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According to Jeff Passan of ESPN, the Yankees have offered free agent outfielder Aaron Judge a contract "in the neighborhood of eight years and $300 million." 4 minutes ago Read More Passan adds that New York could increase their offer, depending on how far the Giants -- Judge's alternative primary suitor this offseason -- are willing to push his market. The Yankees' offer, which represents an average annual value of $37.5 million, would make Judge the highest paid position player in the game. The expectation is that Judge will make his final decision before the Winter Meetings conclude on December 7. At this point, it sounds like the Yankees and Giants are the clear frontrunners in the Judge sweepstakes. |
OK. That would mean Judge is no longer a great baseball player at the ripe old age of....33. That normally doesn't happen.
So much fear.
Oof imagine the forlorn hopelessness of being a Denver Broncos fan.
Not so much. If SF offered 320MM, then his choice says nothing about his desire to stay in NY.
I have a hunch, Cashman's words a couple of weeks ago that money (his emphasis) will not be the reason Judge would not be a Yankee next year was just bs. In his and Hal's minds, this is a fair offer that any fan would view as such and thus think if he turns down something like this, they did all they could.
How do you know it was the Yanks that leaked this? They were talking earlier on the Kay Show and they made a good point, that this leak benefits Judge more than the Yanks. Judge and his agent need teams to know what numbers they need to beat.
Who really knows but the point is don’t automatically assume this leak came from the Yankees side this time
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You guys are fun. And I really think you’re wrong.
Speaking of disasters, look at this roster if you let him walk. If you don’t break the bank for Judge you don’t donit for anyone. Nearly unanimous MVP season, 31yo, gold glove, perfect homegrown captain character. Buncha debby-downers out there.
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You guys are fun. And I really think you’re wrong.
Speaking of disasters, look at this roster if you let him walk. If you don’t break the bank for Judge you don’t donit for anyone. Nearly unanimous MVP season, 31yo, gold glove, perfect homegrown captain character. Buncha debby-downers out there.
Meh. They can continue to not make it to the World Series with or without him.
There is literally no one else on the roster whom you can say will be here in 5 years and be a foundation of the organization. Cole will be what 37? The only one person with the potential was passed over in the playoffs for someone liked IKF.
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mark my words.
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You guys are fun. And I really think you’re wrong.
Speaking of disasters, look at this roster if you let him walk. If you don’t break the bank for Judge you don’t donit for anyone. Nearly unanimous MVP season, 31yo, gold glove, perfect homegrown captain character. Buncha debby-downers out there.
Meh. They can continue to not make it to the World Series with or without him.
You are so laughably fucking entitled. “Wha! My favorite team that has won more championships than any franchise in the history of American sports hasn’t won in a long time! Whaaaaaa!!”
Stop your damn whining. It’s embarrassing as hell
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mark my words.
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You guys are fun. And I really think you’re wrong.
Speaking of disasters, look at this roster if you let him walk. If you don’t break the bank for Judge you don’t donit for anyone. Nearly unanimous MVP season, 31yo, gold glove, perfect homegrown captain character. Buncha debby-downers out there.
Meh. They can continue to not make it to the World Series with or without him.
You are so laughably fucking entitled. “Wha! My favorite team that has won more championships than any franchise in the history of American sports hasn’t won in a long time! Whaaaaaa!!”
Stop your damn whining. It’s embarrassing as hell
Are you okay? Like...mentally and emotionally? Re-read my post, and then read the psychotic temper-tantrum that you responded with, and that you're well-known on here for.
Calm down, psycho.
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mark my words.
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You guys are fun. And I really think you’re wrong.
Speaking of disasters, look at this roster if you let him walk. If you don’t break the bank for Judge you don’t donit for anyone. Nearly unanimous MVP season, 31yo, gold glove, perfect homegrown captain character. Buncha debby-downers out there.
Meh. They can continue to not make it to the World Series with or without him.
You are so laughably fucking entitled. “Wha! My favorite team that has won more championships than any franchise in the history of American sports hasn’t won in a long time! Whaaaaaa!!”
Stop your damn whining. It’s embarrassing as hell
Are you okay? Like...mentally and emotionally? Re-read my post, and then read the psychotic temper-tantrum that you responded with, and that you're well-known on here for.
Calm down, psycho.
All you’ve done is whine since the season ended. Every single Yankees thread. Whine, whine, whine. This post was just another self pity post. “Boo hoo, they didn’t win a WS with Judge yet, so who cares if he comes back! “. You sound pathetic. Nice try deflecting though…
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mark my words.
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You guys are fun. And I really think you’re wrong.
Speaking of disasters, look at this roster if you let him walk. If you don’t break the bank for Judge you don’t donit for anyone. Nearly unanimous MVP season, 31yo, gold glove, perfect homegrown captain character. Buncha debby-downers out there.
Meh. They can continue to not make it to the World Series with or without him.
You are so laughably fucking entitled. “Wha! My favorite team that has won more championships than any franchise in the history of American sports hasn’t won in a long time! Whaaaaaa!!”
Stop your damn whining. It’s embarrassing as hell
What the fuck is wrong with you? Fuck you and your bullshit "entitled" nonsense. Yeah they have 27 championships. Its not entitlement,you dolt. Its expectations. Do you do your job just hoping to get through the day and collect a paycheck? Or are you expected by your employer to perform at a high level....all the time? Sounds to me that you're the entitled fuckwad. You're the shitbag that's whining here, big boy
...good thing you're not cursed with self-awareness or you'd know where the embarrassment truly lies.
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OK. That would mean Judge is no longer a great baseball player at the ripe old age of....33. That normally doesn't happen.
So much fear.
Actually, 34. And FYI, Stanton just turned 33.
Yanks are damned if they do damned if they don’t. And most people can accept this and not condemn them for actually trying their best to re-sign a home grown, potential HOFer who is in his prime, and a unanimous fan favorite at that. But nope we’re gonna have a legion of fans who can’t wait to kill the yanks despite being boxed into a corner. They have no choice but hey if judge breaks down you can crush the yanks. Even though every single team with money would do the same fucking thing. And they wouldn’t be wrong. And maybe it’s right to let judge walk. But it ain’t that easy or simple without a crystal ball.
How can anyone fucking blame the yanks here?? Just let judge walk don’t even try, fuck it he’s replaceable? The city would riot.
Yanks are damned if they do damned if they don’t. And most people can accept this and not condemn them for actually trying their best to re-sign a home grown, potential HOFer who is in his prime, and a unanimous fan favorite at that. But nope we’re gonna have a legion of fans who can’t wait to kill the yanks despite being boxed into a corner. They have no choice but hey if judge breaks down you can crush the yanks. Even though every single team with money would do the same fucking thing. And they wouldn’t be wrong. And maybe it’s right to let judge walk. But it ain’t that easy or simple without a crystal ball.
How can anyone fucking blame the yanks here?? Just let judge walk don’t even try, fuck it he’s replaceable? The city would riot.
I am not worried about Judge breaking down for the next 5/6 years. One look at him and you can tell he maintains his body and he has pride.
Nobody likes having a 38 year old on the roster, but there is nothing that can be done in this era - you either pay or he walks. The face of the team should never walk.
Yanks are damned if they do damned if they don’t. And most people can accept this and not condemn them for actually trying their best to re-sign a home grown, potential HOFer who is in his prime, and a unanimous fan favorite at that. But nope we’re gonna have a legion of fans who can’t wait to kill the yanks despite being boxed into a corner. They have no choice but hey if judge breaks down you can crush the yanks. Even though every single team with money would do the same fucking thing. And they wouldn’t be wrong. And maybe it’s right to let judge walk. But it ain’t that easy or simple without a crystal ball.
How can anyone fucking blame the yanks here?? Just let judge walk don’t even try, fuck it he’s replaceable? The city would riot.
It's similar to QB hell. Yanks have no choice. They've boxed themselves in and now have to spend their way out. It happens. AJ may indeed break down and it could be a prohibitive contract in several years based on value of the return. But they have to do it. I would do it, while kicking myself for not getting ot done last year. What makes me not like the deal is that we still have Donaldson, Hicks, Stanton, and other players stealing resources they need to build a supporting cast around Judge. It's not unfair to say keeping him doesn't move the needle wrt winning a championship. Unfortunately, the calculas is the same as last year if they keep him.
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So since Stanton breaks down sometimes every 34 year does?
Yanks are damned if they do damned if they don’t. And most people can accept this and not condemn them for actually trying their best to re-sign a home grown, potential HOFer who is in his prime, and a unanimous fan favorite at that. But nope we’re gonna have a legion of fans who can’t wait to kill the yanks despite being boxed into a corner. They have no choice but hey if judge breaks down you can crush the yanks. Even though every single team with money would do the same fucking thing. And they wouldn’t be wrong. And maybe it’s right to let judge walk. But it ain’t that easy or simple without a crystal ball.
How can anyone fucking blame the yanks here?? Just let judge walk don’t even try, fuck it he’s replaceable? The city would riot.
It's similar to QB hell. Yanks have no choice. They've boxed themselves in and now have to spend their way out. It happens. AJ may indeed break down and it could be a prohibitive contract in several years based on value of the return. But they have to do it. I would do it, while kicking myself for not getting ot done last year. What makes me not like the deal is that we still have Donaldson, Hicks, Stanton, and other players stealing resources they need to build a supporting cast around Judge. It's not unfair to say keeping him doesn't move the needle wrt winning a championship. Unfortunately, the calculas is the same as last year if they keep him.
This. I've been staying time and time again that there maybe a possibility where judge walks and guys like Donaldson and Hicks are still on this team. Think about that...
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...I think Judge's agent would be a little annoyed.
How do you know it was the Yanks that leaked this? They were talking earlier on the Kay Show and they made a good point, that this leak benefits Judge more than the Yanks. Judge and his agent need teams to know what numbers they need to beat.
Who really knows but the point is don’t automatically assume this leak came from the Yankees side this time
Because Cashman leaked their offer before the season.
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So since Stanton breaks down sometimes every 34 year does?
Yanks are damned if they do damned if they don’t. And most people can accept this and not condemn them for actually trying their best to re-sign a home grown, potential HOFer who is in his prime, and a unanimous fan favorite at that. But nope we’re gonna have a legion of fans who can’t wait to kill the yanks despite being boxed into a corner. They have no choice but hey if judge breaks down you can crush the yanks. Even though every single team with money would do the same fucking thing. And they wouldn’t be wrong. And maybe it’s right to let judge walk. But it ain’t that easy or simple without a crystal ball.
How can anyone fucking blame the yanks here?? Just let judge walk don’t even try, fuck it he’s replaceable? The city would riot.
It's similar to QB hell. Yanks have no choice. They've boxed themselves in and now have to spend their way out. It happens. AJ may indeed break down and it could be a prohibitive contract in several years based on value of the return. But they have to do it. I would do it, while kicking myself for not getting ot done last year. What makes me not like the deal is that we still have Donaldson, Hicks, Stanton, and other players stealing resources they need to build a supporting cast around Judge. It's not unfair to say keeping him doesn't move the needle wrt winning a championship. Unfortunately, the calculas is the same as last year if they keep him.
They do have a choice. This isn't the NFL, the only resource contraints are the self imposed ones the Yankees decide to inexplicably enforce every year. They make more than enough money every year to spend whatever they want.
But they constantly engage in half measures which IMO is mostly hubris related that they can win without spending top dollar.
Re-signing Judge gets them back to where they were last year. They can eat a bunch of money to get rid of Hicks or Donaldson. They can maybe pay a little bit more in player capital to trade Torres plus for Pablo Lopez.
But re-signing Judge and then saying they are resource constrained is inexcusable, IMO. Otherwise the strategy is pray for health and hope the team gets hot in October, not July.
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...I think Judge's agent would be a little annoyed.
How do you know it was the Yanks that leaked this? They were talking earlier on the Kay Show and they made a good point, that this leak benefits Judge more than the Yanks. Judge and his agent need teams to know what numbers they need to beat.
Who really knows but the point is don’t automatically assume this leak came from the Yankees side this time
Because Cashman leaked their offer before the season.
Does it benefit the Yanks or Judge more to leak the terms? Clearly it benefits Judge's position more and does nothing for the Yanks. Now Judge's agent can go to the Giants and Dodgers and say, beat this...plus, it is a bit of a retribution for last April's leak.
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They need him back and there are no excuses for not getting it done.
They need him back and there are no excuses for not getting it done.
It does not benefit the Yanks to leak that offer. Clearly SF and LA now know where they stand and Judge's agents can take that to the other teams.
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It seems like the Yanks are trying to cover their asses with the fans when it really doesn’t matter. They’re either going to have him or not and aside from a tiny contingent of people, no one really gives a shit what the terms are.
They need him back and there are no excuses for not getting it done.
It does not benefit the Yanks to leak that offer. Clearly SF and LA now know where they stand and Judge's agents can take that to the other teams.
Considering the stupidity of this same group publicizing their offer prior to the season, I don’t share your faith that they always do things that are in their best interest.
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It seems like the Yanks are trying to cover their asses with the fans when it really doesn’t matter. They’re either going to have him or not and aside from a tiny contingent of people, no one really gives a shit what the terms are.
They need him back and there are no excuses for not getting it done.
It does not benefit the Yanks to leak that offer. Clearly SF and LA now know where they stand and Judge's agents can take that to the other teams.
Considering the stupidity of this same group publicizing their offer prior to the season, I don’t share your faith that they always do things that are in their best interest.
You could be right, but...
It does not help them.
Where is the evidence that Judge is going to "break down" in 3 years. Why do people talk about his body type not lasting. The guy is built like a greek god. Football players, NBA players, NHL players all play a way more physical sport and they play into their late 30's.
I certainly understand the argument about his 38+ years, but that's a long ways away.
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...I think Judge's agent would be a little annoyed.
How do you know it was the Yanks that leaked this? They were talking earlier on the Kay Show and they made a good point, that this leak benefits Judge more than the Yanks. Judge and his agent need teams to know what numbers they need to beat.
Who really knows but the point is don’t automatically assume this leak came from the Yankees side this time
Why would Judge's agent need the offer to leak to use it in negotiations with other teams?
Judge's agent knows the offer. He can tell literally every other team directly what they have from the Yankees as a starting point. Maybe they'll think he's bluffing or maybe they won't, but the fact that this reported offer is out there is irrelevant.
To me, there's only one side that benefits from having this information made public, and that's the Yankees. Of course, that's based on my own assumption that they are absolutely prepared for him to sign elsewhere, so having this offer "leaked" shows that they made their best effort but it wasn't enough.
Truly, I don't believe Hal wants to spend what it will cost to sign him. Maybe I'll be proven wrong.
Where is the evidence that Judge is going to "break down" in 3 years. Why do people talk about his body type not lasting. The guy is built like a greek god. Football players, NBA players, NHL players all play a way more physical sport and they play into their late 30's.
I certainly understand the argument about his 38+ years, but that's a long ways away.
I didn't mean Judge, I meant the Yanks from a payroll perspective. They have a lot of money tied up in marginal/average players who will not help the team get over the top. Giving a huge contract to Judge is what I'd do, too. The problem as I see it is that they have little/no room to maneuver and build around him because of the other albatross contracts on the team. Here's hoping they can dump Donaldson, Hicks, and a few others to get there. That's my point.
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It seems like the Yanks are trying to cover their asses with the fans when it really doesn’t matter. They’re either going to have him or not and aside from a tiny contingent of people, no one really gives a shit what the terms are.
They need him back and there are no excuses for not getting it done.
It does not benefit the Yanks to leak that offer. Clearly SF and LA now know where they stand and Judge's agents can take that to the other teams.
It does from a PR standpoint if they lose out. The same reason they went public with the offer during spring training. Not that hard to figure out really.
Let's deal with some facts.
There is no salary cap in baseball and the only real punishment of the Luxury Tax is financial for the owner. Because of that there are no bad baseball contracts just financial obligations for ownership.
Why the hell do any of you care how much profit the Stein kids make? What are they going to do raise prices even more? F them. Pay Judge more than any other team is willing to. Find the number he will sign for and get it done.
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Nothing about Aaron Judge should be compared to hell. He just won a fucking MVP and hit 62 HR's while playing a GG caliber OF. It's like paying Peyton Manning or Tom Brady massive money at 33 years old.
Where is the evidence that Judge is going to "break down" in 3 years. Why do people talk about his body type not lasting. The guy is built like a greek god. Football players, NBA players, NHL players all play a way more physical sport and they play into their late 30's.
I certainly understand the argument about his 38+ years, but that's a long ways away.
I didn't mean Judge, I meant the Yanks from a payroll perspective. They have a lot of money tied up in marginal/average players who will not help the team get over the top. Giving a huge contract to Judge is what I'd do, too. The problem as I see it is that they have little/no room to maneuver and build around him because of the other albatross contracts on the team. Here's hoping they can dump Donaldson, Hicks, and a few others to get there. That's my point.
Yeah but neither of those are albatross contracts. Donaldson has 1 year left. Hicks has 3-30 left. Neither of those should prevent us from doing anything. Now Stanton's and Coles contracts are significant, but they have the ability to live up to them.
Let's deal with some facts.
There is no salary cap in baseball and the only real punishment of the Luxury Tax is financial for the owner. Because of that there are no bad baseball contracts just financial obligations for ownership.
Why the hell do any of you care how much profit the Stein kids make? What are they going to do raise prices even more? F them. Pay Judge more than any other team is willing to. Find the number he will sign for and get it done.
Because the luxury tax goes to teams that do little to help themselves and sometimes the owners pocket that money instead of acquiring players to improve the team they own. Luxury tax helped the Diamondbacks pay for players that beat the Yanks in 2001.
How much money the owners make, doesn't concern me.
Probably the Yanks could support a $500 mill payroll as could the Dodgers and Mets. Boston would be close.
"Ha, in eight years this won't be good value for a single year! So let's forsake the next five to six solid bet years for a top-3 player in the sport!" Good stuff.
No, Houston is still better. However, should the Yankees signer Verlander, that would help. But the Yankees still need to hit more consistently.
Of course the Yankees leaked the number. Judge's agent would be the one talking directly to other teams, and he could just tell them what was on the table. The agent didn't need to leak anything.
Cash is so ordinary. Meanwhile a Dombrowski gets every team he takes over to the WS. SMH.
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Everyone is saying the Yankees can't keep status quo because Houston is better is forgetting that Houston may lose Verlander. That knocks them down significantly. You are talking about possibly the most important player on that team. If they lose Verlander and the Yankees bring back almost the same team, are they the best team in the AL?
No, Houston is still better. However, should the Yankees signer Verlander, that would help. But the Yankees still need to hit more consistently.
How so? Take Verlander off the Astros and the staff takes a massive hit.
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Everyone is saying the Yankees can't keep status quo because Houston is better is forgetting that Houston may lose Verlander. That knocks them down significantly. You are talking about possibly the most important player on that team. If they lose Verlander and the Yankees bring back almost the same team, are they the best team in the AL?
No, Houston is still better. However, should the Yankees signer Verlander, that would help. But the Yankees still need to hit more consistently.
How so? Take Verlander off the Astros and the staff takes a massive hit.
Houston can still hit and they hit lot better than the Yanks. Yankees starting pitching was pretty decent, bull pen was spent.
It was the young starters that the Astros have locked up that carried them through the post-season. They have four of those, plus they have McCullers coming back after missing most of last season.
At that's not even getting started on their farm system or what they might do in FA.
Verlander leaving won't make that much of a dent.
It was the young starters that the Astros have locked up that carried them through the post-season. They have four of those, plus they have McCullers coming back after missing most of last season.
At that's not even getting started on their farm system or what they might do in FA.
Verlander leaving won't make that much of a dent.
Agreed. Just like they didn't miss Correa. They have replacements in the pipeline and unlike the Yankees are willing to play them.
Anyone who thinks the Yankees have to worry about what they pay Aaron Judge - who is the only reason to buy a ticket to Yankee Stadium and pay the ridiculous prices they charge - because they won't have any money left to pay other players is clueless, brainwashed by Hal and Cashman crying about budgets and banks or has Stockholm Syndrome.
If Hal is going to keep Cashman until one of them dies stop worrying about the Yankees payroll. Stop letting Hal off the hook. He never wanted this job he doesn't like or watch baseball. Yankees are his families ATM and we are the suckers filling it up.
1. This team is toast if Judge walks. Not only will they be losing the best offensive player in baseball, even if they replace him with Bogarts and God knows who they'll be playing in front a half empty stadium. Losing Judge now would be like losing Mantle in the 1950's or Dimaggio in the 1940's. It simply can't be allowed to happen.
2. Cole is the biggest financial albatross the Yankees have now, but the Mets are the one team that might take him. Right now they may think Cole is a better option than throwing a boatload of money at a declining DeGrom. They're also faced with losing Bassit and Scherzer's arm is about to fall off.
3. Even without Cole they still have Nestor, Sevy, German and Montas. They're in a better position to keep Tallion with Cole gone and they still have Gil and perhaps Garcia.
1. This team is toast if Judge walks. Not only will they be losing the best offensive player in baseball, even if they replace him with Bogarts and God knows who they'll be playing in front a half empty stadium. Losing Judge now would be like losing Mantle in the 1950's or Dimaggio in the 1940's. It simply can't be allowed to happen.
2. Cole is the biggest financial albatross the Yankees have now, but the Mets are the one team that might take him. Right now they may think Cole is a better option than throwing a boatload of money at a declining DeGrom. They're also faced with losing Bassit and Scherzer's arm is about to fall off.
3. Even without Cole they still have Nestor, Sevy, German and Montas. They're in a better position to keep Tallion with Cole gone and they still have Gil and perhaps Garcia.
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Offer Judge $40 mil x 7 or 8. Why do this ?
1. This team is toast if Judge walks. Not only will they be losing the best offensive player in baseball, even if they replace him with Bogarts and God knows who they'll be playing in front a half empty stadium. Losing Judge now would be like losing Mantle in the 1950's or Dimaggio in the 1940's. It simply can't be allowed to happen.
2. Cole is the biggest financial albatross the Yankees have now, but the Mets are the one team that might take him. Right now they may think Cole is a better option than throwing a boatload of money at a declining DeGrom. They're also faced with losing Bassit and Scherzer's arm is about to fall off.
3. Even without Cole they still have Nestor, Sevy, German and Montas. They're in a better position to keep Tallion with Cole gone and they still have Gil and perhaps Garcia.
While I agree they basically have no choice but to try to re-sign him in earnest, I disagree strongly that if they don't the Stadium will be half empty. That's not happening any time soon and especially not overnight.
Anyone who thinks the Yankees have to worry about what they pay Aaron Judge - who is the only reason to buy a ticket to Yankee Stadium and pay the ridiculous prices they charge - because they won't have any money left to pay other players is clueless, brainwashed by Hal and Cashman crying about budgets and banks or has Stockholm Syndrome.
If Hal is going to keep Cashman until one of them dies stop worrying about the Yankees payroll. Stop letting Hal off the hook. He never wanted this job he doesn't like or watch baseball. Yankees are his families ATM and we are the suckers filling it up.
How do you know what the tax will be? Let's see who they sign and for how much. They could and should re-sign Benintendi and go for Verlander (they won't because he'll want a Scherzer type deal.)
I agree in getting rid of Donaldson(and Hicks) but IKF is a good sub. I'd start Peraza at SS and bring up Volpe mid-year. I am not adverse to trading Torres while playing LeMahieu and Cabrera at 2nd.