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ajr2456 : 11/29/2022 4:55 pm
One scout calls him a no brainer first rounder
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The excerpt since it’s a paywall  
ajr2456 : 11/29/2022 4:56 pm : link
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kewl story  
dancing blue bear : 11/29/2022 5:06 pm : link
bro.
RE: kewl story  
ajr2456 : 11/29/2022 5:09 pm : link
In comment 15926678 dancing blue bear said:
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bro.


Just sharing an informative article. Don’t get your panties in a bunch
Thanks  
AcidTest : 11/29/2022 5:09 pm : link
for the story.
If the Ravens decide to let LJax walk...  
bw in dc : 11/29/2022 5:16 pm : link
I could see them making a move for AR, especially with Tyler Huntley still in the QB stable for them. Huntley could serve as a multi-year bridge for AR.

AR is going to have a big decision to make because Team AR is going to get strong feedback from both ends of the opinion spectrum:

Stay in school and continue working on your craft or you are a definitive first round talent and now is the time to pounce...
From what I heard  
ajr2456 : 11/29/2022 5:22 pm : link
He’s leaning toward leaving
Upside  
DanMetroMan : 11/29/2022 5:22 pm : link
is immense with this kid. I think he's going to come out and then red shirt 2023. Not saying it would be here but it wouldn't be the end of the world to see the rest of the young talent develop next season (yes, with boring Tyrod Taylor) and then inserting a coached up AR.
No AR, way too many holes to fill to waste a draft pick on a qb  
Jack Stroud : 11/29/2022 5:35 pm : link
when the Giants already have a good, young qb.
RE: No AR, way too many holes to fill to waste a draft pick on a qb  
ajr2456 : 11/29/2022 5:37 pm : link
In comment 15926705 Jack Stroud said:
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when the Giants already have a good, young qb.


Who?
RE: Upside  
Mike in NY : 11/29/2022 5:42 pm : link
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is immense with this kid. I think he's going to come out and then red shirt 2023. Not saying it would be here but it wouldn't be the end of the world to see the rest of the young talent develop next season (yes, with boring Tyrod Taylor) and then inserting a coached up AR.


Taylor can’t stay healthy and AR getting meaningful snaps in 2023 scares me. AR is elite at everything except actually playing the QB position.
Agree  
ChrisRick : 11/29/2022 5:46 pm : link
With Mike. Richardson has a ways to go to be an nfl quarterback, too much risk for a first round pick in n my view. Stay in school and work on reading defenses, learning to throw the ball away
If he’s there in the second round I’d  
ajr2456 : 11/29/2022 5:50 pm : link
Consider the selection. Not sure id use a first rounder unless something changes drastically between now and the combine
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ChrisRick : 11/29/2022 5:53 pm : link
Aj, I agree. A second would be tempting.
And I think even though teams see him as a no brainer  
ajr2456 : 11/29/2022 5:54 pm : link
First round talent; nobody actually pulls the trigger round 1. I could be wrong but I don’t see a QB needy team making that move.
NFL view of AR  
Archer : 11/29/2022 5:57 pm : link
This is the view of one unnamed scout as described by a columnist who covers the Gators.

There are many dissenting opinions about Anthony Richardson with the majority suggesting that he is not ready for the NFL.

People always get intrigued by athleticism but it takes much more to become an NFL QB.

Look at Willis last year, there were pundits extolling his virtues and suggesting that he should be the first QB chosen.

He was not ready for prime time and neither is Richardson.

I hope that Richardson stays in school another year and works on his mechanics, reading defenses, improving his accuracy, learns to get the ball out quicker, and develops touch and placement. He makes some highlight plays but he is not consistent and has come up lacking this year.


I just posted in the other Richardson thread  
allstarjim : 11/29/2022 5:57 pm : link
from a day or two ago.

It would shock me if he goes in the first.

I don't think you can look at his decision-making with the football and say, well that's a guy I want to bet on the physical profile with a first round pick.

Yes, the physical profile matters, and he is the prototype you want. But it's the lack of efficiency, the bad decision-making, there's too much negative there.

I know teams will take wild swings at hitting a homerun at QB, and often times will do so in the late first round range, so I guess anything is possible. But that would go to show a lot of teams are terrible at drafting.

RE: NFL view of AR  
bw in dc : 11/29/2022 6:25 pm : link
In comment 15926728 Archer said:
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I hope that Richardson stays in school another year and works on his mechanics, reading defenses, improving his accuracy, learns to get the ball out quicker, and develops touch and placement. He makes some highlight plays but he is not consistent and has come up lacking this year.



The only QB attributes that convey from college to the NFL are arm strength, speed, athleticism, size and work ethic.

Nobody has an idea if accuracy, decision making, leadership, acumen, etc will convey from college.

If he's not slated to go in the 1st  
Jerry in_DC : 11/29/2022 8:17 pm : link
Then he's probably staying in school. These big QBs make more $$ in college than as 2nd round picks. Plus playing football at Florida is way more fun than sitting the bench in the NFL.

My feeling is that he'd almost definitely get picked in the 1st. The tools are outstanding. And he throws some really good, accurate, difficult passes.

He'd almost certainly sit for a year, but its not inconceivable that he could run the 2022 Giants or Falcons style offense as a rookie.
If he comes out  
Sy'56 : 11/29/2022 8:18 pm : link
he is going in round 1
He's a larger Lamar Jackson  
Jint Fan in Buc Land : 11/29/2022 8:24 pm : link
Sudden, fast, and effortlessly throws rockets. If he goes to the right place he’s going to be a big deal. He obviously has a ways to go though. I’m not against DJ but I’d bet Richardson is exactly what Daboll and Schoen want
RE: If he comes out  
ajr2456 : 11/29/2022 8:27 pm : link
In comment 15926822 Sy'56 said:
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he is going in round 1


Where in the first do you see him going? 20-30?
RE: He's a larger Lamar Jackson  
bw in dc : 11/29/2022 8:41 pm : link
In comment 15926828 Jint Fan in Buc Land said:
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Sudden, fast, and effortlessly throws rockets. If he goes to the right place he’s going to be a big deal. He obviously has a ways to go though. I’m not against DJ but I’d bet Richardson is exactly what Daboll and Schoen want


I see more Cam Newton, but with a much better throwing motion and better overall athleticism.
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Sy'56 : 11/30/2022 7:23 am : link
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he is going in round 1



Where in the first do you see him going? 20-30?


The floor would be 15th. I would bet money on him going top 10, possibly even QB 1 (AKA #1 overall)
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Sean : 11/30/2022 7:46 am : link
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Now Mike in MD : 11/30/2022 7:47 am : link
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he is going in round 1



Where in the first do you see him going? 20-30?



The floor would be 15th. I would bet money on him going top 10, possibly even QB 1 (AKA #1 overall)


Wow! That's stunning. The decisionmaking has been discussed, but I also see him whiff on a lot of pretty easy throws and by a lot. Is it inconsistent mechanics or lsoing focus with him?

Thanks
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ChrisRick : 11/30/2022 7:53 am : link
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he is going in round 1



Where in the first do you see him going? 20-30?



The floor would be 15th. I would bet money on him going top 10, possibly even QB 1 (AKA #1 overall)


Thanks for you responses Sy. How do you value Richardson? Is it much different than how NFL teams will value him if he comes out this year?
Josh Allen  
Biteymax22 : 11/30/2022 7:56 am : link
Is a very good barometer for Richardson. The same "big time skill set" between the huge arms and athletic ability coupled with size but also similar warts coming out of college.

Allen went 7th overall after a team traded their LT to move up twice for him.

Richardson is going to be coveted despite Rob Sale's best effort to push him down to us...
RE: So many posters are horrified of swinging big at QB  
ChrisRick : 11/30/2022 7:57 am : link
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I recall some posters wanting to 'swing big' and draft Malik Willis 5th overall last year.
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bw in dc : 11/30/2022 8:01 am : link
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I recall some posters wanting to 'swing big' and draft Malik Willis 5th overall last year.


Jury is still out on Willis. So, far too early to be throwing dirt on his grave.

Richardson is 6'4", 235. Much bigger than Willis.
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ChrisRick : 11/30/2022 8:05 am : link
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I recall some posters wanting to 'swing big' and draft Malik Willis 5th overall last year.



Jury is still out on Willis. So, far too early to be throwing dirt on his grave.

Richardson is 6'4", 235. Much bigger than Willis.


I am not throwing dirt on Willis' grave. Drafting Willis at 5 would be a master misuse of resources no matter how he turns out, that was the point. There is a reason fans and teams are right to be wary about drafting a possible boom or bust player. And Richardson's size is irrelevant here.
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Biteymax22 : 11/30/2022 8:05 am : link
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I recall some posters wanting to 'swing big' and draft Malik Willis 5th overall last year.



Jury is still out on Willis. So, far too early to be throwing dirt on his grave.

Richardson is 6'4", 235. Much bigger than Willis.


He also played in the SEC against very high level competition. Willis didn't, nor did Josh Allen.
Not ready  
jeff57 : 11/30/2022 8:05 am : link
If a team wants to use a first-round pick on him as a developmental prospect, like Malik Willis, they're welcome to it. I would not want the Giants to take him. I'd rather take Penix, Jefferson or Hooker on the second day. Better value.
I do not know what to  
section125 : 11/30/2022 8:06 am : link
think of him. Physically, wow. Missed throws could be either the QB or the WR making a wrong read. Just not sure he is mentally there for complex NFL offense and defense - lack of experience? The arm is stunningly good and he can move.

If his floor is 15th, he is coming out.
Getting it with the processing  
Lines of Scrimmage : 11/30/2022 8:10 am : link
to making and executing a throw is not as easy as some may think. It is actually rare and less likely the more a QB has played in college and has not showed it.

Good thing is JS/BD have been through this and they saw it in Allen. Let's hope if they go this direction adding a QB they hit again. I have been saying a dual threat is in play. You can win with it in season. I still don't see closing the deal come playoffs and SB (w/o excelling in the picket) but it gives this regime time to strike again down the road if needed and allow for resources to be spent elsewhere. In the interim you can win and maybe you get lucky and that QB progresses.
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bw in dc : 11/30/2022 8:18 am : link
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I recall some posters wanting to 'swing big' and draft Malik Willis 5th overall last year.



Jury is still out on Willis. So, far too early to be throwing dirt on his grave.

Richardson is 6'4", 235. Much bigger than Willis.



I am not throwing dirt on Willis' grave. Drafting Willis at 5 would be a master misuse of resources no matter how he turns out, that was the point. There is a reason fans and teams are right to be wary about drafting a possible boom or bust player. And Richardson's size is irrelevant here.


My bad. I misunderstood where you were going.

I was trying to distinguish why AR would be more enticing than Willis from an overall physical standpoint.
The parallels with Josh Allen and the Bills front office  
cosmicj : 11/30/2022 8:35 am : link
Will make this a major discussion topic here for the next 6 months, I predict.

In retrospect, one of Allen’s real plus characteristics as a prospect were what was above his neck: he scored very well on the Wonderlic and has an engaging, positive personality.

Anyone have some knowledge about Richardson’s personality and smarts?
Long interview in the gym with Richardson  
cosmicj : 11/30/2022 8:44 am : link
Likable guy. Comes from poverty. At 11:00, they talk about the NIL licensing, which Richardson has been pursuing aggressively. His family needs money- if he’s a first rounder, he’s coming out, I bet.
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I feel like people  
Now Mike in MD : 11/30/2022 8:54 am : link
want to compare anyone with tools and accuracy issues to Allen, but IMO there Allen is not a comp for Richardson. Allen went to a small school so obvioulsy didn't getting the coaching necessary to improve and there were questions whether his accuracy issues were caused in part by thorwing to crap receivers.

Richardson has been getting top notch coaching and he hasn't improved one iota with his accuracy or decisionmaking and his receivers are head and shoulders better than what Allen was throwing to.

If he goes 1st round, he would be the biggest boom bust pick in recent memory
Clear-cut first round pick  
NYGgolfer : 11/30/2022 8:57 am : link
Has too many + attributes not to be.
RE: I feel like people  
BigBlueShock : 11/30/2022 8:57 am : link
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want to compare anyone with tools and accuracy issues to Allen, but IMO there Allen is not a comp for Richardson. Allen went to a small school so obvioulsy didn't getting the coaching necessary to improve and there were questions whether his accuracy issues were caused in part by thorwing to crap receivers.

Richardson has been getting top notch coaching and he hasn't improved one iota with his accuracy or decisionmaking and his receivers are head and shoulders better than what Allen was throwing to.

If he goes 1st round, he would be the biggest boom bust pick in recent memory

How do you know he’s been getting “top notch coaching”? Florida has been absolutely dreadful this season. Watching them play, top notch coaching isn’t exactly the first thing that pops into my head…
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ChrisRick : 11/30/2022 9:05 am : link
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I recall some posters wanting to 'swing big' and draft Malik Willis 5th overall last year.



Jury is still out on Willis. So, far too early to be throwing dirt on his grave.

Richardson is 6'4", 235. Much bigger than Willis.



I am not throwing dirt on Willis' grave. Drafting Willis at 5 would be a master misuse of resources no matter how he turns out, that was the point. There is a reason fans and teams are right to be wary about drafting a possible boom or bust player. And Richardson's size is irrelevant here.



My bad. I misunderstood where you were going.

I was trying to distinguish why AR would be more enticing than Willis from an overall physical standpoint.


All good. Maybe I just was not clear enough, that would not be totally unusual.
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section125 : 11/30/2022 9:13 am : link
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want to compare anyone with tools and accuracy issues to Allen, but IMO there Allen is not a comp for Richardson. Allen went to a small school so obvioulsy didn't getting the coaching necessary to improve and there were questions whether his accuracy issues were caused in part by thorwing to crap receivers.

Richardson has been getting top notch coaching and he hasn't improved one iota with his accuracy or decisionmaking and his receivers are head and shoulders better than what Allen was throwing to.

If he goes 1st round, he would be the biggest boom bust pick in recent memory


How do you know he’s been getting “top notch coaching”? Florida has been absolutely dreadful this season. Watching them play, top notch coaching isn’t exactly the first thing that pops into my head…


Yeah, UF hasn't been exactly tearing it up in the last decade.
Agree with BBS...  
bw in dc : 11/30/2022 9:17 am : link
Why is it assumed AR is getting great coaching at UF?

Do we think that highly of Billy Napier and his staff?
Richardson did have Mullen  
Lines of Scrimmage : 11/30/2022 9:19 am : link
for a bit. He is well regarding as a QB and offensive coach. He had both Tebow and Dak. So its not like he was with some D minded HC who put together a crap O staff.
RE: Clear-cut first round pick  
bw in dc : 11/30/2022 9:22 am : link
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Has too many + attributes not to be.


There is zero doubt AR has plus-plus physical tools.

The questions about his decision making and fundamentals are legitimate.

But if he's coachable and willing to do the work necessary to maximize his potential, he's clearly a top prospect. The learning curve may be longer, but the dividend could be huge.
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Now Mike in MD : 11/30/2022 9:53 am : link
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want to compare anyone with tools and accuracy issues to Allen, but IMO there Allen is not a comp for Richardson. Allen went to a small school so obvioulsy didn't getting the coaching necessary to improve and there were questions whether his accuracy issues were caused in part by thorwing to crap receivers.

Richardson has been getting top notch coaching and he hasn't improved one iota with his accuracy or decisionmaking and his receivers are head and shoulders better than what Allen was throwing to.

If he goes 1st round, he would be the biggest boom bust pick in recent memory


How do you know he’s been getting “top notch coaching”? Florida has been absolutely dreadful this season. Watching them play, top notch coaching isn’t exactly the first thing that pops into my head…



Yeah, UF hasn't been exactly tearing it up in the last decade.


I should have been clearer. I meant top notch relative to Wentz. I realize ND State is an excellent program relative to the level it was playing, but the difference between the instruction at a D! program in a power conference and ND State has to be significant
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NYGgolfer : 11/30/2022 10:03 am : link
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Has too many + attributes not to be.



There is zero doubt AR has plus-plus physical tools.

The questions about his decision making and fundamentals are legitimate.

But if he's coachable and willing to do the work necessary to maximize his potential, he's clearly a top prospect. The learning curve may be longer, but the dividend could be huge.


Yes, agree.

And to those other points related to Richardson, Florida clearly has had some very talented offensive players roll thru there. But wouldn't suggest UF is any top-notch program of developing that talent further. At least not so noticeable to use that as a dig against AR.
Not sure that’s entirely true though  
ajr2456 : 11/30/2022 10:04 am : link
ND State in 2014 was Klieman’s first head coaching job and now he has Kansas State as a top 10 team playing for a Big 10 title. Wentz might have gotten better coaching than most of his counterparts, his coach just hadn’t gotten his opportunity at the next level yet.

Craig Bohl and Josh Allen might be similar, he might be better than Napier but is comfortable at Wyoming.
The coaching market  
Jerry in_DC : 11/30/2022 10:08 am : link
Is not perfectly efficient, especially when it comes to player development. Moving up the coaching ladder involves a lot of ambition, networking, and other factors beyond player development (ie recruiting).

I guarantee that there are FCS schools that are way better at passing game development than some power 5 schools.

On aggregate, it's probably true that the bigger program has the better coaches, but its far from certain on a case by case basis

And just as a specific example,  
Jerry in_DC : 11/30/2022 10:12 am : link
Dan Mullen was Richarsons coach for 2 years. Dan Mullen was Dak Prescotts coach at MSU. Based on his college performance (ie Mullens coaching) Dak was drafted in the 4th round. He'd probably be a top 5 pick in a redraft.
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