as well. He is gone for now but I guess reinforcements came in.
RE: Deion  
bw in dc : 11/30/2022 6:19 pm : link
In comment 15927538 ChrisRick said:
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had two of his sons on this years team. The other one (Shilo Sanders) transferred from SC I believe


Correct. He's a safety.
RE: RE: And yet they didn’t make the playoffs  
ajr2456 : 11/30/2022 6:20 pm : link
In comment 15927547 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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Doesn’t put much weight behind your theory.

Let’s look at the 2013 Giants for example, they lost every game they ran for over 4 ypc, including one they ran 30 times for 202 yards for 6.7 yards per carry. They had multiple wins where they rushed for under 3 yards per carry. Almost like there’s no rhyme or reason to the theory.



I never said they would win every game when those kinds of numbers. What I have said if you were to put up those those types of number you will win more games than not and that it will help the QB and pass game being in better situations. Most teams have a hard time having a good enough OL and upper tier WR group to overcome the lack of that support.

golfer. Got it. Any thing relevant to add? This guy googs
posts like you and interesting that you are a follower like him as well. He is gone for now but I guess reinforcements came in.


But they won none of those games in 2013. It’s either a lot of bad luck, or a theory that holds no weight
RE: RE: RE: And yet they didn’t make the playoffs  
NYGgolfer : 11/30/2022 6:27 pm : link
In comment 15927551 ajr2456 said:
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Doesn’t put much weight behind your theory.

Let’s look at the 2013 Giants for example, they lost every game they ran for over 4 ypc, including one they ran 30 times for 202 yards for 6.7 yards per carry. They had multiple wins where they rushed for under 3 yards per carry. Almost like there’s no rhyme or reason to the theory.



I never said they would win every game when those kinds of numbers. What I have said if you were to put up those those types of number you will win more games than not and that it will help the QB and pass game being in better situations. Most teams have a hard time having a good enough OL and upper tier WR group to overcome the lack of that support.

golfer. Got it. Any thing relevant to add? This guy googs
posts like you and interesting that you are a follower like him as well. He is gone for now but I guess reinforcements came in.



But they won none of those games in 2013. It’s either a lot of bad luck, or a theory that holds no weight


Bad luck is probably one of the caveats.
RE: RE: RE: And yet they didn’t make the playoffs  
Lines of Scrimmage : 11/30/2022 6:50 pm : link
In comment 15927551 ajr2456 said:
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Doesn’t put much weight behind your theory.

Let’s look at the 2013 Giants for example, they lost every game they ran for over 4 ypc, including one they ran 30 times for 202 yards for 6.7 yards per carry. They had multiple wins where they rushed for under 3 yards per carry. Almost like there’s no rhyme or reason to the theory.



I never said they would win every game when those kinds of numbers. What I have said if you were to put up those those types of number you will win more games than not and that it will help the QB and pass game being in better situations. Most teams have a hard time having a good enough OL and upper tier WR group to overcome the lack of that support.

golfer. Got it. Any thing relevant to add? This guy googs
posts like you and interesting that you are a follower like him as well. He is gone for now but I guess reinforcements came in.



But they won none of those games in 2013. It’s either a lot of bad luck, or a theory that holds no weight


Sorry ajr not interested. You should play with someone else. I rarely interject on your thoughts because most of the QB stuff I find foolish. You should do the same for me as well. I'm comfortable with where I stand and will continue to gain more insights from those who make good points and add and interact there. If you make more sense I will interject but I don't see any value here with us. You feel the same so let's leave it at that.

golfer. Yeah that follower trait again just like googs. Good thing you never spent time at a OCS program. Quick turnaround time for those types.
What QB stuff is foolish?  
ajr2456 : 11/30/2022 6:55 pm : link
I don’t think you’ve actually read either of the two active QB threads then.

If hard stats aren’t good points, not sure what are.
RE: RE: Also Richardson has had NFL eyes on him since high school  
ajr2456 : 11/30/2022 6:56 pm : link
In comment 15927536 bw in dc said:
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He was the #9 QB in the country and went to the Elite 11 finals. Willis was an athlete that schools had to decide if he was a QB or not. That definitely helps in considering whether to take a swing on Richardson in the first vs where Willis went.



That Elite 11 program is awesome. I think Dilfer still hosts it...?

Caleb Williams, I believe, killed it when he was there.

Do you know who is an interesting future QB prosect? Deion's kid - Shedeur Sander/Jax State.


I think Shedeur’s ceiling is a rich man’s Jacoby Brissett
RE: RE: RE: Also Richardson has had NFL eyes on him since high school  
bw in dc : 11/30/2022 7:01 pm : link
In comment 15927581 ajr2456 said:
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In comment 15927536 bw in dc said:




That Elite 11 program is awesome. I think Dilfer still hosts it...?

Caleb Williams, I believe, killed it when he was there.

Do you know who is an interesting future QB prosect? Deion's kid - Shedeur Sander/Jax State.



I think Shedeur’s ceiling is a rich man’s Jacoby Brissett


I've seen video online where he works out with Tom Brady. One of the benefits of having a Hall of Fame father... ;)

I'm not sure where I would place Sanders right now. But he certainly has an interesting pedigree.
I am not following you to be clear. Your 30 Carry Theory  
NYGgolfer : 11/30/2022 7:02 pm : link
just permeates through many threads on the site, and you seem to make many alliances as you throw it around.

And I didn't want to go the OCS route as I was too busy playing golf. Life choices.
How can you complain about DJ  
Carl in CT : 11/30/2022 7:07 pm : link
At 6.9 per attempt. But someone like Justin Herbert is last in the league at 6.5 but he gets a pass. Oh his receivers are hurt but his backups are better than DJ’s starters. Stop looking for negatives when the kid has played his ass off all year.
RE: I am not following you to be clear. Your 30 Carry Theory  
Lines of Scrimmage : 11/30/2022 7:16 pm : link
In comment 15927585 NYGgolfer said:
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just permeates through many threads on the site, and you seem to make many alliances as you throw it around.

And I didn't want to go the OCS route as I was too busy playing golf. Life choices.


Great choice.
RE: How can you complain about DJ  
ajr2456 : 11/30/2022 7:26 pm : link
In comment 15927590 Carl in CT said:
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At 6.9 per attempt. But someone like Justin Herbert is last in the league at 6.5 but he gets a pass. Oh his receivers are hurt but his backups are better than DJ’s starters. Stop looking for negatives when the kid has played his ass off all year.


Are they better though? Jones y/a is in line with his career average, Herbert’s previous two years were a yard better so its safe to say this year is an outlier for him. He’s also on pace for 4600 yards and 29 tds
RE: RE: How can you complain about DJ  
Lines of Scrimmage : 11/30/2022 7:37 pm : link
In comment 15927604 ajr2456 said:
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At 6.9 per attempt. But someone like Justin Herbert is last in the league at 6.5 but he gets a pass. Oh his receivers are hurt but his backups are better than DJ’s starters. Stop looking for negatives when the kid has played his ass off all year.



Are they better though? Jones y/a is in line with his career average, Herbert’s previous two years were a yard better so its safe to say this year is an outlier for him. He’s also on pace for 4600 yards and 29 tds


Or maybe conditions have changed for both and it is having a impact on both QB's. Nah, stats are stats regardless.
Jones never had a receiver  
Carl in CT : 11/30/2022 8:11 pm : link
Like Williams or Allen. We also have one of the worse YAC in the NFL which bring down Jones stats while the chargers have the second highest YAC. You are not a dumb individual. That would greatly help a QB’s stats when receivers take it to the house.
RE: How can you complain about DJ  
bw in dc : 11/30/2022 8:12 pm : link
In comment 15927590 Carl in CT said:
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At 6.9 per attempt. But someone like Justin Herbert is last in the league at 6.5 but he gets a pass. Oh his receivers are hurt but his backups are better than DJ’s starters. Stop looking for negatives when the kid has played his ass off all year.


On the other hand, Herbert is 8th in QBR, 5th in TD passes, 9th in completion%, 8th in INT%.

And in ANY/A, a more robust YPA stat, Herbert is 17th. Jones? 21st.
YTD...  
bw in dc : 11/30/2022 8:14 pm : link
Keenan Allen has played 4 games. Mike Williams has played 8, but that's really more like 6 because he didn't finish two of those games.
RE: In context  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/1/2022 8:06 am : link
In comment 15927126 Carl in CT said:
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Not a single quarterback this year who has started a game is less than 55% this year. (Includes Mr. Wilson of the jets). This is against pro defenses. With a ton of backups filtered in and you want to ask someone who never has had a 60% completion rate in college to be your QB? You think this board is negative about Jones (who never had players and is 65%) this kid will be abused day 1 and with hopefully a way better supporting cast.

Oh, Carl. You are leading with your face.

Cue the Josh Allen comparisons.
Maybe Richardson’s WRs  
ajr2456 : 12/1/2022 9:16 am : link
Aren’t good enough, or his oline or his coach. Gotta give him 5 years to really see what he can do.
Only saw a few AR games  
JonC : 12/1/2022 9:16 am : link
but he is mega raw, his decision-making is suspect, and he's scary bad at times. He should stay in school.
He's maybe the biggest boom/bust QB ever  
Jerry in_DC : 12/1/2022 9:33 am : link
Which makes sense considering his tools and the fact that he's probably played fewer college games than any 1st round QB ever.

His highlight reel will be awesome - fast and powerful runner, elusive in the pocket. Makes some outstanding throws - deep balls, very accurate difficult intermediate throws. His highs are exceptional. And its not like this has been a loaded roster or a brilliant passing scheme (2 coaches)

His lowlights reel will look awful. Some bad picks, throws you just can't make. Some really inaccurate throws on short passes (just the FSU game alone)

I'd imagine that there are some confident coaches that have their mouths watering to get their hands on him. And some GMs and less confident coaches that would be terrified to tie their success to him.
Richardson should stay in school another year  
Rick in Dallas : 12/1/2022 10:55 am : link
Tremendous physical talent but very questionable decision making skills
RE: Only saw a few AR games  
BigBlueShock : 12/1/2022 11:09 am : link
In comment 15927838 JonC said:
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but he is mega raw, his decision-making is suspect, and he's scary bad at times. He should stay in school.

If he’s expecting to go top 10 or even 1st round then there’s no way it makes sense to stay in school. He’s going to get better coaching at the NFL level than it appears he’s getting from the staff at Florida. If his advisers are told he’s not likely to go in the 1st round, sure go back
Yea I’m not sure staying in school  
ajr2456 : 12/1/2022 11:10 am : link
With the same coach as this year fixes his decision making.
RE: RE: RE: If he comes out  
allstarjim : 12/2/2022 1:06 pm : link
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he is going in round 1



Where in the first do you see him going? 20-30?



The floor would be 15th. I would bet money on him going top 10, possibly even QB 1 (AKA #1 overall)


I got a friendly $20 wager for you, Sy...that we see Richardson outside of the top 10. :)
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