I could see them making a move for AR, especially with Tyler Huntley still in the QB stable for them. Huntley could serve as a multi-year bridge for AR.
AR is going to have a big decision to make because Team AR is going to get strong feedback from both ends of the opinion spectrum:
Stay in school and continue working on your craft or you are a definitive first round talent and now is the time to pounce...
is immense with this kid. I think he's going to come out and then red shirt 2023. Not saying it would be here but it wouldn't be the end of the world to see the rest of the young talent develop next season (yes, with boring Tyrod Taylor) and then inserting a coached up AR.
No AR, way too many holes to fill to waste a draft pick on a qb
is immense with this kid. I think he's going to come out and then red shirt 2023. Not saying it would be here but it wouldn't be the end of the world to see the rest of the young talent develop next season (yes, with boring Tyrod Taylor) and then inserting a coached up AR.
Taylor can’t stay healthy and AR getting meaningful snaps in 2023 scares me. AR is elite at everything except actually playing the QB position.
With Mike. Richardson has a ways to go to be an nfl quarterback, too much risk for a first round pick in n my view. Stay in school and work on reading defenses, learning to throw the ball away
This is the view of one unnamed scout as described by a columnist who covers the Gators.
There are many dissenting opinions about Anthony Richardson with the majority suggesting that he is not ready for the NFL.
People always get intrigued by athleticism but it takes much more to become an NFL QB.
Look at Willis last year, there were pundits extolling his virtues and suggesting that he should be the first QB chosen.
He was not ready for prime time and neither is Richardson.
I hope that Richardson stays in school another year and works on his mechanics, reading defenses, improving his accuracy, learns to get the ball out quicker, and develops touch and placement. He makes some highlight plays but he is not consistent and has come up lacking this year.
I don't think you can look at his decision-making with the football and say, well that's a guy I want to bet on the physical profile with a first round pick.
Yes, the physical profile matters, and he is the prototype you want. But it's the lack of efficiency, the bad decision-making, there's too much negative there.
I know teams will take wild swings at hitting a homerun at QB, and often times will do so in the late first round range, so I guess anything is possible. But that would go to show a lot of teams are terrible at drafting.
I hope that Richardson stays in school another year and works on his mechanics, reading defenses, improving his accuracy, learns to get the ball out quicker, and develops touch and placement. He makes some highlight plays but he is not consistent and has come up lacking this year.
The only QB attributes that convey from college to the NFL are arm strength, speed, athleticism, size and work ethic.
Nobody has an idea if accuracy, decision making, leadership, acumen, etc will convey from college.
Then he's probably staying in school. These big QBs make more $$ in college than as 2nd round picks. Plus playing football at Florida is way more fun than sitting the bench in the NFL.
My feeling is that he'd almost definitely get picked in the 1st. The tools are outstanding. And he throws some really good, accurate, difficult passes.
He'd almost certainly sit for a year, but its not inconceivable that he could run the 2022 Giants or Falcons style offense as a rookie.
Sudden, fast, and effortlessly throws rockets. If he goes to the right place he’s going to be a big deal. He obviously has a ways to go though. I’m not against DJ but I’d bet Richardson is exactly what Daboll and Schoen want
Sudden, fast, and effortlessly throws rockets. If he goes to the right place he’s going to be a big deal. He obviously has a ways to go though. I’m not against DJ but I’d bet Richardson is exactly what Daboll and Schoen want
I see more Cam Newton, but with a much better throwing motion and better overall athleticism.
The floor would be 15th. I would bet money on him going top 10, possibly even QB 1 (AKA #1 overall)
Wow! That's stunning. The decisionmaking has been discussed, but I also see him whiff on a lot of pretty easy throws and by a lot. Is it inconsistent mechanics or lsoing focus with him?
Is a very good barometer for Richardson. The same "big time skill set" between the huge arms and athletic ability coupled with size but also similar warts coming out of college.
Allen went 7th overall after a team traded their LT to move up twice for him.
Richardson is going to be coveted despite Rob Sale's best effort to push him down to us...
RE: So many posters are horrified of swinging big at QB
I recall some posters wanting to 'swing big' and draft Malik Willis 5th overall last year.
Jury is still out on Willis. So, far too early to be throwing dirt on his grave.
Richardson is 6'4", 235. Much bigger than Willis.
I am not throwing dirt on Willis' grave. Drafting Willis at 5 would be a master misuse of resources no matter how he turns out, that was the point. There is a reason fans and teams are right to be wary about drafting a possible boom or bust player. And Richardson's size is irrelevant here.
RE: RE: RE: So many posters are horrified of swinging big at QB
If a team wants to use a first-round pick on him as a developmental prospect, like Malik Willis, they're welcome to it. I would not want the Giants to take him. I'd rather take Penix, Jefferson or Hooker on the second day. Better value.
think of him. Physically, wow. Missed throws could be either the QB or the WR making a wrong read. Just not sure he is mentally there for complex NFL offense and defense - lack of experience? The arm is stunningly good and he can move.
to making and executing a throw is not as easy as some may think. It is actually rare and less likely the more a QB has played in college and has not showed it.
Good thing is JS/BD have been through this and they saw it in Allen. Let's hope if they go this direction adding a QB they hit again. I have been saying a dual threat is in play. You can win with it in season. I still don't see closing the deal come playoffs and SB (w/o excelling in the picket) but it gives this regime time to strike again down the road if needed and allow for resources to be spent elsewhere. In the interim you can win and maybe you get lucky and that QB progresses.
RE: RE: RE: RE: So many posters are horrified of swinging big at QB
I recall some posters wanting to 'swing big' and draft Malik Willis 5th overall last year.
Jury is still out on Willis. So, far too early to be throwing dirt on his grave.
Richardson is 6'4", 235. Much bigger than Willis.
I am not throwing dirt on Willis' grave. Drafting Willis at 5 would be a master misuse of resources no matter how he turns out, that was the point. There is a reason fans and teams are right to be wary about drafting a possible boom or bust player. And Richardson's size is irrelevant here.
My bad. I misunderstood where you were going.
I was trying to distinguish why AR would be more enticing than Willis from an overall physical standpoint.
The parallels with Josh Allen and the Bills front office
Will make this a major discussion topic here for the next 6 months, I predict.
In retrospect, one of Allen’s real plus characteristics as a prospect were what was above his neck: he scored very well on the Wonderlic and has an engaging, positive personality.
Anyone have some knowledge about Richardson’s personality and smarts?
Likable guy. Comes from poverty. At 11:00, they talk about the NIL licensing, which Richardson has been pursuing aggressively. His family needs money- if he’s a first rounder, he’s coming out, I bet. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYsJSMUsO78 - ( New Window )
want to compare anyone with tools and accuracy issues to Allen, but IMO there Allen is not a comp for Richardson. Allen went to a small school so obvioulsy didn't getting the coaching necessary to improve and there were questions whether his accuracy issues were caused in part by thorwing to crap receivers.
Richardson has been getting top notch coaching and he hasn't improved one iota with his accuracy or decisionmaking and his receivers are head and shoulders better than what Allen was throwing to.
If he goes 1st round, he would be the biggest boom bust pick in recent memory
want to compare anyone with tools and accuracy issues to Allen, but IMO there Allen is not a comp for Richardson. Allen went to a small school so obvioulsy didn't getting the coaching necessary to improve and there were questions whether his accuracy issues were caused in part by thorwing to crap receivers.
Richardson has been getting top notch coaching and he hasn't improved one iota with his accuracy or decisionmaking and his receivers are head and shoulders better than what Allen was throwing to.
If he goes 1st round, he would be the biggest boom bust pick in recent memory
How do you know he’s been getting “top notch coaching”? Florida has been absolutely dreadful this season. Watching them play, top notch coaching isn’t exactly the first thing that pops into my head…
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: So many posters are horrified of swinging big at QB
I recall some posters wanting to 'swing big' and draft Malik Willis 5th overall last year.
Jury is still out on Willis. So, far too early to be throwing dirt on his grave.
Richardson is 6'4", 235. Much bigger than Willis.
I am not throwing dirt on Willis' grave. Drafting Willis at 5 would be a master misuse of resources no matter how he turns out, that was the point. There is a reason fans and teams are right to be wary about drafting a possible boom or bust player. And Richardson's size is irrelevant here.
My bad. I misunderstood where you were going.
I was trying to distinguish why AR would be more enticing than Willis from an overall physical standpoint.
All good. Maybe I just was not clear enough, that would not be totally unusual.
want to compare anyone with tools and accuracy issues to Allen, but IMO there Allen is not a comp for Richardson. Allen went to a small school so obvioulsy didn't getting the coaching necessary to improve and there were questions whether his accuracy issues were caused in part by thorwing to crap receivers.
Richardson has been getting top notch coaching and he hasn't improved one iota with his accuracy or decisionmaking and his receivers are head and shoulders better than what Allen was throwing to.
If he goes 1st round, he would be the biggest boom bust pick in recent memory
How do you know he’s been getting “top notch coaching”? Florida has been absolutely dreadful this season. Watching them play, top notch coaching isn’t exactly the first thing that pops into my head…
Yeah, UF hasn't been exactly tearing it up in the last decade.
for a bit. He is well regarding as a QB and offensive coach. He had both Tebow and Dak. So its not like he was with some D minded HC who put together a crap O staff.
There is zero doubt AR has plus-plus physical tools.
The questions about his decision making and fundamentals are legitimate.
But if he's coachable and willing to do the work necessary to maximize his potential, he's clearly a top prospect. The learning curve may be longer, but the dividend could be huge.
want to compare anyone with tools and accuracy issues to Allen, but IMO there Allen is not a comp for Richardson. Allen went to a small school so obvioulsy didn't getting the coaching necessary to improve and there were questions whether his accuracy issues were caused in part by thorwing to crap receivers.
Richardson has been getting top notch coaching and he hasn't improved one iota with his accuracy or decisionmaking and his receivers are head and shoulders better than what Allen was throwing to.
If he goes 1st round, he would be the biggest boom bust pick in recent memory
How do you know he’s been getting “top notch coaching”? Florida has been absolutely dreadful this season. Watching them play, top notch coaching isn’t exactly the first thing that pops into my head…
Yeah, UF hasn't been exactly tearing it up in the last decade.
I should have been clearer. I meant top notch relative to Wentz. I realize ND State is an excellent program relative to the level it was playing, but the difference between the instruction at a D! program in a power conference and ND State has to be significant
There is zero doubt AR has plus-plus physical tools.
The questions about his decision making and fundamentals are legitimate.
But if he's coachable and willing to do the work necessary to maximize his potential, he's clearly a top prospect. The learning curve may be longer, but the dividend could be huge.
Yes, agree.
And to those other points related to Richardson, Florida clearly has had some very talented offensive players roll thru there. But wouldn't suggest UF is any top-notch program of developing that talent further. At least not so noticeable to use that as a dig against AR.
ND State in 2014 was Klieman’s first head coaching job and now he has Kansas State as a top 10 team playing for a Big 10 title. Wentz might have gotten better coaching than most of his counterparts, his coach just hadn’t gotten his opportunity at the next level yet.
Craig Bohl and Josh Allen might be similar, he might be better than Napier but is comfortable at Wyoming.
Is not perfectly efficient, especially when it comes to player development. Moving up the coaching ladder involves a lot of ambition, networking, and other factors beyond player development (ie recruiting).
I guarantee that there are FCS schools that are way better at passing game development than some power 5 schools.
On aggregate, it's probably true that the bigger program has the better coaches, but its far from certain on a case by case basis
Dan Mullen was Richarsons coach for 2 years. Dan Mullen was Dak Prescotts coach at MSU. Based on his college performance (ie Mullens coaching) Dak was drafted in the 4th round. He'd probably be a top 5 pick in a redraft.
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Just sharing an informative article. Don’t get your panties in a bunch
AR is going to have a big decision to make because Team AR is going to get strong feedback from both ends of the opinion spectrum:
Stay in school and continue working on your craft or you are a definitive first round talent and now is the time to pounce...
Who?
Taylor can’t stay healthy and AR getting meaningful snaps in 2023 scares me. AR is elite at everything except actually playing the QB position.
There are many dissenting opinions about Anthony Richardson with the majority suggesting that he is not ready for the NFL.
People always get intrigued by athleticism but it takes much more to become an NFL QB.
Look at Willis last year, there were pundits extolling his virtues and suggesting that he should be the first QB chosen.
He was not ready for prime time and neither is Richardson.
I hope that Richardson stays in school another year and works on his mechanics, reading defenses, improving his accuracy, learns to get the ball out quicker, and develops touch and placement. He makes some highlight plays but he is not consistent and has come up lacking this year.
It would shock me if he goes in the first.
I don't think you can look at his decision-making with the football and say, well that's a guy I want to bet on the physical profile with a first round pick.
Yes, the physical profile matters, and he is the prototype you want. But it's the lack of efficiency, the bad decision-making, there's too much negative there.
I know teams will take wild swings at hitting a homerun at QB, and often times will do so in the late first round range, so I guess anything is possible. But that would go to show a lot of teams are terrible at drafting.
I hope that Richardson stays in school another year and works on his mechanics, reading defenses, improving his accuracy, learns to get the ball out quicker, and develops touch and placement. He makes some highlight plays but he is not consistent and has come up lacking this year.
The only QB attributes that convey from college to the NFL are arm strength, speed, athleticism, size and work ethic.
Nobody has an idea if accuracy, decision making, leadership, acumen, etc will convey from college.
My feeling is that he'd almost definitely get picked in the 1st. The tools are outstanding. And he throws some really good, accurate, difficult passes.
He'd almost certainly sit for a year, but its not inconceivable that he could run the 2022 Giants or Falcons style offense as a rookie.
Where in the first do you see him going? 20-30?
I see more Cam Newton, but with a much better throwing motion and better overall athleticism.
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Where in the first do you see him going? 20-30?
The floor would be 15th. I would bet money on him going top 10, possibly even QB 1 (AKA #1 overall)
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he is going in round 1
Where in the first do you see him going? 20-30?
The floor would be 15th. I would bet money on him going top 10, possibly even QB 1 (AKA #1 overall)
Wow! That's stunning. The decisionmaking has been discussed, but I also see him whiff on a lot of pretty easy throws and by a lot. Is it inconsistent mechanics or lsoing focus with him?
Thanks
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he is going in round 1
Where in the first do you see him going? 20-30?
The floor would be 15th. I would bet money on him going top 10, possibly even QB 1 (AKA #1 overall)
Thanks for you responses Sy. How do you value Richardson? Is it much different than how NFL teams will value him if he comes out this year?
Allen went 7th overall after a team traded their LT to move up twice for him.
Richardson is going to be coveted despite Rob Sale's best effort to push him down to us...
I recall some posters wanting to 'swing big' and draft Malik Willis 5th overall last year.
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I recall some posters wanting to 'swing big' and draft Malik Willis 5th overall last year.
Jury is still out on Willis. So, far too early to be throwing dirt on his grave.
Richardson is 6'4", 235. Much bigger than Willis.
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I recall some posters wanting to 'swing big' and draft Malik Willis 5th overall last year.
Jury is still out on Willis. So, far too early to be throwing dirt on his grave.
Richardson is 6'4", 235. Much bigger than Willis.
I am not throwing dirt on Willis' grave. Drafting Willis at 5 would be a master misuse of resources no matter how he turns out, that was the point. There is a reason fans and teams are right to be wary about drafting a possible boom or bust player. And Richardson's size is irrelevant here.
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I recall some posters wanting to 'swing big' and draft Malik Willis 5th overall last year.
Jury is still out on Willis. So, far too early to be throwing dirt on his grave.
Richardson is 6'4", 235. Much bigger than Willis.
He also played in the SEC against very high level competition. Willis didn't, nor did Josh Allen.
If his floor is 15th, he is coming out.
Good thing is JS/BD have been through this and they saw it in Allen. Let's hope if they go this direction adding a QB they hit again. I have been saying a dual threat is in play. You can win with it in season. I still don't see closing the deal come playoffs and SB (w/o excelling in the picket) but it gives this regime time to strike again down the road if needed and allow for resources to be spent elsewhere. In the interim you can win and maybe you get lucky and that QB progresses.
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I recall some posters wanting to 'swing big' and draft Malik Willis 5th overall last year.
Jury is still out on Willis. So, far too early to be throwing dirt on his grave.
Richardson is 6'4", 235. Much bigger than Willis.
I am not throwing dirt on Willis' grave. Drafting Willis at 5 would be a master misuse of resources no matter how he turns out, that was the point. There is a reason fans and teams are right to be wary about drafting a possible boom or bust player. And Richardson's size is irrelevant here.
My bad. I misunderstood where you were going.
I was trying to distinguish why AR would be more enticing than Willis from an overall physical standpoint.
In retrospect, one of Allen’s real plus characteristics as a prospect were what was above his neck: he scored very well on the Wonderlic and has an engaging, positive personality.
Anyone have some knowledge about Richardson’s personality and smarts?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYsJSMUsO78 - ( New Window )
Richardson has been getting top notch coaching and he hasn't improved one iota with his accuracy or decisionmaking and his receivers are head and shoulders better than what Allen was throwing to.
If he goes 1st round, he would be the biggest boom bust pick in recent memory
Richardson has been getting top notch coaching and he hasn't improved one iota with his accuracy or decisionmaking and his receivers are head and shoulders better than what Allen was throwing to.
If he goes 1st round, he would be the biggest boom bust pick in recent memory
How do you know he’s been getting “top notch coaching”? Florida has been absolutely dreadful this season. Watching them play, top notch coaching isn’t exactly the first thing that pops into my head…
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I recall some posters wanting to 'swing big' and draft Malik Willis 5th overall last year.
Jury is still out on Willis. So, far too early to be throwing dirt on his grave.
Richardson is 6'4", 235. Much bigger than Willis.
I am not throwing dirt on Willis' grave. Drafting Willis at 5 would be a master misuse of resources no matter how he turns out, that was the point. There is a reason fans and teams are right to be wary about drafting a possible boom or bust player. And Richardson's size is irrelevant here.
My bad. I misunderstood where you were going.
I was trying to distinguish why AR would be more enticing than Willis from an overall physical standpoint.
All good. Maybe I just was not clear enough, that would not be totally unusual.
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want to compare anyone with tools and accuracy issues to Allen, but IMO there Allen is not a comp for Richardson. Allen went to a small school so obvioulsy didn't getting the coaching necessary to improve and there were questions whether his accuracy issues were caused in part by thorwing to crap receivers.
Richardson has been getting top notch coaching and he hasn't improved one iota with his accuracy or decisionmaking and his receivers are head and shoulders better than what Allen was throwing to.
If he goes 1st round, he would be the biggest boom bust pick in recent memory
How do you know he’s been getting “top notch coaching”? Florida has been absolutely dreadful this season. Watching them play, top notch coaching isn’t exactly the first thing that pops into my head…
Yeah, UF hasn't been exactly tearing it up in the last decade.
Do we think that highly of Billy Napier and his staff?
There is zero doubt AR has plus-plus physical tools.
The questions about his decision making and fundamentals are legitimate.
But if he's coachable and willing to do the work necessary to maximize his potential, he's clearly a top prospect. The learning curve may be longer, but the dividend could be huge.
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want to compare anyone with tools and accuracy issues to Allen, but IMO there Allen is not a comp for Richardson. Allen went to a small school so obvioulsy didn't getting the coaching necessary to improve and there were questions whether his accuracy issues were caused in part by thorwing to crap receivers.
Richardson has been getting top notch coaching and he hasn't improved one iota with his accuracy or decisionmaking and his receivers are head and shoulders better than what Allen was throwing to.
If he goes 1st round, he would be the biggest boom bust pick in recent memory
How do you know he’s been getting “top notch coaching”? Florida has been absolutely dreadful this season. Watching them play, top notch coaching isn’t exactly the first thing that pops into my head…
Yeah, UF hasn't been exactly tearing it up in the last decade.
I should have been clearer. I meant top notch relative to Wentz. I realize ND State is an excellent program relative to the level it was playing, but the difference between the instruction at a D! program in a power conference and ND State has to be significant
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Has too many + attributes not to be.
There is zero doubt AR has plus-plus physical tools.
The questions about his decision making and fundamentals are legitimate.
But if he's coachable and willing to do the work necessary to maximize his potential, he's clearly a top prospect. The learning curve may be longer, but the dividend could be huge.
Yes, agree.
And to those other points related to Richardson, Florida clearly has had some very talented offensive players roll thru there. But wouldn't suggest UF is any top-notch program of developing that talent further. At least not so noticeable to use that as a dig against AR.
Craig Bohl and Josh Allen might be similar, he might be better than Napier but is comfortable at Wyoming.
I guarantee that there are FCS schools that are way better at passing game development than some power 5 schools.
On aggregate, it's probably true that the bigger program has the better coaches, but its far from certain on a case by case basis