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Could the Jets move to Queens?

Sean : 11/30/2022 3:52 pm
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Mike Mazzeo
@MazzNYC
With a possible opt-out at MetLife Stadium available soon, Sen. Joe Addabbo wants the Jets back in New York, specifically, Willets Point, Queens. "This is a huge, Herculean longshot, I get that. But I hate missed opportunities."

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RE: MS  
81_Great_Dane : 11/30/2022 4:39 pm : link
In comment 15927450 Sean said:
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It seems that is referenced a lot, but I’m a Giants-Mets and know plenty of Jets-Yankees.
Yeah, I'm also Giants-Mets-Knicks. It's not that unusual.
The Jets belong in Queens with the Mets.  
Dave in Hoboken : 11/30/2022 4:40 pm : link
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They should share the stadium  
Spiciest Memelord : 11/30/2022 4:45 pm : link
with the frigging Mets.
Sean & 81_Great_Dane  
M.S. : 11/30/2022 4:53 pm : link

I live in Westchester County and based on a very non-random sample I’d say the two predominant pairings are:

Giants/Yankees
Jets/Mets

After that maybe a few Giants/Mets fans and almost never Jets/Yankees.

And what would happen with any equity the Jets  
mikeinbloomfield : 11/30/2022 4:54 pm : link
have in Metlife? I'm sure Mara and Tisch has half a billion laying around, which gets them exactly what? What is "we're the only ones playing here" worth? $0?
RE: Domes suck  
Mad Mike : 11/30/2022 4:55 pm : link
In comment 15927454 Greg from LI said:
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Football is meant to be played outdoors

+1
RE: MS  
M.S. : 11/30/2022 4:56 pm : link
In comment 15927450 Sean said:
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It seems that is referenced a lot, but I’m a Giants-Mets and know plenty of Jets-Yankees.

I think I’m a bit of an outlier in that I’m a Giants/Yankees fan, but I also root for the Mets (so long as it’s not against the Yanks.)
RE: Sean & 81_Great_Dane  
RHPeel : 11/30/2022 4:58 pm : link
In comment 15927464 M.S. said:
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I live in Westchester County and based on a very non-random sample I’d say the two predominant pairings are:

Giants/Yankees
Jets/Mets

After that maybe a few Giants/Mets fans and almost never Jets/Yankees.


My hypothesis on this is that it depends when your ancestors adopted professional football. I suspect a common story is something like "My father was a huge Brooklyn Dodgers fan who also liked the New York Football Giants. The Dodgers moved and rooting for the Yankees was impossible, so he became a Mets fan, and it stuck in the family." The Jets ("Titans") did not exist until 1959, so if your ancestors adopted football before then, the Giants were likely your team.

That is roughly my own story, give or take a generation here or there.
RE: And what would happen with any equity the Jets  
Mad Mike : 11/30/2022 4:59 pm : link
In comment 15927465 mikeinbloomfield said:
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have in Metlife? I'm sure Mara and Tisch has half a billion laying around, which gets them exactly what? What is "we're the only ones playing here" worth? $0?

That equity, as well as the Giants' equal share, would lose a lot of value. You still have all the financing costs, maybe slightly less upkeep, but still most of the upkeep, and you've lost a tenant that can't be replaced.
You belong in a certain band of intelligence  
Spiciest Memelord : 11/30/2022 5:01 pm : link
to root for the Mets and Jets.
I'm still not understanding a lot about this stadium  
Matt M. : 11/30/2022 5:07 pm : link
The Giants, supposedly, had a design that was estimated to cost less than half of what it cost to build MetLife. How and why did we end up with a generic design that was not state of the are even when it was being discussed that costs what it did?

How do you build a new stadium for multiple teams in this day and age and rely on crews with cherry pickers to manually change colored disks on outside lights to light up the exterior based on which team is home?
the stadium was  
Dave on the UWS : 11/30/2022 5:15 pm : link
Jointly financed, both pay the mortgage. How can the Jets have an opt out? Are they paying the Giants their 50% of the stadium mortgage? The Giants don’t have the money to pay for it themselves (that’s why it was a joint venture). Now if the state of NY wants to buy out the Jets 50% that means the taxpayers )like myself) get screwed.
RHPeel  
M.S. : 11/30/2022 5:16 pm : link

I think you may be on to something there!
RE: the stadium was  
Mad Mike : 11/30/2022 5:20 pm : link
In comment 15927489 Dave on the UWS said:
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Jointly financed, both pay the mortgage. How can the Jets have an opt out? Are they paying the Giants their 50% of the stadium mortgage? The Giants don’t have the money to pay for it themselves (that’s why it was a joint venture). Now if the state of NY wants to buy out the Jets 50% that means the taxpayers )like myself) get screwed.

They opt-out, as I understand it, is just for the lease of the land from the State. So, I guess, either (but not both) team could leave and stop paying rent to the State for the right to play games there. The costs of the Stadium carry on, with the two teams bearing those equally as co-owners. Whether the Jets could get the Giants, or anyone else, to buy their 50% share of the stadium is anyone's guess, but obviously a stadium with two NFL tenants is worth more than a stadium with one.
RE: MS  
Optimus-NY : 11/30/2022 5:30 pm : link
In comment 15927450 Sean said:
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It seems that is referenced a lot, but I’m a Giants-Mets and know plenty of Jets-Yankees.


+1 Exactly. Not sure why certain people (old timers I bet) don't realize how common that is. There are plenty of Jets-Yankees fans too.
Giants should move to Connecticut  
yalebowl : 11/30/2022 5:33 pm : link
Bridgeport or New Haven would be fine

Snark
RE: RE: Sean & 81_Great_Dane  
JB_in_DC : 11/30/2022 5:37 pm : link
In comment 15927468 RHPeel said:
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In comment 15927464 M.S. said:


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I live in Westchester County and based on a very non-random sample I’d say the two predominant pairings are:

Giants/Yankees
Jets/Mets

After that maybe a few Giants/Mets fans and almost never Jets/Yankees.




My hypothesis on this is that it depends when your ancestors adopted professional football. I suspect a common story is something like "My father was a huge Brooklyn Dodgers fan who also liked the New York Football Giants. The Dodgers moved and rooting for the Yankees was impossible, so he became a Mets fan, and it stuck in the family." The Jets ("Titans") did not exist until 1959, so if your ancestors adopted football before then, the Giants were likely your team.

That is roughly my own story, give or take a generation here or there.


Yeah my family was Football and Baseball Giants, switched to Mets after the tragedy of '57.
RE: The Jets belong in Queens with the Mets.  
PatersonPlank : 11/30/2022 5:44 pm : link
In comment 15927457 Dave in Hoboken said:
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+1. Get them the hell out of Giants Stadium
So odd that the giants and Jets have been tied together since '84  
Optimus-NY : 11/30/2022 5:49 pm : link
Almost 40 years of this. Sharing sucks.
RE: Sean & 81_Great_Dane  
OBJRoyal : 11/30/2022 6:28 pm : link
In comment 15927464 M.S. said:
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I live in Westchester County and based on a very non-random sample I’d say the two predominant pairings are:

Giants/Yankees
Jets/Mets

After that maybe a few Giants/Mets fans and almost never Jets/Yankees.


I am also Giants/Mets
I don't see how this happens.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/30/2022 6:45 pm : link
The Jets own half of metlife right now. Would they want the cost of new land and new construction when they can just pay half the cost of operating metlife?

Would the Giants even want sole ownership costs?
God i'd love if we were the Westchester Giants  
The Dude : 11/30/2022 7:07 pm : link
sans the traffic and ridiculous pricetag.....

Does anyone still have the rendering of the new Giants stadium, brick faced? (pre metlife)
RE: The Jets belong in Queens with the Mets.  
Drewcon40 : 11/30/2022 7:25 pm : link
In comment 15927457 Dave in Hoboken said:
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Dave my man, can’t you just take a break from the Mets hate for the off season!

Also a Giants/Mets fan. I was 12 in 1986 and “entitled”
Both the Giants and Jets have weak owners with no vision  
arniefez : 11/30/2022 7:31 pm : link
before anyone gets all excited save it. MetLife is evidence.
As long as they pay what they owe at Meadowlands  
Giant John : 11/30/2022 7:36 pm : link
They can move to China for all I care.
RE: RE: MS  
M.S. : 11/30/2022 7:39 pm : link
In comment 15927498 Optimus-NY said:
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In comment 15927450 Sean said:


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It seems that is referenced a lot, but I’m a Giants-Mets and know plenty of Jets-Yankees.



+1 Exactly. Not sure why certain people (old timers I bet) don't realize how common that is. There are plenty of Jets-Yankees fans too.

Welp, I think the Giants-Mets fans on this site represent a a highly selective sample. If you happen to be a Mets fan, by definition you are going to be a Giants fan because you are on BBI. So, while I'm sure there are Giants-Mets fans out there, I believe there are a lot more Jets-Mets fans.
Lots of us whose roots go back to Brooklyn  
BigBlueNH : 11/30/2022 7:40 pm : link
are Giants-Mets fans. Both my parents were born and raised in Brooklyn. If you lived in Brooklyn in the 50s, you were a NY Football Giants and Brooklyn Dodgers fan. When the Dodgers left for LA, few became Yankees fans, most waited for a NL team. When I started following sports in 67-68, I adopted the teams of my Father and Grandpa: the Giants and Mets.
RE: I still can not understand why they did not put a dome on that  
Paulie Walnuts : 11/30/2022 8:17 pm : link
In comment 15927443 Jack Stroud said:
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stadium. The NFL would have had lots of SB's there, with all of the amenities in the surrounding area it is a no brainier for SB's! I have not been to the new stadium, I have been to the cowturds stadium. My grandson was selected to play USA Football, it was at the cowturds stadium, I went there to see his game and was very, very impressed with that stadium. I am told the cowrutds paid less for their stadium with a dome, than the Giants paid for theirs.
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RE: I still can not understand why they did not put a dome on that  
Tom in NY : 11/30/2022 8:55 pm : link
In comment 15927443 Jack Stroud said:
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stadium. The NFL would have had lots of SB's there, with all of the amenities in the surrounding area it is a no brainier for SB's! I have not been to the new stadium, I have been to the cowturds stadium. My grandson was selected to play USA Football, it was at the cowturds stadium, I went there to see his game and was very, very impressed with that stadium. I am told the cowrutds paid less for their stadium with a dome, than the Giants paid for theirs.


Cost of construction in TX is cheaper than NY/NJ due to labor vs. non-labor wages/benefits/etc, government expenses, infrastructure that was required around Met Life. It's impossible to compare the 2 regions as far as expenses go.
Was that a...  
Brown_Hornet : 11/30/2022 9:07 pm : link
...question, or a suggestion?
Giant and Mets Fan  
MeanBunny : 11/30/2022 9:40 pm : link
I really, really hated Steinbrenner and the entitled Yankee fans. The only reason I do not hate the Yankees is because I liked the "Pride of the Yankees"movie.
I enjoyed the 86 thug years of the Mets. I went to Shea a lot. I appreciated the NY sack exchange Jets but didn't really grok the culture or the fan base. The 80's JET logo was cool though.Jet age and totally 60's in it's futurism. The new one sucks ass
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RE: It would be nice except that we would be left with the dump that was  
nochance : 11/30/2022 9:53 pm : link
In comment 15927431 Chris684 said:
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created for both teams.

I’m all for this if there would be a way for NYG to maybe salvage the existing MetLife in some way. Maybe some permanent statues outside, or permanent NYG fixtures. I’m not sure there is anything they can do aesthetically to the building that would cost a ton of money.



Thats not possible considering that they are 1/2 owners of the stadium. Surely the politicians don't think the Giants are going to buy them out
RE: They should share the stadium  
nochance : 11/30/2022 10:00 pm : link
In comment 15927461 Spiciest Memelord said:
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with the frigging Mets.


citifield is nowhere near large enough capacity to support football
RE: RE: Sean & 81_Great_Dane  
81_Great_Dane : 11/30/2022 10:03 pm : link
In comment 15927468 RHPeel said:
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In comment 15927464 M.S. said:


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I live in Westchester County and based on a very non-random sample I’d say the two predominant pairings are:

Giants/Yankees
Jets/Mets

After that maybe a few Giants/Mets fans and almost never Jets/Yankees.




My hypothesis on this is that it depends when your ancestors adopted professional football. I suspect a common story is something like "My father was a huge Brooklyn Dodgers fan who also liked the New York Football Giants. The Dodgers moved and rooting for the Yankees was impossible, so he became a Mets fan, and it stuck in the family." The Jets ("Titans") did not exist until 1959, so if your ancestors adopted football before then, the Giants were likely your team.

That is roughly my own story, give or take a generation here or there.
My great-uncle was a fan of McGraw’s Giants when the Yankees were still the Highlanders. 90 years ago my family was Giants fans—baseball and football. My dad liked the Yankees as a kid but came back to the National League later in life.
Same for my grandfather  
Greg from LI : 11/30/2022 10:06 pm : link
He grew up on 59th street as a fan of both Giants teams
1970's/80's north Jersey guy here  
PatersonPlank : 11/30/2022 10:20 pm : link
Giants and Yankees fan, never really knew anyone who wasn't.
RE: RE: RE: MS  
Optimus-NY : 11/30/2022 10:50 pm : link
In comment 15927614 M.S. said:
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In comment 15927498 Optimus-NY said:


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In comment 15927450 Sean said:


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It seems that is referenced a lot, but I’m a Giants-Mets and know plenty of Jets-Yankees.



+1 Exactly. Not sure why certain people (old timers I bet) don't realize how common that is. There are plenty of Jets-Yankees fans too.


Welp, I think the Giants-Mets fans on this site represent a a highly selective sample. If you happen to be a Mets fan, by definition you are going to be a Giants fan because you are on BBI. So, while I'm sure there are Giants-Mets fans out there, I believe there are a lot more Jets-Mets fans.


You'd think wrong gramps.
back to the original topic -  
Del Shofner : 11/30/2022 10:55 pm : link
I don't understand the premise (not of the OP, of the quoted politician). MLS and the City are building a soccer stadium at Willets Point, it's just been announced. It won't have enough seats for the NFL. There aren't going to be two new stadiums. Seems like a random statement by a politician.
RE: back to the original topic -  
Drewcon40 : 11/30/2022 11:11 pm : link
In comment 15927725 Del Shofner said:
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I don't understand the premise (not of the OP, of the quoted politician). MLS and the City are building a soccer stadium at Willets Point, it's just been announced. It won't have enough seats for the NFL. There aren't going to be two new stadiums. Seems like a random statement by a politician.


I am not sure they would have the real estate to do this but I the thought might be to build an additional stadium to Citifield and the NYCFC arena. I have never been there but I think this is how Philadelphia is configured.

I have my doubts this is possible but I think that would be the idea.
I always thought Belmont was a natural spot for the Jets.  
Optimus-NY : 11/30/2022 11:16 pm : link
Guess it's too late now with the Icelanders there in IBS Arena.
RE: Domes suck  
allstarjim : 11/30/2022 11:54 pm : link
In comment 15927454 Greg from LI said:
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Football is meant to be played outdoors


Agreed, Greg.
RE: RE: Put the Jets on Long Island somewhere  
holmancomedown : 12/1/2022 6:35 am : link
In comment 15927449 M.S. said:
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Fuck them. that's where they really belong. I don't want my Mets anywhere near them.
Not interesting or unusual at all. Most of your Brooklynites are Giants/Mets fans.

Interesting… Giants/Mets fan!

The usual split is Giants/Yankees Jets/Mets
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Red Right Hand : 12/1/2022 7:48 am : link
In comment 15927698 nochance said:
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In comment 15927431 Chris684 said:


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created for both teams.

I’m all for this if there would be a way for NYG to maybe salvage the existing MetLife in some way. Maybe some permanent statues outside, or permanent NYG fixtures. I’m not sure there is anything they can do aesthetically to the building that would cost a ton of money.




Thats not possible considering that they are 1/2 owners of the stadium. Surely the politicians don't think the Giants are going to buy them out
Sounded more like one local politician engaging in fantasy than anything else.
RE: I still can not understand why they did not put a dome on that  
Section331 : 12/1/2022 9:34 am : link
In comment 15927443 Jack Stroud said:
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stadium. The NFL would have had lots of SB's there, with all of the amenities in the surrounding area it is a no brainier for SB's! I have not been to the new stadium, I have been to the cowturds stadium. My grandson was selected to play USA Football, it was at the cowturds stadium, I went there to see his game and was very, very impressed with that stadium. I am told the cowrutds paid less for their stadium with a dome, than the Giants paid for theirs.


Apparently Woody nixed the roof after the Jets were asked to buy in. I don’t really mind no roof - football is meant to be played outdoors, IMO - but Woody cheating out made the stadium much less enticing. It would be just like him to turn and run.
RE: RE: I still can not understand why they did not put a dome on that  
Mad Mike : 12/1/2022 9:58 am : link
In comment 15927855 Section331 said:
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Apparently Woody nixed the roof after the Jets were asked to buy in. I don’t really mind no roof - football is meant to be played outdoors, IMO - but Woody cheating out made the stadium much less enticing. It would be just like him to turn and run.

It was reported when the Stadium was being planned that both teams balked at paying for the roof. The sports authority wanted it, the teams jointly shot it down.
RE: RE: RE: I still can not understand why they did not put a dome on that  
rsjem1979 : 12/1/2022 10:20 am : link
In comment 15927880 Mad Mike said:
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In comment 15927855 Section331 said:


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Apparently Woody nixed the roof after the Jets were asked to buy in. I don’t really mind no roof - football is meant to be played outdoors, IMO - but Woody cheating out made the stadium much less enticing. It would be just like him to turn and run.


It was reported when the Stadium was being planned that both teams balked at paying for the roof. The sports authority wanted it, the teams jointly shot it down.


Incredible short-sightedness and stupidity.

"Football is meant to be played in the cold, blah blah blah".

Grow up, build a retractable roof and host the Super Bowl every 10 years, Final Four or NCAA Regionals every 4-5 years, and any number of other things you can't do between January and May because the weather sucks.

Point blank, the stadium in Dallas is amazing. As are the stadiums in Indy, Minny, Atlanta, etc. MetLife Stadium sucks, but at least fans get to sit a million miles away from the field and freeze their asses off in December to prove a point.
Why do any fans care at all about sharing a stadium? LOL  
Lafferty, Daniel : 12/1/2022 10:21 am : link
makes very little sense to me.
Obviously sharing the stadium gives NYG more financial flexibility - that's a good thing...

Fans who want the stadium to themselves is weird.
Guess those same fans wanted to pay double whatever PSL's they were already swindled into?!

Do you also get upset that the stadium is shared by Eminem or the Eagles or Bruce or the World Cup?

Grow up!
RE: I'm still not understanding a lot about this stadium  
rnargi : 12/1/2022 10:46 am : link
In comment 15927479 Matt M. said:
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The Giants, supposedly, had a design that was estimated to cost less than half of what it cost to build MetLife. How and why did we end up with a generic design that was not state of the are even when it was being discussed that costs what it did?

How do you build a new stadium for multiple teams in this day and age and rely on crews with cherry pickers to manually change colored disks on outside lights to light up the exterior based on which team is home?


Not a fan of roofed stadiums  
Spiciest Memelord : 12/1/2022 11:35 am : link
makes the stadium feel too enclosed and you lose a lot of potential for great views and vistas. Seems like the Mara and Woody had some initial notions of a roof but cheaped out, but still kept the enclosed tuna can stadium design.
RE: RE: I'm still not understanding a lot about this stadium  
SirLoinOfBeef : 12/1/2022 2:18 pm : link
In comment 15927928 rnargi said:
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In comment 15927479 Matt M. said:


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The Giants, supposedly, had a design that was estimated to cost less than half of what it cost to build MetLife. How and why did we end up with a generic design that was not state of the are even when it was being discussed that costs what it did?

How do you build a new stadium for multiple teams in this day and age and rely on crews with cherry pickers to manually change colored disks on outside lights to light up the exterior based on which team is home?





Very good.
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