Is not perfectly efficient, especially when it comes to player development. Moving up the coaching ladder involves a lot of ambition, networking, and other factors beyond player development (ie recruiting).
I guarantee that there are FCS schools that are way better at passing game development than some power 5 schools.
On aggregate, it's probably true that the bigger program has the better coaches, but its far from certain on a case by case basis
Memphis isn’t as small as ND State, but the previous FSU staffs didn’t trust Jordan Travis as a passer and Norvell has turned him into a pretty solid passer. Development in college is sometimes about right place, right time.
but can someone explain these stats to me? He has 9 TDs and 7 picks with a 55.7% comp pct. I can see he's big and fast, is he accurate? Making good decisions in tough situations?
ND State in 2014 was Klieman’s first head coaching job and now he has Kansas State as a top 10 team playing for a Big 10 title. Wentz might have gotten better coaching than most of his counterparts, his coach just hadn’t gotten his opportunity at the next level yet.
Craig Bohl and Josh Allen might be similar, he might be better than Napier but is comfortable at Wyoming.
Ironically enough, Bohl was Wentz's HC at NDST for at least two years...I believe.
ND State in 2014 was Klieman’s first head coaching job and now he has Kansas State as a top 10 team playing for a Big 10 title. Wentz might have gotten better coaching than most of his counterparts, his coach just hadn’t gotten his opportunity at the next level yet.
Craig Bohl and Josh Allen might be similar, he might be better than Napier but is comfortable at Wyoming.
Ironically enough, Bohl was Wentz's HC at NDST for at least two years...I believe.
Not a single quarterback this year who has started a game is less than 55% this year. (Includes Mr. Wilson of the jets). This is against pro defenses. With a ton of backups filtered in and you want to ask someone who never has had a 60% completion rate in college to be your QB? You think this board is negative about Jones (who never had players and is 65%) this kid will be abused day 1 and with hopefully a way better supporting cast.
Not a single quarterback this year who has started a game is less than 55% this year. (Includes Mr. Wilson of the jets). This is against pro defenses. With a ton of backups filtered in and you want to ask someone who never has had a 60% completion rate in college to be your QB? You think this board is negative about Jones (who never had players and is 65%) this kid will be abused day 1 and with hopefully a way better supporting cast.
Jones Y/A is 6.9. Are we really propping up his completion percentage which is filled with dink and dunk passes underneath? Come on. The standard has to be higher.
The Giants haven’t scored 30 points for 39 straight games.
but can someone explain these stats to me? He has 9 TDs and 7 picks with a 55.7% comp pct. I can see he's big and fast, is he accurate? Making good decisions in tough situations?
He has 17 tds and 9 picks. He’s been volatile but he was really good against Tennessee and was good against LSU.
Not a single quarterback this year who has started a game is less than 55% this year. (Includes Mr. Wilson of the jets). This is against pro defenses. With a ton of backups filtered in and you want to ask someone who never has had a 60% completion rate in college to be your QB? You think this board is negative about Jones (who never had players and is 65%) this kid will be abused day 1 and with hopefully a way better supporting cast.
This is what Im trying to understand, is it purely traits? I get the Josh Allen callout but plenty of traits guys never did shit.
but can someone explain these stats to me? He has 9 TDs and 7 picks with a 55.7% comp pct. I can see he's big and fast, is he accurate? Making good decisions in tough situations?
He has 17 tds and 9 picks. He’s been volatile but he was really good against Tennessee and was good against LSU.
Thanks these look alot better, I checked wiki (bad choice) although his comp % dropped. I'm down with him if Schoen picks him but want to understand the building hype.
Teams take swings on upside. Again, so many are missing the point that Jones is a pending FA. This would not be a discussion if it were Jones second year.
And Sy can correct me if I’m wrong but he’ll likely have the highest ball velocity of this years class, and should run a 4.4-4.5. He’s thrown some beautiful balls, even in the FSU game where he didn’t complete many, the big thing is going to be getting consistency out him. With what Daboll and Kafka have done with Jones this year, I’m confident they can get the consistency needed.
The giants would take a massive step back. With huge money to spend fixing OL getting some receivers etc maybe we could stay where we are building for the future. But to say this is our next franchise QB I wouldn’t agree.
Y/A was 8.4 in 2011. He was never in 8 plus range again and most other years were in mid 6's to 7.4. I wonder what was so different about '11?
probably because the Giants did run the ball 30 times a game
No. They couldn't. The line was on its last rights but it could still functionally PB. Good thing they had that group and a elite processing and decisioning making QB to utilize it.
Always the other part of what I say. If you don't have those two elements you damn well better be able to run the ball a lot with success. Maybe someday you get the concept of down/distance and making the defense respect the run game and how that impacts the pass game. But hey I'm sure you post some more fantasy articles.
No. They couldn't. The line was on its last rights but it could still functionally PB. Good thing they had that group and an elite processing and decisioning making QB to utilize it.
Always the other part of what I say. If you don't have those two elements you damn well better be able to run the ball a lot with success. Maybe someday you get the concept of down/distance and making the defense respect the run game and how that impacts the pass game. But hey I'm sure you post some more fantasy articles.
Fantasy articles? I’m convinced you do zero research.
They ran the ball 38 times vs St Louis for 3.1 ypc, 33 vs Buffalo for 3.7 ypc, 29 against Pats and 9ers for 3.8 and 3.2 ypc, 31 against Dallas for 3.5 and 3.4 ypc. Not exactly efficiency numbers, so what’s the common denominator?
They threw it 30 times vs St. Louis for 7.4 y/a, 32 against Buffalo for 9.1 y/a, 39 for Pats for 6.4 y/a, 40 against San Fran for 7.4 (the only loss), 47 times for 8.5 y/a and 33 times for 10.5 y/a against Dallas. The Giants most effective run games of that season were when they ran it 18, 20, 26 and 25 times in which they went 2-2.
Seems like there really is no substance to your theory. So 5-1 when not running efficiently, 2-2 when running efficiently.
What's your point? I have said numerous times if you don't have the rushing carries/ypc that you better have a upper tier
WR's and elite QB. 2011 check.
Now 2012 what happened? Nicks got hurt. 53 catches 692 yards. He never recovered. Manning's Y/A?
By 2013 that OL the worst of Eli's career. The rushing carries were the lowest also of his career. Lot of int's? Y/A?
Now go to 2014/15? They go Y/A 7.3 and 7.4. Something really strange must have happened. Any idea? Still not convinced they went way down to his worst Y/A of his career 5.4. Something really strange must have happened that year.
Any ideas? That terrible run game again as well.
Are you suggesting that if the Giants had the type of team they did 2005-10 where they averaged 30 145 4.6 they might not have won a little more especially considered the NFC east at time? That Eli would better get around the WR deficiency with that kind of support? Was the NFCE a better division 2005-10 than 2012-16? Seem to remember some really good HC's who stopped in and kind of understood the football thing.
See if you can figure it all out. Maybe there are some things that impact y/a. I did have done mine. You do yours.
When you say “if you can’t run it you need to pass it a high level”, right?
More and more this theory turns into the truth, that there’s multiple ways to win games and 30 carries doesn’t mean anything. The 2011 Giants had as many wins rushing for 30 carries as they had without rushing for 30 carries. Also you said they couldn’t run the ball 30 times a game in 2011, but they did it more than half their victories.
I bet we'd hit that 30 carry mark just about every week
I agree with this. I would not be surprised if JS/BD look at one of these dual guys very closely especially with what's going on in the NFL. I think they are pretty close to having a very good OL with another offseason. That bodes very well for a rookie QB. The cost savings gives JS a lot more money to build a better team especially on D. 30 carry 4.5 or higher with a upper tier D which I also think they can have sign me up. Don't know if its Richardson or not but I gather he is looking very hard for someone.
When you say “if you can’t run it you need to pass it a high level”, right?
More and more this theory turns into the truth, that there’s multiple ways to win games and 30 carries doesn’t mean anything. The 2011 Giants had as many wins rushing for 30 carries as they had without rushing for 30 carries. Also you said they couldn’t run the ball 30 times a game in 2011, but they did it more than half their victories.
Eli was still top 10 in y/a in 2012
Maybe best to interact with someone else. The y/a went down a yard. But more than that you missed the most important element. The running game actually improved significantly. Rushing carries were up but the really big one is rypa went up from 3.3 to 4.5. If you don't think that has a monumental difference I don't know what to tell you. Had this not been the case the drop in y/a would have been significantly worse. The 2012 Nicks was not close to 2011 unfortunately. Don't worry the rypa again dropped again to 3.4 2013 coupled with the lowest carries of Eli era. Tough sledding with a finished Nicks at that point.
Let’s look at the 2013 Giants for example, they lost every game they ran for over 4 ypc, including one they ran 30 times for 202 yards for 6.7 yards per carry. They had multiple wins where they rushed for under 3 yards per carry. Almost like there’s no rhyme or reason to the theory.
Let’s look at the 2013 Giants for example, they lost every game they ran for over 4 ypc, including one they ran 30 times for 202 yards for 6.7 yards per carry. They had multiple wins where they rushed for under 3 yards per carry. Almost like there’s no rhyme or reason to the theory.
The 30-carry theory works. Just have to include a never-ending list of exceptions and caveats to go with it.
although I think McNair was a little more polished coming out. Stats are comparable and so is their size. Whoever gets him will need a bridge for a year or two.
Also Richardson has had NFL eyes on him since high school
He was the #9 QB in the country and went to the Elite 11 finals. Willis was an athlete that schools had to decide if he was a QB or not. That definitely helps in considering whether to take a swing on Richardson in the first vs where Willis went.
I wasn't really comparing Willis and Richardson as players. The Willis remark was to the poster who said fans are afraid to take big swings on quarterbacks. There were fans here ready to take a big swing (top ten pick) on a player the NFL valued as a third round player.
I understand they are much different players. Really to me I don't think a player is a 'big swing' if most of the teams feel that player is worth a high pick regardless of how much their game needs work. A big swing to me is more about a player that only a few teams see as a high pick and use that high pick on that player.
RE: Also Richardson has had NFL eyes on him since high school
He was the #9 QB in the country and went to the Elite 11 finals. Willis was an athlete that schools had to decide if he was a QB or not. That definitely helps in considering whether to take a swing on Richardson in the first vs where Willis went.
That Elite 11 program is awesome. I think Dilfer still hosts it...?
Caleb Williams, I believe, killed it when he was there.
Do you know who is an interesting future QB prosect? Deion's kid - Shedeur Sander/Jax State.
Let’s look at the 2013 Giants for example, they lost every game they ran for over 4 ypc, including one they ran 30 times for 202 yards for 6.7 yards per carry. They had multiple wins where they rushed for under 3 yards per carry. Almost like there’s no rhyme or reason to the theory.
I never said they would win every game when those kinds of numbers. What I have said if you were to put up those those types of number you will win more games than not and that it will help the QB and pass game being in better situations. Most teams have a hard time having a good enough OL and upper tier WR group to overcome the lack of that support.
golfer. Got it. Any thing relevant to add? This guy googs
posts like you and interesting that you are a follower like him as well. He is gone for now but I guess reinforcements came in.
Let’s look at the 2013 Giants for example, they lost every game they ran for over 4 ypc, including one they ran 30 times for 202 yards for 6.7 yards per carry. They had multiple wins where they rushed for under 3 yards per carry. Almost like there’s no rhyme or reason to the theory.
I never said they would win every game when those kinds of numbers. What I have said if you were to put up those those types of number you will win more games than not and that it will help the QB and pass game being in better situations. Most teams have a hard time having a good enough OL and upper tier WR group to overcome the lack of that support.
golfer. Got it. Any thing relevant to add? This guy googs
posts like you and interesting that you are a follower like him as well. He is gone for now but I guess reinforcements came in.
But they won none of those games in 2013. It’s either a lot of bad luck, or a theory that holds no weight
Let’s look at the 2013 Giants for example, they lost every game they ran for over 4 ypc, including one they ran 30 times for 202 yards for 6.7 yards per carry. They had multiple wins where they rushed for under 3 yards per carry. Almost like there’s no rhyme or reason to the theory.
I never said they would win every game when those kinds of numbers. What I have said if you were to put up those those types of number you will win more games than not and that it will help the QB and pass game being in better situations. Most teams have a hard time having a good enough OL and upper tier WR group to overcome the lack of that support.
golfer. Got it. Any thing relevant to add? This guy googs
posts like you and interesting that you are a follower like him as well. He is gone for now but I guess reinforcements came in.
But they won none of those games in 2013. It’s either a lot of bad luck, or a theory that holds no weight
Let’s look at the 2013 Giants for example, they lost every game they ran for over 4 ypc, including one they ran 30 times for 202 yards for 6.7 yards per carry. They had multiple wins where they rushed for under 3 yards per carry. Almost like there’s no rhyme or reason to the theory.
I never said they would win every game when those kinds of numbers. What I have said if you were to put up those those types of number you will win more games than not and that it will help the QB and pass game being in better situations. Most teams have a hard time having a good enough OL and upper tier WR group to overcome the lack of that support.
golfer. Got it. Any thing relevant to add? This guy googs
posts like you and interesting that you are a follower like him as well. He is gone for now but I guess reinforcements came in.
But they won none of those games in 2013. It’s either a lot of bad luck, or a theory that holds no weight
Sorry ajr not interested. You should play with someone else. I rarely interject on your thoughts because most of the QB stuff I find foolish. You should do the same for me as well. I'm comfortable with where I stand and will continue to gain more insights from those who make good points and add and interact there. If you make more sense I will interject but I don't see any value here with us. You feel the same so let's leave it at that.
golfer. Yeah that follower trait again just like googs. Good thing you never spent time at a OCS program. Quick turnaround time for those types.
He was the #9 QB in the country and went to the Elite 11 finals. Willis was an athlete that schools had to decide if he was a QB or not. That definitely helps in considering whether to take a swing on Richardson in the first vs where Willis went.
That Elite 11 program is awesome. I think Dilfer still hosts it...?
Caleb Williams, I believe, killed it when he was there.
Do you know who is an interesting future QB prosect? Deion's kid - Shedeur Sander/Jax State.
I think Shedeur’s ceiling is a rich man’s Jacoby Brissett
RE: RE: RE: Also Richardson has had NFL eyes on him since high school
At 6.9 per attempt. But someone like Justin Herbert is last in the league at 6.5 but he gets a pass. Oh his receivers are hurt but his backups are better than DJ’s starters. Stop looking for negatives when the kid has played his ass off all year.
RE: I am not following you to be clear. Your 30 Carry Theory
At 6.9 per attempt. But someone like Justin Herbert is last in the league at 6.5 but he gets a pass. Oh his receivers are hurt but his backups are better than DJ’s starters. Stop looking for negatives when the kid has played his ass off all year.
Are they better though? Jones y/a is in line with his career average, Herbert’s previous two years were a yard better so its safe to say this year is an outlier for him. He’s also on pace for 4600 yards and 29 tds
At 6.9 per attempt. But someone like Justin Herbert is last in the league at 6.5 but he gets a pass. Oh his receivers are hurt but his backups are better than DJ’s starters. Stop looking for negatives when the kid has played his ass off all year.
Are they better though? Jones y/a is in line with his career average, Herbert’s previous two years were a yard better so its safe to say this year is an outlier for him. He’s also on pace for 4600 yards and 29 tds
Or maybe conditions have changed for both and it is having a impact on both QB's. Nah, stats are stats regardless.
I guarantee that there are FCS schools that are way better at passing game development than some power 5 schools.
On aggregate, it's probably true that the bigger program has the better coaches, but its far from certain on a case by case basis
Memphis isn’t as small as ND State, but the previous FSU staffs didn’t trust Jordan Travis as a passer and Norvell has turned him into a pretty solid passer. Development in college is sometimes about right place, right time.
Craig Bohl and Josh Allen might be similar, he might be better than Napier but is comfortable at Wyoming.
Ironically enough, Bohl was Wentz's HC at NDST for at least two years...I believe.
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ND State in 2014 was Klieman’s first head coaching job and now he has Kansas State as a top 10 team playing for a Big 10 title. Wentz might have gotten better coaching than most of his counterparts, his coach just hadn’t gotten his opportunity at the next level yet.
Craig Bohl and Josh Allen might be similar, he might be better than Napier but is comfortable at Wyoming.
Ironically enough, Bohl was Wentz's HC at NDST for at least two years...I believe.
Yup 2012 and 2013
Jones Y/A is 6.9. Are we really propping up his completion percentage which is filled with dink and dunk passes underneath? Come on. The standard has to be higher.
The Giants haven’t scored 30 points for 39 straight games.
He has 17 tds and 9 picks. He’s been volatile but he was really good against Tennessee and was good against LSU.
This is what Im trying to understand, is it purely traits? I get the Josh Allen callout but plenty of traits guys never did shit.
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but can someone explain these stats to me? He has 9 TDs and 7 picks with a 55.7% comp pct. I can see he's big and fast, is he accurate? Making good decisions in tough situations?
He has 17 tds and 9 picks. He’s been volatile but he was really good against Tennessee and was good against LSU.
Thanks these look alot better, I checked wiki (bad choice) although his comp % dropped. I'm down with him if Schoen picks him but want to understand the building hype.
probably because the Giants did run the ball 30 times a game
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he is going in round 1
Where in the first do you see him going? 20-30?
The floor would be 15th. I would bet money on him going top 10, possibly even QB 1 (AKA #1 overall)
Wow! I'm not sold on him, but I'm certainly not a scout
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Y/A was 8.4 in 2011. He was never in 8 plus range again and most other years were in mid 6's to 7.4. I wonder what was so different about '11?
probably because the Giants did run the ball 30 times a game
No. They couldn't. The line was on its last rights but it could still functionally PB. Good thing they had that group and a elite processing and decisioning making QB to utilize it.
Always the other part of what I say. If you don't have those two elements you damn well better be able to run the ball a lot with success. Maybe someday you get the concept of down/distance and making the defense respect the run game and how that impacts the pass game. But hey I'm sure you post some more fantasy articles.
Seems like a guy that the pre-draft process will be huge for. Chance to work on mechanics, board work, etc.
No. They couldn't. The line was on its last rights but it could still functionally PB. Good thing they had that group and an elite processing and decisioning making QB to utilize it.
Always the other part of what I say. If you don't have those two elements you damn well better be able to run the ball a lot with success. Maybe someday you get the concept of down/distance and making the defense respect the run game and how that impacts the pass game. But hey I'm sure you post some more fantasy articles.
Fantasy articles? I’m convinced you do zero research.
They ran the ball 38 times vs St Louis for 3.1 ypc, 33 vs Buffalo for 3.7 ypc, 29 against Pats and 9ers for 3.8 and 3.2 ypc, 31 against Dallas for 3.5 and 3.4 ypc. Not exactly efficiency numbers, so what’s the common denominator?
They threw it 30 times vs St. Louis for 7.4 y/a, 32 against Buffalo for 9.1 y/a, 39 for Pats for 6.4 y/a, 40 against San Fran for 7.4 (the only loss), 47 times for 8.5 y/a and 33 times for 10.5 y/a against Dallas. The Giants most effective run games of that season were when they ran it 18, 20, 26 and 25 times in which they went 2-2.
Seems like there really is no substance to your theory. So 5-1 when not running efficiently, 2-2 when running efficiently.
WR's and elite QB. 2011 check.
Now 2012 what happened? Nicks got hurt. 53 catches 692 yards. He never recovered. Manning's Y/A?
By 2013 that OL the worst of Eli's career. The rushing carries were the lowest also of his career. Lot of int's? Y/A?
Now go to 2014/15? They go Y/A 7.3 and 7.4. Something really strange must have happened. Any idea? Still not convinced they went way down to his worst Y/A of his career 5.4. Something really strange must have happened that year.
Any ideas? That terrible run game again as well.
Are you suggesting that if the Giants had the type of team they did 2005-10 where they averaged 30 145 4.6 they might not have won a little more especially considered the NFC east at time? That Eli would better get around the WR deficiency with that kind of support? Was the NFCE a better division 2005-10 than 2012-16? Seem to remember some really good HC's who stopped in and kind of understood the football thing.
See if you can figure it all out. Maybe there are some things that impact y/a. I did have done mine. You do yours.
More and more this theory turns into the truth, that there’s multiple ways to win games and 30 carries doesn’t mean anything. The 2011 Giants had as many wins rushing for 30 carries as they had without rushing for 30 carries. Also you said they couldn’t run the ball 30 times a game in 2011, but they did it more than half their victories.
Eli was still top 10 in y/a in 2012
I agree with this. I would not be surprised if JS/BD look at one of these dual guys very closely especially with what's going on in the NFL. I think they are pretty close to having a very good OL with another offseason. That bodes very well for a rookie QB. The cost savings gives JS a lot more money to build a better team especially on D. 30 carry 4.5 or higher with a upper tier D which I also think they can have sign me up. Don't know if its Richardson or not but I gather he is looking very hard for someone.
More and more this theory turns into the truth, that there’s multiple ways to win games and 30 carries doesn’t mean anything. The 2011 Giants had as many wins rushing for 30 carries as they had without rushing for 30 carries. Also you said they couldn’t run the ball 30 times a game in 2011, but they did it more than half their victories.
Eli was still top 10 in y/a in 2012
Maybe best to interact with someone else. The y/a went down a yard. But more than that you missed the most important element. The running game actually improved significantly. Rushing carries were up but the really big one is rypa went up from 3.3 to 4.5. If you don't think that has a monumental difference I don't know what to tell you. Had this not been the case the drop in y/a would have been significantly worse. The 2012 Nicks was not close to 2011 unfortunately. Don't worry the rypa again dropped again to 3.4 2013 coupled with the lowest carries of Eli era. Tough sledding with a finished Nicks at that point.
Let’s look at the 2013 Giants for example, they lost every game they ran for over 4 ypc, including one they ran 30 times for 202 yards for 6.7 yards per carry. They had multiple wins where they rushed for under 3 yards per carry. Almost like there’s no rhyme or reason to the theory.
Let’s look at the 2013 Giants for example, they lost every game they ran for over 4 ypc, including one they ran 30 times for 202 yards for 6.7 yards per carry. They had multiple wins where they rushed for under 3 yards per carry. Almost like there’s no rhyme or reason to the theory.
The 30-carry theory works. Just have to include a never-ending list of exceptions and caveats to go with it.
Unless some local Gainesville business(es) pony up some serious cash, which you can't dismiss, I think AR has an 80% chance right now of declaring.
Personally, I think he's definitely top 20 right now.
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I bet he'll go top 3 if he does.
Unless some local Gainesville business(es) pony up some serious cash, which you can't dismiss, I think AR has an 80% chance right now of declaring.
Personally, I think he's definitely top 20 right now.
People said the same thing about Malik Willis even later in the process
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I bet he'll go top 3 if he does.
Unless some local Gainesville business(es) pony up some serious cash, which you can't dismiss, I think AR has an 80% chance right now of declaring.
Personally, I think he's definitely top 20 right now.
Yea - all it takes is one team to fall in love, and teams usually don't let a guy they have a 1st round grade on drop past middle first.
I understand they are much different players. Really to me I don't think a player is a 'big swing' if most of the teams feel that player is worth a high pick regardless of how much their game needs work. A big swing to me is more about a player that only a few teams see as a high pick and use that high pick on that player.
That Elite 11 program is awesome. I think Dilfer still hosts it...?
Caleb Williams, I believe, killed it when he was there.
Do you know who is an interesting future QB prosect? Deion's kid - Shedeur Sander/Jax State.
Unless some local Gainesville business(es) pony up some serious cash, which you can't dismiss, I think AR has an 80% chance right now of declaring.
Personally, I think he's definitely top 20 right now.
People said the same thing about Malik Willis even later in the process
The difference is, IMV, the size of AR. He's 6'4, 235 and runs like an Elk and has an arm like de Grom.
BTW, you deserve credit for the Cam Ward call. I'm all in. ;)
Let’s look at the 2013 Giants for example, they lost every game they ran for over 4 ypc, including one they ran 30 times for 202 yards for 6.7 yards per carry. They had multiple wins where they rushed for under 3 yards per carry. Almost like there’s no rhyme or reason to the theory.
I never said they would win every game when those kinds of numbers. What I have said if you were to put up those those types of number you will win more games than not and that it will help the QB and pass game being in better situations. Most teams have a hard time having a good enough OL and upper tier WR group to overcome the lack of that support.
golfer. Got it. Any thing relevant to add? This guy googs
posts like you and interesting that you are a follower like him as well. He is gone for now but I guess reinforcements came in.
Correct. He's a safety.
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Doesn’t put much weight behind your theory.
Let’s look at the 2013 Giants for example, they lost every game they ran for over 4 ypc, including one they ran 30 times for 202 yards for 6.7 yards per carry. They had multiple wins where they rushed for under 3 yards per carry. Almost like there’s no rhyme or reason to the theory.
I never said they would win every game when those kinds of numbers. What I have said if you were to put up those those types of number you will win more games than not and that it will help the QB and pass game being in better situations. Most teams have a hard time having a good enough OL and upper tier WR group to overcome the lack of that support.
golfer. Got it. Any thing relevant to add? This guy googs
posts like you and interesting that you are a follower like him as well. He is gone for now but I guess reinforcements came in.
But they won none of those games in 2013. It’s either a lot of bad luck, or a theory that holds no weight
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Doesn’t put much weight behind your theory.
Let’s look at the 2013 Giants for example, they lost every game they ran for over 4 ypc, including one they ran 30 times for 202 yards for 6.7 yards per carry. They had multiple wins where they rushed for under 3 yards per carry. Almost like there’s no rhyme or reason to the theory.
I never said they would win every game when those kinds of numbers. What I have said if you were to put up those those types of number you will win more games than not and that it will help the QB and pass game being in better situations. Most teams have a hard time having a good enough OL and upper tier WR group to overcome the lack of that support.
golfer. Got it. Any thing relevant to add? This guy googs
posts like you and interesting that you are a follower like him as well. He is gone for now but I guess reinforcements came in.
But they won none of those games in 2013. It’s either a lot of bad luck, or a theory that holds no weight
Bad luck is probably one of the caveats.
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Doesn’t put much weight behind your theory.
Let’s look at the 2013 Giants for example, they lost every game they ran for over 4 ypc, including one they ran 30 times for 202 yards for 6.7 yards per carry. They had multiple wins where they rushed for under 3 yards per carry. Almost like there’s no rhyme or reason to the theory.
I never said they would win every game when those kinds of numbers. What I have said if you were to put up those those types of number you will win more games than not and that it will help the QB and pass game being in better situations. Most teams have a hard time having a good enough OL and upper tier WR group to overcome the lack of that support.
golfer. Got it. Any thing relevant to add? This guy googs
posts like you and interesting that you are a follower like him as well. He is gone for now but I guess reinforcements came in.
But they won none of those games in 2013. It’s either a lot of bad luck, or a theory that holds no weight
Sorry ajr not interested. You should play with someone else. I rarely interject on your thoughts because most of the QB stuff I find foolish. You should do the same for me as well. I'm comfortable with where I stand and will continue to gain more insights from those who make good points and add and interact there. If you make more sense I will interject but I don't see any value here with us. You feel the same so let's leave it at that.
golfer. Yeah that follower trait again just like googs. Good thing you never spent time at a OCS program. Quick turnaround time for those types.
If hard stats aren’t good points, not sure what are.
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He was the #9 QB in the country and went to the Elite 11 finals. Willis was an athlete that schools had to decide if he was a QB or not. That definitely helps in considering whether to take a swing on Richardson in the first vs where Willis went.
That Elite 11 program is awesome. I think Dilfer still hosts it...?
Caleb Williams, I believe, killed it when he was there.
Do you know who is an interesting future QB prosect? Deion's kid - Shedeur Sander/Jax State.
I think Shedeur’s ceiling is a rich man’s Jacoby Brissett
That Elite 11 program is awesome. I think Dilfer still hosts it...?
Caleb Williams, I believe, killed it when he was there.
Do you know who is an interesting future QB prosect? Deion's kid - Shedeur Sander/Jax State.
I think Shedeur’s ceiling is a rich man’s Jacoby Brissett
I've seen video online where he works out with Tom Brady. One of the benefits of having a Hall of Fame father... ;)
I'm not sure where I would place Sanders right now. But he certainly has an interesting pedigree.
And I didn't want to go the OCS route as I was too busy playing golf. Life choices.
And I didn't want to go the OCS route as I was too busy playing golf. Life choices.
Great choice.
Are they better though? Jones y/a is in line with his career average, Herbert’s previous two years were a yard better so its safe to say this year is an outlier for him. He’s also on pace for 4600 yards and 29 tds
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At 6.9 per attempt. But someone like Justin Herbert is last in the league at 6.5 but he gets a pass. Oh his receivers are hurt but his backups are better than DJ’s starters. Stop looking for negatives when the kid has played his ass off all year.
Are they better though? Jones y/a is in line with his career average, Herbert’s previous two years were a yard better so its safe to say this year is an outlier for him. He’s also on pace for 4600 yards and 29 tds
Or maybe conditions have changed for both and it is having a impact on both QB's. Nah, stats are stats regardless.