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Giantsfan79 : 11/30/2022 4:11 pm
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According to Jeff Passan of ESPN, the Yankees have offered free agent outfielder Aaron Judge a contract "in the neighborhood of eight years and $300 million."
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Passan adds that New York could increase their offer, depending on how far the Giants -- Judge's alternative primary suitor this offseason -- are willing to push his market. The Yankees' offer, which represents an average annual value of $37.5 million, would make Judge the highest paid position player in the game. The expectation is that Judge will make his final decision before the Winter Meetings conclude on December 7. At this point, it sounds like the Yankees and Giants are the clear frontrunners in the Judge sweepstakes.

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I'd say if he turns this down  
DC Gmen Fan : 11/30/2022 4:28 pm : link
he had no intention of wanting to stay in NY
This contract will be a disaster after year 3  
Doubledeuce22 : 11/30/2022 4:29 pm : link
mark my words.
Feels a little light  
Csonka : 11/30/2022 4:39 pm : link
They'll come up to $320 and get it done.
RE: This contract will be a disaster after year 3  
djm : 11/30/2022 4:41 pm : link
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mark my words.


OK. That would mean Judge is no longer a great baseball player at the ripe old age of....33. That normally doesn't happen.

So much fear.
If confirmed  
bwitz : 11/30/2022 4:42 pm : link
It means we should know pretty soon. If he takes it or not, it will be interesting to see how fast the Yanks make additional moves.
What I like least about baseball  
Spiciest Memelord : 11/30/2022 4:42 pm : link
long guaranteed contracts usually to old broken down farts.

Oof imagine the forlorn hopelessness of being a Denver Broncos fan.
RE: I'd say if he turns this down  
regischarlotte : 11/30/2022 5:09 pm : link
In comment 15927444 DC Gmen Fan said:
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he had no intention of wanting to stay in NY


Not so much. If SF offered 320MM, then his choice says nothing about his desire to stay in NY.
Personally, I thought 7 was the max they should offer  
Matt M. : 11/30/2022 5:11 pm : link
But, this looks and sounds reasonable. That said, I fully expect Judge to turn it down as most reports referenced avg salaries over $40M for him. Will they be able to meet on a mutually agreeable deal? I am beginning to doubt it.

I have a hunch, Cashman's words a couple of weeks ago that money (his emphasis) will not be the reason Judge would not be a Yankee next year was just bs. In his and Hal's minds, this is a fair offer that any fan would view as such and thus think if he turns down something like this, they did all they could.
It seems kind of weird that the Yankees leaked the terms  
sb from NYT Forum : 11/30/2022 5:51 pm : link
...I think Judge's agent would be a little annoyed.
RE: It seems kind of weird that the Yankees leaked the terms  
BigBlueShock : 11/30/2022 6:01 pm : link
In comment 15927517 sb from NYT Forum said:
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...I think Judge's agent would be a little annoyed.

How do you know it was the Yanks that leaked this? They were talking earlier on the Kay Show and they made a good point, that this leak benefits Judge more than the Yanks. Judge and his agent need teams to know what numbers they need to beat.

Who really knows but the point is don’t automatically assume this leak came from the Yankees side this time
RE: This contract will be a disaster after year 3  
Sec 103 : 11/30/2022 6:11 pm : link
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Agree
remember  
Giantsfan79 : 11/30/2022 6:11 pm : link
This is how the Yankees operate when the really want a player, ie CC or Cole, they let it be known their offer is strong to separate the contenders from the posers.
I saw a Judge thread  
Jersey Heel : 11/30/2022 6:19 pm : link
And just assumed Joe Judge. Then I saw the Yankees and I was confused. Took me a second. I don’t follow baseball like I used to.
RE: RE: This contract will be a disaster after year 3  
wigs in nyc : 11/30/2022 6:19 pm : link
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Agree


You guys are fun. And I really think you’re wrong.

Speaking of disasters, look at this roster if you let him walk. If you don’t break the bank for Judge you don’t donit for anyone. Nearly unanimous MVP season, 31yo, gold glove, perfect homegrown captain character. Buncha debby-downers out there.
RE: RE: RE: This contract will be a disaster after year 3  
Dave in Hoboken : 11/30/2022 6:34 pm : link
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You guys are fun. And I really think you’re wrong.

Speaking of disasters, look at this roster if you let him walk. If you don’t break the bank for Judge you don’t donit for anyone. Nearly unanimous MVP season, 31yo, gold glove, perfect homegrown captain character. Buncha debby-downers out there.


Meh. They can continue to not make it to the World Series with or without him.
It's scary how reliant we are on Judge. That's definitely not a blow  
Jim in Hoboken : 11/30/2022 6:38 pm : link
your socks off type of offer. I'd be wary of offering something more though.

There is literally no one else on the roster whom you can say will be here in 5 years and be a foundation of the organization. Cole will be what 37? The only one person with the potential was passed over in the playoffs for someone liked IKF.
RE: RE: RE: RE: This contract will be a disaster after year 3  
BigBlueShock : 11/30/2022 6:41 pm : link
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You guys are fun. And I really think you’re wrong.

Speaking of disasters, look at this roster if you let him walk. If you don’t break the bank for Judge you don’t donit for anyone. Nearly unanimous MVP season, 31yo, gold glove, perfect homegrown captain character. Buncha debby-downers out there.



Meh. They can continue to not make it to the World Series with or without him.

You are so laughably fucking entitled. “Wha! My favorite team that has won more championships than any franchise in the history of American sports hasn’t won in a long time! Whaaaaaa!!”

Stop your damn whining. It’s embarrassing as hell
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Dave in Hoboken : 11/30/2022 6:42 pm : link
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You guys are fun. And I really think you’re wrong.

Speaking of disasters, look at this roster if you let him walk. If you don’t break the bank for Judge you don’t donit for anyone. Nearly unanimous MVP season, 31yo, gold glove, perfect homegrown captain character. Buncha debby-downers out there.



Meh. They can continue to not make it to the World Series with or without him.


You are so laughably fucking entitled. “Wha! My favorite team that has won more championships than any franchise in the history of American sports hasn’t won in a long time! Whaaaaaa!!”

Stop your damn whining. It’s embarrassing as hell


Are you okay? Like...mentally and emotionally? Re-read my post, and then read the psychotic temper-tantrum that you responded with, and that you're well-known on here for.

Calm down, psycho.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: This contract will be a disaster after year 3  
BigBlueShock : 11/30/2022 6:51 pm : link
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You guys are fun. And I really think you’re wrong.

Speaking of disasters, look at this roster if you let him walk. If you don’t break the bank for Judge you don’t donit for anyone. Nearly unanimous MVP season, 31yo, gold glove, perfect homegrown captain character. Buncha debby-downers out there.



Meh. They can continue to not make it to the World Series with or without him.


You are so laughably fucking entitled. “Wha! My favorite team that has won more championships than any franchise in the history of American sports hasn’t won in a long time! Whaaaaaa!!”

Stop your damn whining. It’s embarrassing as hell



Are you okay? Like...mentally and emotionally? Re-read my post, and then read the psychotic temper-tantrum that you responded with, and that you're well-known on here for.

Calm down, psycho.

All you’ve done is whine since the season ended. Every single Yankees thread. Whine, whine, whine. This post was just another self pity post. “Boo hoo, they didn’t win a WS with Judge yet, so who cares if he comes back! “. You sound pathetic. Nice try deflecting though…
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rnargi : 11/30/2022 7:38 pm : link
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You guys are fun. And I really think you’re wrong.

Speaking of disasters, look at this roster if you let him walk. If you don’t break the bank for Judge you don’t donit for anyone. Nearly unanimous MVP season, 31yo, gold glove, perfect homegrown captain character. Buncha debby-downers out there.



Meh. They can continue to not make it to the World Series with or without him.


You are so laughably fucking entitled. “Wha! My favorite team that has won more championships than any franchise in the history of American sports hasn’t won in a long time! Whaaaaaa!!”

Stop your damn whining. It’s embarrassing as hell


What the fuck is wrong with you? Fuck you and your bullshit "entitled" nonsense. Yeah they have 27 championships. Its not entitlement,you dolt. Its expectations. Do you do your job just hoping to get through the day and collect a paycheck? Or are you expected by your employer to perform at a high level....all the time? Sounds to me that you're the entitled fuckwad. You're the shitbag that's whining here, big boy
...good thing you're not cursed with self-awareness or you'd know where the embarrassment truly lies.
RE: RE: This contract will be a disaster after year 3  
k2tampa : 11/30/2022 7:50 pm : link
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OK. That would mean Judge is no longer a great baseball player at the ripe old age of....33. That normally doesn't happen.

So much fear.


Actually, 34. And FYI, Stanton just turned 33.
Ok  
djm : 11/30/2022 9:10 pm : link
So since Stanton breaks down sometimes every 34 year does?

Yanks are damned if they do damned if they don’t. And most people can accept this and not condemn them for actually trying their best to re-sign a home grown, potential HOFer who is in his prime, and a unanimous fan favorite at that. But nope we’re gonna have a legion of fans who can’t wait to kill the yanks despite being boxed into a corner. They have no choice but hey if judge breaks down you can crush the yanks. Even though every single team with money would do the same fucking thing. And they wouldn’t be wrong. And maybe it’s right to let judge walk. But it ain’t that easy or simple without a crystal ball.

How can anyone fucking blame the yanks here?? Just let judge walk don’t even try, fuck it he’s replaceable? The city would riot.
For all the hate Stanton gets  
djm : 11/30/2022 9:14 pm : link
He’s still one of our best postseason run producers the last two years.

RE: Ok  
section125 : 11/30/2022 9:26 pm : link
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So since Stanton breaks down sometimes every 34 year does?

Yanks are damned if they do damned if they don’t. And most people can accept this and not condemn them for actually trying their best to re-sign a home grown, potential HOFer who is in his prime, and a unanimous fan favorite at that. But nope we’re gonna have a legion of fans who can’t wait to kill the yanks despite being boxed into a corner. They have no choice but hey if judge breaks down you can crush the yanks. Even though every single team with money would do the same fucking thing. And they wouldn’t be wrong. And maybe it’s right to let judge walk. But it ain’t that easy or simple without a crystal ball.

How can anyone fucking blame the yanks here?? Just let judge walk don’t even try, fuck it he’s replaceable? The city would riot.


I am not worried about Judge breaking down for the next 5/6 years. One look at him and you can tell he maintains his body and he has pride.
Nobody likes having a 38 year old on the roster, but there is nothing that can be done in this era - you either pay or he walks. The face of the team should never walk.
RE: Ok  
rnargi : 11/30/2022 9:32 pm : link
In comment 15927673 djm said:
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So since Stanton breaks down sometimes every 34 year does?

Yanks are damned if they do damned if they don’t. And most people can accept this and not condemn them for actually trying their best to re-sign a home grown, potential HOFer who is in his prime, and a unanimous fan favorite at that. But nope we’re gonna have a legion of fans who can’t wait to kill the yanks despite being boxed into a corner. They have no choice but hey if judge breaks down you can crush the yanks. Even though every single team with money would do the same fucking thing. And they wouldn’t be wrong. And maybe it’s right to let judge walk. But it ain’t that easy or simple without a crystal ball.

How can anyone fucking blame the yanks here?? Just let judge walk don’t even try, fuck it he’s replaceable? The city would riot.


It's similar to QB hell. Yanks have no choice. They've boxed themselves in and now have to spend their way out. It happens. AJ may indeed break down and it could be a prohibitive contract in several years based on value of the return. But they have to do it. I would do it, while kicking myself for not getting ot done last year. What makes me not like the deal is that we still have Donaldson, Hicks, Stanton, and other players stealing resources they need to build a supporting cast around Judge. It's not unfair to say keeping him doesn't move the needle wrt winning a championship. Unfortunately, the calculas is the same as last year if they keep him.
RE: RE: Ok  
terz22 : 11/30/2022 11:12 pm : link
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So since Stanton breaks down sometimes every 34 year does?

Yanks are damned if they do damned if they don’t. And most people can accept this and not condemn them for actually trying their best to re-sign a home grown, potential HOFer who is in his prime, and a unanimous fan favorite at that. But nope we’re gonna have a legion of fans who can’t wait to kill the yanks despite being boxed into a corner. They have no choice but hey if judge breaks down you can crush the yanks. Even though every single team with money would do the same fucking thing. And they wouldn’t be wrong. And maybe it’s right to let judge walk. But it ain’t that easy or simple without a crystal ball.

How can anyone fucking blame the yanks here?? Just let judge walk don’t even try, fuck it he’s replaceable? The city would riot.



It's similar to QB hell. Yanks have no choice. They've boxed themselves in and now have to spend their way out. It happens. AJ may indeed break down and it could be a prohibitive contract in several years based on value of the return. But they have to do it. I would do it, while kicking myself for not getting ot done last year. What makes me not like the deal is that we still have Donaldson, Hicks, Stanton, and other players stealing resources they need to build a supporting cast around Judge. It's not unfair to say keeping him doesn't move the needle wrt winning a championship. Unfortunately, the calculas is the same as last year if they keep him.


This. I've been staying time and time again that there maybe a possibility where judge walks and guys like Donaldson and Hicks are still on this team. Think about that...
RE: RE: It seems kind of weird that the Yankees leaked the terms  
sb from NYT Forum : 11/30/2022 11:46 pm : link
In comment 15927531 BigBlueShock said:
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...I think Judge's agent would be a little annoyed.


How do you know it was the Yanks that leaked this? They were talking earlier on the Kay Show and they made a good point, that this leak benefits Judge more than the Yanks. Judge and his agent need teams to know what numbers they need to beat.

Who really knows but the point is don’t automatically assume this leak came from the Yankees side this time


Because Cashman leaked their offer before the season.
RE: RE: Ok  
BH28 : 12/1/2022 12:41 am : link
In comment 15927682 rnargi said:
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So since Stanton breaks down sometimes every 34 year does?

Yanks are damned if they do damned if they don’t. And most people can accept this and not condemn them for actually trying their best to re-sign a home grown, potential HOFer who is in his prime, and a unanimous fan favorite at that. But nope we’re gonna have a legion of fans who can’t wait to kill the yanks despite being boxed into a corner. They have no choice but hey if judge breaks down you can crush the yanks. Even though every single team with money would do the same fucking thing. And they wouldn’t be wrong. And maybe it’s right to let judge walk. But it ain’t that easy or simple without a crystal ball.

How can anyone fucking blame the yanks here?? Just let judge walk don’t even try, fuck it he’s replaceable? The city would riot.



It's similar to QB hell. Yanks have no choice. They've boxed themselves in and now have to spend their way out. It happens. AJ may indeed break down and it could be a prohibitive contract in several years based on value of the return. But they have to do it. I would do it, while kicking myself for not getting ot done last year. What makes me not like the deal is that we still have Donaldson, Hicks, Stanton, and other players stealing resources they need to build a supporting cast around Judge. It's not unfair to say keeping him doesn't move the needle wrt winning a championship. Unfortunately, the calculas is the same as last year if they keep him.


They do have a choice. This isn't the NFL, the only resource contraints are the self imposed ones the Yankees decide to inexplicably enforce every year. They make more than enough money every year to spend whatever they want.

But they constantly engage in half measures which IMO is mostly hubris related that they can win without spending top dollar.

Re-signing Judge gets them back to where they were last year. They can eat a bunch of money to get rid of Hicks or Donaldson. They can maybe pay a little bit more in player capital to trade Torres plus for Pablo Lopez.

But re-signing Judge and then saying they are resource constrained is inexcusable, IMO. Otherwise the strategy is pray for health and hope the team gets hot in October, not July.
RE: RE: RE: It seems kind of weird that the Yankees leaked the terms  
section125 : 12/1/2022 5:02 am : link
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...I think Judge's agent would be a little annoyed.


How do you know it was the Yanks that leaked this? They were talking earlier on the Kay Show and they made a good point, that this leak benefits Judge more than the Yanks. Judge and his agent need teams to know what numbers they need to beat.

Who really knows but the point is don’t automatically assume this leak came from the Yankees side this time



Because Cashman leaked their offer before the season.


Does it benefit the Yanks or Judge more to leak the terms? Clearly it benefits Judge's position more and does nothing for the Yanks. Now Judge's agent can go to the Giants and Dodgers and say, beat this...plus, it is a bit of a retribution for last April's leak.
IMV
I HATE that these offers are public.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 12/1/2022 6:16 am : link
It seems like the Yanks are trying to cover their asses with the fans when it really doesn’t matter. They’re either going to have him or not and aside from a tiny contingent of people, no one really gives a shit what the terms are.

They need him back and there are no excuses for not getting it done.
RE: I HATE that these offers are public.  
section125 : 12/1/2022 6:37 am : link
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It seems like the Yanks are trying to cover their asses with the fans when it really doesn’t matter. They’re either going to have him or not and aside from a tiny contingent of people, no one really gives a shit what the terms are.

They need him back and there are no excuses for not getting it done.


It does not benefit the Yanks to leak that offer. Clearly SF and LA now know where they stand and Judge's agents can take that to the other teams.
RE: RE: I HATE that these offers are public.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 12/1/2022 7:26 am : link
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It seems like the Yanks are trying to cover their asses with the fans when it really doesn’t matter. They’re either going to have him or not and aside from a tiny contingent of people, no one really gives a shit what the terms are.

They need him back and there are no excuses for not getting it done.



It does not benefit the Yanks to leak that offer. Clearly SF and LA now know where they stand and Judge's agents can take that to the other teams.


Considering the stupidity of this same group publicizing their offer prior to the season, I don’t share your faith that they always do things that are in their best interest.
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section125 : 12/1/2022 7:33 am : link
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It seems like the Yanks are trying to cover their asses with the fans when it really doesn’t matter. They’re either going to have him or not and aside from a tiny contingent of people, no one really gives a shit what the terms are.

They need him back and there are no excuses for not getting it done.



It does not benefit the Yanks to leak that offer. Clearly SF and LA now know where they stand and Judge's agents can take that to the other teams.



Considering the stupidity of this same group publicizing their offer prior to the season, I don’t share your faith that they always do things that are in their best interest.


You could be right, but...

It does not help them.
So what if he walks,  
winoguy : 12/1/2022 9:34 am : link
wonderboy Cashman will find us another Jacoby Ellsbury to ease the pain.
I'm sorry, but LOL at comparing this to QB Hell....  
Kmed6000 : 12/1/2022 10:11 am : link
Nothing about Aaron Judge should be compared to hell. He just won a fucking MVP and hit 62 HR's while playing a GG caliber OF. It's like paying Peyton Manning or Tom Brady massive money at 33 years old.

Where is the evidence that Judge is going to "break down" in 3 years. Why do people talk about his body type not lasting. The guy is built like a greek god. Football players, NBA players, NHL players all play a way more physical sport and they play into their late 30's.

I certainly understand the argument about his 38+ years, but that's a long ways away.
RE: RE: It seems kind of weird that the Yankees leaked the terms  
rsjem1979 : 12/1/2022 10:13 am : link
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...I think Judge's agent would be a little annoyed.


How do you know it was the Yanks that leaked this? They were talking earlier on the Kay Show and they made a good point, that this leak benefits Judge more than the Yanks. Judge and his agent need teams to know what numbers they need to beat.

Who really knows but the point is don’t automatically assume this leak came from the Yankees side this time


Why would Judge's agent need the offer to leak to use it in negotiations with other teams?

Judge's agent knows the offer. He can tell literally every other team directly what they have from the Yankees as a starting point. Maybe they'll think he's bluffing or maybe they won't, but the fact that this reported offer is out there is irrelevant.

To me, there's only one side that benefits from having this information made public, and that's the Yankees. Of course, that's based on my own assumption that they are absolutely prepared for him to sign elsewhere, so having this offer "leaked" shows that they made their best effort but it wasn't enough.

Truly, I don't believe Hal wants to spend what it will cost to sign him. Maybe I'll be proven wrong.
RE: I'm sorry, but LOL at comparing this to QB Hell....  
rnargi : 12/1/2022 10:36 am : link
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Nothing about Aaron Judge should be compared to hell. He just won a fucking MVP and hit 62 HR's while playing a GG caliber OF. It's like paying Peyton Manning or Tom Brady massive money at 33 years old.

Where is the evidence that Judge is going to "break down" in 3 years. Why do people talk about his body type not lasting. The guy is built like a greek god. Football players, NBA players, NHL players all play a way more physical sport and they play into their late 30's.

I certainly understand the argument about his 38+ years, but that's a long ways away.


I didn't mean Judge, I meant the Yanks from a payroll perspective. They have a lot of money tied up in marginal/average players who will not help the team get over the top. Giving a huge contract to Judge is what I'd do, too. The problem as I see it is that they have little/no room to maneuver and build around him because of the other albatross contracts on the team. Here's hoping they can dump Donaldson, Hicks, and a few others to get there. That's my point.
RE: RE: I HATE that these offers are public.  
sb from NYT Forum : 12/1/2022 11:00 am : link
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It seems like the Yanks are trying to cover their asses with the fans when it really doesn’t matter. They’re either going to have him or not and aside from a tiny contingent of people, no one really gives a shit what the terms are.

They need him back and there are no excuses for not getting it done.



It does not benefit the Yanks to leak that offer. Clearly SF and LA now know where they stand and Judge's agents can take that to the other teams.


It does from a PR standpoint if they lose out. The same reason they went public with the offer during spring training. Not that hard to figure out really.
A lot of emotion in this thread  
arniefez : 12/1/2022 11:52 am : link
which points out that Aaron judge is a unique player and this free agency is a unique situation. The Yankees need Aaron Judge more than he needs them and IMO he should squeeze every nickel out of the Stein kids and the little weasel GM for life.

Let's deal with some facts.

There is no salary cap in baseball and the only real punishment of the Luxury Tax is financial for the owner. Because of that there are no bad baseball contracts just financial obligations for ownership.

Why the hell do any of you care how much profit the Stein kids make? What are they going to do raise prices even more? F them. Pay Judge more than any other team is willing to. Find the number he will sign for and get it done.
RE: RE: I'm sorry, but LOL at comparing this to QB Hell....  
Kmed6000 : 12/1/2022 11:56 am : link
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Nothing about Aaron Judge should be compared to hell. He just won a fucking MVP and hit 62 HR's while playing a GG caliber OF. It's like paying Peyton Manning or Tom Brady massive money at 33 years old.

Where is the evidence that Judge is going to "break down" in 3 years. Why do people talk about his body type not lasting. The guy is built like a greek god. Football players, NBA players, NHL players all play a way more physical sport and they play into their late 30's.

I certainly understand the argument about his 38+ years, but that's a long ways away.



I didn't mean Judge, I meant the Yanks from a payroll perspective. They have a lot of money tied up in marginal/average players who will not help the team get over the top. Giving a huge contract to Judge is what I'd do, too. The problem as I see it is that they have little/no room to maneuver and build around him because of the other albatross contracts on the team. Here's hoping they can dump Donaldson, Hicks, and a few others to get there. That's my point.


Yeah but neither of those are albatross contracts. Donaldson has 1 year left. Hicks has 3-30 left. Neither of those should prevent us from doing anything. Now Stanton's and Coles contracts are significant, but they have the ability to live up to them.
You know what else is being overlooked?  
Kmed6000 : 12/1/2022 11:59 am : link
Everyone is saying the Yankees can't keep status quo because Houston is better is forgetting that Houston may lose Verlander. That knocks them down significantly. You are talking about possibly the most important player on that team. If they lose Verlander and the Yankees bring back almost the same team, are they the best team in the AL?
Let another team pay a 40 year old 40 million  
Spiciest Memelord : 12/1/2022 12:08 pm : link
and laugh.
RE: A lot of emotion in this thread  
section125 : 12/1/2022 12:42 pm : link
In comment 15928004 arniefez said:
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which points out that Aaron judge is a unique player and this free agency is a unique situation. The Yankees need Aaron Judge more than he needs them and IMO he should squeeze every nickel out of the Stein kids and the little weasel GM for life.

Let's deal with some facts.

There is no salary cap in baseball and the only real punishment of the Luxury Tax is financial for the owner. Because of that there are no bad baseball contracts just financial obligations for ownership.

Why the hell do any of you care how much profit the Stein kids make? What are they going to do raise prices even more? F them. Pay Judge more than any other team is willing to. Find the number he will sign for and get it done.


Because the luxury tax goes to teams that do little to help themselves and sometimes the owners pocket that money instead of acquiring players to improve the team they own. Luxury tax helped the Diamondbacks pay for players that beat the Yanks in 2001.
How much money the owners make, doesn't concern me.
Probably the Yanks could support a $500 mill payroll as could the Dodgers and Mets. Boston would be close.
RE: Let another team pay a 40 year old 40 million  
wigs in nyc : 12/1/2022 12:47 pm : link
In comment 15928037 Spiciest Memelord said:
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and laugh.


"Ha, in eight years this won't be good value for a single year! So let's forsake the next five to six solid bet years for a top-3 player in the sport!" Good stuff.
RE: You know what else is being overlooked?  
section125 : 12/1/2022 1:00 pm : link
In comment 15928021 Kmed6000 said:
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Everyone is saying the Yankees can't keep status quo because Houston is better is forgetting that Houston may lose Verlander. That knocks them down significantly. You are talking about possibly the most important player on that team. If they lose Verlander and the Yankees bring back almost the same team, are they the best team in the AL?


No, Houston is still better. However, should the Yankees signer Verlander, that would help. But the Yankees still need to hit more consistently.
So what's Cash's latest theory in team building this year?  
HomerJones45 : 12/1/2022 1:28 pm : link
He fucked this up 2 or 3 years ago. He had a chance at a long term deal as the Angels did with Trout and buy out arbitration years. He waited for arbitration, then made an offer, was told to F himself and now he has to pay through the nose. There's no crying in baseball, and that is the way he chose to play it. Write the check Cash and swallow the long term deal.

Of course the Yankees leaked the number. Judge's agent would be the one talking directly to other teams, and he could just tell them what was on the table. The agent didn't need to leak anything.

Cash is so ordinary. Meanwhile a Dombrowski gets every team he takes over to the WS. SMH.
RE: RE: You know what else is being overlooked?  
Kmed6000 : 12/1/2022 1:33 pm : link
In comment 15928079 section125 said:
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Everyone is saying the Yankees can't keep status quo because Houston is better is forgetting that Houston may lose Verlander. That knocks them down significantly. You are talking about possibly the most important player on that team. If they lose Verlander and the Yankees bring back almost the same team, are they the best team in the AL?



No, Houston is still better. However, should the Yankees signer Verlander, that would help. But the Yankees still need to hit more consistently.


How so? Take Verlander off the Astros and the staff takes a massive hit.
RE: RE: RE: You know what else is being overlooked?  
section125 : 12/1/2022 1:35 pm : link
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Everyone is saying the Yankees can't keep status quo because Houston is better is forgetting that Houston may lose Verlander. That knocks them down significantly. You are talking about possibly the most important player on that team. If they lose Verlander and the Yankees bring back almost the same team, are they the best team in the AL?



No, Houston is still better. However, should the Yankees signer Verlander, that would help. But the Yankees still need to hit more consistently.



How so? Take Verlander off the Astros and the staff takes a massive hit.


Houston can still hit and they hit lot better than the Yanks. Yankees starting pitching was pretty decent, bull pen was spent.
Verlander had a great regular season but he was bombed  
shyster : 12/1/2022 1:37 pm : link
in two of his four postseason starts. And the Yanks let him off the hook when he was not sharp because they had so many auto outs in the lineup.

It was the young starters that the Astros have locked up that carried them through the post-season. They have four of those, plus they have McCullers coming back after missing most of last season.

At that's not even getting started on their farm system or what they might do in FA.

Verlander leaving won't make that much of a dent.

RE: Verlander had a great regular season but he was bombed  
Victor in CT : 12/1/2022 2:34 pm : link
In comment 15928123 shyster said:
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in two of his four postseason starts. And the Yanks let him off the hook when he was not sharp because they had so many auto outs in the lineup.

It was the young starters that the Astros have locked up that carried them through the post-season. They have four of those, plus they have McCullers coming back after missing most of last season.

At that's not even getting started on their farm system or what they might do in FA.

Verlander leaving won't make that much of a dent.


Agreed. Just like they didn't miss Correa. They have replacements in the pipeline and unlike the Yankees are willing to play them.
section125  
arniefez : 12/1/2022 3:16 pm : link
Let's talk about 2023. The tax penalty is tip money for the Yankees. They'll be paying IFK and Donaldson more more in 2023 than their tax bill.

Anyone who thinks the Yankees have to worry about what they pay Aaron Judge - who is the only reason to buy a ticket to Yankee Stadium and pay the ridiculous prices they charge - because they won't have any money left to pay other players is clueless, brainwashed by Hal and Cashman crying about budgets and banks or has Stockholm Syndrome.

If Hal is going to keep Cashman until one of them dies stop worrying about the Yankees payroll. Stop letting Hal off the hook. He never wanted this job he doesn't like or watch baseball. Yankees are his families ATM and we are the suckers filling it up.

Here's a radical idea: Deal Cole to the Mets and sign Judge  
Ron from Ninerland : 12/1/2022 3:51 pm : link
Offer Judge $40 mil x 7 or 8. Why do this ?

1. This team is toast if Judge walks. Not only will they be losing the best offensive player in baseball, even if they replace him with Bogarts and God knows who they'll be playing in front a half empty stadium. Losing Judge now would be like losing Mantle in the 1950's or Dimaggio in the 1940's. It simply can't be allowed to happen.

2. Cole is the biggest financial albatross the Yankees have now, but the Mets are the one team that might take him. Right now they may think Cole is a better option than throwing a boatload of money at a declining DeGrom. They're also faced with losing Bassit and Scherzer's arm is about to fall off.

3. Even without Cole they still have Nestor, Sevy, German and Montas. They're in a better position to keep Tallion with Cole gone and they still have Gil and perhaps Garcia.
RE: Here's a radical idea: Deal Cole to the Mets and sign Judge  
Matt M. : 12/1/2022 3:54 pm : link
In comment 15928242 Ron from Ninerland said:
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Offer Judge $40 mil x 7 or 8. Why do this ?

1. This team is toast if Judge walks. Not only will they be losing the best offensive player in baseball, even if they replace him with Bogarts and God knows who they'll be playing in front a half empty stadium. Losing Judge now would be like losing Mantle in the 1950's or Dimaggio in the 1940's. It simply can't be allowed to happen.

2. Cole is the biggest financial albatross the Yankees have now, but the Mets are the one team that might take him. Right now they may think Cole is a better option than throwing a boatload of money at a declining DeGrom. They're also faced with losing Bassit and Scherzer's arm is about to fall off.

3. Even without Cole they still have Nestor, Sevy, German and Montas. They're in a better position to keep Tallion with Cole gone and they still have Gil and perhaps Garcia.
While I agree they basically have no choice but to try to re-sign him in earnest, I disagree strongly that if they don't the Stadium will be half empty. That's not happening any time soon and especially not overnight.
RE: RE: Here's a radical idea: Deal Cole to the Mets and sign Judge  
Ron from Ninerland : 12/1/2022 4:04 pm : link
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Offer Judge $40 mil x 7 or 8. Why do this ?

1. This team is toast if Judge walks. Not only will they be losing the best offensive player in baseball, even if they replace him with Bogarts and God knows who they'll be playing in front a half empty stadium. Losing Judge now would be like losing Mantle in the 1950's or Dimaggio in the 1940's. It simply can't be allowed to happen.

2. Cole is the biggest financial albatross the Yankees have now, but the Mets are the one team that might take him. Right now they may think Cole is a better option than throwing a boatload of money at a declining DeGrom. They're also faced with losing Bassit and Scherzer's arm is about to fall off.

3. Even without Cole they still have Nestor, Sevy, German and Montas. They're in a better position to keep Tallion with Cole gone and they still have Gil and perhaps Garcia.

While I agree they basically have no choice but to try to re-sign him in earnest, I disagree strongly that if they don't the Stadium will be half empty. That's not happening any time soon and especially not overnight.
If he signs with the Giants, he'll be at Yankee stadium on opening day in a Giants uniform. The very thought gives me a wave of nausea. I'm sure I'm not alone. How do you think that's going to affect season ticket sales ?If by some miracle they manage a 100 win pace, perhaps all will be forgiven. Anything less, the stadium will look like it did during the Mike Burke era.
RE: section125  
section125 : 12/1/2022 4:07 pm : link
In comment 15928206 arniefez said:
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Let's talk about 2023. The tax penalty is tip money for the Yankees. They'll be paying IFK and Donaldson more more in 2023 than their tax bill.

Anyone who thinks the Yankees have to worry about what they pay Aaron Judge - who is the only reason to buy a ticket to Yankee Stadium and pay the ridiculous prices they charge - because they won't have any money left to pay other players is clueless, brainwashed by Hal and Cashman crying about budgets and banks or has Stockholm Syndrome.

If Hal is going to keep Cashman until one of them dies stop worrying about the Yankees payroll. Stop letting Hal off the hook. He never wanted this job he doesn't like or watch baseball. Yankees are his families ATM and we are the suckers filling it up.


How do you know what the tax will be? Let's see who they sign and for how much. They could and should re-sign Benintendi and go for Verlander (they won't because he'll want a Scherzer type deal.)
I agree in getting rid of Donaldson(and Hicks) but IKF is a good sub. I'd start Peraza at SS and bring up Volpe mid-year. I am not adverse to trading Torres while playing LeMahieu and Cabrera at 2nd.

You know, I used to want Cashman to be held accountable for  
Jim in Hoboken : 12/1/2022 8:31 pm : link
squandering all the money and resources at his disposal. But if Hal is content with results like theses while charging us 65$ to park, fuck it, let’s sign them all. Verlander, Turner, Rodon, bring them all in. Why let this good for nothing, silver spoon up his butt owner line his own pocket?
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